Prince Harry

[baggygreen]

So, the debate appears over - hes not going to Iraq.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=95531

i particularly love the last couple of lines in the story.. that bloke must really lurve the media now

[Chock]

Yeah, he can content himself with the vital role of performing armed reconnaisance missions around Windsor now.

[August]

Dannatt said the widespread knowledge about Harry's impending deployment had contributed to his decision. "It is a fact that this close scrutiny has exacerbated the situation and this is something that I wish to avoid in the future" he said.


Good luck with that. The media would never allow it.

[TteFAboB]

:rotfl:
And the head of the British Army decided to remain silent untill now? Or did the press ignored him, pretended the matter would never reach his hands?

If I were Harry I'd ditch the Army then ditch Britain and go marry some hot Princess out there.

[baggygreen]

but arent they all related t-bob?:doh:

id probably not ditch the army, but ask permission to turn them onto everyone who wrote a story about where, when and how he was going to iraq!:rotfl:

[gnirtS]

Harry Hewitt, the latest waste of money from that inbred family.

He joined the armed forces. Amazingly, these people are expected to fight. Furthermore he joint a front line unit. Even more amazingly, these people get sent to fight (no matter how illegal/wrong the war is - they aren't paid to think).

So we have a soldier that has costs tens of thousands of pounds to change who has been deemed unfit to perform his job. Therefore he should immediately be dismissed from the Army. You cant have selective soldiers. Nobody elses son, daughter of relative gets that choice. They join up, they get sent where they're told.

There's an argument his unit is a higher profile target than normal due to him being there. OK if that's the case then it will ALWAYS be true no matter where they're sent. Therefore he increases the risk to every unit in any warzone he's connected to. If they deem that risk unacceptable as seems the case here then again, he isnt fit for purpose. He is incapable of performing the job he's been trained and paid to do.

So.. In short, He should either have been prevented JOINING the Army in the first place due to the increased risks to his unit or now someone has decided that is the case should immediately by dismissed from the Army.

The double standards and favouritism along with waste of tax payers money here is ridiculous. Its yet another waste of money from the inbred lunatics in their ivory tower.

[gnirtS]

If I were Harry I'd ditch the Army then ditch Britain and go marry some hot Princess out there.

Like the majority here i wish Harry Hewitt WOULD ditch Britain. And preferably take the rest of the inbred monstrously expensive family with him. We have no need for phil-the-greek and the other vegetables.

[bradclark1]

Not a surprise. I wounder what happens with him now as far as military service.

[Letum]

I'm sure he will find something else to do.....Won't he! (http://www.theonion.com/content/news/prince_william_fells_prince_willem)

Or....
http://www.b3tards.com/u/c61877337bd7c8bb7536/harry_yellow.jpg

[bookworm_020]

If he wanted to serve in the army, that means he should be sent. The fact that the media covered it and the the army let them get away with it, speaks loads about operational security.:nope:

[TteFAboB]

but arent they all related t-bob?:doh:

id probably not ditch the army, but ask permission to turn them onto everyone who wrote a story about where, when and how he was going to iraq!:rotfl:

Like the majority here i wish Harry Hewitt WOULD ditch Britain. And preferably take the rest of the inbred monstrously expensive family with him. We have no need for phil-the-greek and the other vegetables.

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

"Son, you aren't denied going to war to be with the Princess you want, you are denied going to war to be with the Princess you have!"

[lesrae]

If he goes then he's putting his fellow troops in danger, if he doesn't he's avoiding the danger - either way it's a field day for anti royalists.

It's been a media event, and at the end of the day there are a lot more important things they could be concentrating on.

[robbo180265]

The cynic in me would argue that the whole media circus revolving around Harry Hewitt, was calculated to keep him away from Iraq.;)

But then I hate the Royal family,a bunch of financial leeches who do nothing to earn the money that we have to pay for them.

[DanCanovas]

Harry Hewitt, the latest waste of money from that inbred family.

He joined the armed forces. Amazingly, these people are expected to fight. Furthermore he joint a front line unit. Even more amazingly, these people get sent to fight (no matter how illegal/wrong the war is - they aren't paid to think).

So we have a soldier that has costs tens of thousands of pounds to change who has been deemed unfit to perform his job. Therefore he should immediately be dismissed from the Army. You cant have selective soldiers. Nobody elses son, daughter of relative gets that choice. They join up, they get sent where they're told.

There's an argument his unit is a higher profile target than normal due to him being there. OK if that's the case then it will ALWAYS be true no matter where they're sent. Therefore he increases the risk to every unit in any warzone he's connected to. If they deem that risk unacceptable as seems the case here then again, he isnt fit for purpose. He is incapable of performing the job he's been trained and paid to do.

So.. In short, He should either have been prevented JOINING the Army in the first place due to the increased risks to his unit or now someone has decided that is the case should immediately by dismissed from the Army.

The double standards and favouritism along with waste of tax payers money here is ridiculous. Its yet another waste of money from the inbred lunatics in their ivory tower.

I find you highly offensive. INBRED LUNATICS. haha, thats rich coming from someone from Wales. I agree with what your saying about the job, but I don't appreciate the insulting of the family.

[Happy Times]

Ive got the feeling he really wants to go. They should send him in Helmland, thats were the real fighting is anyway.

[DanCanovas]

Ive got the feeling he really wants to go. They should send him in Helmland, thats were the real fighting is anyway.

he does really want to go.

[jumpy]

Aw bless, you have to feel sorry for him; he is afflicted with the 'ginger blight' after all :lol:



I'd say the press is largely to blame here, poking their collective nose in where it doesn't belong as usual. Where was all the fuss with prince Andrew flying helicopters in the Falklands business? I know there was some comment, but certainly not on the scale we seems to be seeing here.
Trouble is most 'news' papers would report by the hour on fresh paint drying if they thought it would sell more papers. It's not newsworthy, it's just dross. Unfortunately the great unwashed lap it up, seemingly without satiation.

[Chock]

I'm not a fan of the Royal family myself, and tend to think the French and the Russians had the right idea on what to do with your Royals.

But having said that, I do think that Hewitt Junior did appear genuine in his desire to go, which is only natural when he has been through training and such with his buddies in a military unit. Nevertheless, there is no doubt that his unit would be specifically targeted by every crackpot with an RPG and an agenda, if deployed.

And so deploying that unit in such a situation would not be tactically very smart of the British Army. I daresay Harry's unit buddies are glad about that.

What this illustrates more than anything is the stupidity of the MOD and Royal family in allowing Harry to go down that route in the first place. If they had encouraged him to join the Navy or the Air Force, he could still have served, but would have been in a position to serve where his 'celebrity' would not endanger the mission, as it's kind of tricky to tell who's in a Panavia Tornado up at 36,000 feet, or who is in that Sea King Helicopter on ASW patrol.

Prince Andrew was able to serve in the Falklands War under just such circumstances, and despite rumours to the contrary, was not steered away from his fair share of the workload. Similarly, Harry's dad (yeah right), Prince Chuck the Bonkers, was also able to serve (on a RN Minesweeper if memory serves me right).

Then again, coming to expect logical decisions from those in power in the UK is like trying to plait fog.

BTW, if you do think that the Royal family are inbred, then referring to Prince Harry as Harry Hewitt is kind of watering down your argument, don't you think?

[DanCanovas]

you make very good points Chock, I agree and think the Navy or RAF would have been a more sensible option.

[Skybird]

Reason finally leading to the best outcome.

To put a whole unit at significantly raised risks without any additional advantages as compensation for that is simply silly, and from a military perspective makes no sense.

He should have gone completely anonymous and without anyone reporting about it (which would have needed a huge coverup-story to explain his absence) - or the whole issue never should have been pushed this far.

[DAB]

I've always thought it was practice to pull soldiers off duties if their presence would be deemed to attract disproportionate attacks on a unit. If there is a specific threat, then surely they have just followed proceedure.

Saying that, is there a specific threat?


I find you highly offensive. INBRED LUNATICS. haha, thats rich coming from someone from Wales.

Be careful there. You may have found what was said insulting, but stereotyping a whole nation is out of order as well

[DanCanovas]

I've always thought it was practice to pull soldiers off duties if their presence would be deemed to attract disproportionate attacks on a unit. If there is a specific threat, then surely they have just followed proceedure.

Saying that, is there a specific threat?


I find you highly offensive. INBRED LUNATICS. haha, thats rich coming from someone from Wales.

Be careful there. You may have found what was said insulting, but stereotyping a whole nation is out of order as well

fighting fire with fire mate....incidentally! i went to Uni in Aber? how is it over there haha!

[Jimbuna]

I wonder how many greiving parents and partners there are in the UK who wish they're sadly departed loved ones might have been given the same consideration prior to their final posting :hmm:

[DanCanovas]

I wonder how many greiving parents and partners there are in the UK who wish they're sadly departed loved ones might have been given the same consideration prior to their final posting :hmm:

thats true Jim. My best friend rang me every day from Basra and his mum rang me everyday. I know what they go through and its not nice. I wouldn't want to be in Harry's unit though if he was coming with us.

[Jimbuna]

I wonder how many greiving parents and partners there are in the UK who wish they're sadly departed loved ones might have been given the same consideration prior to their final posting :hmm:

thats true Jim. My best friend rang me every day from Basra and his mum rang me everyday. I know what they go through and its not nice. I wouldn't want to be in Harry's unit though if he was coming with us.

Similar experience here Dan :yep:
I know one mum who had to send a descent pair of boots out to her son serving in Afghanistan :nope:

[Chock]

Considering that Prince Harry's unit specialisation is reconaissance, it does seem rather ironic that the commanders of his unit didn't spot this one coming.

The really stupid thing is...

Anyone who signs on the dotted line for military service, should be aware that bound within that decision to sign, is the possibility that they might lose their life. And, that they might very well find themselves sent somewhere to fight in a war of which they don't approve. Signing that form means you effectively forfeit your opinions on such matters and go where you are told, war being the pursuit of politics by other means. And those means generally involve some body bags coming back to the country. If such a notion is considered unacceptable now, how come it was acceptable some years ago when Harry was getting ready for basic training?

So much for military intelligence eh?

Makes you wonder if they had secretly been hoping that the black sheep of the family (from a parentage point of view) would go off somewhere and get himself killed.

[gnirtS]

[quote=gnirtS]
I find you highly offensive. INBRED LUNATICS. haha, thats rich coming from someone from Wales. I agree with what your saying about the job, but I don't appreciate the insulting of the family.

Inbred thing is true throughout the ages so no issue there. I dont appreciate them leeching £300,000,000 a year in tax payers money either. I support the worlds biggest benefit fraudsters via taxes so quite entitled to call them whatever the hell i want.

[gnirtS]

he does really want to go.

Proof of that is where? The carefully stage managed comments and "close friends" on the news ?

[gnirtS]

It's not newsworthy, it's just dross. Unfortunately the great unwashed lap it up, seemingly without satiation.

I think it is newsworthy and in the public interest. Tens of thousands of pounds of tax payers money has been wasted in training someone to do a job they've decided he is not capable of doing. The people have a right to know just how much of their money is being wasted where and by whom.

[gnirtS]

IIf they had encouraged him to join the Navy or the Air Force, he could still have served, but would have been in a position to serve where his 'celebrity' would not endanger the mission, as it's kind of tricky to tell who's in a Panavia Tornado up at 36,000 feet, or who is in that Sea King Helicopter on ASW patrol.

Chances are he's too thick to pass the standard selection for flight crew but a support role would still be able to give the illusion he's good for the country while keeping him out of harms way so it should have been done.


Prince Andrew was able to serve in the Falklands War under just such circumstances, and despite rumours to the contrary, was not steered away from his fair share of the workload. Similarly, Harry's dad (yeah right), Prince Chuck the Bonkers, was also able to serve (on a RN Minesweeper if memory serves me right).

Falklands situation was slightly different in that the geneva convention and so on stood. Yes he could have been killed in action (as others were) BUT if captured i suspect he wouldn't have been in an orange jump suit having bits of limbs sawed off on camera. Propaganda coup maybe but i seriously doubt the Argentines would have gone as far as the latter. The americans and Guantanamo are mainly responsible for creating the latest batch of geneva convention breaking warefare but its here to stay. If Hewitt was captured in Iraq he'd have been on TV in dayglo clothing in hours.


BTW, if you do think that the Royal family are inbred, then referring to Prince Harry as Harry Hewitt is kind of watering down your argument, don't you think?

Take a look at their lineage and then at their other suspected lineage. Plus the constant refusals for DNA tests. They highlight the classic problem of picking from a shallow gene pool - ugly, thick with all kinds of issues.

[gnirtS]

He should have gone completely anonymous and without anyone reporting about it (which would have needed a huge coverup-story to explain his absence) - or the whole issue never should have been pushed this far.

It would have been easily possible to assume another ID and just "no comment" to the press asking if he'd deployed or not. The powers that be though probably didnt want to send him. Soldiers are getting killed there anyway so even anonymous there's a chance it could happen. And everyone knows royal blood is valued FAR more highly than normal red blood of real people so they couldnt allow it.

[fatty]

I don't blame Harry or the military. The media whipping it into such a frenzy, and the insurgency claiming to create a special "anti-Harry" task force or whatever... his posting to Iraq would have unnecessarily endangered the lives of everyone around him.

[gnirtS]

I've always thought it was practice to pull soldiers off duties if their presence would be deemed to attract disproportionate attacks on a unit. If there is a specific threat, then surely they have just followed proceedure.
However he will ALWAYS put a unit at a higher risk by just being there. The Army cannot, does not and should not be forced to carry a liability which is exactly what Hewitt is to them.
Just like other liabilities are, he should be dismissed from the service before any more money is wasted. They don't keep one eyed, one legged lunatics in the unit for safety sake as it increases their risk in combat. Why then should they accept a ginger over-privileged inbred who does the same?

One thing though, if he HAD deployed i bet the unit would actually have been given the best and proper equipment and protective devices that although in theory everyone should have in reality hardly anyone there has been supplied with. Cant see his lot with him having to buy boots, vests and other materials off the americans.

[DanCanovas]

[quote=gnirtS]
I find you highly offensive. INBRED LUNATICS. haha, thats rich coming from someone from Wales. I agree with what your saying about the job, but I don't appreciate the insulting of the family.

Inbred thing is true throughout the ages so no issue there. I dont appreciate them leeching £300,000,000 a year in tax payers money either. I support the worlds biggest benefit fraudsters via taxes so quite entitled to call them whatever the hell i want.

I don't like Wales leeching billions a year of English money but it happens.

[gnirtS]

I don't like Wales leeching billions a year of English money but it happens.

Only in your vivid imagination. Lets see the figures.

(You'll also find that (i) its BRITAIN not England contributing to the pot and (ii) Large parts of England cost far more from the treasury).

[DanCanovas]

I don't like Wales leeching billions a year of English money but it happens.

Only in your vivid imagination. Lets see the figures.

(You'll also find that (i) its BRITAIN not England contributing to the pot and (ii) Large parts of England cost far more from the treasury).

and earn far more money too!

[DanCanovas]

"headline Gross Value Added (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measures_of_national_income_and_output) in Wales (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wales) was £39,243m, making the Welsh economy the tenth largest of the UK's twelve 'regions' (counting Wales, Scotland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotland) and Northern Ireland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland) alongside the nine English Government Office Regions)"

"Economic output (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Output) per head has been lower in Wales than in other parts of the UK (and most other parts of Western Europe) for a very long time "

DESPITE THIS

"the gap in real living standards (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Living_standards) between Wales and more prosperous parts of the UK is not pronounced.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Wales#_note-0)"

I WONDER WHY?

I rest my case and as we're boycotting someone elses thread, im not prepared to discuss this further. It would be better to insult our Royal Family to your friends and family who care. Many of us are staunch Royalists and don't want to hear it.

Dan

[gnirtS]

...and not a single article there mentions hand outs or costing more than England or even comparisons so not a single article is relevent to your argument. The fact still remains is (i) England != Britain and (ii) Wales doesn't cost more than anywhere else.


As for staunch royalists then maybe they should all agree to pay for it so the majority of us in the country who DONT want to support money leeching worthless inbreds that serve no useful purpose what so ever can spend our money on something a lot more beneficial.
An opt in royal family. They get what money the people that vote for them want to donate. Seems fair.

[perisher]

...money leeching worthless inbreds that serve no useful purpose what so ever can spend our money on something a lot more beneficial.
An opt in royal family. They get what money the people that vote for them want to donate. Seems fair.

Seems stupid.

And just what do you replace the Royal Family with? A President? Does the President have real power, like in the USA or France, or is the President a figure head, like in Ireland?

A President with power would mean a change from Parliamentary government, a President without power would be the same as what we have now. Either way it would cost millions upon millions of pounds and condemn us to Presidential elections every few years. What we have works and is cost effective, like all anti-royals you have forgotten the income to the State from the Duchy of Cornwall and other Royal estates.

If you have any serious or even sensible suggestions about Constitutional change let's have them, but childish name calling is just pathetic.

[jumpy]

It's not newsworthy, it's just dross. Unfortunately the great unwashed lap it up, seemingly without satiation.
I think it is newsworthy and in the public interest. Tens of thousands of pounds of tax payers money has been wasted in training someone to do a job they've decided he is not capable of doing. The people have a right to know just how much of their money is being wasted where and by whom.
You misunderstand: I'm not referring to discussion of 'money well spent' but of the media frenzy (as already mentioned by fatty) and it's insane interest in the most mundane minutiae contributing to a publicity that from a purely operational standpoint the MOD and harry's unit could do without; hence his commanders deciding that because of the widespread and detailed reporting of his posting to Iraq he therefore cannot go as now he is an overtly greater risk to himself and more importantly to those around him.

If you want to moan about cash, why not question the whole footing of the war in Iraq and the cost to the 'British taxpayer' as I'm sure it must run far into the billions by now...(or at least thousands of millions of pounds according to some sources) loads more than those sponging royals eh? Still, we all voted for Blair, didn't we.... so that's ok :roll:
Better yet, why not start another topic about why the royal family costs you so much money (according to the beeb in 2005 they cost the taxpayer £27.5m) instead of derailing this one?

[Penelope_Grey]

I find you highly offensive. INBRED LUNATICS. haha, thats rich coming from someone from Wales. I agree with what your saying about the job, but I don't appreciate the insulting of the family.

What has his being Welsh got to do with anything? I am Welsh myself and by default your remark is giving me a slap in the face too. I am not inbred. I wonder would you be as quick, or as brave, to come out with a remakr like that about somebody who is black, or from Pakistan for example. Probably not, like most quick to malign the Welsh and Irish, you probably don't have the guts.

As for the comments about the Royal family, they were crude, but accurate in a sense, the Royal family for a very very long time did used to 'keep it in the family'

[Penelope_Grey]

I don't like Wales leeching billions a year of English money but it happens.

Wales gets just 1 billion per annum out of Westminster that's it. Then it goes to Cardiff to decide how its spent. How many billions a year does Westminster get?

In terms of keeping Wales, we are not expensive in the least.

I think you are racist against the Welsh.

[DanCanovas]

I don't like Wales leeching billions a year of English money but it happens.

Wales gets just 1 billion per annum out of Westminster that's it. Then it goes to Cardiff to decide how its spent. How many billions a year does Westminster get?

In terms of keeping Wales, we are not expensive in the least.

I think you are racist against the Welsh.#


and having lived in Wales for 3 years, im fully aware of how racist the welsh are. Its the most racist country i've ever been to.

[jumpy]

Can we change the record now please and get back to the subject of this thread before we all get so infused with national pride and bile that we have to go and be sick?

[DanCanovas]

Can we change the record now please and get back to the subject of this thread before we all get so infused with national pride and bile that we have to go and be sick?

:rotfl:

[Penelope_Grey]

and having lived in Wales for 3 years, im fully aware of how racist the welsh are. Its the most racist country i've ever been to.

:nope:

Yeah, lets get back on track, no use arguing, cockney wideboys generally aren't worth the effort.

[Oberon]

Could be worse...they could be from Essex. :shifty: :hmm: :shifty:

J/K guys, I have relations who live in Essex, heck my other half was born there, so I can take the mickey a bit. :rock:

[Happy Times]

Why doesnt Wales and Scotland declare themself independent if they dont like the monarchy? Im a republican myself, being from Finland, just wondering.

[TteFAboB]

He should have gone completely anonymous and without anyone reporting about it (which would have needed a huge coverup-story to explain his absence) - or the whole issue never should have been pushed this far.

Just find a guy that looks like him to cover up for his abscence. :up: "What? Harry went to Iraq? Impossible, look, he's right over here!" Then a Harry-look-alike came out from behind the curtains to the awe of the journalists.
:rotfl:
Who wouldn't want to try Prince life? Alcohol, prostitutes, nazi armbands, etc.

[robbo180265]

He should have gone completely anonymous and without anyone reporting about it (which would have needed a huge coverup-story to explain his absence) - or the whole issue never should have been pushed this far.

Just find a guy that looks like him to cover up for his abscence. :up: "What? Harry went to Iraq? Impossible, look, he's right over here!" Then a Harry-look-alike came out from behind the curtains to the awe of the journalists.
:rotfl:
Who wouldn't want to try Prince life? Alcohol, prostitutes, nazi armbands, etc.

How about this guy? Remarkable resemblance;)

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w181/robbo180265/_38269492_hewitt300.jpg

[TteFAboB]

How about this guy? Remarkable resemblance;)

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w181/robbo180265/_38269492_hewitt300.jpg

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

You guys won't drop it untill he confesses won't you? :)

[SUBMAN1]

Chock one win up for the terrorists. The simple fact that he is not going shows more about their influence than even if he was KIA.

-S

[Heibges]

At least he wanted to go! Good for him!

Not like the cowards making up the elite in this country.

[DanCanovas]

Why doesnt Wales and Scotland declare themself independent if they dont like the monarchy? Im a republican myself, being from Finland, just wondering.

because it wouldn't be economically viable. Everyone is too close under the bravado, we all have friends and family living in all 3 areas which is why in referenda and opinion polls in both Scotland and Wales show an majority in favour of a United Kingdom.

[DanCanovas]

He should have gone completely anonymous and without anyone reporting about it (which would have needed a huge coverup-story to explain his absence) - or the whole issue never should have been pushed this far.

Just find a guy that looks like him to cover up for his abscence. :up: "What? Harry went to Iraq? Impossible, look, he's right over here!" Then a Harry-look-alike came out from behind the curtains to the awe of the journalists.
:rotfl:
Who wouldn't want to try Prince life? Alcohol, prostitutes, nazi armbands, etc.

How about this guy? Remarkable resemblance;)

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w181/robbo180265/_38269492_hewitt300.jpg


the only resemblence I can see is that they're both ginger lol. it doesn't make them related.

[blue3golf]

I'm pretty sure it wouldn't have raised the risk to much for his unit, the Iraqi's know we're there and they will go after anyone, royalty or not, all they need is the chance.

[gnirtS]

[quote=gnirtS]
And just what do you replace the Royal Family with? A President? Does the President have real power, like in the USA or France, or is the President a figure head, like in Ireland?

I'd have no issue with an *ELECTED* head of state in the way Ireland has it (but definately NOT the way america has it, as the bush regime has proven its dangerous and too under the influence of that one person). I'd also have no issue with just having a prime mininster and parliament and no need for a powerless figurehead.

And im sure we can find something that doesnt cost £300m a year.
As for elections, we already have council elections, european elections, parliamentary elections, regional elections. Adding one more would make no difference at all especially if done on the same day as an existing one. Might even get more than 20% of people to turn out for a euro election if there was a presidential election at the same time.

What we have works and is cost effective, like all anti-royals you have forgotten the income to the State from the Duchy of Cornwall and other Royal estates.

The state, ie the country NOT the inbred family leeching off it. There is a huge difference there. The land belongs to the state and therefore the country not some removed from reality webbed-feet little inbreds sitting in their towers. All the royals are basically are incredibly expensive benefit fraudsters leeching off the state (and therefore the public) while contributing exactly **** all. May as well take £300m a year, put it in a hole and burn it. At least then it'll provide some warmth so something useful - more use than giving it to the royals would be.

I feel to see why my money should pay for a family that does nothing at all to live in luxury.

[gnirtS]

If you want to moan about cash, why not question the whole footing of the war in Iraq and the cost to the 'British taxpayer' as I'm sure it must run far into the billions by now...(or at least thousands of millions of pounds according to some sources)

About £2.3bn. Or to put another way, about 8 years of royal leeching.
Neither is acceptable. Blair and bush should be up on war crimes charges especially as the way he deliberately lied to parliament to get his justification has since been clarified.

Just because some crook has managed to waste even more money short term somewhere else doesn't detract from the constant annual drain on public money for absolutely no useful purposes the royals manage.

Better yet, why not start another topic about why the royal family costs you so much money (according to the beeb in 2005 they cost the taxpayer £27.5m) instead of derailing this one?

Flawed study as it failed to take into account all the money they leech off the state funds which are of course funded by the public.

[gnirtS]

Why doesnt Wales and Scotland declare themself independent if they dont like the monarchy? Im a republican myself, being from Finland, just wondering.

Scotland at least is on the way, public mood is growing for that. The scottish elections this month the nationalists won a majority for the first time ever.

London is scared of the so called "break up of the union" as it can see it coming.

[gnirtS]

and having lived in Wales for 3 years, im fully aware of how racist the welsh are. Its the most racist country i've ever been to.

Its not a surprise given your comments above. No doubt you immediately preached how much better england was and how it funded everyone. Instant way to make friends.

[gnirtS]

[
because it wouldn't be economically viable.

It would, especially for Scotland. It would effectively be a carbon copy of Ireland but with the addition of gas and oil resources. Ireland survives and is thriving with its similar geography, population density and other factors purely due to the huge amount of EU funding it aquires. Scotland could and would survive.


Everyone is too close under the bravado, we all have friends and family living in all 3 areas which is why in referenda and opinion polls in both Scotland and Wales show an majority in favour of a United Kingdom.

... a decreasing majority each time and the nationslists just won a majority government in Scotland. That alone shows the trend.

[DanCanovas]

[
because it wouldn't be economically viable.

It would, especially for Scotland. It would effectively be a carbon copy of Ireland but with the addition of gas and oil resources. Ireland survives and is thriving with its similar geography, population density and other factors purely due to the huge amount of EU funding it aquires. Scotland could and would survive.


Everyone is too close under the bravado, we all have friends and family living in all 3 areas which is why in referenda and opinion polls in both Scotland and Wales show an majority in favour of a United Kingdom.

... a decreasing majority each time and the nationslists just won a majority government in Scotland. That alone shows the trend.


and on reflection many of those new voters for the SNP did NOT support independence but rather a change from the mianstream. the EU DOES NOT, I repeat DOES NOT support the breaking up of its member states into regions. in fact it staunchly opposes such moves. So don't think you can (in your words) go leeching off the EU once you have finished leeching from England. Your arguments are so basic and flawed and rely so much on your own personal opinion and assumptions based on hear say of about 10 Welsh Nationalists, there isn't much point in saying anything.

[Jimbuna]

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Come on people....what was the original topic ? :hmm:

[DanCanovas]

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Come on people....what was the original topic ? :hmm:

hold me back Jim, RAWWRRR!!

[STEED]

I have not read this whole thread, just could not be that bothered.

Once again our PC Government has given into terrorist, so no surprise there. Harry should now say "Shove it" and leave the army for what these liberals have done to him. He wanted to go to Iraq and do his bit for his country even if it meant he would be killed, he knew the risks and he knew he was a very high profile target but this did not put him off for what he believed in, the powers to be are a shambles and I am sick off these people.

[Tchocky]

I have not read this whole thread, just could not be that bothered.

Once again our PC Government has given into terrorist, so no surprise there. Harry should now say "Shove it" and leave the army for what these liberals have done to him. Hang on, was it 'terrorists" or these 'liberals".... He wanted to go to Iraq and do his bit for his country even if it meant he would be killed, he knew the risks and he knew he was a very high profile target but this did not put him off for what he believed in,So consideration for his fellow soldiers, of putting them at a higher, unecessary risk is completely off the cards? He wasn't going to be there all-by-himself

[Skybird]

At least he wanted to go! Good for him!

Not like the cowards making up the elite in this country.

Sometimes it shows greater courage and character not to do like others expect you to do.