Crying wolf Wolfowitz or: what Iraq and the IMF have in common

[Skybird]

"Wie im Kleinen, so im Großen." Or was it the other way around?

http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,druck-482945,00.html

Linked to this:

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/05/15/america/NA-GEN-World-Bank-Wolfowitz.php
http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/05/15/america/15wolfowitz.php

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/14/AR2007051401624.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/14/AR2007051401624.html

[Smaragdadler]

Sometimes a great Little is needed for something little Great.
Bauernopfer.

[Heibges]

Rule#1 of the Business World : Don't @#$^ the secretarial pool.

I know his girlfriend wasn't a secretary, but you get the point.

[waste gate]

More anti-semitism from the Europeans.

[Heibges]

Sometimes a great Little is needed for something little Great.
Bauernopfer.

Or, President of Bank need to think with Great Head not Little Head. :lol:

[The Avon Lady]

More Wolfowitz Derangement Syndrome from Europe and the clueless. Once again, Melanie Phillips points out the facts and false witnesses (http://www.melaniephillips.com/diary/?p=1517).

Now, if you'll excuse me, I didn't even mean to be here this morning. Just got my new notebook PC last week and SH4 yesterday. :ping: :ping: :ping: :ping:

Good luck, Europe.

[Skybird]

Die hard.
http://www.iht.com/bin/print.php?id=5728540

Bush has given up support for Wolfowitz. From now on it is only a question of time until he is history. Then the network of neocons he has installed needs to be taken care of. If that would be acchieved - and there is justified doubt that it even will be tried - the bank still will have to deal with it's reputation of being a manipulative tool to bring third world economies and markets into shape with interests of the first world (and to the disadvanatge of the third world), but at least the breathtaking shamelessness and frankness by which American neocons have been installed to take control of the bank and closing it to any outsiders not agreeing with neocon policies, would end. Wolfowitz has tried to run the world bank in the same arrogant, egocentric and corrupt manner he was running his corner of American policies. I wonder where it is where he has caused the greater damage, the first or the latter. History will tell.


A factor that kept emotions high was the disclosure on Tuesday of documents that seemed to buttress the bank committee's conclusion that Wolfowitz tried to keep the pay and promotion arrangement for Riza a secret.
According to one document, Wolfowitz had a bitter showdown with the bank's personnel director, Xavier Coll, in March 2006 over Wolfowitz's concern that word of the salary was leaking out to the press.
Coll recounted that Wolfowitz became "increasingly agitated" and said he was "tired of people" who were "attacking him."
"You should tell your friends to stop it," Wolfowitz added, using expletives and threatening retaliation, according to the memo.
Aside from the coarse language, the document seemed to demonstrate that Wolfowitz was aware six months after he arranged for Riza's compensation that few people at the bank knew about it. This appeared to contradict his contention that it was well known at the bank and deemed appropriate.

As the Spiegel essay does not reveal, but summarizes the often-reported personell-policies of Wolfowitz, one must conclude from all that that the Riza-affair is by far the lesser evil in his many failures. Wolfowitz must go, if not because of the Riza-affair, than for the other corrupt attacks at the bank's integrity which weigh much heavier. The US since the beginning has looked at the bank as something like the appendage of American economy policies and thus made sure that by the regulations it always, without exception, was possessing the chief's seat of the organisation. I can only wonder about the European's willingness to accept that habit forever, and to avoid an open conflict even in the face of the crisis around Wolfowitz. This whole thing - should have been decided long ago by a failed vote of confidence, and firing the man.

Krakenpolitik.

[Heibges]

She talks like it's a legal trial, but this isn't the legal world it's the business world.

In the banking and insurance worlds, especially at the highest level, you are considered a rebel if you wear a light brown suit.

If you're not the Rock of Gibraltar it's hard to be the president of a bank. At any bank in the world, any wiff of impropriety and you are a goner.

He isn't a player in the NFL.

Our mayor in San Francisco, Gavin Newsom, was in hot water a while ago over medical leave paid to a former mistress. The investigation cleared him. But this is the world of politics, again, totally different than the world of banking.

It shows Wolfie's hubris that he hasn't resigned already.

This would be a Human Resources nightmare at any company in the United States today. This is how is would play out here. Boss gives promotion to girlfriend. All other employees up for promotion sue company. Boss fired. Company settles out of court. Pretty much all companies in the United States have policies against superiors dating underlings, especially direct-reports.

[TteFAboB]

Close the thing. All WB projects I know could've been financed directly by any nation or even privately if the money hadn't already been dragged to the WB. If there's something only the WB can do I'm all ears.

[waste gate]

Close the thing. All WB projects I know could've been financed directly by any nation or even privately if the money hadn't already been dragged to the WB. If there's something only the WB can do I'm all ears.

But how many nation's could obsorb the default on that debt that many of the projects incure? It was that situation which caused this extra-governmental agency to be established. It is also that self governing extravagance which leads to the corruption which the World Bank is known for.

[August]

Rule#1 of the Business World : Don't @#$^ the secretarial pool.

I know his girlfriend wasn't a secretary, but you get the point.

Not the same situation at all. She was made to leave the World bank because he became its president.

How would you feel if your job was terminated because your employer hired your wife/girlfriend/significant other?

Do you feel you would be justified in getting compensation? That's what this is all about.

[XabbaRus]

More anti-semitism from the Europeans.

One I don't get this comment at all.

Two it isn't unusual for companies to have a no relationship in teh workplace rule. John Lewis in the UK has that policy to avoid corruption. If two people star something one has to leave. It's in the contract and well known. I don't know the ins and out but I would be surprised if he and his girlfriend were unaware of such a policy and thus gaining compensation is not valid.

Also waste gates assertions about how many countries could afford the default on any loans given to the projects is moot as most of teh money paid out by the world bank has no hope of being repaid anyway so it might as well be written off. They aren't getting it back and never will. Wipe the slate clean and figure a better way to deal with it.

[waste gate]

More anti-semitism from the Europeans.

One I don't get this comment at all.

Two it isn't unusual for companies to have a no relationship in teh workplace rule. John Lewis in the UK has that policy to avoid corruption. If two people star something one has to leave. It's in the contract and well known. I don't know the ins and out but I would be surprised if he and his girlfriend were unaware of such a policy and thus gaining compensation is not valid.

Also waste gates assertions about how many countries could afford the default on any loans given to the projects is moot as most of teh money paid out by the world bank has no hope of being repaid anyway so it might as well be written off. They aren't getting it back and never will. Wipe the slate clean and figure a better way to deal with it.

1. Wolfowitz is a jew.

2. The WB invests in other markets (bond markets for the most part) which gov'ts do not. This WB was designed to asuage the Europeans from the beginning. Money is influence and when the bank was established the US was, and to this day, is far and away in a far better position to use money as influence than any other single nation. The Euro nations didn't like that so the US let this extra-gov'tal agency be established. The negotiations left a US national as the president. Also the US is the greatest shareholder in the WB.

There is an old saying 'he who pays the piper calls the tune', or to put it more bluntly, 'money talks and bull**** walks'.

If the Euros thought Wolfowitz was bad wait until Donald Rumsfeld moves in!

[XabbaRus]

I know Wolfowitz is a jew but I don't see how that is relevant. Sadly it seems to be another of your remarks that has no basis in fact.

[waste gate]

I know Wolfowitz is a jew but I don't see how that is relevant. Sadly it seems to be another of your remarks that has no basis in fact.

Sadly, you cannot see the racism that still exists in Europe.

[Tchocky]

This whole thing stinks of Anti-Semitism, the WB should in the dock in The Hague.

[waste gate]

This whole thing stinks of Anti-Semitism, the WB should in the dock in The Hague.

I'm glad to see someone else sees this. Especially you Tchocky.

Also this thread was started by the same individual who started this locked thread;
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=114527

The danger of these issues cannot be overstated.

[Skybird]

Until today, I even was not aware that Wolfie is a Jew. :lol: Maybe it should have come to my mind by the sound of his name, but as a matter of fact I simply do not care if somebody is a Jew or not.

I can't read WG's postings anymore (blocked), but he made others answer to him with comments that made me aware of this fact, so this time I really owe you one for raising my educational level, WG. :know: Thank you!

[Tchocky]

This whole thing stinks of Anti-Semitism, the WB should in the dock in The Hague.
I'm glad to see someone else sees this. Especially you Tchocky.

Also this thread was started by the same individual who started this locked thread;
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=114527

The danger of these issues cannot be overstated.

Exactly. This kind of anti-religous invective cannot be tolerated. No free speech for Anti-Semites.

Marshalling the "Washington post" and "der Spiegel" to your side doesn't counter your obvious European Anti-Semtitism, Skybird.

[waste gate]

@skybird
^;) If you un-block me you will be even more educated.;)

[Skybird]

Not to mention my anti-americanism as expressed by my antipathy against the KuKluxKlan, my anti-democratic tendencies as expressed by my defending of monitoring the totalitarian sect of Scientology by intelligence services (a commoin practice in anti-semitic Europe), my ethnic discrimination of the Basques as to be seen in my opposition to ETA, my radical right-wing bias of my mind as to be seen in my disgust for theRAF, my anti-humanitarianism as to be seen in my crusade against the Mun-sect, and my sexual deviation as expressed by my outrage about the crimes commited by pedophiles.

Free speech for totalitarianism! Democracy for all (as long as they agree with the master) ! Stop being anti! :up:

I am also against Neonazis. Obviously I have a principal problem with authorities.

[waste gate]

In the last few days you have shown your skin skybird. Your spin control now will certainly fall on deaf ears. I hope you have a serious look at yourself and your beliefs and come to the same conclusions which many of us have.

I will pray for you.

[Skybird]

The final chapter is being written currently. Wolfowitz agreed to step back, now they are negotiating his "voluntariness" for softening of the charges:

http://www.iht.com/bin/print.php?id=5745122

When I see Blair and Volcker being considered possible sucessors, nevertheless I could get mad.

[waste gate]

Rumsfeld, Rumsfeld, Rumsfeld, Rumsfeld, Rumsfeld, Rumsfeld, Rumsfeld, Rumsfeld!
Rumsfeld, Rumsfeld, Rumsfeld, Rumsfeld, Rumsfeld, Rumsfeld, Rumsfeld, Rumsfeld!
Rumsfeld, Rumsfeld, Rumsfeld, Rumsfeld, Rumsfeld, Rumsfeld, Rumsfeld, Rumsfeld!
Rumsfeld, Rumsfeld, Rumsfeld, Rumsfeld, Rumsfeld, Rumsfeld, Rumsfeld, Rumsfeld!
Rumsfeld, Rumsfeld, Rumsfeld, Rumsfeld, Rumsfeld, Rumsfeld, Rumsfeld, Rumsfeld!

[ASWnut101]

This whole thing stinks of Anti-Semitism, the WB should in the dock in The Hague.
I'm glad to see someone else sees this. Especially you Tchocky.

Also this thread was started by the same individual who started this locked thread;
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=114527

The danger of these issues cannot be overstated.

Exactly. This kind of anti-religous invective cannot be tolerated. No free speech for Anti-Semites.

Marshalling the "Washington post" and "der Spiegel" to your side doesn't counter your obvious European Anti-Semtitism, Skybird.

I've been watching this topic intently, and I've finally decided to butt in here....

I agree exactly too! (Imagine that. The three of us agreeing on at once.)


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[XabbaRus]

Wow wastegate, can you prove that Sky is anti-semitic. Please can you back this one up. Well curious.

[Happy Times]

Waste Gate is anti-european, atleast anti-german. Dangerous Huns and Nazis, atheist non believers, seeking to attack the Bible Belt of America. :rotfl:

[tycho102]

What is really curious is there are quite a few African nations who appreciate Wolfowitz's corruption fight within the IMF itself. No doubt that Wolfie is loyal to the Bush, which is far more important to Bush than job qualification, but the guy was also doing something morally congruent with liberal mentality. Fighting corruption is putting it to The Man.


It was his bad with his girlfriend, though. I'm kind of mixed on the issue and not real certain what call to make. I expect that whoever replaces him will be part of the good old boy European network, funneling money to keep the political-elite financially secure.

[August]

I expect that whoever replaces him will be part of the good old boy European network, funneling money to keep the political-elite financially secure.

Which is what's behind the whole thing I think.

[XabbaRus]

I don't have a problem with people believing that european members were behind it. What I do have a problem is that A) wastegate accuses Sky of being anti-semitic when there isn't a shread of proof and B) Accuses the europeans of an anti-semitic conspiracy without a shread of proof.

wastegate how old are you anyway?

[Takeda Shingen]

Let's make sure that we're discussing Paul Wolfowitz, and not Skybird or waste gate or Neal Stevens. Play nice, everybody.

Thanks,
The Management

[Heibges]

Rule#1 of the Business World : Don't @#$^ the secretarial pool.

I know his girlfriend wasn't a secretary, but you get the point.

Not the same situation at all. She was made to leave the World bank because he became its president.

How would you feel if your job was terminated because your employer hired your wife/girlfriend/significant other?

Do you feel you would be justified in getting compensation? That's what this is all about.

I would be pissed, but it is standard business practice. One of them would have to leave. I have seen in happen. It sucks, but that is the law. I'm surprised she didn't offer to resign.

She would not have been hired in the first place at any company in the United States if in her interview she said she was the girlfriend of the president. Total HR Disaster waiting to happen.

Maybe she was using Wolfie to further her career? Certainly wouldn't be the first woman to try that approach.

I had a couple of friends get into trouble for dating at Charles Schwabb and they weren't even managers! They had to change departments so they did not work with each other. As Executive Level Management, Wolfie should have known better, or had better HR folks to advise him.

To say this has anything to do with anti-Semitism is a little dubious.

[Skybird]

According to it's own rules, the president of the world bank always is a US American. If you check the history of presidents of the world bank, you will see that it always has been an American since the institution was founded.

Voting power is like this: the bank is divided into five sub-organizations. nations hold as much voting power as is representative for their shares they hold. since the US owns close to one qurter of the overall values and poessessions of the bank, the US has roughly 4.5 times as much voting power (close to 25% of total) than any of the leading nations Japan, Germany, France, Great Britain (all around 5-6%)

SO MUCH FOR CONSPIRATION THEORIES THAT THE EVIL WICKED EUROPEANS TRY TO TAKE OVER THE BANK.

Psychoanalysis knows the term "projection". A projection is if somebody accuses others of faults that he himself is exessively practicing. A lot of projection has been displayed in this thread, concerning the euzropean's influence.

However, there is a grain of truth in it. Wolfowitz was vice defense secretary, close adviser to Bush, and main architect of the Iraq desaster.

That Bush made him the presdient of ther world bank was:
- an open affront to war-opposing Europe,
- an intentional provocation by which Bush wanted to demonstrate his "power" to overcome international resiostance to his Iraq policy, his neocon policy, and his neocon personell being installed in international institutions,
- and an attempt of penalizing disobedient Europeans,
- an attempt to make the world bank part of the neocon's "network" by which they try to influence world policies according to their agendas, which as far as the world bank is concerned is to bring foreign market into line with american economy interests and weaken their home strength (the hostircal reason for founding it after world war II has been a very different one, but that purposes has been ursupated (? I mean "ursupation") since long).
If Bush really thought that this just may be go through unnoticed and unopposed, then this illustrates how very much off-reality he is. OF COURSE the Europeans have not forgotten. And not forgiven.

The latest documents released to internal investigation, accoding to media reports, illustrate that Wolfowitz tried to hide from the public his personal favouring of his companion. This proves him lying when having said that he was even "urged" to give his girlfriend a raise. It is not just aboit her, but to the europeans disgust he also brought a whole league of neocon personell from the Pemntagon with him, that not so much were representative for america political culture in general, but the neocon'S agenda. There was much anger growing since longer time about this exclusive club of loyal neocon followers who put the agenda of neocons above the role of the world bank (as if the world bank itself already wouldn't have had an alraedy damaged reputation). A WB president acting like this when at the same time claiming to battle corruption - is lacking credibility, to put it polite and very mildly.

His very arrogant and know-it-all style of running business, of which Wolfowitz already has been famous for since long time before, did not help to calm any resulting anger and rebellion.

So, the final conflict probably already was programmed when Bush sent Wolfowitz to the World Bank. I see a combination of real and true claims against him, and diplomatic retaliation for Bush'S arrogance concerning certain decisions and his previous arrogant stand towards Europe.

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I got some PMs yesterday and today. The senders and me had a good laugh about the going of this thread. The lacking sense for irony in some people - is reason for amusement for others. ;)

[Skybird]

Game over:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6667975.stm

June 30th is the day. He falls on soft cushions nevertheless.

I hope this old man will not show up in another leading political role again. He has done damage enough in his life, and especially the last years. The doctrine of preemptive wars was masterminded by him and Lewis Libby, he actively was engaged in support of Indonesian dictator Suharto, he masterminded the war on Iraq several years ahead of 2003, 9/11/2001, and Bush becoming president.

"Fear the old men - they have nothing to loose anymore." - Even critics give him credit of having a sharp intellect. Sad how much he wasted it, at the cost of hundreds of thousands: becasue his planning mistakes and wrong estimations nevertheless were monumental. - He won't be missed.

[August]

I would be pissed, but it is standard business practice. One of them would have to leave. I have seen in happen. It sucks, but that is the law. I'm surprised she didn't offer to resign.

She would not have been hired in the first place at any company in the United States if in her interview she said she was the girlfriend of the president. Total HR Disaster waiting to happen.

Maybe she was using Wolfie to further her career? Certainly wouldn't be the first woman to try that approach.

I had a couple of friends get into trouble for dating at Charles Schwabb and they weren't even managers! They had to change departments so they did not work with each other. As Executive Level Management, Wolfie should have known better, or had better HR folks to advise him.

To say this has anything to do with anti-Semitism is a little dubious.
Remember she was working at the WB before they hired him so I kinda doubt your social climber theory. In any case I agree that it isn't anti-semitism, although i'm sure him being a Jew didn't win him any friends either.

The point i was making however is that a person in the GFs position would be expected to demand a deal of some kind in return for her cooperation. They couldn't just fire her, she had done absolutely nothing wrong.

Look at the link Skybird posted:

When appointed to head the body in 2005, he notified the bank of a potential conflict of interest because of his relationship with Ms Riza.


He asked that he be allowed to recuse himself, or step aside, from any decisions regarding Ms Riza's future. The bank's ethics committee acknowledged a conflict of interest but did not allow Mr Wolfowitz to recuse himself.


In other words, they couldn't find a real justification to ditch him so they set a trap and two years later they sprang it when the time was ripe. Not because they really questioned his ability mind, but because it was a chance to stick it to George Bush in the waning days of his presidency when all 2nd term Chief Execs are at their politically weakest.



Eh, as far as i'm concerned we'd be better off investing our money right here at home than engaging in these costly international scam programs anyways. I think we should pull out of the WB and let the Euros peddle their influence separately. At least then their crooked bureaucrats would be stealing from themselves instead of us.

[Skybird]

August, one of the articles also said that he set up a fight in order to keep his favouritism secret from the public. I quote it again since you have overseen it when posting the quote the first time:


A factor that kept emotions high was the disclosure on Tuesday of documents that seemed to buttress the bank committee's conclusion that Wolfowitz tried to keep the pay and promotion arrangement for Riza a secret.
According to one document, Wolfowitz had a bitter showdown with the bank's personnel director, Xavier Coll, in March 2006 over Wolfowitz's concern that word of the salary was leaking out to the press.
Coll recounted that Wolfowitz became "increasingly agitated" and said he was "tired of people" who were "attacking him."
"You should tell your friends to stop it," Wolfowitz added, using expletives and threatening retaliation, according to the memo.
Aside from the coarse language, the document seemed to demonstrate that Wolfowitz was aware six months after he arranged for Riza's compensation that few people at the bank knew about it. This appeared to contradict his contention that it was well known at the bank and deemed appropriate.

Concerning your remark of "springing a trap", I neither defend nor attack it. When you swim with sharks, you should expect to eventually get bitten. That is politics. Making Wolfo the bank president was an open provocation, and he was cause of conflict from day one on. He never should have been sent there - not with his reputation he had raised with Iraq. That he tried to help implementing neocon policies in WB goals and procedures did not make it any better. The european directors were aversive to him from the very beginning, and Bush earned himself additional anger with that decision. It was a test of power between Bush and Europeans - he won in the short and now lost in the medium run. BTW - if it was a european trap according to your theory, then nobody has forced Bush or Wolfo to step into it. Quite the opposite - Europeans voiced their concerns about him from the beginning.

The world Bank is a wonderful tool to impose economical policies onto others that forces them to tailor their markets to western and american needs. So it is doubtful that the US would ever pull out from it's own post-WW2-creation (although the historical reason for founding it is no longer represented). It would lose a major tool of securing US export chances on third world markets and access of US companies to step on land on these foreign islands, and help the crooked european bureaucrats to increase their economical influence at the cost of US influence on foreign markets. In other words: you gain much more from it than what is "stolen" from you. Since it is the "World Bank", nobody can accuse neither the US nor europe of foul play and blackmailing (instead of me and similiar twisted minds and Europeans). Great!

If third world countries are gaining so much from it as well can be doubted. At least they often have to accept higher prices for the WB's offers than are good for them. If only it would always be about fighting corruption...

[Smaragdadler]

Good analysis skybird, but only the tip of the iceberg.
Not only your and my european minds are "twisted":
http://www.amazon.com/Confessions-Economic-Hit-John-Perkins/dp/0452287081/ref=pd_bbs_1/103-7559769-4259012?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1179472071&sr=8-1

(no AL, let it be, no need for it)

[Skybird]

Sounded interesting enough to feed his name into the machine:

http://www.johnperkins.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Perkins

For reasons of balance, since I do not know this name, also this:

http://usinfo.state.gov/media/Archive/2006/Feb/02-767147.html

[The Avon Lady]

Good analysis skybird, but only the tip of the iceberg.
Not only your and my european minds are "twisted":
http://www.amazon.com/Confessions-Economic-Hit-John-Perkins/dp/0452287081/ref=pd_bbs_1/103-7559769-4259012?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1179472071&sr=8-1

(no AL, let it be, no need for it)
Too bad, I'm here!

The US State Dept. responds to Perkins' book (http://usinfo.state.gov/media/Archive/2006/Feb/02-767147.html). EDIT: Pah! Skybird posted the link already!

Similarly, even look around several left and liberal blogs and book reviews and you'll find a number of people there with the integrity needed to point out that this book doesn't out a single person/reveal a single name.

You are what you eat.

Furthermore, are you trying to claim that the average Joe in the US is supportive of such economic activity? I don't think so. :nope:

And do you know how many trees you've killed by buying this lukshen?

[Smaragdadler]

Not a single. Because I have not bought it.
It was given to me and I got paid for reading it... :)

[Skybird]

Furthermore, are you trying to claim that the average Joe in the US is supportive of such economic activity?
He did not.

The book only seem to remind us that sometimes governments do things and run policies the public does not know of, or is getting sold under different labels and assumptions. Which really is no new news.

I am neither pro nor contra this John Perkins, I neither know him, nor the book. The internet does not only show questionable credibility of him, but also positive one.

What he seem to say is not so much different than what Chalmers Johnson is saying from a different perspective, and with a different focus. I have little problem to imagine that Perkin's descriptions could be true. And that today huge investement companies move around and win profits by damaging and crippling healthy companies, then moving on to their next victim, is a known and documented fact - so why not manipulating foreign countries in the name of economical interests not of investement companies, but economical agendas of governments? It does by far not sound any unrealistic. If armies are being sent to fight for economical interests, then why not assuming that they also send single agents to secure comparable interests...

[Skybird]

I would like to see this thread not going off track again, and since Wolfowitz is history, this thread about him can come to an end.

For what is talked about now, we could open a new thread.

[Smaragdadler]

...by the way: This the U.S. gov stuff is quite interesting. First the fact that they see the need for it at all, second what they are saying (or not) exactly. Just count the phrase "it appears, that..." and the context in which it is used...

[The Avon Lady]

...by the way: This the U.S. gov stuff is quite interesting. First the fact that they see the need for it at all, second what they are saying (or not) exactly. Just count the phrase "it appears, that..." and the context in which it is used...
Boring.

BTW, the USG has often come out now in the Internet age with statements countering many popular accusations against the US. Nothing new here.
Furthermore, are you trying to claim that the average Joe in the US is supportive of such economic activity?
He did not.
Thank you for mind-reading.

I raised the question because he stated:

"Not only your and my european minds are "twisted"

Seems like the equivalent connotation would be the general populace of the US, based on a conspiracy book.

But nevermind.

[August]

August, one of the articles also said that he set up a fight in order to keep his favouritism secret from the public. I quote it again since you have overseen it when posting the quote the first time:


A factor that kept emotions high was the disclosure on Tuesday of documents that seemed to buttress the bank committee's conclusion that Wolfowitz tried to keep the pay and promotion arrangement for Riza a secret.
According to one document, Wolfowitz had a bitter showdown with the bank's personnel director, Xavier Coll, in March 2006 over Wolfowitz's concern that word of the salary was leaking out to the press.
Coll recounted that Wolfowitz became "increasingly agitated" and said he was "tired of people" who were "attacking him."
"You should tell your friends to stop it," Wolfowitz added, using expletives and threatening retaliation, according to the memo.

Well surprise, surprise the personnel director involved with setting up the trap has nothing good to say about his victims outrage. Didn't see that one coming... :roll:

Secondly this isn't a public officials salary we're talking about but that of a private individual. Personally I'd be pissed if my salary was broadcast to the world press without my permission. Dunno about in Euroland but here in the US that information is private, and even public officials do not have to disclose how much they make if they don't want to. Here it is splashed across the media pretty much ruining any chance of her fitting in at her new job.

She might even have a case for a lawsuit against the bank. She's been forced to transfer to another job, her private information has been made public and her reputation has been dragged through the mud.

[Smaragdadler]

She should seek a new partner.
Suggestion: Valerie Plame Wilson!

[Skybird]

Well surprise, surprise the personnel director involved with setting up the trap has nothing good to say about his victims outrage. Didn't see that one coming... :roll:

Secondly this isn't a public officials salary we're talking about but that of a private individual. Personally I'd be pissed if my salary was broadcast to the world press without my permission. Dunno about in Euroland but here in the US that information is private, and even public officials do not have to disclose how much they make if they don't want to. Here it is splashed across the media pretty much ruining any chance of her fitting in at her new job.

She might even have a case for a lawsuit against the bank. She's been forced to transfer to another job, her private information has been made public and her reputation has been dragged through the mud.
All not relevant. What is relevant is
- that Wolfowitz practiced favouritism and and tried to hide it, then lied when telling investigators and the public that he even was urged to give her a higher sale,
- that he shuttled several other people from the Pentagon, and other US offices, into key positions that were more interested in changing the WB's policy towards traditional neocon's views on various political fields,
- practiced an autocratic leadership style that caused a lot of conflict and made many experts turn their back on the institution, and damaged the already weak reputation of the WB even more,
- that he thought he could confront the whole board of directors and thought he could ignore them, and that he put his own interests and views above that of the institution and that of others who in certain fields were more expert than he is. Which is just a repetition of his way of flattening opposition in the pentagon when planning the Iraq-debacle.

Look how great the Iraq war is going. Look at how good Wolfo was for the WB. I see a pattern here.

It's okay to be clever. But thinking one is so clever that one can ignore other clever people, and slam them against the wall, and must not listen to their advise, is no sign of cleverness - but a sign of arrogance.

As I indicated above, I see no reason to continue a thread about him, since he is already history. So I leave it here. I suggest you read all the IHT essays and the Spiegel essay, there is so much more detail of which you give me the impression that you willingly ignore it. Or don't read it, that's also okay for me.

[August]

All not relevant.
Says you.

What is relevant is
- that Wolfowitz practiced favouritism and and tried to hide it, then lied when telling investigators and the public that he even was urged to give her a higher sale,

Wolfowitz tried to recuse himself from the process but was not allowed to. Now you're complaining of favoritism?

- that he shuttled several other people from the Pentagon, and other US offices, into key positions that were more interested in changing the WB's policy towards traditional neocon's views on various political fields,

Show me the high level manager that doesn't bring his own team aboard in any large organization. Irrelevant. It has absolutely nothing to do with the charges leveled against him.

- practiced an autocratic leadership style that caused a lot of conflict and made many experts turn their back on the institution, and damaged the already weak reputation of the WB even more,

Irrelevant for the same reason as above.

- that he thought he could confront the whole board of directors and thought he could ignore them, and that he put his own interests and views above that of the institution and that of others who in certain fields were more expert than he is. Which is just a repetition of his way of flattening opposition in the pentagon when planning the Iraq-debacle.

Again irrelevant.

Look how great the Iraq war is going. Look at how good Wolfo was for the WB. I see a pattern here.

It's okay to be clever. But thinking one is so clever that one can ignore other clever people, and slam them against the wall, and must not listen to their advise, is no sign of cleverness - but a sign of arrogance.

Yeah I see a pattern here as well. You don't have the support required to get rid of someone you don't like so you make something up. That's a real definition of arrogance.

As I indicated above, I see no reason to continue a thread about him, since he is already history. So I leave it here. I suggest you read all the IHT essays and the Spiegel essay, there is so much more detail of which you give me the impression that you willingly ignore it. Or don't read it, that's also okay for me.

Whatever, just remember that we won't forget either.

[waste gate]

Axis of weasels at work.

[Skybird]

Whatever, just remember that we won't forget either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tn_95hdy6Nw

The empire will strike back? Disobedient, unthankful vasalls that we are, we deserve nothing different - like France, he said, would have to pay, too. :lol: Are you still ordering "freedom fries" over there?

[August]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tn_95hdy6Nw

The empire will strike back? Disobedient, unthankful vasalls that we are, we deserve nothing different - like France, he said, would have to pay, too. :lol: Are you still ordering "freedom fries" over there?

Kinda sad attempt to play the unappreciated victim. I'm just reminding you that trust and friendship are a two way street.

OF COURSE the Europeans have not forgotten. And not forgiven.

[Skybird]

I'm just reminding you that trust and friendship are a two way street.

OF COURSE the Europeans have not forgotten. And not forgiven.

Trust and friendship the current administrations's ideological way is not wanted over here. It would be a shame to accept it or being associated with it, so keep it for yourself and the camp you like. And take note of this: nobody trusts America anymore, because of Bush. the next administration will have to do a lot of damage-repair. Staffs and personell in high ranking positions trying to hide their mistakes, undermining internatonal institutions with agendas coming from certain extremist directions, establishing a partisan-like "subculture" of neoconservative key personell at the cost of expert'S staff and working procedures inside an institution, and knowingly commit braking of rules, and mistakes, also are not wanted here. We have plenty of such subjects ourselves, we must not import them just because they run an agenda neocons like. Bush and gang did not cause trust, nor do they deserve it. Note that (according to your newspapers) of the ten Republican candidates, in rceent TV debates nobody defined conservatism the way Bush does (so commented the Tribune and the Wash. Post.)

You represent a minority in your own country on these issues, so don't take it as granted or give the impression that you speak for all America. Whereas my opinion on this issue very much represents the opinion of a very solid majority over here throughout Europe and, who knows, maybe even America: I still wait to see somebody shedding tears about Bush's defeat and Wolfowitz' fall.

I'm just reminding you that trust and friendship are a two way street.

OF COURSE the Europeans have not forgotten. And not forgiven.

You guys started that play. Nobody forced you to to pick especially Wolfowitz for that office, who at that time alraedy was highly disputed, and his reputation in shatters. In Germany it even was clearly said that he was not invited and not a welcomed guest on occasions, and it was not much better in other european countries.

Your wonderful president started a fight about him by sending him and now you tell us that we necessarly have to swallow that intentional provocation? that is "unverschämt". a wiser leader would have avoided that confrontation from the very beginning.

Stop distort things. Bush started this row, not europe. Wolfowitz acted wrong, and he knew it, and he tried to hide it, and lied about it. He was controversial from the very beginning, and nobody wants a neocon partisn-camp inside an international institution, except neocons themselves.

[Tchocky]

- that he thought he could confront the whole board of directors and thought he could ignore them, and that he put his own interests and views above that of the institution and that of others who in certain fields were more expert than he is.
Again irrelevant.

This just jumped out at me. I was skimming the thread, don't know or care enough about the situation.

[August]

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Yeah right. 100s of billions of dollars lost to corruption by your so called "experts" and you guys want to claim the moral high ground?

What a laugh!