What do they want from me??

[vindex]

I encountered four (!!) destroyers escorting a fast-moving passenger liner. Sweet! Must be some critical reinforcements, I think. I wait with decks awash until I see two of the destroyers, send a contact report, and dive. My message (which I have no control over) reports that I have encountered a task force. The reply tells me to engage the task force and inflict serious harm. So I engage and, not wasting my torps on the destroyers, sink the luxury liner. Down it goes with 4 torps, and I make my escape. Rack up 18k.

But my mission is showing unfinished. So I'm thinking, okay, I read somewhere that maybe you need to sink 20k to complete the objective. I do an end run around the four remaining destroyers and nail one of them for 2k, so I'm over 20k now. No dice, still uncompleted.

What exactly am I supposed to accomplish here? I would have been better off, renown-wise, to have just engaged without sending in the report. Isn't sinking a big liner that was better protected than Fort Knox a "victory"?

[elanaiba]

Any objective that you complete gives you EXTRA renown, stuff that is added to what you get from sinking the ships.

So its always better to send contact reports. Unless of course you get located because of it. And you die. Without saves.

[vindex]

What is the skinny on whether radio messages or using radar gives away your position? I've heard conflicting stories. I have never noticed any effect of either on nearby ships. Sometimes I think the aircraft come at me because of radio and/or radar, but I can't tell if it's just coincidence or what.

Anyway, I'm still asking, what is the victory condition for this mission? Does anyone know?

Can anyone confirm that NOT accomplishing a mission does not impose a renown penalty? (I see the last post is from Romania -- anyone on the dev team perhaps?)

[elanaiba]

Yes, someone from the dev team.

Of course its better to accomplish objectives, but just getting them doesn't imply you won't get renown for sinking those ships. That one remains unchanged.

[9th_cow]

So anyone care to tell us why no matter what we do these missions are always considered incomplete.

if your told to engage a task force consisting of 4 destroyers and 1 euro liner. why does sinking the liner not complete the mission ?


same goes for engaging under the orders "sink capital ship" i sank every cruiser in the convoy over 2 days. they were the only things that could be considered capital ships.

result, incomplete.

[joea]

Di you radio in after attacking the TF? Otherwise how would COMSUBPAC know you sank those ships? :hmm:

[AirborneTD]

My take on this is a little different. This was a TF you randomly encounter--no? In this case, your main mission is what was assigned by SUBCOMPAC when you left port--a patrol area, a recon mission, etc. This will have the icon on the map. This particular mission was a mini-mission (if you will) whereby you chose to engage. You have accomplished it and have gained renown for the sunk liner. Other than the renown, you will get no other kudos--except from me--"Way to Go!!!!"

[AVGWarhawk]

I believe you need to sink 3 DD in the task force to complete this. If it was a regular convoy, sink at least 3 merchants to complete this.

[gutterrat13]

My take on this is a little different. This was a TF you randomly encounter--no? In this case, your main mission is what was assigned by SUBCOMPAC when you left port--a patrol area, a recon mission, etc. This will have the icon on the map. This particular mission was a mini-mission (if you will) whereby you chose to engage. You have accomplished it and have gained renown for the sunk liner. Other than the renown, you will get no other kudos--except from me--"Way to Go!!!!"

I think Vindex is talking about the objectives that are assigned to you while at sea and reporting your contacts. I've only ever completed one of these objectives once as I always seem to get an objective that has nothing to do with the TF I've discovered. An example would be finding a TF of 3 cruisers and a pile of destroyers and getting an objective of sinking an enemy capital ship. Sinking all three cruisers would not change the objective to complete (as cruisers are NOT capital ships).:stare:

[9th_cow]

I havent recently bothered with the radio, from past experience it achieved nothing.
i could give it a go sinking 3 destroyers to complete that, although it seems a little odd.

for "realisms sake" i suppose i best not bother telling command about it, i should just sneak in there, hit the liner and leave. im sure thats what would have been done in real life. i can always pretend i was acting on orders.

however if to accomplish the mission i would have to engage destroyers, im not sure i would want to :) somethings not right about being told to engage those.
god forbid i should pick on a elite destroyer crew who apparantly cannot be evaded.

edit:
i know cruisers arent capital ships :) it was kind of my point. i didnt have externals on so even overtookthem during the night for a second look. 2 cruisers were the only large worthwhile targets. the rest were destroyers. and even after sinking the cruisers wich was no small achievement i got no credit.

that said, last time compac bothered to answer my message they told me not to engage a convoy i just engaged :) oh well. probably wise of them too, as it was i had to sneak out in shallow waters and got detected. spend a good time on full power manouvering like a maniac till i got into the depths where i could hide.

lesson learned dont shoot stuff when your in very shallow water miles from safety.

[SteamWake]

I believe you need to sink 3 DD in the task force to complete this. If it was a regular convoy, sink at least 3 merchants to complete this.

This is almost correct. Its two of the DD's. You dont even have to sink the liner.

In fact you can sink ANY DD's and complete the task. They dont even have be a part of that convoy. So theres still a chance to "complete" the task.

[9th_cow]

I believe you need to sink 3 DD in the task force to complete this. If it was a regular convoy, sink at least 3 merchants to complete this.
This is almost correct. Its two of the DD's. You dont even have to sink the liner.

In fact you can sink ANY DD's and complete the task. They dont even have be a part of that convoy. So theres still a chance to "complete" the task.

okay thats just a shame. ignore 18k troopship sink destroyer :) i hope they do something about that.

[JSF]

I think 9th cow makes a valid point here. And again someone else offered that if you hit the liner prior to reaching your assigned area without sinking any further traffic once arriving on station then you would still get an incomplete irregardless of the total tonnage.

From experience I have expended all of my ammo and fish in this manor prior to reaching the assigned patrol area and still ended up the mission was incomplete, however on the other hand, I recieved medals along with the crew in addition to the the crew receiving promotions.

In that sence it still just a game with certain criterion to satisfy.

BTW...Sending contact reports has been of no benefit on any of my patrols. I don't wanna talk with'em anyways. I just wanna sink stuff...by any means....:cool:

[vindex]

Last night I encountered a big convoy and radioed it in. To my shock, they told me to disregard the merchants and hit the escorts! The escorts were weaving all over the place, completely impossible to form a solution. I decided to disregard orders and send the cargo to the deep. Guess they can wrap my knuckles when I get back home.

Renown for:
Euroliner = 900
Large Modern Comp. Freighter = 250
Jap Destroyer = 120

You do the math.

[joea]

I believe you need to sink 3 DD in the task force to complete this. If it was a regular convoy, sink at least 3 merchants to complete this.
This is almost correct. Its two of the DD's. You dont even have to sink the liner.

In fact you can sink ANY DD's and complete the task. They dont even have be a part of that convoy. So theres still a chance to "complete" the task.

That is not right. :nope:

[SteamWake]

I believe you need to sink 3 DD in the task force to complete this. If it was a regular convoy, sink at least 3 merchants to complete this.
This is almost correct. Its two of the DD's. You dont even have to sink the liner.

In fact you can sink ANY DD's and complete the task. They dont even have be a part of that convoy. So theres still a chance to "complete" the task.

That is not right. :nope:

Its similar to when you report in a convoy contact and get messaged back "Good find.. attack the convoy" or something of that sort.

If you screw up and not complete the attack and they get away from you (life can be tough for an S boat) you can attack ANOTHER convoy and still get credit for the "mission".

[jerryt]

Last night I encountered a big convoy and radioed it in. To my shock, they told me to disregard the merchants and hit the escorts! The escorts were weaving all over the place, completely impossible to form a solution. I decided to disregard orders and send the cargo to the deep. Guess they can wrap my knuckles when I get back home.

Renown for:
Euroliner = 900
Large Modern Comp. Freighter = 250
Jap Destroyer = 120

You do the math.

Exact same thing for me. Was all lined up on the liner and radio'd about the convoy, and was told the DD's were priority targets. :doh: :damn:

[vindex]

Ironically, although I WAS frustrated, orders at the start of the war were to sink capital ships first. Okay, a destroyer isn't a capital ship, but I think naval combat ships did get the priority over merchants. These orders reflected a post-Pearl, pre-Midway anxiety about being overwhelmed by the Imperial Navy.

[SteamWake]

Ironically, although I WAS frustrated, orders at the start of the war were to sink capital ships first. Okay, a destroyer isn't a capital ship, but I think naval combat ships did get the priority over merchants. These orders reflected a post-Pearl, pre-Midway anxiety about being overwhelmed by the Imperial Navy.

Not necessarly. You cold do a lot more damage to the Japaneese offensive by sinking a passenger liner with a few thousand men on it rather than a DD.

Give the grunts a break :rock:

[vindex]

I agree, which is why those orders ultimately changed.

[TheSatyr]

Actually,later in the War Japanese DDs were considered the top targets. They only had a very limited number of them...and every DD sunk meant one less TF escort and one less convoy escort,making it easier to hit both TFs and convoys.

That's why Sam Dealy on the Harder went on his DD killing rampage.

[Bear]

I am off the coast of Japan. I just fired my last fish. I radio a status report and Comsubpac tells me to go after another convoy up the coast. What do I do, Spit at them? At least BDU told you to return to base. How come No withdraw orders from Comsubpac?

[SteamWake]

I am off the coast of Japan. I just fired my last fish. I radio a status report and Comsubpac tells me to go after another convoy up the coast. What do I do, Spit at them? At least BDU told you to return to base. How come No withdraw orders from Comsubpac?

Let me guess you still had plenty of deck gun ammo ? PAC has some grand ambitions at times.

You can still go re-fit but good luck on getting back in time to catch the convoy.

But thats okay as was stated before you can attack ANY convoy and still complete the task.

[Bear]

Complete the task! :rotfl: Are you a running for office in the goverment? With the Japs (No offense intended) using Nuke Depth Charges and a submarine with screen doors CSPAC just wants me cold, wet, and dead. I am glad Sub Comanders had more sense or else we would have lost more than 52 boats in the Pacific.