View Full Version : Moderator mentoring/supervision
A question for the mods.Do you check the work of the other mods and give advice to each other?
We all need some feedback on how we are performing and I was just wondering if one of you should be appointed to supervise the rest.It would provide independent adjudication when there is a dispute and they would be there to supervise the impartiality of the mods.I have always felt very uncomfortable with the "thou shall not criticize a mod" part of the rules.It is a way for a weak man to hide behind his position without any form of comeback.
ASWnut101
05-11-07, 04:46 PM
...It is a way for a weak man to hide behind his position without any form of comeback.
Although I do not have anything against them, I have felt this way too.
No comment yet.I feel that the modding is generally very good,but I have also seen some very bad modding as well when the mod knows the poster by forum rules is not allowed to criticise him! The ethos behind the no criticism rule is wrong and needs changing.
Sailor Steve
05-12-07, 10:59 AM
I don't know if that's true. We are able to PM other mods as well as Neal himself. I think the 'no criticism' is mainly concerned with allowing public fights to drag the forums down.
The mods actively discuss what goes on in the forums and take any comments made about them into consideration. So don't worry, if there's something going on - they know and they will discuss decisions. I find the mod-interaction practice here to be very good and responsible, actually.
andI was trying to make them more accountable and professional by introducing this topic.This is the only board that i subscribe to that has this concept and it is also the only one where the mods are not professionals in their fields and are totally unaccountable.
HunterICX
05-12-07, 03:33 PM
@ CCIP
''torpedo momber''?:o whats that :lol:
how can I take you serious:rotfl:
These are the rules of the Professional pilots rumour network.It is a much bigger site than this one( Threads: 226,404, Posts: 2,969,012, Members: 152,346)and has a much broader membership base.Moderators are professionals in their related fields.Yet they are not perfect and criticism is allowed.I suggest our forum rules are changed to this less draconian set of rules.
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Takeda Shingen
05-12-07, 03:46 PM
andI was trying to make them more accountable and professional by introducing this topic.This is the only board that i subscribe to that has this concept and it is also the only one where the mods are not professionals in their fields and are totally unaccountable.
I am entirely accountable for my actions, sir. I serve at the pleasure of Neal Stevens, and it is well understood that I may be removed from my position for whatever reasons he feels are important. Furthermore, you are able to convey your concerns to Mr. Stevens by the private messaging feature on the board. Accordingly, he acts as the direct supervisor for all moderators, and you should direct your concern to him as previously stated.
Stating your case in the manner that you have chosen here will do little other than anger a group of people, and unless this was one of your objectives, it will not better your case.
Oh dear the truth always hurts doesn't it!!
Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely An observation that a person’s sense of morality lessens as his or her power increases. The statement was made by Lord Acton, a British historian of the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries.
Takeda Shingen
05-12-07, 03:57 PM
Oh dear the truth always hurts doesn't it!!
Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely An observation that a person’s sense of morality lessens as his or her power increases. The statement was made by Lord Acton, a British historian of the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries.
:rotfl:
Linton, this is an internet forum, not national politics. I understand that you are angry now, but let's not give this situation undue grandeur.
You have an issue. I suggested a course of action that may resolve the issue for you. Take it or leave it as you see fit.
There is very little point trying to communicate with the site owner when he seems to have a decreasing interest in responding to comments.I know this is an amateur site but it is beginning to resemble one!
"Ceteri censeo, delendam esse cartaginem"
To which I can only reply:
"Utque tantum, Catilina? Utque tantum?"
:roll:
EDITED to correct gramma error. Thanks Linton.
waste gate
05-12-07, 05:18 PM
I don't understand why someone couldn't just answer Linton's question and/or point him in the correct direction;
How can you tell a patch is installed?
instead of jumping on him because he asked the question?
:nope:This thread was hangin' in a thin rope before, and it has also been closed due to bad posting. so please, as stated by the others moderators just a few post ago... JUST YES OR NO! :stare::stare:
No general discussions around this topic!
That is my question. Try not to jump on me.
danlisa
05-12-07, 05:40 PM
:hmm: I think there might have been a missunderstanding in that thread.
I have assumed that Seth is referring to a nocd patch where as Linton is asking about an official patch. If that is the case then it's a genuine mistake and I hope that his can be seen as a learning experience. Rather than replying (rather abruptly, IMHO) that clarification is asked for, after all, this is a multi-lingual forum. Mistakes will happen.;)
@ Linton, as you have not started a new thread about this question I'll answer it here. When you apply a patch to SH3, be it 1.1, 1.2, 1.3 or 1.4b, you will see the version number in the bottom right hand corner of the main menu after you have loaded SH3.
I don't understand why someone couldn't just answer Linton's question and/or point him in the correct direction;
Quote:
How can you tell a patch is installed?
instead of jumping on him because he asked the question?
Post #10 NeonSamurai
Post #64 Neal Stevens
Post #68 Seth
Post #74 Seth
Post #131 NeonSamurai
Post #175 AVGWarhawk
Post #178 Hitman
All those posts by moderators stated clearly that only yes or no should be the answer. Linton's question is perfectly correct and has a right to be answered. But NOT on that topic. He is wellcomed (As you) to open a topic about it, no problem.
That is my question. Try not to jump on me.
No idea. Why don't you open a thread in the SH3 forum and ask about it? It's a good question if asked in the proper place:roll:
waste gate
05-12-07, 06:31 PM
I don't understand why someone couldn't just answer Linton's question and/or point him in the correct direction;
Quote:
How can you tell a patch is installed?
instead of jumping on him because he asked the question?
Post #10 NeonSamurai
Post #64 Neal Stevens
Post #68 Seth
Post #74 Seth
Post #131 NeonSamurai
Post #175 AVGWarhawk
Post #178 Hitman
All those posts by moderators stated clearly that only yes or no should be the answer. Linton's question is perfectly correct and has a right to be answered. But NOT on that topic. He is wellcomed (As you) to open a topic about it, no problem.
That is my question. Try not to jump on me.
No idea. Why don't you open a thread in the SH3 forum and ask about it? It's a good question if asked in the proper place:roll:
I understand that the moderators asked for conformity within the thread on many occasions. However, a ten page thread is not always managable by the new comer to that thread. A simple answer, like danlisa's, would probably had warded off the entire issue. Perhaps a little help from the moderators would save them and many others a load of agrivation. I don't know I'm just thinking 'outloud'.
Try to think of yourselves as facilitators ISO law enforcement.
EG When my airplane is below 10,000ft AGL I don't want someone telling me I'm going too fast. I would rather be asked my airspeed.
Onkel Neal
05-12-07, 10:55 PM
There is very little point trying to communicate with the site owner when he seems to have a decreasing interest in responding to comments.I know this is an amateur site but it is beginning to resemble one!
Like the Prune guys, I have a lot of time constraints, too.
I think you should read those Prune rules a little more closely, Chris. They pretty much say "We can do anything we want, we can choose to do nothing if we want". Sounds as draconian as our rules.
This is an amateur forum populated by amateur posters, most do not even use their real names. I don't know where you think I am supposed to get "professional" moderators from. I'm sorry you're unhappy with the forum rules and moderation. I'm quite satisifed with the moderators, nothing is going to change.
Neal
ReallyDedPoet
05-12-07, 10:59 PM
I'm quite satisifed with the moderators, nothing is going to change.
Neal
Moderators here do a hell of a job, to all of them, keep up the good work:up::up:
RDP
My comments to this: My posting regarding the "please answer yes or no" issue was general. It was to all of the folks posting in that thread. If i have anything personal to discuss with a member of subsim, i'll PM him or her. I dont flame anyone in public. If you have read my previous moderating posts, you will see that this is my way of moderating. I have the greatest respect for ANY member of subsim, bilge rat or ace of the deep. Im proud to help Mr. Stevens here on subsim, and as Takeda said, Neal is our admiral and can releave us from duty anytime. If you, Linton, have anything personal against me, i would be glad to have a rational and mature discussion about this on PM with you. Im sure we could sort things out then.:up:
(BTW: I have recently recieved my degree in philosophy & psychology (yeehaaw), and believe me; i know my ethics and moral learnings... So, a "powertrip" isnt something that turns me on..:up: )
HunterICX
05-13-07, 04:16 PM
I'm quite satisifed with the moderators, nothing is going to change.
Neal
:up: They keep things safe,
this is by far the longest forum I sticked around on, and if it stays like this I,m sure not leaving
HunterICX
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