What the FRAK?!?!?!!

[marky]

April 1943

USS Balao is on her first war patrol under my command, this is my ninth war patrol total

my first boat was the Tambor class USS Tuna, followed by the Gato boat USS Drum



orders-

Patrol the northern solomons and the carolines

results...

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whoever had the bright idea to have a COMPUTER decide when to retire a human needs to lose his frakken job

BALAO boats being retired?!?!?! in 43?!?!?!?!

this is unbelievable!!!!

UBI neeeds to go bankrupt!!!!:down:

if u cant make a decent game then u shouldnt be allowed to even try

:down::down::down::down::down:

[marky]

less than notable my foot i sank over 250000 frakkin tons!!!! :down:


including a Hiryu class carrier and 7 or 8 tankers on the last patrol of Drum!!!!!

[Crosseye76]

Read around a bit Marky. There's been a few threads about this.

SH 4 is not like SH3. You don't start at the beginning of the war and run unlimited patrols until it ends. You get a number of patrols, like 4-10 or so, then you are "retired". Just like in Real life, U.S. skippers did a small number of patrols and in SH4 it's the same.

I fully agree however, UBI should have done a better job on the end screens, added a few more to better explain what is going on.

[marky]

SH 4 is not like SH3.

ur right, its WORSE!!!! :down:

i dont neeed a company telling me how to enjoy a product or how long i can play it sincei paid for the piece of crap, not to mention juz cuz its realistic or not:damn:

[marky]

sum1 definitely neeeds to come up with a mod or sumthing that keeps the computer from doing tyhis crap

[Crosseye76]

LOL, just start another Career. This time in 1943 or 1944.

Maybe for a bit of spice, try a Sugar boat this time.

You have a LOT of save and career slots, don't be afraid to use a dozen or so of them.

[azn_132]

I would suggest to load the last save before u retired then play it again but get less ships sunk or somethin like that then maybe u can still play on ur career, might work but havent try that yet.

[marky]

but nooo its okay as long as we all make our patrols last 6 frakkin months to get even a SHADE of our momneys worth out of this piece of garbage!!!!

i spent 250 $ on this worthless piece of junk!

and even wen im not getting blown out of the water by destroyers that magically find me at 1 knot 300 feet down im still not getting my moneys worth!!!!

:damn::damn::damn::damn::damn::damn:

tell ya 1 thing i want my money back!!!!

grrrr

sorry, nothin personal its just that this game ENRAGES me like none other ever has:nope:

[marky]

LOL, just start another Career. This time in 1943 or 1944.

Maybe for a bit of spice, try a Sugar boat this time.

You have a LOT of save and career slots, don't be afraid to use a dozen or so of them.

first boat i tried :rotfl:

[marky]

I would suggest to load the last save before u retired then play it again but get less ships sunk or somethin like that then maybe u can still play on ur career, might work but havent try that yet.

can u imagine a real boat skipper coming back to Pearl and talking to Lockwood or Nimitz and saying...

o ur retiring me? im sorry i didnt mean to sink so many ships...

:rotfl:

[marky]

lol now thinkin about that made me LMAO:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

[donut]

Move this to the Dev.humor sticky:rotfl: ! This is why we need SHIV Skipper/commander:know:

[marky]

Move this to the Dev.humor sticky:rotfl: ! This is why we need SHIV Skipper/commander:know:
not so funny wen ya work ur arse off just to see THAT crap wen ya get home ya bugger :rotfl:

though the "Ur retiring me cuz i sank too much" bit is hilarious at least to me

[marky]

Nimitz and Lockwood up in heaven must look this this about now :doh::rotfl:

[marky]

i even took Drum and put 4 fish into Yamato

didnt even slow that monster down :o

only once wen i got good hits did she look hurt

she took about a 20 degree list and stopped engines

[Lagger123987]

I would suggest to load the last save before u retired then play it again but get less ships sunk or somethin like that then maybe u can still play on ur career, might work but havent try that yet.

try this Marky!! It works for me!! I did this and it works!!

[marky]

indeed

too late though

so i just started a 44 with a balao

1 way or another im gonna see the end of this damn game:D

[Mudrik]

I have a post in the "Forced retirement" thread where I explain how you can edit a couple of gamesave files in a new career so that you will start the new career with your tonnage and player ranking from your old career. You may find that it helps a little with the disappointment of being retired.

[joea]

You're taking this far too seriously Marky.

[ReallyDedPoet]

SH 4 is not like SH3.
ur right, its WORSE!!!! :down:

i dont neeed a company telling me how to enjoy a product or how long i can play it sincei paid for the piece of crap, not to mention juz cuz its realistic or not:damn:

To bad, start a new career. Personally, did not like doing 30 patrols in SH3, little ridiculous.

RDP

[SteamWake]

but nooo its okay as long as we all make our patrols last 6 frakkin months to get even a SHADE of our momneys worth out of this piece of garbage!!!!

i spent 250 $ on this worthless piece of junk!

and even wen im not getting blown out of the water by destroyers that magically find me at 1 knot 300 feet down im still not getting my moneys worth!!!!

:damn::damn::damn::damn::damn::damn:

tell ya 1 thing i want my money back!!!!

grrrr

sorry, nothin personal its just that this game ENRAGES me like none other ever has:nope:

Wow.. just wow... put the game down and slowly back away :hmm:

[Tony1]

After getting a new Balao Sub at Pearl, I was transferred to Brisbane. When I returned to Brisbane after sinking 18 ships I was only able to refit. I traveled to Freemantle I was able to dock. Upon docking I received metals and was told that my sub class (Balao) was being retired and me along with it due to poor performance. End of career. However, I started to look into what could have shown a lack of performance. Upon looking into the "CareerTrack" file, there were no entres for my last patrol out of Brisbane. For whatever reason SH4 failed to record my sinkings throughout my last patrol and upon docking it must have concidered me an poor performer based on the "CareerTrack" file.

[Weigh-Man]

This has been discussed in other threads, the early retirment seems to be linked to being given command of a Balao Sub before they were actually available, therefore when you return to base after your first patrol in the Balao you get forced retirement.

Fix - When asked if you want to upgrade your sub, select no. Just wait for the Sub upgrade to be offered again later in the campaign.

I have tried this and it works

And just one other thing, please stop using text speak in this forum, it is really annoying and does not help in putting your point accross:D

[PopManiac]

This has been discussed in other threads, the early retirment seems to be linked to being given command of a Balao Sub before they were actually available, therefore when you return to base after your first patrol in the Balao you get forced retirement.

Fix - When asked if you want to upgrade your sub, select no. Just wait for the Sub upgrade to be offered again later in the campaign.

I have tried this and it works

And just one other thing, please stop using text speak in this forum, it is really annoying and does not help in putting your point accross:D

So, which year is the 'proper one' to accept the upgrade?

Oh, by the way, I can sympathize with the frustration here - to a certain extent of course!;)

I mean, if you have to go through crashes / bugs / whatever, install one MOD after another, follow tutorials and so-on and then you are 'retired' for doing a good job (so to speak), well - there is a breaking point!:p

Incidentally, can someone confirm that successful and decorated US sub skippers were 'retired' in the middle of the war?

It sounds a little odd to me, at least this is something I have never come across.

[U-Bones]

And just one other thing, please stop using text speak in this forum, it is really annoying and does not help in putting your point accross:D

What is text speak ?

[Weigh-Man]

Using things like ur for you are or m8 for mate, it's fine for mobile phones but I hate seeing it in forums, there's a keyboard at your fingertips, try using it. (not you personally)

Just a pet hate of mine:roll:

'So, which year is the 'proper one' to accept the upgrade?'

All I know is I refused the upgrade In July 43 and accepted it in Nov 43 and I have so far got my career as far as May 44

[Safe-Keeper]

[Falls in with Stabiz and forces marky to the ground, injecting a shot of sleep-aid up his anus]

There. Now he should calm down.

Seriously, though, calm the Heck down, marky. The day you've made your own little video game a fraction of the detail and complexity of Silent Hunter 4, you can throw tantrums like a little two-year old. Except, of course, that by the time you've made and published your own title, you'll not throw any more tantrums as you'll realize the work and effort that goes into the making of them.

Constructive critisism. Look it up sometime.

[mookiemookie]

Why didn't you post this in the "Forced Retirement" thread? Do you really think your ranting is special enough that it deserves its own thread?

Here's a hint: It's not.

:roll:

not to mention juz cuz its realistic or not
Don't buy simulation games if you don't like realism.

Incidentally, can someone confirm that successful and decorated US sub skippers were 'retired' in the middle of the war?

It sounds a little odd to me, at least this is something I have never come across.

A list I posted a while back...by no means complete, but just to show that many, many successful skippers only went on about 5 patrols.

Slade Cutter, USS Seahorse: 4 patrols, 72,000 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
Gordon Underwood, USS Spadefish: 3 patrols, 75,386 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
Henry Bruton, USS Greenling: 4 patrols, 54,564 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
Robert Dornin, USS Trigger: 3 patrols, 54,595 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
Malcom Garrison, USS Sandlance, 4 patrols, 37,368 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
John Moore, USS Grayback: 3 patrols, 45,757 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
Eli Reich, USS Sealion II: 3 patrols, 59,839 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
Williard Laughon, USS Rasher: 3 patrols, 38,340 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
Enrique Haskins, USS Guitarro: 3 patrols, 25,400 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
Bernard Clarey, USS Pintado: 4 patrols, 42,956 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
Thomas Dykers, USS Jack: 4 patrols, 42,417 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
Lowell Stone, USS Lapon: 4 patrols, 39,100 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
Donald Weiss, USS Tinosa: 3 patrols, 39,047 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
Charles Kirkpatrick, USS Triton: 3 patrols, 22,749 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
Frank Selby, USS Puffer: 4 patrols, 38,159 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
George Grider, USS Flasher: 2 patrols, 43,718 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
Thomas Hogan, USS Bonefish: 4 patrols: 34,329 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
Louis McGregor, USS Pike & USS Redfish: 4 patrols, 44,637 JANAC confirmed tons sunk

[fredbass]

Why didn't you post this in the "Forced Retirement" thread?

Yea, I wish more people would post on existing threads more often because there's way too many here already. :yep:

[ReallyDedPoet]

Why didn't you post this in the "Forced Retirement" thread?
Yea, I wish more people would post on existing threads more often because there's way too many here already. :yep:

Yes, close this thread:yep:

RDP

[PopManiac]

...
A list I posted a while back...by no means complete, but just to show that many, many successful skippers only went on about 5 patrols.

Slade Cutter, USS Seahorse: 4 patrols, 72,000 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
Gordon Underwood, USS Spadefish: 3 patrols, 75,386 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
Henry Bruton, USS Greenling: 4 patrols, 54,564 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
Robert Dornin, USS Trigger: 3 patrols, 54,595 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
Malcom Garrison, USS Sandlance, 4 patrols, 37,368 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
John Moore, USS Grayback: 3 patrols, 45,757 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
Eli Reich, USS Sealion II: 3 patrols, 59,839 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
Williard Laughon, USS Rasher: 3 patrols, 38,340 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
Enrique Haskins, USS Guitarro: 3 patrols, 25,400 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
Bernard Clarey, USS Pintado: 4 patrols, 42,956 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
Thomas Dykers, USS Jack: 4 patrols, 42,417 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
Lowell Stone, USS Lapon: 4 patrols, 39,100 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
Donald Weiss, USS Tinosa: 3 patrols, 39,047 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
Charles Kirkpatrick, USS Triton: 3 patrols, 22,749 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
Frank Selby, USS Puffer: 4 patrols, 38,159 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
George Grider, USS Flasher: 2 patrols, 43,718 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
Thomas Hogan, USS Bonefish: 4 patrols: 34,329 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
Louis McGregor, USS Pike & USS Redfish: 4 patrols, 44,637 JANAC confirmed tons sunk

Very interesting stuff Mookie, great job!

But, do we know whether they were 'retired', transferred to other positions and was it on request?

From what I have read (admittedly little on US subs in Pacific on WWII) there was quite a lot of stress involved so COMSUBPAC did grant transfer requests from especially the less successful skippers.

Crew transfers were also quite common.

But, apologies if I sound stubborn, it still strikes me as odd that COMSUBPAC would have a standing policy per se of 'retiring' successful skippers.

Unless, there was some kind of 'rotation' program involved, but why breakup successful crews in the middle of a shooting war?

Or were things so successful and easy-going for COMSUBPAC to allow them to experiment in their human resources dept?

[dean_acheson]

It's ok..... just calm down a bit.

For goodness sake, your tonnage numbers are crazy, did you do that with a manual TDC?

[FAdmiral]

I read a post over at the mods forum that somebody did a fix for the early
retirement by modding the end dates in the campaign layers. I don't
remember who at the moment but go there & check it out....

JIM

[TripleDaddy]

I just went into the Flotilla.upc file and changed all the retirement dates to null, 'cause sugar boats never go out of style. ;)

[TDK1044]

I read a post over at the mods forum that somebody did a fix for the early
retirement by modding the end dates in the campaign layers. I don't
remember who at the moment but go there & check it out....

JIM


The FTT mod solves the early retirement issue and adds much more to the game. I've been using it for a few weeks with no issues.

[jerryt]

I read a post over at the mods forum that somebody did a fix for the early
retirement by modding the end dates in the campaign layers. I don't
remember who at the moment but go there & check it out....

JIM


The FTT mod solves the early retirement issue and adds much more to the game. I've been using it for a few weeks with no issues.

I'm using that mod, and just got the exact same retirement notice. It's Ok though, I just started a new carreer and made the new skipper a protege of the famous JT Toliver. :up: I tell tales to the green crew about some of the hair rasing patrols I had with him. :D

[SteamWake]

I read a post over at the mods forum that somebody did a fix for the early
retirement by modding the end dates in the campaign layers. I don't
remember who at the moment but go there & check it out....

JIM


The FTT mod solves the early retirement issue and adds much more to the game. I've been using it for a few weeks with no issues.

I'm using that mod, and just got the exact same retirement notice. It's Ok though, I just started a new carreer and made the new skipper a protege of the famous JT Toliver. :up: I tell tales to the green crew about some of the hair rasing patrols I had with him. :D

See its as simple as that. All this blathering and blood pressure rasing ranting accomplishes nothing other than... well raising your blood pressure.

[daft]

Very interesting stuff Mookie, great job!

But, do we know whether they were 'retired', transferred to other positions and was it on request?

From what I have read (admittedly little on US subs in Pacific on WWII) there was quite a lot of stress involved so COMSUBPAC did grant transfer requests from especially the less successful skippers.

Crew transfers were also quite common.

But, apologies if I sound stubborn, it still strikes me as odd that COMSUBPAC would have a standing policy per se of 'retiring' successful skippers.

Unless, there was some kind of 'rotation' program involved, but why breakup successful crews in the middle of a shooting war?

Or were things so successful and easy-going for COMSUBPAC to allow them to experiment in their human resources dept?

Most skippers, successful or not were rotated back to the states for new construction (which usually meant spending an extended period of time away from the main war effort), or re-assigned to a desk job. Several skippers actually requested to be relieved of command even if they had been aggressive enough to please the higher-ups, simply because of exhaustion. However there was an acute shortage of qualified officers to command fleet boats so many returned to command front line boats, even those who were relieved of command early in the war because of their poor performances and lack of aggression.

If you look at the list of the top 76 submarine skippers by number of ships sunk provided in Appendix G of Clay Blair's Silent Victory two commanding officers made a total of 10 war patrols; John E. Lee (S-12, Grayling, Croaker) and James C. Dempsey (S-37, Spearfish, Cod). Two made nine patrols; Henry G. Munson (S-38, Crevalle, Rasher) and Thomas L. Wogan (S-34, Tarpon, Besugo). Then there are three that made 8 war patrols and the rest stand between 7 (10 skippers) and 2 patrols.

[marky]

[Falls in with Stabiz and forces marky to the ground, injecting a shot of sleep-aid up his anus]

There. Now he should calm down.

Seriously, though, calm the Heck down, marky. The day you've made your own little video game a fraction of the detail and complexity of Silent Hunter 4, you can throw tantrums like a little two-year old. Except, of course, that by the time you've made and published your own title, you'll not throw any more tantrums as you'll realize the work and effort that goes into the making of them.

Constructive critisism. Look it up sometime.

both of ya stay away from my anus or ill kick ya in the clusters so hard ull be tastin em:gulp:

however may i assume from your dedicated defense that u urself are a programmer?

in either case, programmer or not i say to hell with that

if programmers and game makers were as obsessed with making a GOOD game and finishing the job right instead of collecting their paychecks then this forum would be alot quieter:D

no offense meant tho eh? :rotfl:

[marky]

and indeed if i mae a game id make it right and make sure it was playable out of the frakkin box :up::rock:

[SteamWake]

and indeed if i mae a game id make it right and make sure it was playable out of the frakkin box :up::rock:

Am I the only one that sees some irony here ?

[marky]

im afraid ive missed it completely mate:rotfl:

but again if ive offended people, get over it!:rotfl:

lol jk

[Biggles]

It's a bloody game, you can play it just how you want. Start a new campaign, reload the last one, whatever, I think it would be foolish to judge UBI and the entire game 'cause of this....

[TripleDaddy]

Of all the things I never expected to read here, this tops the list:

both of ya stay away from my anus

[heartc]

whoever had the bright idea to have a COMPUTER decide when to retire a human needs to lose his frakken job

BALAO boats being retired?!?!?! in 43?!?!?!?!

this is unbelievable!!!!

UBI neeeds to go bankrupt!!!!:down:

if u cant make a decent game then u shouldnt be allowed to even try

:down::down::down::down::down:
SHUT THE **** UP.

There already is a thread about this topic since long, here:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=109507

But I don't really have to tell you, since you already know about this thread but just wanted to air your pathetic and childish rants in your own, new thread. Mr. Marky has been fouled, Mr. Marky is PISSED OFF and EVERYBODY has to KNOW ABOUT IT. Huh, that's how you feel, right? Oh, yes, Mr. Marky, please forgive the devs for the horrendous sin they commited against your innocent soul.

Moderators, you are WAY TOO LEAN in my opinion. I know this goes both ways and you might have to hang me, too, if you acted like I wish you did, but in the end, you got to ask yourself if you really want to play the "unbiased" observer and let the maniacs reign supreme, or what this should be all about here instead. Take a look at the name of this website, it might help in the decision. Because "Kindergarden.com" or "asylum.com" it is not.

[marky]

:rotfl:

me? shut up?

not likely:rotfl:

ive already been banned from 1 forum for 90 days i dont give up easily mate

and im right. if companys are gonna do the job right they shouldnt try at alll

and calm down before ya giv urself a heart attack:doh:

[marky]

anyway

its obvious that the list of people that arent happy with this game is growing daily

and i never thought id be among them:doh:


cuz im usually pretty tolerant of a game, but SH4 has exhausted my patience:nope:

with that i shall say no more here :)

[CaptainHaplo]

While I am going to bite my tongue on the matter of behavior in the forum..... yes this is a bug. Its listed - been determined why its a bug, and a fix has been released by the community of modders.

Instead of everyone and their brother complaining about things that are broken - why not spend a little bit of time checking to see what has been confirmed, and fixed, by those who work hard, not for Ubisoft - but for this community.

Yes there are bugs in the game that modders can't fix. This however isnt one of them. This bug is the unintended result of a date in a file - an easy fix. Yes it should have been caught. It has been. Move on....

In addition to testing and all kinds of other things, I do have one career running. It will last me from the beginning of the war to the end. No forced retirement for me. Why? Because of the hard work of others - and to them I offer my thanks.

Ultimately - there are things we have a right to be pissed about - an unfinished game that we paid good money for. But do so on the items that need attention. Convoy AI, broke radar, borked damage control. These are things that the community at large has no access to (or in the case of the radar - access doesnt help).

No - I am NOT advocating that Ubisoft let modders fix the game - but to their credit they DID make it highly modable - so I dont have an issue with letting the community "polish" a finished product. Its what happened when we finally got 1.4 for SH3 - and what should happen when the support lifecycle of SH4 finishes.

On the last note - in official patches you often see fixes that replicate what modders have figured out and fixed. Not copies, but the concept of HOW to fix the problem. So do yourself - and the rest of us - a favor, and put forth a little effort before you go screaming about (*&^*(&^*&^(*^ bugs that just "ruin the game" for you.

[marky]

hmm


a very measured response

i salute u:up::ping:

[Onkel Neal]

[quote=marky]

both of ya stay away from my anus or ill kick ya in the clusters so hard ull be tastin em



And with that we wrap up another substandard thread.