Did they try and pick up survivors? (GWX)

[kurtz]

Extraordinary occurence on my last patrol I'd torpedoed a large tanker and it was dead in the water when I noticed a modern tanker had hove to close to it. What I want to know is; was she stopping to pick up survivors, or stopping to try and avoid collision?

Yes I did torpedoe it as well, but now I've got got post raumatic stress syndrome due to the senseless waste of human life.
Oh the horror.....

[HunterICX]

Extraordinary occurence on my last patrol I'd torpedoed a large tanker and it was dead in the water when I noticed a modern tanker had hove to close to it. What I want to know is; was she stopping to pick up survivors, or stopping to try and avoid collision?

Yes I did torpedoe it as well, but now I've got got post raumatic stress syndrome due to the senseless waste of human life.
Oh the horror.....


mostly what happens when to AI ships are too close together one of them stops turn emergency back and makes a sharp turn indeed to avoid collision.

the AI isnt programmed to ''be nice''
what you could do is let the modern tanker alone and simulate that he is picking up the survivors.

[P_Funk]

Actually in reality standing orders were to ignore survivors and to move on. Any escorts that could would collect survivors when possible.

Later on they created a dedicated recovery ship for survivors. But the AI is basically sociopathic. They live for themselves and nobody else.:cool:

[STEED]

AI ships are mad and they don't give a toss if they are firing at you and another ship gets in the way they keep firing and on some occasions they sink one of there own. :doh:

[Brag]

AI ships are mad and they don't give a toss if they are firing at you and another ship gets in the way they keep firing and on some occasions they sink one of there own. :doh:

The AI is madder than the players :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[STEED]

The AI is madder than the players :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Spot on there. :rotfl: :rotfl:

[Vacillator]

I noticed a modern tanker had hove to
A modern one eh? These time travellers get everywhere! Perhaps it was like this?

http://supertankers.topcities.com/id23.htm

Who could resist 560,000 tonnes!!!

[kurtz]

reckon that might be be a three torpedoe sinking?

[dcb]

a large tanker and it was dead in the water when I noticed a modern tanker had hove to close to it.

Mostly same thing here too. These days, while attacking a convoy, I torpedoed a large merchant. He stopped, but did not sink. Two destroyers remained behind to hunt me, one actively searching for me, while the other just stopped right beside the merchant and just stood there. When I escaped the hunting DD, I put a torp in the merchie from a distance. It sank. Only then, the second DD (the immobile one) started to move and hurried to rejoin the convoy. The other DD remained there, trying to find me (at the wrong spot, fortunately). I play a modded version of GWX.

[Jimbuna]

The AI will always avoid a collision if possible. My father served in the Atlantic and on the Murmansk convoys in the merchant navy and he informed me that not only were merchants restricted from stoping to pick up survivors but were also forced to maintain course on occassion, sometimes resulting in a ship running over survivors in the water.

[kurtz]

My father served in the Atlantic and on the Murmansk convoys in the merchant navy and he informed me that not only were merchants restricted from stoping to pick up survivors but were also forced to maintain course on occassion, sometimes resulting in a ship running over survivors in the water.
I think those guys on the Murmansk run are the great unsung heroes of WWII. They endured terrible privations and enormous risks for a very dubious strategic goal, propping up the stalinist regime which in many ways was as bad as the nazis.

Mike.

[GoldenRivet]

You guys are right - orders are to not stop for survivors - period.

radio the position of the attack and a rescue will be attempted later when danger has cleared.

Stop a big boat long enough to pick up survivors and you will all be treading water sooner than you think. few things as easy as a torpedo solution on a stationary ship.

They could throw lofe boats overboard or life rings etc but not stop. Sea planes with long enough range usually flew out to get survivors if conditions permitted.

watch the movie "Flags of our fathers" one marine falls overboard while acting stupid and lands in the water amidst a HUGE convoy. when you look at this little man in the water the ships continue sailing past him everyone comes to the sobering realization that "They're not going to stop... they cant, nobody can"... and the viewer comes to recognize the implications of stopping a single merchant ship in a convoy... traffic jams, the traffic flow is interrupted, now you have a huge mess on your hands. especially in a convoy such as the one in the movie which seems to span from horizon to horizon in close lanes.

But fear not for the survivors, they will freeze to death soon enough... probably within a couple of hours or less.

[Platapus]

I noticed a modern tanker had hove to
A modern one eh? These time travellers get everywhere! Perhaps it was like this?

http://supertankers.topcities.com/id23.htm

Who could resist 560,000 tonnes!!!

Look on the bright side. Once you get within 1000 meters of this big boy your torps can't miss no matter what setting you use. Point and shoot you are gonna hit somethin!

[Sailor Steve]

I've seen a ship stop right next to one that is sinking as well. It may be a collision-avoidance routine, but it sure looks cool. Once I even wrote in my log that as long as they were picking up their fellows I decided to let them go. Otto Wedigen must have rolled over in his grave.

[TarJak]

Seen something similar but took the shot on the sitting target. Couldn't resist.

[Jimbuna]

My father served in the Atlantic and on the Murmansk convoys in the merchant navy and he informed me that not only were merchants restricted from stoping to pick up survivors but were also forced to maintain course on occassion, sometimes resulting in a ship running over survivors in the water.
I think those guys on the Murmansk run are the great unsung heroes of WWII. They endured terrible privations and enormous risks for a very dubious strategic goal, propping up the stalinist regime which in many ways was as bad as the nazis.

Mike.

On behalf of my father, thank you :up:
I think it's a little ironic that approx 20 years ago he received a medal from the Russian ambassador in London in recognition of his service, yet received nothing from the British Government until 2 years ago (a small enamel lapel badge) :nope:

[Lzs von swe]

My father served in the Atlantic and on the Murmansk convoys in the merchant navy and he informed me that not only were merchants restricted from stoping to pick up survivors but were also forced to maintain course on occassion, sometimes resulting in a ship running over survivors in the water.
I think those guys on the Murmansk run are the great unsung heroes of WWII. They endured terrible privations and enormous risks for a very dubious strategic goal, propping up the stalinist regime which in many ways was as bad as the nazis.

Mike.

On behalf of my father, thank you :up:
I think it's a little ironic that approx 20 years ago he received a medal from the Russian ambassador in London in recognition of his service, yet received nothing from the British Government until 2 years ago (a small enamel lapel badge) :nope:

This makes me think of my late uncle (my fathers brother). He served in the Swedish merchant fleet during WW2. When he sailed on the Atlantic he was chased by German U-boats, when in the Baltic he was chased by Russian and British subs and planes, Sweden sold iron ore to Germany throughout the war. He never ever got any recognition whatsoever, and never asked for it either, from anyone:down:

[Kaleu. Jochen Mohr]

My father served in the Atlantic and on the Murmansk convoys in the merchant navy and he informed me that not only were merchants restricted from stoping to pick up survivors but were also forced to maintain course on occassion, sometimes resulting in a ship running over survivors in the water.
I think those guys on the Murmansk run are the great unsung heroes of WWII. They endured terrible privations and enormous risks for a very dubious strategic goal, propping up the stalinist regime which in many ways was as bad as the nazis.

Mike.

On behalf of my father, thank you :up:
I think it's a little ironic that approx 20 years ago he received a medal from the Russian ambassador in London in recognition of his service, yet received nothing from the British Government until 2 years ago (a small enamel lapel badge) :nope:

This makes me think of my late uncle (my fathers brother). He served in the Swedish merchant fleet during WW2. When he sailed on the Atlantic he was chased by German U-boats, when in the Baltic he was chased by Russian and British subs and planes, Sweden sold iron ore to Germany throughout the war. He never ever got any recognition whatsoever, and never asked for it either, from anyone:down:

i got a cousin on my dads side who was a SS panzer officer:up:. and he had a cousin who was a U-boat commander:rock:.
unfortunatly his U-boat got destroyed just before the ending of the war :nope:.

[gi_dan2987]

I just downloaded GWX (I know I know, have I been living under a rock this whole time?) and once in a while on patrol I will receive open frequency messages from various ships sending out SSS signals. How do I find their grid coordinates when the map does not have them? for example, I got a message from the SS Athena requesting survivor pickup at grid 45*33'N 23*12'W. any suggestions?

[HW3]

Those are actual messages from real life ships sent during the war. They are included for immersion purposes only.

:salute:

[maillemaker]

AI ships are mad and they don't give a toss if they are firing at you and another ship gets in the way they keep firing and on some occasions they sink one of there own. :doh:

I have used this to my advantage early in the war when only a few convoy ships have guns. I will purposefully sail my uboat to put another merchant between me and the one shooting at me. :) Then I'll use my deck gun to attack others. :)

The other day when I nailed the Bogue-class carrier out of the center of a convoy, 3 of the destroyers all came to a stop on the opposite side of the carrier from me. It was like they were using the dead-in-the-water Bogue to shield themselves from me. It was an easy stern-shot into the Bogue to take her down.

Steve

[MRV]

As far as I can tell the merchants in real life even were unable to pick up survivors because of their lack of mobility. It takes around 2 km of distance to bring a cargo ship to stop, thats why they even have problems rescuing their own crewmen if they get washed overboard. Second, swimming survivors were not really good visible objects in the sea, a merchant trying to get close to a sinking ship would kill more sailors than its able to rescue.

They left this job over to the much more manuverable, better-equipped and trained escorts.

However, it would be nice if AI were scripted to do this. For example with 3 DD's on a convoi, 2 search for you and the third one is pulling ppl out the water, until she's done and joins the search for the attacker.

[Gargamel]

s.

However, it would be nice if AI were scripted to do this. For example with 3 DD's on a convoi, 2 search for you and the third one is pulling ppl out the water, until she's done and joins the search for the attacker.

Actually, historically, warships were unders to not rescue survivors if there was a chance the threat was still there. There were a couple occasions when survivors who could have been easily saved that died because a warship did not stop to help, or they had to stop the rescue. I believe this happened during the Bismark sinking, along with other instances.

[Snestorm]

Actually, historically, warships were unders to not rescue survivors if there was a chance the threat was still there. There were a couple occasions when survivors who could have been easily saved that died because a warship did not stop to help, or they had to stop the rescue. I believe this happened during the Bismark sinking, along with other instances.

I watched the interview of a RN officer from one of the cruisers, which was doing rescue work.
They got orders to vacate the area due to a percieved uboat threat.
They had to vacate with hundreds of survivors in the water.

The man was anything but heartless, as he couldn't finish the story without coming to tears.
Tough times for all.

[krashkart]

It must have been among the most awful of things to endure to have to leave survivors in the water like that. Ffffffuuuuuuu- :nope:


This is a good Resurrect-O-Thread. :)