Regarding some bizarre threads and posts around here!

[hellas1]

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I've noticed that the threads here run from great to bizarre and that posts range from "Uncooked" to "Burnt to a crispy" (I saw "Burnt to a crispy" at a Chinese place here in N.H. It was a typo and was removed by the restaurant) insofar as post content is concerned ethically.

I've fully concluded that using my intro phrase "sub pimps and pimpettes" is wrong ethically in posting.
Another example of wrong posting:
What the does a scantily clad pinup girl have to do with sinking Battleships, Merchant ships, interception, shooting down airplanes? :hmm:

My idea was that this place was gender inclusive and relaxed, fun and understanding, hence my use of my former introduction in posting.
It seems that there are NO ladies posting here and I don't know what they thought about it.
If there are, I want you to speak up.

Anyway, Having guys posting overt female sexual stuff on a public forum isn't good and should be curtailed.
Gentlemen, You should PM each other instead IMO.

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Not trying to be politically correct, just honest
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hellas1

[NEON DEON]

Morale.

Let the boys know what they were fighting for.

Historic.

Here are two shots of nose art from a P 51 Mustang and a B 26 Invader.

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/7324/wpafm018webny0.jpg


http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/4611/reading20webjs4.jpg

[mookiemookie]

I have a collection of black and white photography prints of pinup girl artwork from the noses of WW2 aircraft hanging in my room. No girlfriend or female friend of mine has ever been offended by them. In fact, I've recieved nothing but compliments on them.

I think you might be going a bit far on this one. Pinup girls were part of WW2. :yep:

[Camaero]

Sorry but woman today should be offended by Paris Hilton, not some classy gal from 1942.

Pin up art from the 40s are very welcome by me!

No offense, but its nuts to be offended by something like that.

[sqk7744]

Bingo!

Looks like the Pin-Up, errr "Moral Office"... thread found a new home!

Operation Petticoat:

(in the words of Chief Malumphry - "if you wanna know what you're fightin' for - there's your answer") :D

[Reaves]

The PC Police!! Run Away!!! :roll:

[shad43]

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I've noticed that the threads here run from great to bizarre and that posts range from "Uncooked" to "Burnt to a crispy" (I saw "Burnt to a crispy" at a Chinese place here in N.H. It was a typo and was removed by the restaurant) insofar as post content is concerned ethically.

I've fully concluded that using my intro phrase "sub pimps and pimpettes" is wrong ethically in posting.
Another example of wrong posting:
What the does a scantily clad pinup girl have to do with sinking Battleships, Merchant ships, interception, shooting down airplanes? :hmm:

My idea was that this place was gender inclusive and relaxed, fun and understanding, hence my use of my former introduction in posting.
It seems that there are NO ladies posting here and I don't know what they thought about it.
If there are, I want you to speak up.

Anyway, Having guys posting overt female sexual stuff on a public forum isn't good and should be curtailed.
Gentlemen, You should PM each other instead IMO.

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Not trying to be politically correct, just honest
:rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock:
hellas1

Referring to the community as "sub pimps and pimpettes" is bizarre IMO
but then Im not into hip hop or rap and geez Im 40 something so yes I
think thats bizarre, but to each his own...I think we all know the greeting
was meant as a good thing...but posting this and inferring that we are perverted
in some way because we like pin ups is, well even more bizarre...just let it go
who cares.

[sunvalleyslim]

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I've fully concluded that using my intro phrase "sub pimps and pimpettes" is wrong ethically in posting.
Another example of wrong posting:
What the does a scantily clad pinup girl have to do with sinking Battleships, Merchant ships, interception, shooting down airplanes? :hmm:


Anyway, Having guys posting overt female sexual stuff on a public forum isn't good and should be curtailed.




Not trying to be politically correct, just honest

hellas1
Hey Hellas,
Seeing that you have been here a short time, there are in fact a number of "Ladies" who are in this forum. Probably busy on Sh4 as we speak.
I think your use of pimps etc., was in jest. And I'm sure most here would feel that way.
As for pinups, they had been in use for a long time as morale boosters in the all Male navy...........times have changed by the PC world.....Don't think that's the best thing....there will always be a difference between genders.......and I love the difference.............
Personally I think you were trying to be PC or you never would have started using "pimp" in the first place

[heartc]

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I've noticed that the threads here run from great to bizarre

What the does a scantily clad pinup girl have to do with [...] airplanes? :hmm:

My idea was that this place was gender inclusive


Not trying to be politically correct

Now *that's* some bizarre sh!t, bro'. Relax. :cool:

[heartc]

....there will always be a difference between genders.......and I love the difference.............


Yeah. Sometimes the PC crowd scares me lol. No. Often. ;)

[Hylander_1314]

WWII. American Servicemen. Bette Grable, Yavonne DeCarlo, Carol Lumbard, just to name a few. Hubba hubba:up: No other service in the world had that much freedom. Look at some of the noseart that appeared on B-17's, and B-24's. There was a lot of area to cover on those planes.

[Camaero]

What I am about to post may be EXTREMELY offensive to some people. View at your own risk:

http://www.galbreath.net/bill/pinups/images/mosullivan1_jpg.jpg
http://www.galbreath.net/bill/pinups/images/avagardner7_jpg.jpg
http://armyaircorps.us/pictures/bettyleft.jpg
http://www.consolidatedmarkets.com/Sept49.jpg
http://www.consolidatedmarkets.com/Vargas_July.jpg
http://www.silverlake.magicplace.com/Smaller%20Photos%20for%20Web%20Page/Nose%20Art%205%20Shady%20Lady.jpg
http://www.silverlake.magicplace.com/Smaller%20Photos%20for%20Web%20Page/Nose%20Art%205%20Peace%20on%20Earth.jpg
http://www.silverlake.magicplace.com/Smaller%20Photos%20for%20Web%20Page/Nose%20Art%202%20Ponderous%20Peg.jpg
http://www.silverlake.magicplace.com/Smaller%20Photos%20for%20Web%20Page/Nose%20Art%202%20Wicked%20Wee.jpg
^^^ Thats a jug pilot... get it?


Sorry, but sexy woman and war just go too good together!:88)

[Reaves]

Hahah wicked wee.


But still, you should be banned! I can see her ankles!!!!!!


:up:

[GSpector]

For whom I perceive to be a guy standing up to defend women's dignity when no women have so much as made 1 complaint since I've been posting seems bizarre :hmm:

Now, if Avon Lady or Penelope Grey posts here, thanking you for standing up all women, I'll see your point but until that happens, just accept the fact that those here for whom are mostly guys, many with military back ground do prefer the settings on either their aircraft, subs or ships to look correct for the time period.

I am sure some here may want a picture of the latest playboy playmate on their sub but so far no one has posted that picture. What you do see are time period pictures. Pictures that at any given time on any given military craft, could have been found either stashed somewhere or out on display. Even the Army Air Corps / Air Force allowed pin ups to be painted on parts of plains and bombs. I figure if it was ok for the U.S. Military since WWI, why do you have a problem with it now. There are a lot worse things and people that came out of WWII that people don't promote here.

Now, it's possible that the women here may have, or wanted to swap out all the female pin ups on their subs for pics of guys but I doubt it. Though if they had a picture with the sailors on the bridge and a male pin up in the back ground, the 1st thing that would come to mind would be the Village People must be on patrol. :rotfl:

Now if a MOD could be made with an all female crew, I'd be happy. Though a mixed crew would not be historically correct but I would not complain about that either. :roll:

[SteamWake]

What I am about to post may be EXTREMELY offensive to some people. View at your own risk:

They mispelled piece.

[AVGWarhawk]

Uhmmmm....the pin up girls are certainly more tame then what is spread all over the internet/TV/magazines. In fact, the pin-up girls leave a lot to the imagination were as todays media leave nothing at all to the imagination. I have never heard a women complain about a pin-up girl from a era gone by. Now, lay out the latest from the adult video store or Penthouse....then you have an upset women on your hands.

As far as Pimp and Pimpette......call me what you want....just do not call me late for dinner;)

[Sailor Steve]

^^^ Thats a jug pilot... get it?
Somewhere in all my books I have a picture of a P-47 (Jug, 7-ton Milk Bottle, etc.), and the nose art is of a topless person of the female persuasion, and the name of the plane is 'Two Big and Too Heavy'.

[Beery]

Another example of wrong posting:
What the does a scantily clad pinup girl have to do with sinking Battleships, Merchant ships, interception, shooting down airplanes? :hmm:

A submarine that never had a pin-up is a sub that never had a crew.

[NEON DEON]

Another example of wrong posting:
What the does a scantily clad pinup girl have to do with sinking Battleships, Merchant ships, interception, shooting down airplanes? :hmm:

A submarine that never had a pin-up is a sub that never had a crew.

LOL!:lol:

The movie "Run Silent Run Deep" When battle stations sounded the crew would leave the mess and pat their Pin up Girl on her end as they made for their stations.
:ping: :ping: :ping:

[perisher]

It's realism:o

[hellas1]

Hello everyone,

I now consider the use of the phrase "pimps and pimpettes" to be wrong.

My point was this: "Use discretion when posting what you post. This is a public site, not private."

I want to hear what ladies, who have a presence here, think about this stuff. No poster in this thread said they were a woman.

hellas1

[AVGWarhawk]

Hello everyone,

I now consider the use of the phrase "pimps and pimpettes" to be wrong.

My point was this: "Use discretion when posting what you post. This is a public site, not private."

I want to hear what ladies, who have a presence here, think about this stuff. No poster in this thread said they were a woman.

hellas1
I often find that women interested in WW2 and it's history/machinery are not offended by a simple pin-up. Like most men, they are totally into the study of WW2 or totally not. Like my wife, "We are not watching another black and white bang bang movie again are we?" OK, totally not into it.

Now, Penelope Grey who plays SH3 is about 20 years old and smokes cigars. She has never found anything offending on the pin-up for the uboats. She is super nice to talk too. Again, if they are totally into it then it usually is not an issue.

Brings me to my question....You want to hear it from the ladies...to what end?

[heartc]

Hello everyone,

I now consider the use of the phrase "pimps and pimpettes" to be wrong.

My point was this: "Use discretion when posting what you post. This is a public site, not private."

I want to hear what ladies, who have a presence here, think about this stuff. No poster in this thread said they were a woman.

hellas1
I'm a woman. Happy now?

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Hey, this is "the internets". You can pretend to be anybody. ;)
Really man, there is some serious and gross stuff happening out there in this world. Your percieved discrimination against women on a subsim website is *not* one of them. Take a chill pill. ;) Or I will. I can't take much more of this, especially now that the thread was just headed the right way with some nice pics.
Is this how they indoctrinate people today in public schools? Look, the Nazis usually had no boobs on their airplanes, but children friendly Mickey Mouses, Teddy Bears and what not. Political Correctness right there. Sure the Nazi leaders got a huge bonus for that once in hell.

In fact, if I were a woman, by now I would probably be offended by being put into victimhood in such a moronic discussion. "Hey, are you not offended by boobs on a Thunderbolt? Are you not? Hey, speak up please, will ya? Are you not?" :rotfl:

Anyway. I like this one:

http://www.bombergirl.com/images/noseart/johndrum.jpg

[Beery]

I'll try to get my wife to post...

[Beery]

My wife (Elisabeth) writes:

So Beery got his wife to post cuz he said he'd forgive her for scraping the car against a pole....

Seriously, I think that the art is just that, art, and inspiring to those who view it. Who hasn't looked at a "buy war bonds" poster and thought about what it was like surrounded by that all the time? The art is gentler, pre-photo with stylized lines (even the "neked" bits). The judge who said you'd know porn if you saw it was right ~ otherwise it's good looking people on a piece of paper.

I also think that people had more freedom and could personalize their machines to humanize them; make them more a friend like many of us view our cars. However, nowadays almost nothing is personalized, which may be why it is such a shock to see military craft painted by hand and images from the imagination of those who flew or cared for the machines.

How many people have tried to paint something recently?

Regarding pimps or pimpettes, my only question is whether those are equal careers that pay the same?

[Beery]

Note: she did not just 'scrape' the car against a pole. She managed to jam the pole into the car so hard that the panel has to be beaten back out again, filled and repainted.:damn:

But I forgive her. :yep:

[U56_Dragon]

I agree with the historic effect here. Our men went to battle with many female art forms. Wether it be on the nose of aircraft, on the ship, or on the ground.
It is HISTORY, I have yet to see any crude links or pics from this site.
I myself love the girl art from the wars.
If you want to be historically correct, it happened, and that is the way it was and is.
I see no harm in this action to post pics from the history we all know here.
Just my opinion only, no harm is meant by how I feel.

[GSpector]

Not sure, but after reading hellas1's post's, I can't help but get the feeling that he'd really get bent out of shape if we had pics with a Swastika on it, claiming that it is a hateful symbol and it should not be used because it "may" offend someone here.

What may not seem appropriate today, does not change the fact that it was still part of history. It was this thinking that caused Sim Developers to not use the historic symbol on German WW2 aircraft (without a MOD or patch) cough..UBI..cough.

Same thinking caused museums to paint over the Swastika on historic aircraft.

Again, my point is, just because it may not be acceptable now, does not change the fact that it's historic. As long as the pin ups and even the Swastika are used in the proper context for the time period, I'm 100% in favor of them in Sims.

[Beery]

I must admit to being sympathetic to the OP's overall motivation. While I'm 100% for realism, I still abhor the notion that any segment of the population should be treated differently/poorly because of skin colour, sex or any other superficial difference. But one of the great things about historical simulations is that they often show the naive and reactionary nature of such prejudices. When we can compare our modern life with a simulation of a world of years ago we often see how plain stupid rules based on prejudice can be. Historical simulations can bring these issues to life in a way that no book or film can do.

On the specific issue of sex/nudity though, I take issue with the OP's stance. Nudity is not wrong, nor is sex. The portrayal of females in a state of undress demeans the female only in a mind that is already corrupted in some puerile way. The unclothed female form is demeaning to no female, just as the unclothed male form is demeaning to no male. The human form is beautiful because it is natural. 1940s nose art and pin-ups were a celebration of beauty, not an exercise in debauchery.

[Camaero]

Anyway. I like this one:

http://www.bombergirl.com/images/noseart/johndrum.jpg[/QUOTE]


I have a workshirt with that nose art on it! It rocks!:rock:

[sqk7744]

What I am about to post may be EXTREMELY offensive to some people. View at your own risk:

^^ Thats a jug pilot... get it?
Sorry, but sexy woman and war just go too good together!:88)
Camaero, I am terribly offended....that you cut your presentation short ;)

Thanks for sharing :up:

[Camaero]

What I am about to post may be EXTREMELY offensive to some people. View at your own risk:

^^ Thats a jug pilot... get it?
Sorry, but sexy woman and war just go too good together!:88)
Camaero, I am terribly offended....that you cut your presentation short ;)

Thanks for sharing :up:

I was about to release Rita Hayworth on this thread but I didn't want to give anyone a heart attack so I backed off a little. :doh:

"Put the blame on me, boys! Put the blame on me!" If you don't know what I am talking about then go rent Gilda! (Unless of course you are hellas1:rotfl: just poking a little fun:lol: )

[sqk7744]

What I am about to post may be EXTREMELY offensive to some people. View at your own risk:

^^ Thats a jug pilot... get it?
Sorry, but sexy woman and war just go too good together!:88)
Camaero, I am terribly offended....that you cut your presentation short ;)

Thanks for sharing :up:
I was about to release Rita Hayworth on this thread but I didn't want to give anyone a heart attack so I backed off a little. :doh:

"Put the blame on me, boys! Put the blame on me!" If you don't know what I am talking about then go rent Gilda! (Unless of course you are hellas1:rotfl: just poking a little fun:lol: )
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