IRL (dumb?) question

[deamyont]

Did U-boats bring any few small arms with it on a patrol, such as an MP-40 or so?

[Morts]

i think they did
and they had 2 mg34s in the conning tower

[Brag]

They carried a few Schmeisers, some pistols and a few rifles. LOL the MP 40s wouldn't be produced for another 40 or so years.

At the beginning of the war boarding parties would inspect neutral ships for contraband cargo. This practice was soon discontinued.

[melnibonian]

They had fire arms and sub-machine guns to protect themselves from boarding parties and to give them protection when they boarded enemy ships. I don't know how many they had but I doubt there were enough for the whole crew.

[dcb]

I remember in Das Boot, when the chief machinist (Wolfgang IIRC) goes crazy, Der Alte comes with a revolver ready to shoot him.

[Henri II]

They carried a few Schmeisers, some pistols and a few rifles. LOL the MP 40s wouldn't be produced for another 40 or so years.

Just a nitpick, but the thing that is usually called a "Schmeisser" was the MP 40, curiously Schmeisser himself was not even involved in its development.

[Morts]

I remember in Das Boot, when the chief machinist (Wolfgang IIRC) goes crazy, Der Alte comes with a revolver ready to shoot him.

it wasnt a revolver
it was a walter p38

[dcb]

it was a walter p38

Right. And I found something interesting about it.
Taken from IMDB.com
"Anachronisms: In one scene the Skipper goes to his cabin and retrieves his service pistol, a 9mm P.38 Walther. The weapon in the movie is actually a post-war Iterarms version sold in the sixties and seventies."

[P_Funk]

Well to be honest alot of authentic things from WW2 are hard to get.

If it looks good enough to pass inspection at a glance for all 12 seconds that its visible then I don't think it matters which decade its from.

We could also say:

Anachronism: None of the actors in the movie actually served in WW2 and the entire production is not real footage of a u-boat.:rotfl:

[Brag]

Well to be honest alot of authentic things from WW2 are hard to get.

If it looks good enough to pass inspection at a glance for all 12 seconds that its visible then I don't think it matters which decade its from.

We could also say:

Anachronism: None of the actors in the movie actually served in WW2 and the entire production is not real footage of a u-boat.:rotfl:

:eek: Are you saying Das Boot is fake? OMG, OMG, ach du lieber, someone hand me an authentic P-38 so I can shoot myself!!!

[Morts]

here ya go *hands brag a walter p38* have fun now:rotfl:

[P_Funk]

Ins't it Walther? I'm sorry but I just can't imagine a dangerous gun being made by a guy named Walter.

[rb4door]

sorry to hijak, but since we are asking questions about IRL - in Das Boot, what were the red and blue lights which flashed alternately just above the helmsman, mounted on the bulkhead?

They seemed to flash fast sometimes, and slowly other times.

[Kaleun Cook]

I think - but I don't know for sure - they indicated either the change of the speed or the rudder. I remember one scene, probably from the longest version, in which there's a diesel command and when the bald guy sets the machines to the desired speed the lights flash.

[rb4door]

ahhh ok - I might have a better insight into it if I actually knew what they were saying - I got the 4.5 hour original mini-series, german only, no subtitles. I can pickup a occasional commands and words in the sub just from what i've learnt from German on SH3, but no doubt 90% of whats being said I have no idea about.

Does anyone also know what the bulb fixed to some mechanical device was? I believe it was in the command room, somewhere slightly aft, perhaps behind the conning tower ladder. It seemed to have bubbling water in it, and it was being studied by the Kaleun and another officer when something suddenly goes wrong.

[deamyont]

LOL the MP 40s wouldn't be produced for another 40 or so years.
http://www.axishistory.com/fileadmin/user_upload/w/wss-mp40.jpg
http://xww2.bf1942files.com/main_site/mp40.jpg

LOL yourself, this is what I ment.

[kurtz]

Thanks to that superb anthology 'Destroyer' (edited by Ian Hawkins) I have an answer;
on the 9th May U101 (Kapitanleutnant Julius Kemp of the Athenia infamy) was brought to the surface by HMS Bulldog and boarded by a party led by Sub-Lieutenant Balme RN. This was the truning point in the Altlantic war as an enigma machine and 6 week's worth of settings was captured... any way from Balme's report, "one tommy gun was found in officers clothes drawer, another was found in the lower control tower with an anti tank type of rifle."

The tommy gun may have been a schmeiser/MP40 or perhaps less likely that rather nice assault rifle some german units had (can't remember the name I'll repost when I do) and as for the anti tank rifle I've no idea perhaps for disposing of mines? however the RN used Lee-enfield .303s for this.

Hope this helps a bit the original document as well as being in the above book is also in HM's Public records office ref ADM/1/1113377151 and has apparently only been declassified comparatively recently.

Mike

[rb4door]

seems there is different opinions on that - I have watched documentary material and WWII experts talk about the Kriegsmarine Enigma, and while it definately aided things, it wasnt the "turning point" of the war alot of people think it was.

[kurtz]

Yes sorry, giving an opinion as fact there.

The tommy gun looky like I was thinking of was the MP44/Stg44

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmgewehr_44

Take a look does, does it remind you of anything?

Mike

[fair_weather]

Don't need to click the link to tell you it looks like an AK-47 ;)

And the AK-47 was based off that, atleast from what I've heard.

[Morts]

Thanks to that superb anthology 'Destroyer' (edited by Ian Hawkins) I have an answer;
on the 9th May U101 (Kapitanleutnant Julius Kemp of the Athenia infamy) was brought to the surface by HMS Bulldog and boarded by a party led by Sub-Lieutenant Balme RN. This was the truning point in the Altlantic war as an enigma machine and 6 week's worth of settings was captured... any way from Balme's report, "one tommy gun was found in officers clothes drawer, another was found in the lower control tower with an anti tank type of rifle."

The tommy gun may have been a schmeiser/MP40 or perhaps less likely that rather nice assault rifle some german units had (can't remember the name I'll repost when I do) and as for the anti tank rifle I've no idea perhaps for disposing of mines? however the RN used Lee-enfield .303s for this.

Hope this helps a bit the original document as well as being in the above book is also in HM's Public records office ref ADM/1/1113377151 and has apparently only been declassified comparatively recently.

Mike
it was U-110 and fritz-julius Lemp not kemp;)

i couldn resist correcting it:rotfl:

[Brag]

LOL the MP 40s wouldn't be produced for another 40 or so years.
http://www.axishistory.com/fileadmin/user_upload/w/wss-mp40.jpg
http://xww2.bf1942files.com/main_site/mp40.jpg

LOL yourself, this is what I ment.

:oops: I gotta apologize :oops: :oops: :oops: