Great - NASA now up for a whacko visit

[SUBMAN1]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/20/nasa.gunfire/index.html

[Letum]

sheesh! It's almost enough to make you think public gun ownership ain't a good idea!

[SUBMAN1]

sheesh! It's almost enough to make you think public gun ownership ain't a good idea!
Quite the contrary. Makes me want more to protect myself. Take mine away, and the whacked out ones will be the only people with a gun! The UK is the best example of that with their crack underground.

[STEED]

NASA. :huh:

I don't know.


What would be the case if it was the IRS?

[SUBMAN1]

NASA. :huh:

I don't know.


What would be the case if it was the IRS?

Hmm, but that would be a good thing, no? :D Maybe not, because they would loose my return and tell me I owe them $50K or something.

-S

[down and out]

sheesh! It's almost enough to make you think public gun ownership ain't a good idea!
Quite the contrary. Makes me want more to protect myself. Take mine away, and the whacked out ones will be the only people with a gun! The UK is the best example of that with their crack underground.

?????????

Most gun crime in the UK is criminal on criminal usually drug related

Isnt a fraction anywhere near the events in the US

[Oberon]

It isn't Neal trying to force NASA into launching SUBSIM1, the Radio Room's major communications satellite and orbital weapons platform?

[STEED]

It isn't Neal trying to force NASA into launching SUBSIM1, the Radio Room's major communications satellite and orbital weapons platform?

Are crud you told the world our master plan. :damn:

Good job we got plan B. :shifty: ;)

[Letum]

sheesh! It's almost enough to make you think public gun ownership ain't a good idea!
Quite the contrary. Makes me want more to protect myself. Take mine away, and the whacked out ones will be the only people with a gun! The UK is the best example of that with their crack underground.

Your right! The only way to solve gun crime is by arming more people!

I'm sure if we looked at gun crime statistics for countries with and without guns the countries with the most guns would have the least gun crime! It makes total sense.

[Oberon]

It isn't Neal trying to force NASA into launching SUBSIM1, the Radio Room's major communications satellite and orbital weapons platform?

Are crud you told the world our master plan. :damn:

Good job we got plan B. :shifty: ;)

http://users.adelphia.net/~33h3q/shark.jpg

[P_Funk]

A NASA spokesperson told CNN that all employees have been told to go home for the day.
Maybe they've learned something already.:yep:

[Letum]

It isn't Neal trying to force NASA into launching SUBSIM1, the Radio Room's major communications satellite and orbital weapons platform?

And thats just to host the dead cat topic! ;)

[STEED]

It isn't Neal trying to force NASA into launching SUBSIM1, the Radio Room's major communications satellite and orbital weapons platform?

Are crud you told the world our master plan. :damn:

Good job we got plan B. :shifty: ;)

http://users.adelphia.net/~33h3q/shark.jpg

You done it again. :damn: :damn:

Plan C.

[SUBMAN1]

sheesh! It's almost enough to make you think public gun ownership ain't a good idea!
Quite the contrary. Makes me want more to protect myself. Take mine away, and the whacked out ones will be the only people with a gun! The UK is the best example of that with their crack underground.
Your right! The only way to solve gun crime is by arming more people!

I'm sure if we looked at gun crime statistics for countries with and without guns the countries with the most guns would have the least gun crime! It makes total sense.

No. I think it has to do with the US itself. Our driving society (much harder driving that Europe) doesn't take the time out for friends and family. We are always in such a rush. I am not even sure parents see their children anymore - they just turn on the electronic babysitter. THis is what I think the real problem is. And yes, I want to be armed in a society that drives us into workaholics or crazy - you pick. The people who don't pick end up homeless. Welcome to the US of A. 40 hours a week is a joke. Last I heard, the average was getting closer to 55 to 60. You can go home at 40 hours a week, but you won't have a job long, or you will never be promoted. And vacation is dwindling too. Europe and even Canada take long vacations every year. They have shutdowns, where that is unheard of in the US. In the US, you are even looked down upon for even mentioning you want to take a week, even if it is your right!

And you wonder why we have problems. We've given up the ghost in the name of productivity. SOmething tells me this great nation can't keep this up forever since it is showing signs of crumbling.

-S

[Letum]

sheesh! It's almost enough to make you think public gun ownership ain't a good idea!
Quite the contrary. Makes me want more to protect myself. Take mine away, and the whacked out ones will be the only people with a gun! The UK is the best example of that with their crack underground.
Your right! The only way to solve gun crime is by arming more people!

I'm sure if we looked at gun crime statistics for countries with and without guns the countries with the most guns would have the least gun crime! It makes total sense.
No. I think it has to do with the US itself. Our driving society (much harder driving that Europe) doesn't take the time out for friends and family. We are always in such a rush. I am not even sure parents see their children anymore - they just turn on the electronic babysitter. THis is what I think the real problem is. And yes, I want to be armed in a society that drives us into workaholics or crazy - you pick. The people who don't pick end up homeless. Welcome to the US of A. 40 hours a week is a joke. Last I heard, the average was getting closer to 55 to 60. You can go home at 40 hours a week, but you won't have a job long, or you will never be promoted. And vacation is dwindling too. Europe and even Canada take long vacations every year. They have shutdowns, where that is unheard of in the US. In the US, you are even looked down upon for even mentioning you want to take a week, even if it is your right!

And you wonder why we have problems. We've given up the ghost in the name of productivity. SOmething tells me this great nation can't keep this up forever since it is showing signs of crumbling.

-S


So whilst America is going through the troubled time you describe, where kids grow up angry and confused after the breakdown of the family and where office workers could snap at any moment from the strains of overwork and lack of friends and holidays, its a good idea to give these same people guns so that they don't shoot each other?

[fredbass]

gunman shot himself after killing one male hostage, FYI.

[Tchocky]

I'm sure if we looked at gun crime statistics for countries with and without guns the countries with the most guns would have the least gun crime! It makes total sense.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=424349&postcount=49

[SUBMAN1]

So whilst America is going through the troubled time you describe, where kids grow up angry and confused after the breakdown of the family and where office workers could snap at any moment from the strains of overwork and lack of friends and holidays, its a good idea to give these same people guns so that they don't shoot each other?
Yes, so that maybe they get rid of each other! :D On the more serious side though, even if you try and take mine away, these people will still be able to get them. You guys in the UK have cheaper guns than us even for example! :D So no matter how much you guys like the idea of having no guns, I am beginning to think they are all around you anyway, just that you can't see it.

-S

[fatty]

After this tragedy it is clear that we must equip all NASA employees with sidearms.

[Yahoshua]

Where were the security guards in all this mess?

[waste gate]

Where were the security guards in all this mess?

Like the police the 'security guards' will show up after the fact.

[ASWnut101]

Where were the security guards in all this mess?


The cafeteria, eating doughnuts and drinking coffee. Where else? :D

[geetrue]

Where were the security guards in all this mess?

I use to work in Seabrook, Texas which is about 8 miles from NASA ... friday would find most security guards thinking about, well you know, friday. :yep:

[sonar732]

I guess all te security at the Cape isn't needed at Johnson?:nope::nope:

It cracked me up to see that Houson's SWAT team was called.:o:o

[Letum]

So whilst America is going through the troubled time you describe, where kids grow up angry and confused after the breakdown of the family and where office workers could snap at any moment from the strains of overwork and lack of friends and holidays, its a good idea to give these same people guns so that they don't shoot each other?
Yes, so that maybe they get rid of each other! :D On the more serious side though, even if you try and take mine away, these people will still be able to get them. You guys in the UK have cheaper guns than us even for example! :D So no matter how much you guys like the idea of having no guns, I am beginning to think they are all around you anyway, just that you can't see it.

-S
Do you think if the UK had more guns, our gun crime rate would be even lower?

*edit*
I'm sure if we looked at gun crime statistics for countries with and without guns the countries with the most guns would have the least gun crime! It makes total sense.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=424349&postcount=49

no kidding!? ;)

[bradclark1]

No. I think it has to do with the US itself. Our driving society (much harder driving that Europe) doesn't take the time out for friends and family. We are always in such a rush. I am not even sure parents see their children anymore - they just turn on the electronic babysitter. THis is what I think the real problem is. And yes, I want to be armed in a society that drives us into workaholics or crazy - you pick. The people who don't pick end up homeless. Welcome to the US of A. 40 hours a week is a joke. Last I heard, the average was getting closer to 55 to 60. You can go home at 40 hours a week, but you won't have a job long, or you will never be promoted. And vacation is dwindling too. Europe and even Canada take long vacations every year. They have shutdowns, where that is unheard of in the US. In the US, you are even looked down upon for even mentioning you want to take a week, even if it is your right!

And you wonder why we have problems. We've given up the ghost in the name of productivity. SOmething tells me this great nation can't keep this up forever since it is showing signs of crumbling.

-S
You are so on the dime! (That means spot on)

[SUBMAN1]

Do you think if the UK had more guns, our gun crime rate would be even lower?
Yes. Your violent crime is 5 times higher than the US according to the US Supreme courts website. Link is posted here somewhere in the generals thread, but can't find it.

no kidding!? ;)
The fact yours is rising and that there is gun crime at all in the UK goes to show you that your policy of taking them away is not working. Couple that to your 5x crime rate, and you have the makings of a really bad place to live. Bury your head in the sand if you want.

-S

PS. One more thought - I know you are trying to justify your governments idea of taking away your firearms, but I really think you should take a step back and see what this has really brought you. From what I see, it is not pretty over there, and you gun problem is going to get worse by the day.

[SUBMAN1]

You are so on the dime! (That means spot on)
Thanks - that is just the tip of the iceberg too. Don't get me started on the phycologist push for positive only - this is why we have threads like the 'Hell' one.

Just remember, phycologist is the long way of saying phyco. That is in phyco crazy ideas.

-S

[GlobalExplorer]

According to this statistics, murder per capita is four times as high in the US compared with Germany, and three times as high as in the UK.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita

Though I must admit I expected the figures for the US to be much higher.

[SUBMAN1]

According to this statistics, murder per capita is four times as high in the US compared with Germany, and three times as high as in the UK.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita

Though I must admit I expected the figures for the US to be much higher.


Violent crime in general however is flip flopped. 5x higher in the UK. Dunno about Germany in that regard though.

I am not sure where these people are being murdered though. I assume it is gang related because no one hears about it, so it is probably about people no one cares about. I'm lucky if one murder shows on the TV news per year.

-S

[GlobalExplorer]

Violent crime in general however is flip flopped. 5x higher in the UK.

I`d really like to see your sources on that.

Dunno about Germany in that regard though.

Crime figures are rising thats for sure, and that might be more important than absolute numbers.

If you avoid typical hotspot areas in big cities, especially at night, you are safe (like that girl was killed in Berlin Neukölln). Of course it is linked with foreigner rate, but only if there is high unemployment. At the moment I live in a bavarian small town that has extremely high foreigner rate, but it`s very safe, as everyone has an income.

[Tchocky]

Violent crime in general however is flip flopped. 5x higher in the UK. Dunno about Germany in that regard though. What's your source on this? You keep mentioning it, and hav done so on other threads.

And we've been here before (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=425311&postcount=95)

[Tchocky]

Thanks - that is just the tip of the iceberg too. Don't get me started on the phycologist push for positive only - this is why we have threads like the 'Hell' one.

Just remember, phycologist is the long way of saying phyco. That is in phyco crazy ideas.
Psychologist? Psycho?

Pardon the pun, but mental health isn't crazy. It's a very serious issue, and it doesnt help to label those who study the human mind "phycos", whatever the hell they are.

[fatty]

Thanks - that is just the tip of the iceberg too. Don't get me started on the phycologist push for positive only - this is why we have threads like the 'Hell' one.

Just remember, phycologist is the long way of saying phyco. That is in phyco crazy ideas.
Psychologist? Psycho?

Pardon the pun, but mental health isn't crazy. It's a very serious issue, and it doesnt help to label those who study the human mind "phycos", whatever the hell they are.

Fun facts:
Phycology (or algology), a subdiscipline of botany, is the scientific study of algae. Algae are important as primary producers in aquatic ecosystems. Most algae are eukaryotic, photosynthetic organisms that live in a wet environment. They are distinguished from the higher plants by a lack of true roots, stems or leaves. Many species are single-celled and microscopic (including phytoplankton and other microalgae); many others are multicellular to one degree or another, some of these growing to large size (for example, seaweeds such as kelp and Sargassum).

Phycology also includes the study of prokaryotic forms known as blue-green algae or cyanobacteria. A number of microscopic algae also occur as symbionts in Lichens.

A phycologist is a person who studies algae as described above. In a similar manner, a mycologist is a person who has been professionally trained in mycology, the study of fungi.

[Tchocky]

Cheers fatty :up:

SUBMAN, it looks like I'm picking on you. I didn't intend that.

From here (http://www.crimereduction.gov.uk/statistics/statistics50.htm)

Violent crime as measured by the BCS has fallen by 43% since a peak in 1995.

[SUBMAN1]

Cheers fatty :up:

SUBMAN, it looks like I'm picking on you. I didn't intend that.

From here (http://www.crimereduction.gov.uk/statistics/statistics50.htm)

Violent crime as measured by the BCS has fallen by 43% since a peak in 1995.
No biggie. I don't think you are picking on me. I just think you have your views, which is your right to have. I have mine.

Also, from what I read about the UK, the way the police went about showing crime dropping was to change the way it was collected to a less accurate and less result. I need to find some articles on this, but I am too busy playing SHIV to give it much time. :D Give me time to get this together. Maybe tomorrow.

Until that time, here is 5 pages to chew on:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2005/01/23/do2302.xml

I particulary enjoy the arguments made by the gun control people and how they never panned out. Seems to parallel many false thoughts on this board about how blood will spill if we have everyone with guns!

-S

PS. Even he mentions that in 2005, you were still 3x higher than the US on violent crime.

[GlobalExplorer]

As far as I know every unbiased research into the issue so far has showed that crime rates in the USA are stellar compared to ours. Of course these kind of truisms are dangerous, and the question is open for discussion, but it takes more than just a single article, written by an Englishman in a self-critical mood, to convince me.

[SUBMAN1]

As far as I know every unbiased research into the issue so far has showed that crime rates in the USA are stellar compared to ours. Of course these kind of truisms are dangerous, and the question is open for discussion, but it takes more than just a single article, written by an Englishman in a self-critical mood, to convince me.
As I said before, it is just the opposite. I am talking the UK though. I do not have German information. Also, there are more articles, it just takes time to dig them up one more time for one more thread. I've been busy playing SHIV so I have not spent much time on it lately. I'll get around to it.

-S

PS. Spending 2 seconds on Google can give you some numbers that you may find interesting. Seems Germany has 2x our violent crime rate too:

Here are Interpol 2001 crime statistics (rate per 100,000):


4161 - US
7736 - Germany
6941 - France
9927 - England and Wales Thus the US has a substantially lower crime rate than the major European countries!
Here are the Interpol 1995 crime statistics (rate per 100,000):


5278 - US
8179 - Germany
6316 - France
7206 - England & Wales

[SUBMAN1]

This one is interesting. Seems firearm crime is on the way up - way beyond that of when they actually took away guns from UK'rs, and is getting worse by the year:

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/2396/firearmsinukcrimegd5.gif

Those are starting to look like US figures!