View Full Version : SHIV at 1280x1024 and AA
gorgeous...
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/3974/fs2xs2.th.jpg (http://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fs2xs2.jpg)
AVGWarhawk
04-17-07, 09:08 AM
Very nice!
Uber Gruber
04-17-07, 09:09 AM
Nice!....Now crank up the resolution a wee bit :yep:
Showers thread with beer!
:arrgh!:
Strikor
04-17-07, 09:11 AM
Oh my. That's pretty.
letterboy1
04-17-07, 09:16 AM
How much FSAA?
some more with 8xAA ;)
http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/3518/fs4jk4.th.jpg (http://img366.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fs4jk4.jpg)
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/4678/fs5of2.th.jpg (http://img20.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fs5of2.jpg)
I think it's a serious improvement. SHIV looks much better now. Everyone can look forward to this.
Okay, I'm going to get myself some beers to celebrate that the edges are gone forever...:arrgh!:
has the new patch seperated some graphical options out so those of us with lesser systems can see some eye candy without dreadful fps?
Galanti
04-17-07, 09:31 AM
how bad is the framerate hit? And dammit, I can't see imageshack hosted pics from work!
From the bow at Pearl: ATI Radeon X800 pro, FSAA 4x, no post process
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/9730/testshot1hj2.jpg
FooFighters
04-17-07, 09:33 AM
oh man.. why am I at work now..
I want to go home :cry:
No more edges.. I love SH-IV :D
Looking at sub at dock: No post process, FSAA 4x
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/3457/testshot2su7.jpg
mookiemookie
04-17-07, 09:36 AM
Oh man...both my bosses are out sick today.
I may be getting a touch of something myself ;)
letterboy1
04-17-07, 09:46 AM
Gildor, why no post process? Preference or does FSAA disable it?
BlackSpot
04-17-07, 10:04 AM
good screens. I notice you're getting the green border around the edges of the screen also.
Gildor, why no post process? Preference or does FSAA disable it?
my preference.
I have that green line around the edge only when i use FSAA it seems.
BlackSpot
04-17-07, 10:09 AM
Post processing also effects the FPS. Not much but it does eat some.
Arrowhead2k1
04-17-07, 10:12 AM
This is sweet. Finally I can bring some life to my desktop with this thing.
http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/3244/wpod2.th.jpg (http://img243.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wpod2.jpg)
:cool:
stuntcow
04-17-07, 10:15 AM
Great shots, Thanks for the pics. Now just have to make it the rest of the day at work.....:cry:
Unless.....:hmm: One of my kids get sick and have to come home.......:hmm:
Barkhorn1x
04-17-07, 10:20 AM
Very Nice!!
Hans Schultz
04-17-07, 10:36 AM
looks very crisp!
Uber Gruber
04-17-07, 10:46 AM
Oh my! Great Pics!
I hadn't realised SHIV was a sub game until now!
I'm pretty sure AA isn't working. None of the screenshots show AA working, and I can't seem to force it on mine either.
Boris, FSAA works just fine now after the patch, I can confirm this. Just take a look at the screenshots.
:doh:
Well, I'm sure I can't force it because it's not working.
Plus all of the shots show jaggies that should be gone with AA. This can be seen on the cables on the subs and ships. If there are pixelated breaks in the cables (which there are), then AA isn't working.
Not meaning to sound to negative, it looks a hell of a lot better with higher resolutions now, but I'm yet to be convinced about the AA.
Safe-Keeper
04-17-07, 11:04 AM
Can someone post before-and-after shots?
Barkhorn1x
04-17-07, 11:05 AM
Well, I'm sure I can't force it because it's not working.
Plus all of the shots show jaggies that should be gone with AA. This can be seen on the cables on the subs and ships. If there are pixelated breaks in the cables (which there are), then AA isn't working.
Not meaning to sound to negative, it looks a hell of a lot better with higher resolutions now, but I'm yet to be convinced about the AA.
Isn't FSAA now a checkbox/drop-down on the SHIV graphics options screen? If that is the case then don't try to force it, just got to your vid card set-up menu, set FSAA to "Application Controlled" - then set in SHIV and you should be good to go.
cowboys98
04-17-07, 11:07 AM
where in the graphics option you turn aa on,well i dont see anything with aa there in the graphics options?
Isn't FSAA now a checkbox/drop-down on the SHIV graphics options screen? If that is the case then don't try to force it, just got to your vid card set-up menu, set FSAA to "Application Controlled" - then set in SHIV and you should be good to go.
I can't see any FSAA checkbox/dropdown option in the graphics option page.
Has anyone else got this ?
No idea how to set FSAA. Anyone help ?
Thanks,
Kevin.
dreamweaver
04-17-07, 11:10 AM
Well, I'm sure I can't force it because it's not working.
Plus all of the shots show jaggies that should be gone with AA. This can be seen on the cables on the subs and ships. If there are pixelated breaks in the cables (which there are), then AA isn't working.
Not meaning to sound to negative, it looks a hell of a lot better with higher resolutions now, but I'm yet to be convinced about the AA.
It depends of how much AA you force. With 4xAA you can still see some jaggies at 1280x1024. But it is much better now. Higher AA is nice but it kills the FPS.
Can someone post a shot of SH4 on full AA then?
Here's what full ATI 6x temporal AA looks like on mine when it's working. I used Il2 as an example:
[/URL]http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/6266/plane2am5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Notice the cables on the aircraft, and how they look at a greater distance:
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/4339/plane1sg7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Now what it looks like in SH4 with the same AA settings:
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/3374/ship1ly1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
[URL="http://imageshack.us"]http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/6295/ship2qv2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
As you can see, SH4 isn't affected by the driver-forced AA settings at all.
Lt. Staumeier
04-17-07, 11:22 AM
Posting screenies in a sec...in game now taking them.
Well, I'm sure I can't force it because it's not working.
Plus all of the shots show jaggies that should be gone with AA. This can be seen on the cables on the subs and ships. If there are pixelated breaks in the cables (which there are), then AA isn't working.
Errr....no. FSAA does not magically remove ALL jaggies, it depends on the resolution and the factor of AA how smooth the grafics will appear.
On my system forcing FSAA via the NVIDIA control panel works just fine, this is a shot at 1024x768 resolution, with 4xFSAA. You still see some minor jaggies, but that's to be expected at that res. It doesn't detract from the fact that FSAA now works with SH4.
@ Boris: why do you use temporal AA? Did you try to force normal 4x/8x FSAA?
http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/8205/sh4nj2tj0.th.jpg (http://img238.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sh4nj2tj0.jpg)
Faamecanic
04-17-07, 11:26 AM
VERY NICE!!!! INDEED. I cant wait!
Well, I'm sure I can't force it because it's not working.
Plus all of the shots show jaggies that should be gone with AA. This can be seen on the cables on the subs and ships. If there are pixelated breaks in the cables (which there are), then AA isn't working.
Errr....no. FSAA does not magically remove ALL jaggies, it depends on the resolution and the factor of AA how smooth the grafics will appear.
On my system forcing FSAA via the NVIDIA control panel works just fine, this is a shot at 1024x768 resolution, with 4xFSAA. You still see some minor jaggies, but that's to be expected at that res. It doesn't detract from the fact that FSAA now works with SH4.
http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/8205/sh4nj2tj0.th.jpg (http://img238.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sh4nj2tj0.jpg)
Ok, so why does it work for you and not for me? :damn:
flintlock
04-17-07, 11:30 AM
Looks a lot better now (in ref to PB's screen above).
On a side note, the forums sure are taking a beating at the moment ... very slow.
Gizzmoe
04-17-07, 11:32 AM
Ok, so why does it work for you and not for me? :damn:
Old video driver perhaps?
Barkhorn1x
04-17-07, 11:32 AM
Isn't FSAA now a checkbox/drop-down on the SHIV graphics options screen? If that is the case then don't try to force it, just got to your vid card set-up menu, set FSAA to "Application Controlled" - then set in SHIV and you should be good to go.
I can't see any FSAA checkbox/dropdown option in the graphics option page.
Has anyone else got this ?
No idea how to set FSAA. Anyone help ?
Thanks,
Kevin.
Hmmm...looks like you MUST "force" it then via the GPU menu.
NICE pick ParaB!! :yep:
Bilge_Rat
04-17-07, 11:33 AM
sweet!:up:
Commander_Data
04-17-07, 11:36 AM
I cant see any options in SHIV to toggle or adjust AA? Is the only way to use AA, to force them?
Ok, so why does it work for you and not for me? :damn:
Old video driver perhaps?
Unfortunately not, I'm on 7.3
I might try going to older drivers...
dreamweaver
04-17-07, 11:38 AM
I cant see any options in SHIV to toggle or adjust AA? Is the only way to use AA, to force them?
Yes. There is no option in SH4. But where is the problem to use your driver? I always use the driver to set AA and AF.
Boris: again, why do you use temporal AA? I always thought there were problems with temp aa and low-ish (<50) FPS. Did you try it with normal FSAA?
basilio
04-17-07, 11:39 AM
Ok, so why does it work for you and not for me? :damn:
Old video driver perhaps?
I hope this is not an ATI issue (like the missing sun glare).
Anyone with an ATI card: could you post some comparison pictures?
I'll do it when I'll be back from work (still have some screenshots from the patch 1.1-will post comparison pictures with patch 1.2)
Lt. Staumeier
04-17-07, 11:45 AM
Here we go:
No FSAA, 1280x1024:
http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/8007/badsp0.jpg
8xS FSAA, 1280x1024:
http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/1083/goodnr2.jpg
DISTINCT difference, don't you say? Now, this is on an NVidia 6800 GT with FORCED FSAA. There's no menu setting.
what are you guys getting for frame rates with FSAA? i seem to be getting between 25 and 30, closer to 24-25 when in the ports... seems kinda low, but i dont have anything to compair it to.....
Lt. Staumeier
04-17-07, 11:57 AM
My system is old and crumbling. I get 15-17 FPS without and about 2-7 FPS with >.<
Ok, I didn't change my drivers, but I played around with the resolutions a bit and I found out a few things.
temporal, or no temporal AA, or 2x 4x or 6x, won't work for me on my native resolution of 1680x1050
It does however work on every resolution below that... go figure :-?
I guess now I have to decide if I wan't to play at my native res without, or at lower res's with AA.
Has anyone been able to apply AA to 1680x1050?
Commander_Data
04-17-07, 12:30 PM
Can confirm that 8xAA works on 1280x1024. Have some damn nice fps aswell. ~85fps.
But the studdering is back it seams? :damn:
Rig:
E6600
2 Gb memory
Geforce 8800 GTS 640mb
micky1up
04-17-07, 12:31 PM
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/C:\Users\Michael\Desktop\sh4.jpg
XanderF
04-17-07, 12:31 PM
Honestly, when buying an LCD, that's why I went with a 1280x1024 display instead of 1680x1050.
There are just so many problems with widescreen displays and gaming still, it's just not worth the headache.
(Plus, to play "the latest games" at native res takes much more expensive and frequent upgrades to handle 1680x1050 vs 1280x1024 ;) )
Chuck B.
04-17-07, 12:41 PM
Honestly, when buying an LCD, that's why I went with a 1280x1024 display instead of 1680x1050.
There are just so many problems with widescreen displays and gaming still, it's just not worth the headache.
(Plus, to play "the latest games" at native res takes much more expensive and frequent upgrades to handle 1680x1050 vs 1280x1024 ;) )
I think a good advice is to get a LCD that has a "standard" resolution on the Y-axis (1024, 1200, etc.). That way, if the widescreen resolution is not supporter, you can always "fall back" to one of the standard resolutions (1280x1024, 1600x1200) and only "suffer" the black bars to the left and right.
This problem with WS monitors will disappear with time, but it's still happening from time to time (especially, and unfixable, for older games).
sandbag69
04-17-07, 12:56 PM
Honestly, when buying an LCD, that's why I went with a 1280x1024 display instead of 1680x1050.
There are just so many problems with widescreen displays and gaming still, it's just not worth the headache.
(Plus, to play "the latest games" at native res takes much more expensive and frequent upgrades to handle 1680x1050 vs 1280x1024 ;) )
I think a good advice is to get a LCD that has a "standard" resolution on the Y-axis (1024, 1200, etc.). That way, if the widescreen resolution is not supporter, you can always "fall back" to one of the standard resolutions (1280x1024, 1600x1200) and only "suffer" the black bars to the left and right.
This problem with WS monitors will disappear with time, but it's still happening from time to time (especially, and unfixable, for older games).
U can't beat CRT for image quality:know:
I love my 21 incher
Crosseye76
04-17-07, 01:06 PM
Great shots, Thanks for the pics. Now just have to make it the rest of the day at work.....:cry:
Unless.....:hmm: One of my kids get sick and have to come home.......:hmm:
"Oh, sorry to hear that Stuntcow.... who's sick?"
" The U.S.S. Shar............ Ummmmmm... I mean, Timmy."
:rock:
U can't beat CRT for image quality:know:
I love my 21 incher
My 17'' LCD monitor kicks my old CRT 17'' butt anytime when compared the quality. Much sharper on LCD IMO.
AA is working, just need to force it via control panel.
Chuck B.
04-17-07, 01:16 PM
U can't beat CRT for image quality:know:
I love my 21 incher
Well, depending on how you define "image quality" :D
I would not be able to go back to CRT (and my last one was a very good 19 inch). The" blurryness" of the CRT would kill me. On the other hand, this blurryness acts as a natural FSAA and some things therefore really look better, more natural on CRTs. But on an average use basis (which includes using a lot of text), nothing beats a good LCD IMHO.
E.Hartmann
04-17-07, 01:16 PM
Boris, I bet in a config file somewhere they topped it at 1600. Find it and add your resolution to the file and see if it works.
novafluxx
04-17-07, 01:19 PM
U can't beat CRT for image quality:know:
I love my 21 incher
My 17'' LCD monitor kicks my old CRT 17'' butt anytime when compared the quality. Much sharper on LCD IMO.
I like the quality of my 19" LCD widescreen too. Over my older square 19" CRT
basilio
04-17-07, 01:48 PM
Comparison pictures between patch 1.1. and 1.2
I took the following pictures with an original resolution size of 1280*1024.
They were all scaled down to 800*600.
All graphical options (both with patch 1.1 and 1.2) to the max apart from windowed mode.
Ati Catalyst Control Center: all options to the max.
Patch 1.1
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/3979/11od1.jpg
patch 1.2
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/319/21lr3.jpg
patch 1.1
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/4750/12eq5.jpg
patch 1.2
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/559/22tz8.jpg
basilio
04-17-07, 01:50 PM
patch 1.1
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/4947/13vf6.jpg
patch 1.2
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/8690/23kd3.jpg
anyone noticing a white outline accross all the submerged parts of the sub hull with this patch? weird transparency glitch.
using an Ati 1900xtx (1360x768 no AA or AS)
basilio
04-17-07, 01:52 PM
patch 1.1
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/9210/14ay5.jpg
patch 1.2
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/2866/24mv4.jpg
basilio
04-17-07, 01:53 PM
patch 1.1
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/6871/15xl0.jpg
patch 1.2
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/4764/25vu7.jpg
basilio
04-17-07, 01:54 PM
patch 1.1
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/1223/16by9.jpg
patch 1.2
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/2999/26ts9.jpg
EAF274 Johan
04-17-07, 01:57 PM
I don't know if anyone has found this yet, but:
To get rid of the green lines at the edge of the screen when using AA, make sure you uncheck the options Adaptive AntiAliasing in your graphics card properties. It works for me on a Radeon X1650.
XanderF
04-17-07, 02:01 PM
I don't know if anyone has found this yet, but:
To get rid of the green lines at the edge of the screen when using AA, make sure you uncheck the options Adaptive or Temporal AntiAliasing in your graphics card properties. It works for me on a Radeon X1650.
Yes, but adaptive AA is very, very nice. It is what is used to anti-alias alpha textures - IE., the 'legs' of the cranes, deck railings, etc.
flintlock
04-17-07, 02:53 PM
To get rid of the green lines at the edge of the screen when using AA, make sure you uncheck the options Adaptive or Temporal AntiAliasing in your graphics card properties.
Great tip, thank you!
MONOLITH
04-17-07, 07:09 PM
Holy Cow, a new 1.2 bug basilio...it made your watchmen lose his hair! :cool:
patch 1.1
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/4947/13vf6.jpg
patch 1.2
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/8690/23kd3.jpg
Shaffer4
04-17-07, 08:39 PM
U can't beat CRT for image quality:know:
I love my 21 incher
My 17'' LCD monitor kicks my old CRT 17'' butt anytime when compared the quality. Much sharper on LCD IMO.
Someones CRT Dot Pitch was abit high, me thinks. ;)
Ok, I didn't change my drivers, but I played around with the resolutions a bit and I found out a few things.
temporal, or no temporal AA, or 2x 4x or 6x, won't work for me on my native resolution of 1680x1050
It does however work on every resolution below that... go figure :-?
I guess now I have to decide if I wan't to play at my native res without, or at lower res's with AA.
Has anyone been able to apply AA to 1680x1050?
any info on this guys? is there a cfg file that limits res.?
MONOLITH
04-17-07, 11:22 PM
AA is working for me at 1680x1050.
X1950 PRo with 7.2 drivers.
kiwi_2005
04-17-07, 11:44 PM
When the hell did patch 1.2 come out:88)
Im of to download it!
StandingCow
04-17-07, 11:59 PM
Holy Cow, a new 1.2 bug basilio...it made your watchmen lose his hair! :cool:
ROFL! I was going to say the same thing. :rotfl:
And now a hair loss commercial just came on the tv.. amazing.. hehe.
EAF274 Johan
04-18-07, 01:54 AM
Correction:
To get rid of the green lines at the edge of the screen when using AA, uncheck the option Adaptive AntiAliasing in your graphics card properties. It works for me on a Radeon X1650 (Catalyst 7.3 drivers).
Be advised, you may have to trade in some graphical quality.
I was under the false impression that Adaptive AA and Temporal AA were the same.
Ilpalazzo
04-18-07, 02:08 AM
Holy crap thanks Johan I was under the impression that I simply had to pick between aa with green line or no aa. I really like adaptive aa though. It is very good to know this and now I can stop messing around with it.
enemyminds81
04-18-07, 05:43 AM
hey great news about this patch. the new res looks great!
here are a couple of screenies, with Fraps running. i decided to shoot them at 16xAAq, 8x AF, gamma AA, multisampling. max sliders @1680x150
and yes AA works. normally it would be unwise to run at 16x, so i normall run at 4x and it performs and looks flawless.
just wanted the best screenie hehe:D
nice to see most of the major bugs fixed, a few still left but hey it looks great! so we should be able to forgive
http://img3.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/1549a71f33.jpg
http://img3.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/dc90e6bb48.jpg
frames still good even at that high AA.
have a 8800640mb GTS @ 615/1960
cant wait for my core 2 to come next week. this s939 4400 is bottlenecking my new gpu a bit in benchmarks and even games...
Uber Gruber
04-18-07, 05:57 AM
I ran it on my 2GB E6800 Core 2 with BFG 8800 GTS at 1600 * 1200, with all card graphics maxed out and all game graphic options maxed out.
It looked spankingly amazing but I can't show you people a pic cos, well, you'll all be sick weith envy :yep:
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