View Full Version : Will Ubi release the SH3 SDK?
Kapitan_Phillips
04-15-07, 05:31 PM
What do you think?
I doubt it. SHIV uses modified engine of SHIII and releasing SDK for SHIII would also mean that it could be used to mod SHIV. Wait a few years and they just MIGHT release it, but I doubt it.
Ducimus
04-15-07, 05:35 PM
I doubt it. SHIV uses modified engine of SHIII and releasing SDK for SHIII would also mean that it could be used to mod SHIV. Wait a few years and they just MIGHT release it, but I doubt it.
my thoughts exactly.
Ubi won't release anything, especially the SDKs for popular bestselling games.
Would you?
I didn't think so. :rotfl:
Alyebard
04-16-07, 01:51 AM
UBI releases :rotfl:sdk ?:rotfl:Is a bussines not a sister of mercy :rotfl:
bookworm_020
04-16-07, 02:37 AM
When I see pigs fly, I'll know they released a SDK for SH3!:yep:
robbo180265
04-16-07, 04:21 AM
I agree with everyone else.
Never gonna happen.
UBI releases sdk, that is so funny. :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Two hopes mate, none and Buckleys! Not in my lifetime anyway.
leeclose
04-16-07, 07:20 AM
About as much chance as me wining the lottery or getting a porsche for my next birthday:yep:
Kapitan_Phillips
04-16-07, 04:10 PM
Alright. Who put Option 4?! STEED! :stare:
;)
Jimbuna
04-16-07, 04:21 PM
More chance of getting bitten on the bottom pff a cabbage I would think :nope:
Madox58
04-16-07, 04:28 PM
UBI has no concept of what SDK means I believe.
Unless they interpret it to mean
"Sucker Dumb Knuckleheads"
In which case,
it's already out there!!
:rotfl:
Sailor Steve
04-16-07, 04:46 PM
I voted option 2. I'd like to think that someday, maybe after they've fixed SH3 to SH4 standards and fixed SH4 period, when they're all done and realize there's still so much that can be modded if only we could...
Aw, who am I kidding? I just like to dream.
UBI release SDK? :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
KrvKpt. Falke
04-16-07, 05:54 PM
Silent Hunter 3 will die without SDK in hands of community.
I hope UbiSoft can see it that way too...
(voted option 2)
Alright. Who put Option 4?! STEED! :stare:
;)
Haha, that was actually me. No offence but it was the best-sounding of all of them, and I personally feel there will be no SDK anyway.
Sulikate
04-16-07, 06:03 PM
I doubt it. SHIV uses modified engine of SHIII and releasing SDK for SHIII would also mean that it could be used to mod SHIV. Wait a few years and they just MIGHT release it, but I doubt it.
my thoughts exactly. Mine too.
I doubt it. SHIV uses modified engine of SHIII and releasing SDK for SHIII would also mean that it could be used to mod SHIV. Wait a few years and they just MIGHT release it, but I doubt it.
my thoughts exactly. Mine too.
Make that three :yep:
But it might be better this way. Some people just wouldn't get to play anymore ;).
And besides would half of the community be spending more time on downloading upgrades and resolving issues with installing them, posting bugs etc, than actually on playing.
Iron Budokan
08-14-07, 12:08 PM
I don't think they will, either.
IrischKapitan
08-14-07, 01:58 PM
Pardon my ignorance but whats SDK? I've no idea what it is.. :doh:
Jimbuna
08-14-07, 02:12 PM
Software Development Kit :up:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_development_kit
bruschi sauro
08-14-07, 02:17 PM
never:yep:
Jimbuna
08-14-07, 03:25 PM
never:yep:
:roll: ......................:hmm:
I would doubt it. Even though SH3 has an active mod community, I dont see Ubi taking an interest in letting people mod their game for whatever reason. Its a shame though, games that have a public SDK usually have a very active fan base (even niche games), and large scale mods can and have even gotten the attention of the games developers.
Maybe if we give Ubi GWX and say it could be better with an SDK :hmm:
If it got even better than now there would be less a reason to buy SHIV or possible followers. So why should they ?
Maybe someone could ask UBI how much to release the SDK?:yep: If we all pitched, in say $5 each, and since there are thousands of members, we might actually be able to purchase it! I certainly would, could be worth a poll to see how many would actually pay!:D
johnno74
08-14-07, 09:07 PM
I beleive that with some of the tools coming out of the community like S3D we're coming close to the capibilities of the official SH3 SDK.
Everyone here practically begs "we need the sdk, we need the sdk" and I don't think a lot of people realise exactly what a SDK is.
The SDK will be a collection of documentation and tools for editing the data files. It won't magically let us fix all the remaining SH3 bugs, give us wolfpacks, etc etc. A SDK won't let us change hardcoded values. they are HARDCODED into the game engine, and we'd need the full source code for that, and that will most likely never happen (I'd love to be wrong though)
The efforts of the modding crew here in reverse-engineering the structure of the data files is truely impressive. I think if you took all the modding tools developed by the community we're already well over halfway to a full SDK, and progress is still continuing.
Everyone here practically begs "we need the sdk, we need the sdk" and I don't think a lot of people realise exactly what a SDK is.
The SDK will be a collection of documentation and tools for editing the data files. It won't magically let us fix all the remaining SH3 bugs, give us wolfpacks, etc etc. A SDK won't let us change hardcoded values. they are HARDCODED into the game engine, and we'd need the full source code for that, and that will most likely never happen (I'd love to be wrong though) continuing. That's what I said some time ago in some other thread.
It's mainly the source code that is needed. I thought this thread was about the SDK AND SH3's sources. The SDK is just a way to edit the game code more comfortably but with out this, a SDK is somewhat useless.
I beleive that with some of the tools coming out of the community like S3D we're coming close to the capibilities of the official SH3 SDK. But I think you're wrong about this point.
The ability to change things in SH3 by modders mostly referes to edit configuration files, creating new textures or 3D models and some complicated Hexedit tweaks.
To make real changes to the gameplay, change things in the computer's behaviour, in changing weather conditions, the submarine's behaviour, damage model etc, you need the source files to change it there and be able to recompile the changes.
Like now you only got binary files which are really hard to make changes to and many scripted things in config files, which can be changed more easily but control the sim only to a certain extent.
And that's the point at which the source code is needed and a comfortable development enviroment around it would be nice.
You don't necessarily need the SH3 SDK, but as it is built for SH3 it would make things easier.
Kaleu. Jochen Mohr
08-15-07, 07:12 AM
WTH is SDK ?
danlisa
08-15-07, 07:15 AM
WTH is SDK ?
:roll:...........................:hmm:
Please read the thread before asking questions that are already answered.
Jimbuna
08-15-07, 07:17 AM
WTH is SDK ?
:roll:...........................:hmm:
Please read the thread before asking questions that are already answered.
:roll: ...................................:damn:
Kaleu. Jochen Mohr
08-15-07, 07:26 AM
@ jimbuna... will you please stop that lousy post :shifty:
@ dansla... i dont realy am fully awake to read everything... should have been in my bed 10 hours ago... 28 hours awake :dead:
Jimbuna
08-15-07, 11:24 AM
@Kaleu. Jochen Mohr
Will you please stop being selective in who you target for responding to your posts. If you were to browse this forum you will realise there have been numerous responses to your constant disruptive and often childlike spamming on a multitude of posts. Your responses seldom offer anything of value or interest to the posts original purpose....in fact I suspect you've seldom answered a posters plea for information, unless of course it's related to some fantasy/sureal type of arcadeish scenario.
You have the right to play the game in whichever way you choose, but do a search and yourself a favour in the process and consider the advice given by forum member Brag recently.
If you read this forum as much as you post you might even find reference to yourself as: Kaleu. Jochen Mohron....unfortunately that instance you will be unable to attribute to me.
Now, I say again......publicly and for anyone else to read be it Neal or a Moderator, DO NOT BE SELECTIVE IN TARGETTING ME FOR MY RESPONSES.....I consider this to be further evidence of your immaturity.....better still, put me on your ignore list :arrgh!:
:roll: ...................................:damn:
danurve
08-15-07, 12:29 PM
What do you think?
http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/51DQH3A7GQL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-dp-500-arrow,TopRight,45,-64_OU01_AA240_SH20_.jpg
Heibges
08-15-07, 02:49 PM
They released if for SH2 and Destroyer Command didn't they? I think we will see it soon.
But I heard they had a really great production team on SH2/DC, and that they pushed to get the code released for Messerwetzer.
Only time will tell.
Stealth Hunter
08-15-07, 03:19 PM
When I see pigs fly, I'll know they released a SDK for SH3!:yep:
http://www.thebradshaws.biz/images/flying%20pig.jpg
Hmm well I highly doubt they would release it. Also I join johnno74, he has the point. Even though I'm not a modder I understand that you'd need the source code to modify hardcoded elements, no tools will make you fiddle with hardcoded elements.
And then why would they release the source code of a game which is still on the shelves of some shops?
Kaleu. Jochen Mohr
08-15-07, 09:02 PM
@Kaleu. Jochen Mohr
Will you please stop being selective in who you target for responding to your posts. If you were to browse this forum you will realise there have been numerous responses to your constant disruptive and often childlike spamming on a multitude of posts. Your responses seldom offer anything of value or interest to the posts original purpose....in fact I suspect you've seldom answered a posters plea for information, unless of course it's related to some fantasy/sureal type of arcadeish scenario.
You have the right to play the game in whichever way you choose, but do a search and yourself a favour in the process and consider the advice given by forum member Brag recently.
If you read this forum as much as you post you might even find reference to yourself as: Kaleu. Jochen Mohron....unfortunately that instance you will be unable to attribute to me.
Now, I say again......publicly and for anyone else to read be it Neal or a Moderator, DO NOT BE SELECTIVE IN TARGETTING ME FOR MY RESPONSES.....I consider this to be further evidence of your immaturity.....better still, put me on your ignore list :arrgh!:
ya. sorry about that but if im tired i AM a moron :shifty:
i also do my best to try helping others...
ask the 4th division...
they even pointed me as 2nd admin for when the chief is gone...
fact is. i DO read the forum and DONT post where i dont know answers...
but i dont intend to post one EVERY topic.
thats why i have alot of posts on some parts.
and if you want me to ignore you then you could have said it before :damn:
Now, I say again......publicly and for anyone else to read be it Neal or a Moderator, DO NOT BE SELECTIVE IN TARGETTING ME FOR MY RESPONSES.....I consider this to be further evidence of your immaturity.....better still, put me on your ignore list :arrgh!:
Easy does it Jim or you'll blow a gasket!!:lol:
Jimbuna
08-16-07, 10:49 AM
Back to working on GWX me thinks :arrgh!:
Sailor Steve
08-16-07, 11:07 AM
They released if for SH2 and Destroyer Command didn't they?
No, they didn't.
But I heard they had a really great production team on SH2/DC, and that they pushed to get the code released for Messerwetzer.
That was a special case, and it was released to one professional for the express purpose of changing the multi-player code from UBI's version to the MicroSoft version. While some changes were made to general gameplay, it was not released to the general modding community and it was not for the purpose of letting anyone "fix" the game.
Only time will tell.
Very true. We can but hope.
mookiemookie
08-18-07, 12:43 PM
I'm sure that there are licensed 3rd party development tools in the SDK that Ubi probably doesn't have the rights to release to the general public. I doubt very much there will be a SDK released.
Webchessie
08-22-07, 07:02 PM
When I see pigs fly, I'll know they released a SDK for SH3!:yep:
YOU SEE PIGS FLYING???
I thought I was the only one seeing them . . .
Seeing SHIII was never totally fixed as it should have been, and SH4 is still unfinished.....
:hmm: I don't really think Ubi used any kind of SDK in either one. Now, think about this carefully....
If they had, both would have been corrected and fininshed a long time ago. :yep: ;)
True? :roll: :()1:
Seeing SHIII was never totally fixed as it should have been, and SH4 is still unfinished.....
:hmm: I don't really think Ubi used any kind of SDK in either one. Now, think about this carefully....
If they had, both would have been corrected and fininshed a long time ago. :yep: ;)
True? :roll: :()1:
:doh::doh:
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Completly agree with STEED.....It is funny!:rotfl: :rotfl: :lol:
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