Ok screw this...

[Mad Professor]

I bought SH4 about 3 days ago, been playing it ever since. But I can never get past 1-2 patrols without my sub breaking itself or being destroyed. I'm not sure but I've been through 4 careers with 1-2 patrols each. But seriously this game is too broken.

Let me say after this last partol I just did, it was my breaking point. I'm coming home and I'm low on fuel. I mean 10% remaining I'm trying to make it to midway to refit. I've been attacked by planes even tho there is no visible damage on my sub I've lost some bulkheads and took on some flooding. Now that I'm out of range from aircraft, I ran on top to do repairs. After that was done I went to periscope depth during the day and recharge at night. Some time during the day, about 1500 miles off the coast of midway islands, My sub destroyed itself for no reason. I check the co2 level and it was only at 10% WTF! I've been surfacing at night and and diving in the day and been doing this last 5 days *in-game* why now?

Some how I survived and get court-martial.

The endings suck, its funny how your boat was destroyed but your boat survives long enough to get to port and HQ gives you a new one or you get court-martial for destroying it. Wheres the option that you actually DIE or get taken as a PoW? Oh yeah did I mention you don't get a choice to choose what class replacement you'll get?

The missions just suck, oh I have to sneak in and take photos of enemy harbors? Sure, in very, very shallow water. I mean theres only 2 feet between the backbone of my sub and the sea floor. Shouldn't this mission qualify for smaller subs and not my tambor or gar class sub? But I do like the dropping off the agent at this location

Stuff on my sub just get damaged for no reason, I would be sailing and all sudden "Flak Gun Damaged Sir!" "Deck gun Damaged Sir!" "Radar Damaged Sir"

The sounds repeat themselves or don't complete. Like for example I would push the key for rudders amidship and only hear RUDDER! RUDDER! or if I told it to go 5 Degrees port or Starboard all I would hear is "Rudder 05!" doesn't specify port or starboard. It can even be broken and sound like chipmunks until I pause the game and then They are fine again.

Where are my damn upgrades for my sub Where do I find out how long its going to take to repair the damage I get in battle? Whats my hull integrity, I don't know. Hell, it doesn't even need to be a number, just a color indicating the over-all damage or a excellent to horrible condition rating.

...?

I miss my interaction with the crew, the sub, and my TDC.

I miss my TDC *again* and weapons control center that I had in sh3.

Time compression is useless after 3000.

The pants on my sailors look like bell bottom pants?.. Not sure what to make of it, but damn dude!

Some of buttons stop working after awhile like "man the flak gun" or "man the deck gun" it would flash and arm but then I would never be able to get them to Unmanned the guns. All it would do is flash and stay on, So They are stuck their until they get roasted to death by the sun.

Weather? What weather? There is no dynamic weather. I look up and see clouds moving at the speed of light and I'm just at 1x? WTF AGAIN! Its like I have no weather, its sunny all the damn time!

When I'm at HQ, I've always got to reslect my guns. What I mean is I have to select bow mounting of 4' 50 Cal Deck gun and twin A&A over and over again. I can understand refitting my sub with torps but my guns?

The intro movie into the game is all poetic, Screw being sensitive its time to sink jap shipping but no.

Theres proabley more to add to this, but I have forgotten.

This is by far the worst incomplete, buggy game That I have ever bought overtaking Counter-Strike Source in my personal honest opinion. Sh3 was released in a better condition.

What the hell have the romanians' been doing?

:down:

I don't think ubisoft is going to fix the game, They will release maybe another 4-6 patches before they call it quits.


p.s: I just needed to vent my frustration on this game.

[SteamWake]

I bought SH4 about 3 days ago, been playing it ever since. But I can never get past 1-2 patrols without my sub breaking itself or being destroyed. I'm not sure but I've been through 4 careers with 1-2 patrols each..

There is something curious about this paragraph. Cant quite put my finger on it.

[Zengaze]

Most of the failings you post about are well known to the devs, and i'm sure there will be a patch in the near future which resoles the major bugs,--

One thing i would like to pick up on though is this nonsense of surviving your subs demise, and either being reassigned or thrown in the brig. which airhead dreamt that one up! and the screens that go along with it stink! :nope:

[Mad Professor]

Most of the failings you post about are well known to the devs, and i'm sure there will be a patch in the near future which resoles the major bugs,--

One thing i would like to pick up on though is this nonsense of surviving your subs demise, and either being reassigned or thrown in the brig. which airhead dreamt that one up! and the screens that go along with it stink! :nope:

Thank god, its just not me.

I have an IXC/40 in SH3 with over 22 partrols with Grey wolves mod installed.
I've have since retired and thinking to start a new career in the SH4.

[Zengaze]

you should maybe consider holding off launching a full on career or you may find the bugs therein biasing you against what will be (within a very short period of time) an excellent subsim, just my 2cents-- be forewarned.

[sunvalleyslim]

Mad Professor,
I feel your pain........There are bugs to be worked out. I just wanted to talk about your photo recon.
1969, my sub spent 30 days submerged in a Cambodian harbor. With 10 feet between the keel and the bottom.
During the day we shot photos of ships coming in with contbrand, to be off loaded and move down the Ho Minh Trail to Vietnam.
At night we would leave the Harbor, to bring up the snorkel to get fresh air and recharge the batteries. Only to go back into the harbor again to get the shots. It was the defining moment for Pres. Nixon to decide to bomb Cambodia...So when you silently move into position to get those photos or drop off a team, just try to remember what 70+ guys were doing down under the water just hoping they wouldn't caught....."DBF"

[Mad Professor]

you should maybe consider holding off launching a full on career or you may find the bugs therein biasing you against what will be (within a very short period of time) an excellent subsim, just my 2cents-- be forewarned.

I can understand that and I'm openminded to the future, but I'm just in shock on how a game developer like Ubisoft decided that SH4 was good enough to be released in such a buggy and incomplete state. If they ever manage to keep support of this game longer then a year *SH3 support ended in 8 months after it was released* then I'm a believer.

[kiwi_2005]

Yes buggy it is, but with a few strong coffees you can overcome the issues and still have a good patrol :) My first 3 or 4 patrols were confusing as hell, Now i love this game, your eventually overcome the bugs and find a new way to play it.
I had the "sub sinks on dive" problem whenever i get a mission near Sea of Japan cause they consists of heading in there right in the DRAGONS DEN:o :o and deploying troops or photo recon & getting attacked by Aircraft all the way out, no mercy for a green captain and crew, so naturally there are times your have to crash dive only to sink to the bottom. In one career i couldn't get out of the area. Makes ya think tho, Man WW2 US submariners had some really dangerous/suicidal patrols that it amazes me everytime im leaving the sea of Japan, submerge and like a caged tiger feeling very threaten! And this is just a game. Imagine what it would of been like in real life.

Sry can't offer ya the real help, just dont give up on SHIV yet!

Check the mod section there are a few goodies out and coming out that will improve the gameplay till at least patch 1.2 is out.

[Mad Professor]

After taking a break, getting something to eat, and watching a movie on the FX channel, I feel ready to take it on again!

[kiwi_2005]

After taking a break, getting something to eat, and watching a movie on the FX channel, I feel ready to take it on again!

Good on ya! :up:

[Grim_Death]

The pants on my sailors look like bell bottom pants?.. Not sure what to make of it, but damn dude!

That is historically accurate, and was used till the late '90's.
This nautical fashion has been around since the 1800's.
Do some reading sometimes, it will make you smarter.

[NefariousKoel]

After taking a break, getting something to eat, and watching a movie on the FX channel, I feel ready to take it on again!

That's the fargin' spirit!

Also.. if you quit... can I have your stuff? :)

[AVGWarhawk]

After taking a break, getting something to eat, and watching a movie on the FX channel, I feel ready to take it on again!

That's the fargin' spirit!

Also.. if you quit... can I have your stuff? :)

:rotfl: :rotfl:

[Mad Professor]

The pants on my sailors look like bell bottom pants?.. Not sure what to make of it, but damn dude!
That is historically accurate, and was used till the late '90's.
This nautical fashion has been around since the 1800's.
Do some reading sometimes, it will make you smarter.

That last sentence was kind of insulting, you scurvy dog, but I'll let it go.

http://rebelfighter.no-ip.com/sh4bell.jpg

I asked my watch officer to pose, its just looks funny at the bottom.

[NefariousKoel]

I hope you didn't ask him to do anything else other than "spread 'em".

Who let the MPs on the boat anyway??

[Mad Professor]

I hope you didn't ask him to do anything else other than "spread 'em".

Who let the MPs on the boat anyway??

Whats wrong with you!? I'm not gay! *slaps you*

lol.

[clayton]

I'm sorry it's not working out for you. Look over to the SH4 mod forum, they have quite a few game improvements either in the works or completed. Your wrong about SH3 though; It was just as buggy when it was initially released. Was wondering if you could do me a favor though? Wait until the patch is released before you post another 'screw this' post! There are a lot of guys who do enjoy the game... Thanks

[Mad Professor]

I'm sorry it's not working out for you. Look over to the SH4 mod forum, they have quite a few game improvements either in the works or completed. Your wrong about SH3 though; It was just as buggy when it was initially released. Was wondering if you could do me a favor though? Wait until the patch is released before you post another 'screw this' post! There are a lot of guys who do enjoy the game... Thanks

all right, whatever.

[Mad Professor]

This is just getting ridiculous.

http://rebelfighter.no-ip.com/f-edsh4.jpg

I guess I'm ****ed, my first partrol for my fifth career on my way home after a sucessful insertion of spec ops. It only took one plane *a scout I guess*, not an air group that did this damage. It was spotted by watch and not the radar, I went ahead flank and hard to port. I'm pretty sure I dodge the bullet because there is no visible damage models on my sub. Yet I get this damage. :(

I'm a sitting duck now.

Oh yeah I shot down that zero.

[clayton]

A bullet did this to you?

Single aircraft have been proven to sink all types of subs including the IXC... :D

[Grim_Death]

See a plane, dive, don't shoot. You'll live longer.

[Mad Professor]

A bullet did this to you?

Single aircraft have been proven to sink all types of subs including the IXC... :D
Lucky zero depth charge me.

But can they do this 99% of the time I don't think so, Luck and skill I say.


I'm not going to make it, My engine comp. is flooded, Control rm: 80% Aft.Torp: 60%

P.s wouldn't matter, it takes the same time to dive as if I were to shoot it. He was short range, so it only took seconds before he drop that charge near my stern.

[clayton]

Read this...

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=109849

Good luck and mod your game! Fixes are out there.

[Mad Professor]

After 16 hours I got the bulkheads' secured, the main pumps are up and running. But I have no diesels, they have been destroyed and my eletrics are gone too. I can't call home for a tow and theres no end patrol.

Now what?

edit:
Too late now, Planes got me again, too bad theres not option to call home for a tow or abandon ship.

Oh yeah I got court-martial for it too.

[Blood_splat]

I haven't done a career yet. I'm waiting for the patch for now.:sunny:

[Aimbot]

Mad Professor,
I feel your pain........There are bugs to be worked out. I just wanted to talk about your photo recon.
1969, my sub spent 30 days submerged in a Cambodian harbor. With 10 feet between the keel and the bottom.
During the day we shot photos of ships coming in with contbrand, to be off loaded and move down the Ho Minh Trail to Vietnam.
At night we would leave the Harbor, to bring up the snorkel to get fresh air and recharge the batteries. Only to go back into the harbor again to get the shots. It was the defining moment for Pres. Nixon to decide to bomb Cambodia...So when you silently move into position to get those photos or drop off a team, just try to remember what 70+ guys were doing down under the water just hoping they wouldn't caught....."DBF"
Out of curiosity, what did you guys do? It seems to me like the only people honestly buisy would be in the control room. Were the rest of you napping or trying to will yorselves from being discovered?

[Engel]

There is a Mod that reduces the frequency of those fu*peeep* Air attacks. I would not leave Port without it.
Another hint: Leave port. Go surfaced until your get attacked by an Aircraft. That means you are in Range of an Airbase. Now Dive at dawn to 20m (66 feet), set speed to slow, surface at dusk and go standard ahead.

Works great for me.

[Steeltrap]

Another hint: Leave port. Go surfaced until your get attacked by an Aircraft. That means you are in Range of an Airbase. Now Dive at dawn to 20m (66 feet), set speed to slow, surface at dusk and go standard ahead.

Works great for me.


Diving at or just before/after dawn was the doctrine employed by USA subs.

Use the map to see where air cover is - usually anywhere West of 150E longitude.

Reduce time compression - my radar sucks at anything over 256x, and is generally only completely reliable at 64x. Even then there are some curious blind spots. Oh, and SD radar shouldn't give bearings either as it was A-scope in nature.

In short, game is pretty crap now from a quality point of view. Will see what happens with 1.2. Go to the mod forum and have a read - many problems are being fixed there.

Cheers

[Grunt]

The forced retirement issue is perhaps the biggest issue making SH4 unplayable.

Logic would dictate it would be high on the list of "things to do" in the 1.2 patch.

Counter that vs the performance of the dev's thus far and conclude it prolly wont be fixed.

The crew management & development was a key factor in player attachement to SH3. Take that away and you may as well be playing a nintendo game.

[joea]

The forced retirement issue is perhaps the biggest issue making SH4 unplayable.

Logic would dictate it would be high on the list of "things to do" in the 1.2 patch.

Counter that vs the performance of the dev's thus far and conclude it prolly wont be fixed.

The crew management & development was a key factor in player attachement to SH3. Take that away and you may as well be playing a nintendo game.

Well sub commanders didn't go through the whole war...it has already been mentioned and is not a bug as such.

[NEON DEON]

The forced retirement issue is perhaps the biggest issue making SH4 unplayable.

Logic would dictate it would be high on the list of "things to do" in the 1.2 patch.

Counter that vs the performance of the dev's thus far and conclude it prolly wont be fixed.

The crew management & development was a key factor in player attachement to SH3. Take that away and you may as well be playing a nintendo game.

Well sub commanders didn't go through the whole war...it has already been mentioned and is not a bug as such.

I guess that would be how you view SHIV as whole.

Is a submarine simulation or is it a submarine skipper simulation.

If it is a skipper simulation, then sure run 4 to 5 patrols and then retire.

[Sailor Steve]

The pants on my sailors look like bell bottom pants?.. Not sure what to make of it, but damn dude!

That is historically accurate, and was used till the late '90's.
This nautical fashion has been around since the 1800's.
Do some reading sometimes, it will make you smarter.
Actually, they weren't true bell-bottoms, which are tight at the top and flare at the bottom. They were stovepipe pants, and they were wide all the way down. The idea is to be able to roll out of the rack and put your shoes on first, thus eliminating the need to stand up, put your pants on and sit down again for the shoes. They're designed to go on over your shoes.

[Grunt]

Never ceases to amaze me the literal acrobatic stunts apologists will go to to obfuscate matters. :o

Lemme put it this way, how much bending over backwards will it take to change the fact that of all the submarine sims I have ever played, SH4 seems to be the only one that has this..."feature". :doh:

Seriously guys, PLEASE LIST THE SUBMARINE SIM GAMES THAT HAVE FORCED RETIREMENT STRUCTURE, beginning with Silent Service 1 I played back in 1988. :roll:

[Sailor Steve]

Silent Hunter didn't force you, but it did start suggesting it after 6 or so patrols.

On the other hand, this "feature" was the rule in real life. But I agree, an option would have been nice.

[perisher]

USN Fleet submarines were often on patrol for 90 days, without counting refit, restore and leave time, 6 patrols could take over 500 days. Add back in the "down" time and the 6 patrol career takes over 2 years to complete. Even in peacetime, 2 years is a long time to be in command of 1 vessel. A man with 2 years experience in front line subs is a valuable asset and is better used in a higher ranking job where he can use his experience to better effect.

The problem with the "short" career in the game is that patrols seldom last for 90 days. Compared with the real world there are too many targets, they are too easy to find and too easy to sink. This means the a skipper in the game gets through 6 patrols in a year, or even less.

So we have an imbalance between accuracy and game play, and we know that we will always get these. I hope Ubisoft can deal with this and make the career length an option.

You could try and lengthen your patrols by ignoring about 90% of your contacts (roll dice or draw a card) but the game would probably cane you for not being aggressive enough.

[Grunt]

Silent Hunter didn't force you, but it did start suggesting it after 6 or so patrols.

On the other hand, this "feature" was the rule in real life. But I agree, an option would have been nice.

That is about my entire point. The forced retirement should be an option, just like all the other options that effect realism.

[sunvalleyslim]

Mad Professor,
I feel your pain........There are bugs to be worked out. I just wanted to talk about your photo recon.
1969, my sub spent 30 days submerged in a Cambodian harbor. With 10 feet between the keel and the bottom.
During the day we shot photos of ships coming in with contbrand, to be off loaded and move down the Ho Minh Trail to Vietnam.
At night we would leave the Harbor, to bring up the snorkel to get fresh air and recharge the batteries. Only to go back into the harbor again to get the shots. It was the defining moment for Pres. Nixon to decide to bomb Cambodia...So when you silently move into position to get those photos or drop off a team, just try to remember what 70+ guys were doing down under the water just hoping they wouldn't caught....."DBF" Out of curiosity, what did you guys do? It seems to me like the only people honestly buisy would be in the control room. Were the rest of you napping or trying to will yorselves from being discovered?

Aimbot,
We worked 4 hours on and 8 hours off. So yes you were busy only on watch. But sometimes walking through the control room and seeing only 10 feet of water below the keel and knowing you were only in 60 ft of water was cause to be alarmed....we could just imagine some plane looking down and seeing us.

[clayton]

Never ceases to amaze me the literal acrobatic stunts apologists will go to to obfuscate matters. :o

Lemme put it this way, how much bending over backwards will it take to change the fact that of all the submarine sims I have ever played, SH4 seems to be the only one that has this..."feature". :doh:

Seriously guys, PLEASE LIST THE SUBMARINE SIM GAMES THAT HAVE FORCED RETIREMENT STRUCTURE, beginning with Silent Service 1 I played back in 1988. :roll:

Aces of the Deep and Silent Hunter I...

Try and do a couple of patrols without sinking anything!

[edjcox]

1969, my sub spent 30 days submerged in a Cambodian harbor. With 10 feet between the keel and the bottom.
During the day we shot photos of ships coming in with contbrand, to be off loaded and move down the Ho Minh Trail to Vietnam.
At night we would leave the Harbor, to bring up the snorkel to get fresh air and recharge the batteries. Only to go back into the harbor again to get the shots.


To think that a few torpedoes could have prevented so much death in the South.....

I too would target Bridges and Rail Heads in the North alon the China border only to have my target sets rejected time after time as they were to Close to a no-fly area....


One simple lesson IF YOU ARE GOING TO WAR DO ALL YOU CAN AND KILL THE ENEMY..... DON'T PUSSYFOOT AROUND AND PLAY WHITE KNIGHT......

I LOST A ****LOAD OF GOOD FREINDS TO THE CARGO IN THOSE BOATS YOU WERE WATCHING AND PHOTOGRAPHING....:cry:

[CCIP]

Um, as much as I'd like to sympathise, that last post was very inappropriate.

You are aware of those little things called 'orders', eh? :hmm:
Man, from your position, you gotta praise those guys and their taking photos as heroic. They're the ones that brought back the photos, got the enemy red-handed, and brought on a bombing campaign. Usually, just sometimes, you need to have a little bit of proof to start a war or change the orders... and that boat brought back the bacon, so to speak.

[Duke_Wellington_1st]

I do not like the replys which attack people who are upset with the half baked product they purchased in good faith. People should not, in any circumstance, put up with this kind of behaviour from software publishers. They have a right to be upset, and they have a right to email, post and call in there complaints in whatever method is available to them.

I still cannot play this game. I shouldnt have to "wait" on patches in order to enjoy the product out of the box.

pathetic no matter which way you look at it.
My apologies to anyone whos taken sides with a shadowy, underhanded coportate enitiy whos only interest is the bottom line, not customer satisfaction.

[Subsim Monitor]

Topic below test depth, closing.