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Skybird
04-14-07, 09:55 AM
(corrected:)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6555377.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6551725.stm

Maybe the most ferocious chess player ever - but I wonder if maybe he is overestimating his skills in this very different kind of game.

Fisher vs Kasparov - that maybe would have been a sight!

Letum
04-14-07, 10:02 AM
Working Link:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6554989.stm

Mr Putin seams to have brought about prosperity to Russia and popularity with the Russian people, but not more democracy. Some may even say less.

1mPHUNit0
04-14-07, 10:03 AM
Ummm
Fischer a pre chess computers era player
and jailed too

fatty
04-14-07, 10:11 AM
I had no idea he was in politics now.

1mPHUNit0
04-14-07, 10:20 AM
He is overestimating his skills indeed
and he did the same with his Economical Investiments

Skybird
04-14-07, 10:23 AM
Hm, the original link i copied was this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6555377.stm

The forum software then posted "symbol-salad", I edited it, and the link then was broken. Strange.

Thanks for indicating the problem, Letum.

Skybird
04-14-07, 10:35 AM
Working Link:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6554989.stm

Mr Putin seams to have brought about prosperity to Russia and popularity with the Russian people, but not more democracy. Some may even say less.


As I see it, he did what was needed to crush down the organised crime and the economical oligarchs trying to distribute not only the economy but also the state amongst themselves. These criminals became strong, because the violant rush of capitalism into Russia after Gorbatschow suddenly opened them the freedom needed to unfold and to blossom.

Russian population is shrinking, and in Southern areas is really being threatened to become a dominated ethnicity, by Islamic people, and in certain Eastern areas becoming dominated by illegally immigrating chinese who pour into the empty spaces of Russia there. Thus Putin's attempßt to forge an inofficial alliance with the right and the nationalistic as well, and forbidding non-russians to trade and work in Russia freely.

All this policy certainly is not popular in the West. What people here do not understand is that Russia is fighting a very vital fight for national integrity and keeping a basic national identity intact - things the EU bureaucrats have given up any understanding of. I see Putin's course critically, but I still can comprehend his steps. When i eventually cannot understand such steps anymore - then I will become nervous about Russia. Not earlier. Putin sees in the European nations and their loosing ground to immigration especially from Islamic countries and the growing deconstruction of historically grown national self-identities by that, what would happen to Russia if russia would uncritically copy the unlimited tolernace and totally open democracy that is lectured by Brussel. And obviously he does not like that example where the West wants him to steer at.

For which I will not criticise him, for I wouldn't like it, too.

I consider organised crime and the "Russian Mafia" (any mafia-like structure) as one of the greatest threats for europe, due to their tendencies to slowly sink into legal economic structures and by legal means abuse them for their own financial interests, in a way that criminal figures turn out to become legal, well-respected members of civil society, and becoming untouchable for the law. This tendency is a very, very dangerous tren going on. The difference between legal and illegal, criminal and lawful are vanishing. If Mafia and economical and political leadership become identical, what help is there left, then?

CCIP
04-14-07, 11:36 AM
I consider organised crime and the "Russian Mafia" (any mafia-like structure) as one of the greatest threats for europe, due to their tendencies to slowly sink into legal economic structures and by legal means abuse them for their own financial interests, in a way that criminal figures turn out to become legal, well-respected members of civil society, and becoming untouchable for the law. This tendency is a very, very dangerous tren going on. The difference between legal and illegal, criminal and lawful are vanishing. If Mafia and economical and political leadership become identical, what help is there left, then?

:yep::yep::yep:

Otherwise, I should both point out that while I don't like Mr. Putin, I think accusing him of being undemocratic always strikes me as a little strange. For all his apparent 'cons', the vast majority of Russians (and I can assure you of this first-hand) support him and his policies. No question about it.

kiwi_2005
04-14-07, 07:15 PM
What happen to the chess games here, when i heard of this i was ready to join up and challenge some captains, but then i realise what type of gameplay you folks are playing

I thought it was going to be multiplayer we enter a online chess multiplayer with boards and chess pieces

Not 1.d4 d5 2.e4 dxe4 3.Nc3 followed by 4.f3 To bloody Uber! :arrgh!:

Play alot of board chess my latest chess board is Warcraft 3 characters - Orcs and Humans.

You can never get sick of playing chess beats all computer games.

Skybird
04-14-07, 07:35 PM
What happen to the chess games here, when i heard of this i was ready to join up and challenge some captains, but then i realise what type of gameplay you folks are playing.

:huh: What do you mean? Did the sometimes ironic comments b y players and kibitzers make you stay away, or did you want to play in a virtual chatroom in realtime? Or why haven't you played one year ago, or when was it - one and a half year, you say? Boy, time is fleeting... :roll:

kiwi_2005
04-14-07, 08:25 PM
What happen to the chess games here, when i heard of this i was ready to join up and challenge some captains, but then i realise what type of gameplay you folks are playing.

:huh: What do you mean? Did the sometimes ironic comments b y players and kibitzers make you stay away, or did you want to play in a virtual chatroom in realtime? Or why haven't you played one year ago, or when was it - one and a half year, you say? Boy, time is fleeting... :roll:

I mean Chess multiplayer online - join a chess game - in front of you is a board and the pieces - its turnbase. This is what i thought the chess was going to be. Got nothing against the way it was being played here, i just found it to confusing. :roll:

Skybird
04-15-07, 06:20 AM
What happen to the chess games here, when i heard of this i was ready to join up and challenge some captains, but then i realise what type of gameplay you folks are playing.

:huh: What do you mean? Did the sometimes ironic comments b y players and kibitzers make you stay away, or did you want to play in a virtual chatroom in realtime? Or why haven't you played one year ago, or when was it - one and a half year, you say? Boy, time is fleeting... :roll:

I mean Chess multiplayer online - join a chess game - in front of you is a board and the pieces - its turnbase. This is what i thought the chess was going to be. Got nothing against the way it was being played here, i just found it to confusing. :roll:
Confusing? I don't understand that. Just remember the many nice diagrams that I posted, in colour! :lol: It was very much like correspondence chess played on a public board instead of using postcards. I liked it, for it matched my way of playing. :)