British sailors to be freed

[baggygreen]

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=256473

breaking news it seems. pardoned implies they were charged formally with a crime, thatd be interesting...

[STEED]

Bloody hell you beat me to it. :o


Yes indeed good news. :up:

[baggygreen]

isnt that to be expected steed - an aussie betin a pommy??;) the weekend shall be telling - both in Iran and on the cricket field...:hmm:

[gnirtS]

As expected end to the non-crisis.

Sailors released followed the quiet release of 3 iranian diplomats held by the USA in Iraq (which is probably what triggered the crisis in the first place).

[mr chris]

Well there goes a chance to bomb the iranians back to where they belong its a shame how soft my country has become. :nope:
Some days im ashamed to be a member of HM Armed forces i joined to fight these ragheaded *****s not talk to them.
Message to those in power grow some F**KING backbone!!!!

[Jimbuna]

:roll:
Why ?...Are they jellyfish ? :rotfl:

[fatty]

Cooler heads prevailed it seems. Very glad to hear this news, good job UK!

[Fish]

Hurray for diplomacy! :up:

[lesrae]

Good news :D

[Penelope_Grey]

About time they were released and all. Glad it was able to be done through non-violent means too.

[Enigma]

As expected end to the non-crisis.

Sailors released followed the quiet release of 3 iranian diplomats held by the USA in Iraq (which is probably what triggered the crisis in the first place).

It's usually not my habit to feed the trolls, but....

Did you notice you called it a "non-crisis" AND a "crisis" in, what, two lines of text? Nice job on that.

Also, Had their been any other outcome to this event, I believe you, as a supporter of Iran against America, would have begun to really, really understand exactly what the word "Crisis" means. You should be as thankful as I am that the Iranian government made the smart call here.

Have a nice day.

[mr chris]

God knows what will come of the UK with all you PC libleral do gooder types.
You should know that us troop sign up to serve Queen and country knowing that at some point we might have to put are lives on the line. This is a fact. It's the job we signed up for. Plane and simple.

God knows where we would have been if you lilly livered lot were around in the 1930 and 40's.
You lot have had it way to easy for ages. It time you lot pull your peacenecks heads out of the sand and live in the real world.

[Enigma]

God knows what will come of the UK with all you PC libleral do gooder types.
You should know that us troop sign up to serve Queen and country knowing that at some point we might have to put are lives on the line. This is a fact. It's the job we signed up for. Plane and simple.

God knows where we would have been if you lot were around in the 1930 and 40's.
You lot have had it way to easy for ages. It time you lot pull your peaceneck heads out of the sand and live in the real world.


Who are you talking to?

[mr chris]

Read the first line of my post and you will find out.;)

[Enigma]

Well, that doesn't tell me much. If theres one thing i've learned around here it's that one mans hawk is another mans dove. :lol:

Not important, no worries.

[mr chris]

To norrow it down i bit i was getting at the people that wet themselfs as soon as one soildier gets killed and yells we should not be at war this is all wrong. These are type of people that make me sick. People need to know that people are working hard out there so they can live there nice easy life in comfort. As i said before its what we signed up for. a bit of surport would not go amiss.
I just find it sad that we have become a country full of liberal do gooders who would rather bury there heads in the sand and hope the bad people just go away.

[Jimbuna]

As expected end to the non-crisis.

Sailors released followed the quiet release of 3 iranian diplomats held by the USA in Iraq (which is probably what triggered the crisis in the first place).

I presume it wasn't a crisis of any sort as far as you were concerned because you weren't one of those taken captive :hmm:

Yeah that'd be right :down:

[Enigma]

Well, at the risk of taking this thread way off topic, (we probably already have, so I dont want to get into a whole debate...but..)...I think everybody understands that soldiers can and will die in combat. I think alot of people dont feel that american or british forces need to be there in the first place. Especially here in the US, alot of people feel a bit cheated. They dont view the war as a neccesity, and therefore dislike the idea of troops being sent into harms way without it being absolutly neccesary.

Again, I want to avoid hijacking this thread (too late! doh!), so if you want to discuss further via PM or on another thread, i'd be glad to.

Let me try to bring this thread back to its original topic by saying that regardless of anybosys politics, having these folks come home safe and without bloodshed is a good end to a bad event. Im glad it's over. :up:

[gnirtS]

A very large % of troops here are against the iraq war and related deployments purely as they dont see it as having anything to do with defending the UKs interests home or abroad.

Troops in legitimate wars defending the interests of the country are fine. Troops going into dubious wars based on lies and misleading with no purpose other than political means is a totally different matter.

[waste gate]

This is very good news.

Does anyone think the deployment of USS Nimitz to the Gulf could have made the difference; three carriers and their respective cruisers, destroyers, and submarines in the region?

[Platapus]

Cooler heads prevailed it seems. Very glad to hear this news, good job UK!

Yes it was handled pretty much as well as could be expected.

A very good ending

[Enigma]

Does anyone think the deployment of USS Nimitz to the Gulf could have made the difference; three carriers and their respective cruisers, destroyers, and submarines in the region?

Hard to tell. Sometimes these guys strike me as being foolish enough to not fear such things.

Of course, when you have enough firepower to make Iran into a parking lot in under 12 hours sitting off your coast, im sure it doesn't hurt in those diplomatic negotiations....:yep:

[waste gate]

Does anyone think the deployment of USS Nimitz to the Gulf could have made the difference; three carriers and their respective cruisers, destroyers, and submarines in the region?

Hard to tell. Sometimes these guys strike me as being foolish enough to not fear such things.

Of course, when you have enough firepower to make Iran into a parking lot in under 12 hours sitting off your coast, im sure it doesn't hurt in those diplomatic negotiations....:yep:

I just thought it funny that the Iranians knew they had nothing to fear from the French, one of Iran's largest trading partners.

[mr chris]

This is very good news.

Does anyone think the deployment of USS Nimitz to the Gulf could have made the difference; three carriers and their respective cruisers, destroyers, and submarines in the region?
Made be anything that keeps up the heat on wacko Dinnerjacket is good IMHO.:yep:
As for the French they are just a bunch of chesse eating surender monkeys.

[Kapitan_Phillips]

I'm very happy for the sailors and their families. Britain sighs with relief.


Bloody cheek calling it a "gift to the UK" though

[Iceman]

Am I the only one wondering about all the things the captives were saying ,like how they knew they were trespassing and shame shame etc on they're homeland...is this some major BS or what...What I am wondering is were they forced with a samurai sword at the back of they're heads to make the statements they made or did they feel that, that was coming next or what. Some serious !@#$%1234'ed up stuff if you ask me.I mean I see, or saw, how the people in the streets of Iran re-acted to them...they wanted Blood.

Don't mean to go off topic and very happy they are home just the whole thing stinks like politics do stink...dat guy in Iran worries me...almost as much as Nancy Pelosie does taking senic trips to Syria...crazy lady/crazy people.

[1mPHUNit0]

Good news
Now get out of Iraq
And Al Mukawama falestinin please release BBC correspondent
please.

[Kapitan_Phillips]

And if you're reading this, Al Mukawama Falestinin, you still owe me that £5 from that game of tiddlywinks.


;)

[STEED]

Bloody cheek calling it a "gift to the UK" though

Propaganda war.

[toby66]

I thank god (or whoever) that the sailors were British. It seems like the Brits didn't forget how to use diplomacy and handle situations like this. It shows that they think before they shoot. Sadly this isn't true to all forces in the area. (http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=22824)

[ASWnut101]

ooohh, a Lieutenant Commander. Let me tell you something: Using one man to generalize an entire populace makes the poster quite ignorant (which in this case happens to be you).:down:

[toby66]

ooohh, a Lieutenant Commander. Let me tell you something: Using one man to generalize an entire populace makes the poster quite ignorant (which in this case happens to be you).:down:
You are right if you want to understand my post like that. You sure can't do that and I wouldn't think of it. I refered to some forces in the area, not to an entire nation. Please read the posts exactly before accusing someone of such a thing.

What I was talking about is this concret event and the forces involved in it. If the ship's commander hadn't handled the situation in this cool manner, it could have been very dangerous.

[Letum]

ooohh, a Lieutenant Commander. Let me tell you something: Using one man to generalize an entire populace makes the poster quite ignorant (which in this case happens to be you).:down:
You are right if you want to understand my post like that. You sure can't do that and I wouldn't think of it. I refered to some forces in the area, not to an entire nation. Please read the posts exactly before accusing someone of such a thing.

What I was talking about is this concret event and the forces involved in it. If the ship's commander hadn't handled the situation in this cool manner, it could have been very dangerous.

Looks like it's not just the Lieutenant Commander who should think twice before he jumps to the defense when he is not under attack. ;)

[Takeda Shingen]

As for the French they are just a bunch of chesse eating surender monkeys.

Enough of the attacks on the French. You all jump up and down when someone characterizes the United States or Great Britian unfairly. Accordingly, please do not do it to another nation or group of people.

Thank you,
The Management

[Jimbuna]

ooohh, a Lieutenant Commander. Let me tell you something: Using one man to generalize an entire populace makes the poster quite ignorant (which in this case happens to be you).:down:

let's just be grateful then that the said Lieutenant Commander was not called.....'Rambo' :hmm:

[STEED]

The British press has now turned on them now they are free with comments like, "Where was there British stiff upper lip." And "You only give them your name rank and serial number." Typical remarks but it will not be long before one newspaper calls them something stronger.

[August]

As for the French they are just a bunch of chesse eating surender monkeys.
I object to this post. Not only is it untrue, racist and rude to our longest standing allies who have shed their blood to defend our nation, it is also badly spelled which is indicative of the authors low intelligence.

[ASWnut101]

You are right if you want to understand my post like that. You sure can't do that and I wouldn't think of it. I refered to some forces in the area, not to an entire nation. Please read the posts exactly before accusing someone of such a thing.

Really?

It shows that they think before they shoot. Sadly this isn't true to all forces in the area.

By saying that (using proper English grammar) you referred to all of the forces in the area. So, yes, you did.

What I was talking about is this concret event and the forces involved in it. If the ship's commander hadn't handled the situation in this cool manner, it could have been very dangerous.

I agree, a little bit at least.

[gnirtS]

If it wasn't for the French, America wouldn't actually exist today.

America owes its very existance to the "cheese eating surrender monkeys"

[fredbass]

If it wasn't for the French, America wouldn't actually exist today.

America owes its very existance to the "cheese eating surrender monkeys"

You must have skipped your history lessons about WWII.

[gnirtS]

I think you'll find (i) american didnt win WW2 but more importantly (ii) when america was first fighting for existance it was those cheese eating surrender monkeys that actually made it possible. Without them independence war would have been lost.

For an american you seem to know very little about a supposedly vital piece of your nations history.

[fredbass]

I think you'll find (i) american didnt win WW2 but more importantly (ii) when america was first fighting for existance it was those cheese eating surrender monkeys that actually made it possible. Without them independence war would have been lost.

For an american you seem to know very little about a supposedly vital piece of your nations history.

I'm not going to argue about this nonsense your babbling about because it is off-topic in this thread. If you really feel it necessary to convince someone about your thoughts on this subject, then start your own thread. Thanks.

Oh, back on topic. Now that the sailors are free, lets give Iran a little spanking, shall we? :yep: :up:

[ASWnut101]

Dont'ya just love his sig?

I think that answers any questions to him about the whole Iran situation.

My two cents.

[ASWnut101]

...Anyway, back on topic (or was I already?):

I'm glad to see the group home. I also feel bad about them about the media and thier questions.

Reporter: "You said that you were in Iranian waters. Are you anti coalition? Do you hate the west? Are you an Iranian spy?"


Just give them a rest. The last thing they need is the media looking through their windows and filming thier house at 2:00 a.m.

[Takeda Shingen]

I think you'll find (i) american didnt win WW2 but more importantly (ii) when america was first fighting for existance it was those cheese eating surrender monkeys that actually made it possible. Without them independence war would have been lost.

For an american you seem to know very little about a supposedly vital piece of your nations history.

This thread is about the British sailors detained by the Iranian government in March/April of 2007. The Second World War ended in 1945. Create your own thread to engage in non-related semantics.

Thank you,
The Management

[STEED]

Are famous gutter press which has been licking Iran butt is over, now they are urging war. Well that's find by me drop the British gutter press on Iran.

[Jimbuna]

As for the French they are just a bunch of chesse eating surender monkeys.
I object to this post. Not only is it untrue, racist and rude to our longest standing allies who have shed their blood to defend our nation, it is also badly spelled which is indicative of the authors low intelligence.

:roll: AAALLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRMMMMM MMMM!!! :arrgh!:

[Lurchi]

I wonder if there is much difference between those british soldiers and some who are still in captivity at Guantanamo Bay.

To me this is a clear signal that Iran is willing to talk. I wonder where the pragmatism to deal with realities has gone - western ratio was always a strength in the past.

Ahmadinejad is the leader of this country and we have to live with this fact.

Instead of threatening Iran with war all the time some of those damned politicians should at least meet this guy and find out what he is really like, this is what they are paid for. I am tired of all those media **** which tries to imply me that Iran is an aggressive country, all iranians are fanatics and it's president is the devil himself.

Churchill talked to Stalin, Kennedy to Chruschtschow, Nixon to Mao and Begin to Sadat - this is rationality. Why the hell not Blair, Bush or our funny chancellor Merkel to Ahmadinejad? A war with Iran will result in massive bloodshed and will only help the muslim fanatics to radicalize Iran's youth who will otherwise change this country soon.

[Jimbuna]

As for the French they are just a bunch of chesse eating surender monkeys.
I object to this post. Not only is it untrue, racist and rude to our longest standing allies who have shed their blood to defend our nation, it is also badly spelled which is indicative of the authors low intelligence.

"Longest standing allies" eh? :hmm:
Have a look at this http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/text/france.html.....I'm sure you'll soon sus out the nationality of the author.
I for one do not appreciate personal and individualised attacks based on what you perceive to be an individuals intellectual level :nope:

[Takeda Shingen]

As for the French they are just a bunch of chesse eating surender monkeys.
I object to this post. Not only is it untrue, racist and rude to our longest standing allies who have shed their blood to defend our nation, it is also badly spelled which is indicative of the authors low intelligence.

"Longest standing allies" eh? :hmm:
Have a look at this http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/text/france.html.....I'm sure you'll soon sus out the nationality of the author.
I for one do not appreciate personal and individualised attacks based on what you perceive to be an individuals intellectual level :nope:

I will ask that the three of you either drop this, or take it up in PM. We are trying to keep threads on topic.

Thank you,
The Management

[toby66]

Instead of threatening Iran with war all the time some of those damned politicians should at least meet this guy and find out what he is really like, this is what they are paid for. I am tired of all those media **** which tries to imply me that Iran is an aggressive country, all iranians are fanatics and it's president is the devil himself.

Churchill talked to Stalin, Kennedy to Chruschtschow, Nixon to Mao and Begin to Sadat - this is rationality. Why the hell not Blair, Bush or our funny chancellor Merkel to Ahmadinejad? A war with Iran will result in massive bloodshed and will only help the muslim fanatics to radicalize Iran's youth who will otherwise change this country soon.

A very reasonable and well-thought post! I stopped posting because I felt it would get personal.

Thanks for taking back the threat from personal insults to a serious discussion.

[ASWnut101]

I wonder if there is much difference between those british soldiers and some who are still in captivity at Guantanamo Bay.

You could go there to find out, but.....

To me this is a clear signal that Iran is willing to talk. I wonder where the pragmatism to deal with realities has gone - western ratio was always a strength in the past.

Iran released the hostages only after they made us (Britain and USA) release some prisoners that we picked up in Iraq. If that's the only reason, which I belive it is, then that is a motive for kidnapping. I personally belive that the sailors were not in Iranian waters, nor what they said was true.

Ahmadinejad is the leader of this country and we have to live with this fact.

Or you can do something about it.

Instead of threatening Iran with war all the time some of those damned politicians should at least meet this guy and find out what he is really like, this is what they are paid for. I am tired of all those media **** which tries to imply me that Iran is an aggressive country, all iranians are fanatics and it's president is the devil himself.

Iran is not an aggressive country. The government and it's followers (about half of the country) are aggressive. That is if you don't find "Wiping Israel off the face of the Earth" aggressive.

Churchill talked to Stalin, Kennedy to Chruschtschow, Nixon to Mao and Begin to Sadat - this is rationality. Why the hell not Blair, Bush or our funny chancellor Merkel to Ahmadinejad? A war with Iran will result in massive bloodshed and will only help the muslim fanatics to radicalize Iran's youth who will otherwise change this country soon.

Hence the reason we haven't gone to war with Iran. Also, people are talking to him (he IS part of the UN), people like the UN Security Council and such.

[Lurchi]

Iran released the hostages only after they made us (Britain and USA) release some prisoners that we picked up in Iraq. I also don't believe that those british soldiers were in iranian waters. The same as one of our citizens who was imprisoned by Iran because of the same reasons while on a fishing trip.

On the other hand i also don't believe that all prisoners "picked up" in Iraq are terrorists. Obviously the US or Britain aren't so sure either - that's why they released them so quickly in exchange ...

Or you can do something about it. Let me guess: By war, yes?
That is a high price tag for removing a leader, as usual to be paid by numerous civilians and young soldiers - i doubt if this is really worth it and who knows who will follow him. This "democratic nation-building" thing through war just don't work in the islamic world.

That is if you don't find "Wiping Israel off the face of the Earth" aggressive. Mmmh, those are words - truly agressive, but not more aggressive than invading a neigbouring country, steaming in adjacent waters with several aircraft carriers waiting for a new "Gulf of Tonking" incident and talking about the usability of tactical nuclear weapons as if those were some sort of lightly enlarged fireworks.

Iran knows very well that it's military is no match for the US - they knew this even before the US sent additional carriers into the gulf. On the other hand they also know that the US is not able to occupy them and get 70 million iranians under control after the military clash is over.

A classical stalemate and the only solution is diplomacy.

Hence the reason we haven't gone to war with Iraq You haven't? So this happened on TV only?

Seriously, some things can only be solved in direct contact. This is why the US and the USSR introduced the "hot wire" as result of the Cuban missile crisis: Indirect communication through the UN or secondary diplomats is not effective enough and leads to dangerous misinterpretations. I don't understand why issues which can lead to war are not solved face to face between the highest leaders of the respective countries, what kind of silly diplomatics is this?

Concerning Iran i would say all that is needed is patience. It's population is very young and many Iranians refuse to send their children to Koran schools. The radicals suffered a heavy defeat during the last communal elections. The islamic revolution is already on its deathbed and the only way to save it is a war which would radicalize the youth and thus gather it behind their government.

[ASWnut101]

quick edit: When I said "we haven't gone to war with Iraq," I meant Iran. Oops.

[Yahoshua]

Quote:
That is if you don't find "Wiping Israel off the face of the Earth" aggressive.
Mmmh, those are words - truly agressive, but ..........

Ahmadinejad has stated many times that he's eager and willing to wipe Israel off the map, insinuating that he would use nuclear weapons to do so.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/10/26/ahmadinejad/

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/800098.html

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16149717/

When someone says that he's going to kill me, I'm not going to doubt him. So I'll kill him first and save myself from disaster.

After all, Ahmadinejads' held his infamous conference on Holocaust Denial, which sounds alot like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wannsee_Conference

I'm sure he's working on propaganda that would make Fritz Hippler proud of his "legacy."

http://www.earthstation1.com/Warposters/jingram/gwwii033.jpg

(Translation: The Eternal Jew. A documentary on the world of Jews. Designed [correctly translated as "Directed"] by Fritz Hippler, Music by Franz R. Friedl)

In light of this, be aware that such big talk from a nations' leader is not to be lightly considered nor nonchalantly thrown aside.

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k84/yahoshua/Smilies/popcorn-1.gif