Smoking is good for you

[waste gate]

'Smokers are at least doing their bit to slow down the runaway obesity epidemic that is sweeping through the western world. "In many studies, you often find smokers are slimmer'.

'Scientists have also found evidence that smoking might, in some circumstances, help prevent the onset of various dementias'.

And more things you should make a choice about.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,1013605,00.html

[blue3golf]

Finally, someone not telling me to quit.

[kiwi_2005]

Finally, someone not telling me to quit.

Yeah.

[Bertgang]

Being a smoker, I'm pleased hearing that.

Not totally new, anyway, and easy to use for opposite meaning.

In my country is available since years a sort of humoristic advertising telling about: smoking helps you in becoming slimmer.

The smoker in this picture is a skeleton.

[GreyOctober]

:|\\ Problem is, once you quit, you gain weight even if youre not stuffing anything down the pipe. Now wheres me pipe?, yarrrrrrrrrr :arrgh!:

[Dowly]

Oh ffs! Just when I decided to quit! :damn:

[danlisa]

Oh ffs! Just when I decided to quit! :damn:

Why do such a thing? Unless you want to 'bloat' out.:arrgh!: Wideboy Dowly.:hmm::rotfl:

[sonar732]

Even though I'm not a smoker...I'm surprised at all of the smoking bans going around. I heard on the news last night that a few baseball stadiums have banned smoking except in 'designated areas outside the stadium'. How can they be afraid of second hand smoke issues in an open air stadium? Numerous health institutions have even told their employees that they couldn't smoke in their car on the employer parking lot and if you get caught walking across the street to light up, you get a warning or write up on your record dooming you to not receiving a merrit raise. :nope::nope:

[danlisa]

I have to agree, although I don't begrudge a non-smoker clean air but there does seem to be a little bit of 'hysteria' going hand in hand with smoking bans.

It seems that we're heading towards a situation where you will only be allowed to smoke in your own home and if you are smoking outside, you will have to evade non-smokers or cross the street.:nope:

[Skybird]

Even though I'm not a smoker...I'm surprised at all of the smoking bans going around. I heard on the news last night that a few baseball stadiums have banned smoking except in 'designated areas outside the stadium'. How can they be afraid of second hand smoke issues in an open air stadium? Numerous health institutions have even told their employees that they couldn't smoke in their car on the employer parking lot and if you get caught walking across the street to light up, you get a warning or write up on your record dooming you to not receiving a merrit raise. :nope::nope:
If I happen to sit closer to a smoker in that arena, I am more concerned with the stinking he/she produces, than with my future health detoriating. ;) And the health institutions - have a special obligation, imo, to set an example. The same with hospitals.

[Dowly]

Oh ffs! Just when I decided to quit! :damn:
Why do such a thing? Unless you want to 'bloat' out.:arrgh!: Wideboy Dowly.:hmm::rotfl:

I´m out of money! Dont want to borrow from anyone, so need to just go and lick the ashtray if I want any nicotine.

[STEED]

Smoking good for you don't make me laugh.

It's the gravy train people and Scientists are making big money.

[danlisa]

Don't lick the ashtray, blah.:dead:

Shoot, there's a difference between going 'Cold Turkey' because you want to & because you have to.

Good Luck to you mate.:up:

BRB - Going for a smoke!
:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

[Dowly]

Don't lick the ashtray, blah.:dead:

Shoot, there's a difference between going 'Cold Turkey' because you want to & because you have to.

Good Luck to you mate.:up:

BRB - Going for a smoke!
:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

My head hurts & my heart beats like crazy. Besides, coffee tastes like crap without a smoke to go with it. :shifty:

[RedMenace]

Smoking good for you don't make me laugh.

It's the gravy train people and Scientists are making big money.

Bingo.

[Dowly]

Smoking good for you don't make me laugh.

It's the gravy train people and Scientists are making big money.
Bingo.

Ok ok, it is LESS BAD for you. Happy now? ;)

[micky1up]

smoking is a appetite suppresant but in no way can smoking can be see as being healthier and there is no link between being overweight and premature death same as there is no link to global warming being caused by humanity so dont believe all the lies that can be peddled , when you eat you affect no-one but yourself when you smoke you damage everyone within the smokes range

[Fish]

Oh ffs! Just when I decided to quit! :damn:

Stay sturdy.

A friend of me just got the message cancer in both his longs, they give hem three months.:cry:
He was a smoker all his live.

[Penelope_Grey]

Reason people put on weight after quitting is because their metabolism slows down to what it should be. Smoking regularly affects the metabolism. And when you stop your body has to basically self-right itself.

I don't consider my own smoking on weekends particularly harmful, 2 or 3 ciggies (menthol only) and 2 cigars and thats my lot per week. Smoking gives you a sort of, "hunger satisfied" feeling so that is why it helps combat eating in that respect, but if you do eat a smoker is as prone to weight gain as anybody.

[Kapitan_Phillips]

Smoking good for you don't make me laugh.

It's the gravy train people and Scientists are making big money.


Hear Hear!!

[Skweetis]

Bah! Good or bad, I ain't quittin' until 3 days after I'm dead. Buried in my favorite sneakers with a smoke in my mouth, thats how Ill go.

My Daddy didn't raise a quitter.

:|\\

Light 'em if you got 'em.

[kiwi_2005]

Oh ffs! Just when I decided to quit! :damn:
Why do such a thing? Unless you want to 'bloat' out.:arrgh!: Wideboy Dowly.:hmm::rotfl:

I´m out of money! Dont want to borrow from anyone, so need to just go and lick the ashtray if I want any nicotine.


:rotfl: :rotfl:

[RedMenace]

Bah! Good or bad, I ain't quittin' until 3 days after I'm dead. Buried in my favorite sneakers with a smoke in my mouth, thats how Ill go.

My Daddy didn't raise a quitter.

:|\\

Light 'em if you got 'em.

Hey man, even Bill Hicks tried to quit.:rotfl:

[LoBlo]

'Smokers are at least doing their bit to slow down the runaway obesity epidemic that is sweeping through the western world. "In many studies, you often find smokers are slimmer'.

'Scientists have also found evidence that smoking might, in some circumstances, help prevent the onset of various dementias'.

And more things you should make a choice about.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,1013605,00.html (http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,1013605,00.html)

If someone told you that Arsenic decreased risk of skin cancer, would you go out and start eating alot of Arsenic? The overall damage of these chemical exposures should be compared to their benefit. The damage of longstanding cigarette exposure is still very high.

[LoBlo]

Bah! Good or bad, I ain't quittin' until 3 days after I'm dead. Buried in my favorite sneakers with a smoke in my mouth, thats how Ill go.

My Daddy didn't raise a quitter.

:|\\

Light 'em if you got 'em.

I would be all for that, if we could deny smokers access to medical care to keep them from being such a financial burden on others. All the lung cancer chemotherapy, lobectomies, coronary stent placements, coronay artery bypass grafts, acute MIs with or without thrombolytic therapy, cardiac care unit admissions, hemicolectomies, ischemic strokes, carotid endarterectomies, abdominal aortic aneurysm repairs, and transitional cell carcinomas are all pretty costly.

All those health problems are expensive. You guys are a drain on society. Yep, that's right, you heard me...:huh:

[waste gate]

'Smokers are at least doing their bit to slow down the runaway obesity epidemic that is sweeping through the western world. "In many studies, you often find smokers are slimmer'.

'Scientists have also found evidence that smoking might, in some circumstances, help prevent the onset of various dementias'.

And more things you should make a choice about.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,1013605,00.html

If someone told you that Arsenic decreased risk of skin cancer, would you go out and start eating alot of Arsenic? The overall damage of these chemical exposures should be compared to their benefit. The damage of longstanding cigarette exposure is still very high.

That is a bit over the top as analogies go. Arsenic has been a known poison for centuries. How about driving an automobile. In the US, that activity kills more than 41,000 people every year. Yet, no one questions it unless the whole global warming issue is raised. Even then how many are willing to give up their freedom to make the choice, drive or not drive?

[waste gate]

Bah! Good or bad, I ain't quittin' until 3 days after I'm dead. Buried in my favorite sneakers with a smoke in my mouth, thats how Ill go.

My Daddy didn't raise a quitter.

:|\\

Light 'em if you got 'em.

I would be all for that, if we could deny smokers access to medical care to keep them from being such a financial burden on others. All the lung cancer chemotherapy, coronary stent placements, coronay artery bypass grafts, acute MIs with or without thrombolytic therapy, cardiac care unit admissions, hemicolectomies, ischemic strokes, carotid endarterectomies, abdominal aortic aneurysm repairs, and transitional cell carcinomas are all pretty costly.

All those health problems are expensive. You guys are a drain on society. Yep, that's right, you heard me.:huh:

Ultimately smokers die at a younger age than non-smokers and eat up less of the money. Non-smokers are more of a burden than smokers.

[donut]

Bah! Good or bad, I ain't quittin' until 3 days after I'm dead. Buried in my favorite sneakers with a smoke in my mouth, thats how Ill go.

My Daddy didn't raise a quitter.

:|\\

Light 'em if you got 'em.

I would be all for that, if we could deny smokers access to medical care to keep them from being such a financial burden on others. All the lung cancer chemotherapy, coronary stent placements, coronay artery bypass grafts, acute MIs with or without thrombolytic therapy, cardiac care unit admissions, hemicolectomies, ischemic strokes, carotid endarterectomies, abdominal aortic aneurysm repairs, and transitional cell carcinomas are all pretty costly.

All those health problems are expensive. You guys are a drain on society. Yep, that's right, you heard me.:huh:

Ultimately smokers die at a younger age than non-smokers and eat up less of the money. Non-smokers are more of a burden than smokers.

$0.02 In combat they gave cigs.free.Your going to die tomorrow:"Light 'em if you got 'em." Now that we are addicted,$4.50 or Quit,it's tax!:damn:

[STEED]

Slap more tax on £5 for a pack of 10 and £10 for a pack of 20. :smug:

[Kapitan_Phillips]

Slap more tax on £5 for a pack of 10 and £10 for a pack of 20. :smug:


Maybe we can do away with the upper-upper classes by making them so expensive that only they can afford them, thus killing them off with the cancer sticks ;)

[LoBlo]

That is a bit over the top as analogies go. Arsenic has been a known poison for centuries. How about driving an automobile. In the US, that activity kills more than 41,000 people every year. Yet, no one questions it unless the whole global warming issue is raised. Even then how many are willing to give up their freedom to make the choice, drive or not drive?

No, my analogy was appropriate. Anyone that doesn't know the health effects of cigarettes and tobacco by now has either been living under a rock or is a moron... or both. Its been known for decades that these are health detriments. And unlike driving (which has lifestyle benefits, advances person and society opprotunities, and gives personal and societal benefits), smoking is just dumb. Behold the moron's of our culture.

I would be all for that, if we could deny smokers access to medical care to keep them from being such a financial burden on others. All the lung cancer chemotherapy, coronary stent placements, coronay artery bypass grafts, acute MIs with or without thrombolytic therapy, cardiac care unit admissions, hemicolectomies, ischemic strokes, carotid endarterectomies, abdominal aortic aneurysm repairs, and transitional cell carcinomas are all pretty costly.

All those health problems are expensive. You guys are a drain on society. Yep, that's right, you heard me.:huh:

Ultimately smokers die at a younger age than non-smokers and eat up less of the money. Non-smokers are more of a burden than smokers.

Baloney. Sure smokers die younger, but instead of just croaking, these guys will ultimately drag their diseased selves to a doctor asking for him to help him with expensive procedures and whatnot instead of just croaking quietly.

"Doctor my heart hurts. Please fix me. BooHooHoo." (coronary disease)
"Doctor my arm is numb. Please fix me. BooHooHoo." (strokes)
"Doctor my legs burn. Please fix me. BooHooHoo" (peripheal vascular disease)
"Doctor, everything keeps going dark. Please fix me. BooHooHoo." (Carotid artery stenosis)
"Doctor there's blood in my stool. Please fix me. BooHooHoo" (colon cancer)
"Doctor I have the worst belly pain. Please fix me. BooHooHoo" (abdominal aortic aneurysm)
"Doctor there's blood in my urine. Please fix me. BooHooHoo" (transitional cell carcinoma)
"Doctor, I can't breathe. Please fix me. BooHooHoo" (chronic obstructive pulmonary disease)
"Doctor, I'm coughing up blood. Please fix me. BooHooHoo" (lung caner)

Like I said. If you guys would just croak it would be one thing. But instead you'll crawl into some hospital/er/doctor's office begging for expensive interventions, that will be paid for by 1) the government meaning taxpayers or 2) insurance meaning all others that buy into that insurance company. A pathetic drain on society. :down:

[Skweetis]

I would be all for that, if we could deny smokers access to medical care to keep them from being such a financial burden on others. All the lung cancer chemotherapy, lobectomies, coronary stent placements, coronay artery bypass grafts, acute MIs with or without thrombolytic therapy, cardiac care unit admissions, hemicolectomies, ischemic strokes, carotid endarterectomies, abdominal aortic aneurysm repairs, and transitional cell carcinomas are all pretty costly.

All those health problems are expensive. You guys are a drain on society. Yep, that's right, you heard me...:huh:

Thankfully I live in Canada, where the (justifyably) outrageous taxes I pay for cigarettes pays for our "free" health care system. At nearly $10 a pack (ie 25 cigarettes)... yeah, I pay my dues, and feel no guilt. If they banned smoking in Canada, goodbye healthcare, or welcome to GST Redux... 20% anyone?

Both my grandfathers were heavy smokers, lived and smoked well into their eighties, and neither died of smoking related causes. While this is more the exception than the rule, I'm not too worried for myself. Besides, the twilight years are the ones I want to miss anyway.

While I don't deny the dangers of smoking, all I have to say is that the odds of my second hand smoke directly causing the death of a non-smoker is a hell of a lot less than my death being directly related to being killed by a car driven by a non-smoker.

[Skweetis]

Anyone that doesn't know the health effects of cigarettes and tobacco by now has either been living under a rock or is a moron... or both. Its been known for decades that these are health detriments. And unlike driving (which has lifestyle benefits, advances person and society opprotunities, and gives personal and societal benefits), smoking is just dumb. Behold the moron's of our culture.

Im being a smartass here when I say: how many times have you visited any fast food joint this year, how many litres of booze consumed, ever use that mayo in your fridge that is at or beyond expiry date thinking "its only a suggestion" then wonder why your bum gets a little nervous the next day?

By this logic that the things we partake in that do not advance person and society, and only result in a drain on the medical system, then by default precedent, these also have to go:

Non Medical Alcohols
Fast/Fried Foods
Soft Drinks
Twinkies, Chips and other Junk Foods.
(the above will contribute more to health care drains in the next 20 years than smokers EVER had. Cancer aint curable, and not necessarily treatable in most cases. We die pretty quick, a short term but expensive drain, but diabetes... that **** sticks with you and you can live. Not to mention related kidney and liver issues, both of which in most cases they can keep you going a hell of a lot longer at higher than bargain prices!)

Mountain Biking
Sky Diving
Skate Boarding
(in fact, just about any extreme sport or activity that can result in prolonged medical care that serves no social purpose other than an Adrenaline rush. This does not include professional athletes, as the revenue and subsequent taxes more than adequetly cover their medical costs.)

Aluminum Cookware (I think this is already taken care of though)

I could name more, and I will if necessary, but I think I made my point.

So unless you are growing your own tomatoes with no pesticides, eating the boiled pork you just cut from your own slaughtered sow that has never been exposed to consuming animal by-products, growth hormones, excesive antibiotics, drive a hybrid car (bikes are dangerous, just ask my face, and fossil-fuel internal combustion is only, like, a hundred years outdated), have never sampled your brother -in-laws Secret Christmas Asskicking Eggnog while scarfing down some chinese food and only use stainless steel for cooking...

Don't razz me about a smoke or two :D

[kiwi_2005]

Words of advice. Any young ppl here just started up smoking, dont! get that packet and throw it away NOW! Not one more then i will, not i'll finish the packet first then stop. Throw it away now. Before the nicotine settles in your brain and you become addicted to smoking.

You wont regret it.

[Skweetis]

Words of advice. Any young ppl here just started up smoking, dont! get that packet and throw it away NOW! Not one more then i will, not i'll finish the packet first then stop. Throw it away now. Before the nicotine settles in your brain and you become addicted to smoking.

You wont regret it.

He's right! Sometimes I forget that all the people here may not be 30+, and I wouldn't want my arguments here misconstrued by a young audiance as an endorsement for smoking. DON'T SMOKE! Save your money and save your breath!

While I make light of the subject, and have fun debating and taking the opposing side. in reality, I am quite aware of my addiction to cigarettes and do fully believe that it is a terrible, filthy habit that will eventually kill me. There is a reason why I don't smoke in my house, because I wouldn't ever consider doing so within a hundred yards of my son. I have attempted to quit multiple times, and always hope that the next attempt will be successful. It's one hell of a monkey to shake.

My arguments here are intended more as debate on hypocrisy rather than endorsement.

Cheers Kiwi for reminding me of the impressionables.:up:

[kiwi_2005]

I have attempted to quit multiple times, and always hope that the next attempt will be successful. It's one hell of a monkey to shake.



Your not alone mate. I know ppl from my past who were heroin users that gave up that sh*t yet still smoke cigs they say heroin was so easy to give up compared to smoking.

They're clean drug free folks but, they still smoke, if that makes sense..

Smoking is the worse addictive drug on the planet and its LEGAL! :nope:

Thousands of young ppl start up smoking every day while the govenments just roll in the TAX they get from it. Whos the drug dealer now huh!

farkin madness.:nope:

[Penelope_Grey]

Nicotine is actually more addictive than heroin so I heard. I'm thinking of stopping myself, given that a lot of consideration lately.

[Kapitan_Phillips]

For those trying to quit, think of it in a submarine context. Every time you put one in your mouth and light it, you're depleting oxygen. Oxygen you need for your 50+ crew to survive ;)

[STEED]

For those trying to quit, think of it in a submarine context. Every time you put one in your mouth and light it, you're depleting oxygen. Oxygen you need for your 50+ crew to survive ;)

Better still take a walk through a heart and lung ward in a hospital I used to work with a guy who smoked 160 a day. He did it, when he reached the other end of the ward he never smoked again, what he saw scared him.

[Skybird]

Those of you wanting to quit smoking:
don't do it alone. Like there are the Anonymous Alcoholics, there are comparable groups for smokers. A friend whom you give agreement to treat you quite hard if needed (you try to smoke one), also is of help. He needs to will to do anything to get a fight started whenever you try to brake your indention to quit smoking. He must be willing to even slap your face as often as needed to get that fight started. an if it is in public and people are staring - let them stare. They don't mean anything to you.

therapy aiming at insights and making you aware of why it is unreasonable to smoke is useless and a waste of time, they never have made a single smokers stopping to smoke. Only behavioural therapy and behaviour alteration promises chances for success. and that may be a more difficult task and may lead you to more changes in your life than you may imagine in the beginning.

I use to say like it is a common word for alcoholics as well: once you have been an alcoholic, you will remain one for the rest of your life even when you become dry. You are always at risk of going back to it. It is the same with cigarettes. So: avoid places where there is smoking . change your behaviour, and if needed, your social life. Get rid of friends that do not care and do not stop smoking in your presence, or tell you that it is not so dangerous. If they don't do you that favour and don't accept that you try to stay clean, they are no real friends anyway. Always remember, you are a junkie. Once a junkie, forever a junkie. You never will be at peace with that drug. All you will ever get is a cease-fire. Don't accept to run into situations where you may be tempted to smoke a cigarette again. Skip such dates from your calender. Delete such friends from your list, at least as long as you haven' been clean for one year and won a certain amount of stability.

Again: the key word is alteration of behaviour. That's why it is so difficult to stop smoking, it is not so much the physiological dependency. What you need most is "robust" support by others, people who will not shy away but even start a fight with you when they see you trying to pick one up.

That's for the mental, the behavioural, the social side of it. For the physiological side of things, meet a doctor and therapist. If you are an extreme hardcore smoker smoking several packages per day, even a stationary decontamination during an artificial coma of 24-36 hours may be an option. Especially when you are abusing other drugs as well.

Moral of the story: find powerful allies!

[1mPHUNit0]

I don't smoke anithing.
And i don't know it's it's ok or not
to relax peoples
Sure there are more sane relax
I don't drink alcohol
or coffe
But i like Coca Cola, that sane it's not, and i walk
in a City too polluted
Than .....i really don't know

[Penelope_Grey]

Following some heated debate and such forth with Skybird and some other chap who wound me up... :lol:

I thought, this weekend, instead of smoking, I wouldn't. Don't ask me why, just felt I had to prove a point. Well..... had a go. Friday came along, normally 2 or 3 menthol cigarettes get smoked then. Nope, didn't touch one. Today, I actually, and this is true, forgot I was meant to be abstaining and I smoked my cigar as per normal, about half way down I realised I shouldn't be doing this.

Which has led me to realise, smoking is a very automatic thing! You just do it without even thinking.

[STEED]

smoking is a very automatic thing! You just do it without even thinking.

Just like breathing. :yep: Has anyone tried to stop breathing for 10 minutes? I don't think anyone has. :lol: :lol:

[Dowly]

to relax peoples


It´s 19hrs from my last smoke & I am jumping on the walls here. I feel like a angry gorilla with a electrified pole up my ***.

[micky1up]

smoking is a very automatic thing! You just do it without even thinking.

Just like breathing. :yep: Has anyone tried to stop breathing for 10 minutes? I don't think anyone has. :lol: :lol:


its because you have done if for so long and you have no will power

[STEED]

smoking is a very automatic thing! You just do it without even thinking.

Just like breathing. :yep: Has anyone tried to stop breathing for 10 minutes? I don't think anyone has. :lol: :lol:


its because you have done if for so long and you have no will power

Correct. :up: :up: :up: :up: :up:

[Skybird]

Following some heated debate and such forth with Skybird and some other chap who wound me up... :lol:

:lol: If you carry on your experiment of this weekend, maybe the biting and balking was worth it. ;)


Which has led me to realise, smoking is a very automatic thing! You just do it without even thinking.
:up: You sound promising!

[joea]

Good news, courage to Penelope and Dowly you guys can do it!!!

[Dowly]

Good news, courage to Penelope and Dowly you guys can do it!!!

You think I chose to do it!? I´m just out of cash ffs! :damn::damn:

[joea]

Good news, courage to Penelope and Dowly you guys can do it!!!
You think I chose to do it!? I´m just out of cash ffs! :damn::damn:

Ah well...:doh: good luck til you can get some cash.

[Dowly]

Good news, courage to Penelope and Dowly you guys can do it!!!
You think I chose to do it!? I´m just out of cash ffs! :damn::damn:
Ah well...:doh: good luck til you can get some cash.

Yeh, if I dont get any today, I most propably quit all together. Buuuut, I´ll fight till the end! :rotfl:

[kiwi_2005]

to relax peoples


It´s 19hrs from my last smoke & I am jumping on the walls here. I feel like a angry gorilla with a electrified pole up my ***.

:rotfl: :rotfl:
I have tried to give up so many times i just dont bother now, i think the only way for me is to go and see a hypnosis.

But i know what your going through. I can never get past the 3rd day. Told by a mate once ya get pass the 3rd day its a tiny relief, after the 7th day, your gotten through the hardest part. Its a breeze after that.

Good Luck man! :up:

[Dowly]

Good Luck man! :up:

No needed, just got a pack of smokes. Thank G-d. :rotfl:

[1mPHUNit0]

No needed, just got a pack of smokes.
It's Pasqua...were have you find it?
And they say that are laical states...all closed
i need a coca colaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[U-533]

I quit smoking 7 years ago...:up:

I bought a pack of smokes for 4 American dollars " Marlboro Reds in the Box " if you please.

They had just gone up in price from $3.50 a pack( I never went skimpy when I smoked so none of that off brand crap for me), I did some quick math

2 packs a day

sometimes 4 packs on Friday and Saturday cause the band would have a gig those nights

so...
lemme see


365 days X 2 + 49 weekends X 4 + an occasional pack thrown in to cover emergencies + the cost of two 99cent lighters per week - Im not gonna add in the cost of gas and wear and tear on my vehicals just to go get the damned things---------umm 3 carry the 9 ---umm hummm --- holy cow---

$2301.55

Give or take $100 for emergencies


This figure will very even more if I include the time lost from work because of sickness due to smoking and having to replace a pack that fell overboard out of my shirt pocket or got crushed cause I sat on them...

Maybe... umm ...round 4k a year

4k is being very flexible

If you want solid ...umm... $3500 is a number I can live with

So ...

3500 x 7= 24,500

$24,500 is what I have had to play with over 7 years...

$3500 a year buys a nice vacation or used car or boat...

User paritcipitation and addiction will very according to user will power. Your results will very.Remmember smoking is your chioce only you can prevent forrest fires and you will pay all costs for your choices. Only cigarettes smoke you suck.

:sunny: :sunny: :sunny: :sunny: :sunny:

[LoBlo]

Thankfully I live in Canada, where the (justifyably) outrageous taxes I pay for cigarettes pays for our "free" health care system. At nearly $10 a pack (ie 25 cigarettes)... yeah, I pay my dues, and feel no guilt. If they banned smoking in Canada, goodbye healthcare, or welcome to GST Redux... 20% anyone?
.

For $10 per pack... hm... ok, smoke away. More money for doctors :) :up: . Though you have to be an idiot to burn money like that. A pack per day smoker is burning $300 per monty, $3600 bucks per year, and hundreds of thousands of dollars per lifetime.

Im being a smartass here when I say: how many times have you visited any fast food joint this year, how many litres of booze consumed, ever use that mayo in your fridge that is at or beyond expiry date thinking "its only a suggestion" then wonder why your bum gets a little nervous the next day?

By this logic that the things we partake in that do not advance person and society, and only result in a drain on the medical system, then by default precedent, these also have to go:

Non Medical Alcohols
Fast/Fried Foods
Soft Drinks
Twinkies, Chips and other Junk Foods.
(the above will contribute more to health care drains in the next 20 years than smokers EVER had. Cancer aint curable, and not necessarily treatable in most cases. We die pretty quick, a short term but expensive drain, but diabetes... that **** sticks with you and you can live. Not to mention related kidney and liver issues, both of which in most cases they can keep you going a hell of a lot longer at higher than bargain prices!)

Mountain Biking
Sky Diving
Skate Boarding
(in fact, just about any extreme sport or activity that can result in prolonged medical care that serves no social purpose other than an Adrenaline rush. This does not include professional athletes, as the revenue and subsequent taxes more than adequetly cover their medical costs.)

Aluminum Cookware (I think this is already taken care of though)

I could name more, and I will if necessary, but I think I made my point.

So unless you are growing your own tomatoes with no pesticides, eating the boiled pork you just cut from your own slaughtered sow that has never been exposed to consuming animal by-products, growth hormones, excesive antibiotics, drive a hybrid car (bikes are dangerous, just ask my face, and fossil-fuel internal combustion is only, like, a hundred years outdated), have never sampled your brother -in-laws Secret Christmas Asskicking Eggnog while scarfing down some chinese food and only use stainless steel for cooking...

Don't razz me about a smoke or two :D

Don't get me started on unhealthy diets. Two words.... "Fat tax" :yep: :o

[kiwi_2005]

For $10 per pack... hm... ok, smoke away. More money for doctors :) :up: . Though you have to be an idiot to burn money like that. A pack per day smoker is burning $300 per monty, $3600 bucks per year, and hundreds of thousands of dollars per lifetime.



Yes that is crazy thats why i smoke "roll your own" tobbacco, a packet of 30gram tobbacco "Port Royal" cost me $17 and lasts about 10 days. I can roll around 100-130 ciggarettes from it.

Tobbacco works out way cheaper tastes better and has less nicotine compare to no flavour 20pack tailormades.

[STEED]

All smoking is banned on the internet in the UK, that means no smoking on line.

http://www.handsonhealth-sc.org/images/A/scbhp/no_smoking.gif


Another great idea bought to you by the British Labour Government. ;)

[kurtz]

there is no link between being overweight and premature death same as there is no link to global warming being caused by humanity

I beg to differ on both counts!

[Wim Libaers]

to relax peoples

It´s 19hrs from my last smoke & I am jumping on the walls here. I feel like a angry gorilla with a electrified pole up my ***.

When people make such comparisons, I always wonder how they know how the animal would feel. Then again, perhaps I do not really want to know the answer...

[squigian]

Allegedly, smoking's not necessary to stay slim. By eating mainly fresh fruit, vegetables, fish and white meat in moderate amounts and drinking fruit juice most of the time, combined with an hour a day of light exercise, you can apparently maintain a healthy figure. Sounds like another diet fad to me.

[Skweetis]

I gotta say, I was mighty disappointed when my father started smoking again. He had quit for 9 years, and as we had discussed over that time, the urge would still tempt him from time to time. He had told me that he had continuously dreamed of smoking.

He finally succumbed to his urges about a year ago, and almost immediately was back up to his old 2 packs a day routine (thats 50 cigs a day in Canada).

And he hates it.

For those who have never smoked, know this: Once a smoker ALWAYS a smoker, whether you quit or not... the craving will be there and haunt you forever. If you haven't smoked, DONT START.... if you do already, and are attempting to quit, best of luck, and DONT CAVE IN!!!!

Dowly, I know you're in the brig, and no doubt you need an outlet... Wish you best of luck, and hope you make it through!

Cheers.

[Penelope_Grey]

Didn't quite get the job done. I wasn't actually craving weekend just gone but I was missing something. Sunday night, I ended my experiment and had a couple of menthol cigs and hit the nail on the head. I was missing the actual act of smoking. I think I see smoking as a hobby more than anything else. Plus its a little hard to avoid and relinquish it when my dad smokes and my best friend smokes.

[Kapitan_Phillips]

Frankly, anyone who smokes is a fool. And dont tell me "It calms me down". You're really trying to tell me there's nothing else that works?

I've never smoked. Never will either. I've lost many a relative thanks to those <bleeping> white sticks, and most of my friends at school smoke, some for no reason other than to fit in. My dad had smoked for around 7 years, before he decided "Thats enough" and stopped, just like that. 7 years, and he needed no patches, no gum, none of that crap.

Just think about that, the next time you light up.

[STEED]

Here's how to stop smoking. Automatic death sentence if you smoke. :shifty:

Well moving on, smokers should be forced to visit hospitals with heart and lung wards and if that dose not stop you smoking nothing will.

[Tchocky]

jeez Steed, nanny state much? :)

[STEED]

jeez Steed, nanny state much? :)

Have you seen the affects of smoking and watch someone die from it?

[waste gate]

Smoking was good for this woman.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,266781,00.html

[Tchocky]

jeez Steed, nanny state much? :)
Have you seen the affects of smoking and watch someone die from it?
Effects, yes. Never seen someone die from it, but if it happens to me I'll video it. It's a strong possibility at this stage. Should probably quit

[Dowly]

Frankly, anyone who smokes is a fool. And dont tell me "It calms me down". You're really trying to tell me there's nothing else that works?

I've never smoked. Never will either. I've lost many a relative thanks to those <bleeping> white sticks, and most of my friends at school smoke, some for no reason other than to fit in. My dad had smoked for around 7 years, before he decided "Thats enough" and stopped, just like that. 7 years, and he needed no patches, no gum, none of that crap.

Just think about that, the next time you light up.

Dont want to sound rude or anything, but if you have never smoked, who are you to call the ones who smoke fools? ;)

[waste gate]

Frankly, anyone who smokes is a fool. And dont tell me "It calms me down". You're really trying to tell me there's nothing else that works?

I've never smoked. Never will either. I've lost many a relative thanks to those <bleeping> white sticks, and most of my friends at school smoke, some for no reason other than to fit in. My dad had smoked for around 7 years, before he decided "Thats enough" and stopped, just like that. 7 years, and he needed no patches, no gum, none of that crap.

Just think about that, the next time you light up.

Dont want to sound rude or anything, but if you have never smoked, who are you to call the ones who smoke fools? ;)

Dowly, you are a lesser human because you smoke. Kapitan_Phillips was only being kind by calling you a fool.

[Tchocky]

Dowly, you are a lesser human because you smoke. Kapitan_Phillips was only being kind by calling you a fool.
How do you mean, "lesser"?

or wait....dammit have I just taken you seriously again?

[Letum]

Dowly, you are a lesser human because you smoke. Kapitan_Phillips was only being kind by calling you a fool. How do you mean, "lesser"?

or wait....dammit have I just taken you seriously again?
Have you read through the bee thread?
:rotfl:

[Tchocky]

That's what I meant by again

I'm just such a trusting person :D

[STEED]

Frankly, anyone who smokes is a fool. And dont tell me "It calms me down". You're really trying to tell me there's nothing else that works?

I've never smoked. Never will either. I've lost many a relative thanks to those <bleeping> white sticks, and most of my friends at school smoke, some for no reason other than to fit in. My dad had smoked for around 7 years, before he decided "Thats enough" and stopped, just like that. 7 years, and he needed no patches, no gum, none of that crap.

Just think about that, the next time you light up.

Dont want to sound rude or anything, but if you have never smoked, who are you to call the ones who smoke fools? ;)

Well I used to smoke and I was a bloody fool to smoke. I gave up ten years ago and I feel better for it.