To all those dissatisfied with SH4

[Kapitan_Phillips]

Please. For the love of the lord, get over it.

Yes. Ubisoft suck for rushing the devs.
Yes. There are alot of things unfinished.
Yes. There are alot of bugs.
Yes. There are things we'd like to see that arent in there.

But remember amongst all your complaints, that there's a team of devs in Romania working their butts off to make up for it, and working their butts off to bring us a truly great sim.

That cant be achieved when the best source for bug information and suggestions - the players and this community - whines and complains that something or other doesnt work, or something or other isnt in there, knowing that Emil and his troops are doing their best to rectify the situation.

Dont get me wrong. There have been numerous constructive, and very helpful posts and threads, and I appreciate how people are trying to give everyone temporary fixes till the new patch comes out. But for christ sake, enjoy the game whilst you wait. Remember, time spent complaining means less time finding something you like.


[/Rant]

[fastfed]

I hear you, and even though I made my post about the negative stuff, I still agree..

But don't think for one minute that the DEV'S really look at this board or any board to see what bugs are out there..

They do their own testing.. And obviously my point will be proven when the next patch comes out with bugs still in place..

[AVGWarhawk]

I'm enjoying the ever-living-crap out of it. It is a great game despite the glitch or two. I love my wife and I enjoy the ever-living-crap out of her despite the glitch or two she has. Can the development team look into patching her?;)

I love SH4, I think the PPF graphics are just wonderful and career is nice. I'm patiently waiting on a patch:yep:

[Kapitan_Phillips]

I hear you, and even though I made my post about the negative stuff, I still agree..

But don't think for one minute that the DEV'S really look at this board or any board to see what bugs are out there..

They do their own testing.. And obviously my point will be proven when the next patch comes out with bugs still in place..


Quite the contrary, it was this community that hassled the devs for a dynamic campaign in SH3. Devs do indeed visit this forum, hence why the higher powers have culminated all the bugs into one place.

[AVGWarhawk]

Agreed Kapt. I notice a few things requested that are in the SH4 game...longer repair times for one.:yep: Dynamic campaigns for two:yep:

[fastfed]

Well it wouldn't be the first time I am wrong :)

But in all reality I cannot wait to play SH4, I like most of you, still love sub games, at the current moment I just got into GWX, yea I never even knew it existed. The GWX mod for SH3 is so sick, I cannot get over that damn game..

So I will be back all, trust me, give me some months, in the meantime I will be upgrading my computer to handle the max of SH4. Which was beutiful

[E.Hartmann]

I love fan boys...


Cheer cheer hip hip hurarry

[1mPHUNit0]

hops!
There is a Dynamic campaigns?!?
Are you sure?
Then it does't work
4 times the same patrol zone
4 times the same missions
I'm quite sure......the same contacts in the same zone

Not the first time that happened, i'm quite sure
Sometimes work, sometimes not

[elite_hunter_sh3]

like i said earlier and i quote myself:up:

omg...... stop whining..... FFS every game that is released on this planet has bugs.....especially pc games.... suck it up stop complaining week and half after it came out and...... just please all the whiners shut it.. you guys keep whining more pressure on the devs to release the patch.. pressure = mistakes = bugs not fixed.. so relax stop creating useless whiner threads like these. if u whine about the bugs stop playing sh4 and go back to sh3 until the last patch comes out, and keep it to yourself dont go telling the whole world saying OMG sh4 bugs OMG!! im goin back to sh3 waaa waa waa... basically shut it and go back,.:up:

[John Channing]

I love fan boys...


Cheer cheer hip hip hurarry

I love people who treat others with respect, even though they may disagree with them

Makes my job a lot easier.

JCC

[John Channing]

I hear you, and even though I made my post about the negative stuff, I still agree..

But don't think for one minute that the DEV'S really look at this board or any board to see what bugs are out there..

They do their own testing.. And obviously my point will be proven when the next patch comes out with bugs still in place..

You are sooooooo wrong I wouldn't even know where to begin.

Just because you may not be involved in the process, don't think for a second that others aren't.

JCC

[elite_hunter_sh3]

Please. For the love of the lord, get over it.

Yes. Ubisoft suck for rushing the devs.
Yes. There are alot of things unfinished.
Yes. There are alot of bugs.
Yes. There are things we'd like to see that arent in there.

But remember amongst all your complaints, that there's a team of devs in Romania working their butts off to make up for it, and working their butts off to bring us a truly great sim.

That cant be achieved when the best source for bug information and suggestions - the players and this community - whines and complains that something or other doesnt work, or something or other isnt in there, knowing that Emil and his troops are doing their best to rectify the situation.

Dont get me wrong. There have been numerous constructive, and very helpful posts and threads, and I appreciate how people are trying to give everyone temporary fixes till the new patch comes out. But for christ sake, enjoy the game whilst you wait. Remember, time spent complaining means less time finding something you like.


[/Rant]

i approve of this post :up:

[AVGWarhawk]

I'm a fan boy and I like it:yep:

[elite_hunter_sh3]

no matter wut pple say ill always be behind the devs and always support them,cuz they made excellent games, sh3 and sh4, thumbs up to the devs:up: donation for mugs again anyone?? or how bout the alamanac??

[Takeda Shingen]

I love fan boys...


Cheer cheer hip hip hurarry

I love people who treat others with respect, even though they may disagree with them

Makes my job a lot easier.

JCC

It has gotten to the point that I have to scroll all the way down the page before posting in an effort to see if Channing has beaten me to the river, so to speak. I'm supposed to be the forum's resident counterpuncher, dang it. You are too fast.

**shaking fist at computer screen**

[fastfed]

I hear you, and even though I made my post about the negative stuff, I still agree..

But don't think for one minute that the DEV'S really look at this board or any board to see what bugs are out there..

They do their own testing.. And obviously my point will be proven when the next patch comes out with bugs still in place..

You are sooooooo wrong I wouldn't even know where to begin.

Just because you may not be involved in the process, don't think for a second that others aren't.

JCC

Like I said it wouldn't be the first time I am wrong.. But instead of just saying it, why not prove me wrong..

show me a devloper that is posting on this board

[Kapitan_Phillips]

I love fan boys...


Cheer cheer hip hip hurarry


No, I'm no fan boy. I'm just someone who respects the work and dedication that goes into making a game.

[jtm55]

Hi All,

As I said this Sim Is Great. The Developers have done a Great Job


Destroyer off the Port Bow, Ooops gotta go.

[TheSatyr]

What you don't seem to get is just because they don't post here doesn't mean they aren't reading the boards.

Besides...if they did post here people would be all over them with tons of questions that the devs don't have time to answer...they do have other things they need to do...like "work".

[mookiemookie]

Like I said it wouldn't be the first time I am wrong.. But instead of just saying it, why not prove me wrong..


http://www.subsim.com/ssr/sh4/P8180046.JPG

[Avatar]

I agree. This is one helluva subsim. It can only get better.

[Lost@Sea]

I for one can not remember at anytime in the history of PC gaming, a game that was released in a "perfect" state. Even if relatively bug free, you would still read "They got this wrong." or "This should be like that." ect.

For such a short development time, I think this is a great sim as it is, given the scope of the project. We could all be twiddling our thumbs and posting "Hurry up and finish" threads, instead of playing a very playable if not perfect sub sim, if Ubi desided to wait until it was 100% polished and tested to the max.

Sure some of the bugs are readily odvious and should have been detected during beta, but we all know issues with it will be resolved asap, and having the game on PC's world wide, all bugs will show much sooner and be able to be fixed in far less patches and development time.

We are all testers of this game. Well written feedback to Ubi will yield far better results than some of the very negative feedback I've read.

Just my 2 cents, I'm not trying to ruffle feathers here.

[fastfed]

Like I said it wouldn't be the first time I am wrong.. But instead of just saying it, why not prove me wrong..


http://www.subsim.com/ssr/sh4/P8180046.JPG

LMAO!! that's cute.. was that picture taken at sears??

Look, I could care less if they read it or not. But the proof IS NOT IN THE PUDDING! If they read anything on this board, years ago when we had millions of post's about wishlist's you think they would add those things? Maybe atleast 30% of most of the wishlist's??

Bottom line is they cheaped out on alot of stuff and they can because this game is not a big ONLINE game where people will talk and the word will spread..

95% of people that buy this game will be by impulse " Look a sub game "
not like many other games..

In anycase a picture of Dev with a book open to some specs of a sub and his monitor on our forum really doesn't tell me much other than someone like Neil had contact and asked for this set up picture to be taken..

Again if they really read this board the way you all think they do there would be allot more responce, I can bet at this point most of the Dev's are retired with this game except a few just to fix some stuff, and that won't even be focused much because they have other projects to get to.

[mookiemookie]

Like I said it wouldn't be the first time I am wrong.. But instead of just saying it, why not prove me wrong..


http://www.subsim.com/ssr/sh4/P8180046.JPG

LMAO!! that's cute.. was that picture taken at sears??

Look, I could care less if they read it or not. But the proof IS NOT IN THE PUDDING! If they read anything on this board, years ago when we had millions of post's about wishlist's you think they would add those things? Maybe atleast 30% of most of the wishlist's??

Bottom line is they cheaped out on alot of stuff and they can because this game is not a big ONLINE game where people will talk and the word will spread..

95% of people that buy this game will be by impulse " Look a sub game "
not like many other games..

In anycase a picture of Dev with a book open to some specs of a sub and his monitor on our forum really doesn't tell me much other than someone like Neil had contact and asked for this set up picture to be taken..

Again if they really read this board the way you all think they do there would be allot more responce, I can bet at this point most of the Dev's are retired with this game except a few just to fix some stuff, and that won't even be focused much because they have other projects to get to.

Well, no proof will satisfy you so its a waste of time anyways.

I find it funny that you complain that you think the devlopers not working hard enough on SH4, and then you turn around and complain that they don't spend enough time posting on forums. :hmm:

You have obviously made up their mind that SH4 is the source of all the worlds ills. Fine, bully for you. But do you have to keep reposting it over and over and over?

[Grunt]

Ill make you a deal.

Ubi gives me my $50 back, no more complaints.

[Hitman]

I have been seeing many people in these forums complaining about the current Sh4 status, I have read their reasons for that, I have mentally agreeded to a certain extent with them....but above all in my mind I have a picture: A picture of the good old Silent Service in my Commodore Amiga....a picture that slides into SH1 1.0 with some bugs and a maximum 256x time compression :doh: ...a picture that turns into the beautiful expansion disks and patches -difficult as hell to get here in Spain, at a time when no one seemed to know that the US did make something else than burgers and gas-guzzling cars-, a picture of a conversion of SH2 into a US subs game (after some 1000+ hours of work) and a picture of a looooooong wait until a new sim about US sims comes out. A really great sim, with huge potential.

I recognize that I might not be nowadays fully impartial. I'm not a just-arrived gamer who has bought in the shop for 40$ (or whatever) a DVD box with something called "Silent Hunter 4" inside, but.....I am VERY happy to see we have finally got to the end of a long way and have SH4 here.

Go on, those of you who critisize anything. You might be right on some or even many aspects. But I made the long and lonely "desert crossing" and I see what the present and near-future brings: The best ever pacific submarines game. And I'm happy with what I see coming!

I have waited too long to see this, just to waste my time now in whining about some bugs that will be addressed soon.

@Kaptain Phillips: I'm with you :up:

[DaMaGe007]

Cripes !! Is that what a romainian looks like !
Scarey Stuff :)

I seem to remember a poster named Eniaba or somthing, was supposed to be a dev.
Im sure they do read these forums somewhat, and Im pretty sure the bug thread gets a good look in, in particular.

They also may be posing with out revealing themselves.

Sneaky those romainians...

[Kapitan_Phillips]

In anycase a picture of Dev with a book open to some specs of a sub and his monitor on our forum really doesn't tell me much other than someone like Neil had contact and asked for this set up picture to be taken..


:rotfl: Yeah, Neal and the devs really have time for that.

[Lost@Sea]

In anycase a picture of Dev with a book open to some specs of a sub and his monitor on our forum really doesn't tell me much other than someone like Neil had contact and asked for this set up picture to be taken..


Holy conspiracy theory Batman. Better call Fox Mulder. The truth is out there.

[Hartmann]

One thing is release a game finished, and with the time, users detect some bugs or problems that are fixed in future patches.

And the other (sh4) is release a game , unfinished, full of bugs, including some from sh3 . and with a too heavy hardware specs, probably an not optimized graphics.:nope:

They have less time to do it, but is the sh3 engine, modified for improved graphics, so, a lot of work was done, perhaps the new enviroment effects take too many time in the work.

[Immacolata]

I love SHIV for its... charm. Yes, the game is charming. I just cannot help but feel happy when I spend a few minutes on the deck as the rain pours down and I hear the water crashing onto the deck.

I've completed my 5th patrol now, and Ill take a break. But do not think I'm fed up with it. I just want to take this game in bits. It was the same with SHIII. The game was charming. Sometimes charm makes up for a lot of other little defects... just like with wives ^^

[elite_hunter_sh3]

game is good, bugs are there like any other newly released game, stalker has bugs, so does sh4, so did wacraft 1 when it came out, same with startcraft when it came out, and the same goes for millions of other games out there. there are bugs,nevertheless sh4 is a good submarine simulator, and the graphics make it a game also which is a good combo. sh4 rules end of thread.:up:

[PeriscopeDepth]

The lead designer posted about half way down in this thread today http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=108874&page=3.

One thing is release a game finished, and with the time, users detect some bugs or problems that are fixed in future patches.

And the other (sh4) is release a game , unfinished, full of bugs, including some from sh3 . and with a too heavy hardware specs, probably an not optimized graphics.:nope:

They have less time to do it, but is the sh3 engine, modified for improved graphics, so, a lot of work was done, perhaps the new enviroment effects take too many time in the work.
Well, you can always go play that other WWII subsim that came out recently...Oh, wait...Ain't nothin ever gonna be perfect, enjoy what you have.

PD

[Joe S]

I can only say I partially agree with the original post in this thread. I do think we have a right to complain, after all the company got my $50 and I did not get my $50 bucks worth, at least not yet.

I do not expect perfection, nor do I expect the Dev team to make a product to my personal preferences. However, they dropped the ball big time on a few issues and I don t know how they could have missed them.
Just to mention a few: so called sound effects, a big part of the immersion of the game, considering the state of the art and what has already been done I think the consumer deserves much better than what we got. Same goes for crew voices, every sim since AOD had better crew voices than what we got in SHIV.


We all have stacks of computer sims that never matched our expectations, pay the money and after the dissappointment let them sit on the shelf until they get thrown away. Meanwhile, the company has our (now their) money. I think the mods are great but a bunch of talented people shouldnt have to donate their time to fix something that the Company got paid for.

I hope this isnt true but I suspect that flashy eye candy sells computer games and the Company put most of their efforts into eye candy at the expense of gameplay.
There are a few sims that I have truly enjoyed, and that delivered the goods in terms of gameplay: Sub Battle Simulator, no graphics or sounds but great gameplay, played that sim more than all others combined, Battle of Britain, Thier finest Hour, Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe, Silent Hunter I, Silent Hunter III, European Air War,IL2 Sturmovik.

A new sim in a certain genre should start where the last one left off and take it further, not take a step behind. Just my opinion, WHIW. Joe S

[Cakewalk]

Stone me for it, I love SH4. So it might have a few bugs... they honestly don't bother my gameplay. In fact, I've found awesome workarounds for most, some which make the game even MORE realistic.:up:

I'll wait for the patches, sure... but in the meantime, there's ships out there to be eaten.:sunny:

[heartc]

I have been seeing many people in these forums complaining about the current Sh4 status, I have read their reasons for that, I have mentally agreeded to a certain extent with them....but above all in my mind I have a picture: A picture of the good old Silent Service in my Commodore Amiga....a picture that slides into SH1 1.0 with some bugs and a maximum 256x time compression :doh: ...a picture that turns into the beautiful expansion disks and patches -difficult as hell to get here in Spain, at a time when no one seemed to know that the US did make something else than burgers and gas-guzzling cars-, a picture of a conversion of SH2 into a US subs game (after some 1000+ hours of work) and a picture of a looooooong wait until a new sim about US sims comes out. A really great sim, with huge potential.

I recognize that I might not be nowadays fully impartial. I'm not a just-arrived gamer who has bought in the shop for 40$ (or whatever) a DVD box with something called "Silent Hunter 4" inside, but.....I am VERY happy to see we have finally got to the end of a long way and have SH4 here.

Go on, those of you who critisize anything. You might be right on some or even many aspects. But I made the long and lonely "desert crossing" and I see what the present and near-future brings: The best ever pacific submarines game. And I'm happy with what I see coming!

I have waited too long to see this, just to waste my time now in whining about some bugs that will be addressed soon.

@Kaptain Phillips: I'm with you :up:
I can only add my signature to that (except for the Pacific Aces Dev part, where I was no member in).

The Romanian Dev team just delivered another excellent simulation of naval warfare, which is a niche market within a niche market anyway, just to mention that in case someone forgot about it. It's been a long way, and albeit they might have gotten some things wrong/bugged, I've been so sick of running U-Boats against the same kind of convoys over and over and over, and am glad to be back in the Pacific - "Let's party like it's 1996". Hell, we are talking ELEVEN YEARS here. Some of the ppl posting on these boards weren't even yet outa their diapers at that time. In this context, I found the notion of some ppl that "Next subsim must be Atlantic!!!!111!!" hilarious, and from what one can gather from sales figures as of yet, it wasn't exactly a mistake to ignore that either.

[Kapitan_Phillips]

I can only say I partially agree with the original post in this thread. I do think we have a right to complain, after all the company got my $50 and I did not get my $50 bucks worth, at least not yet.
There were some good points in your post, Joe, but to be fair, you're not being asked to spend any more money on the game. No doubt, there are some games that once released, are never updated (EA Games, anyone?) but not with the SH series. The patches are free and what you'd get once the devs (and dare I say the modders) are through, would be more than worth it, in my opinion - just look at GWX. If that mod had been implemented into the stock game, and released as SH3, then the value would've shot up. But instead, its free for everyone to use, and its basically SH 3.5.

Dont lose hope :up:

[Onkel Neal]

Please. For the love of the lord, get over it.

Yes. Ubisoft suck for rushing the devs.
Yes. There are alot of things unfinished.
Yes. There are alot of bugs.
Yes. There are things we'd like to see that arent in there.

But remember amongst all your complaints, that there's a team of devs in Romania working their butts off to make up for it, and working their butts off to bring us a truly great sim.

That cant be achieved when the best source for bug information and suggestions - the players and this community - whines and complains that something or other doesnt work, or something or other isnt in there, knowing that Emil and his troops are doing their best to rectify the situation.

Dont get me wrong. There have been numerous constructive, and very helpful posts and threads, and I appreciate how people are trying to give everyone temporary fixes till the new patch comes out. But for christ sake, enjoy the game whilst you wait. Remember, time spent complaining means less time finding something you like.


[/Rant]

That's one for the ages, great statement, KP. :up: You hit the nail on the head. Used to be a lot more people with that attitiude around here... I miss it.

[Kapitan_Phillips]

Ahhh now I feel all fuzzy inside :arrgh!:

[Werewolf13]

... It is a great game despite the glitch or two. A glitch or two????? :damn:

That's like calling the Ice Age a minor cold snap.

Get real people. I'm sitting here looking at over 500 PC game boxes on the shelves in my game room collected and played over the last 15 or so years and SH4 is right up there in the top 10 of most buggy games on release I've ever played. In fact I'm trying real hard to think of one that was buggier and all I can come up with is Man of War published by Strategy First about 8 or 10 years ago and 360's WWII in Europe game - Command Decision or something like that.

Why can't y'all call a spade a spade? Ubi blew it. The developers blew it. If SH4 was beta tested at all would be a real big surprise AND if it actually was the beta testers all ought to be taken out into the woods, stripped naked, covered with honey and staked out on a fire ant hill - along with the devs and the UBI suits that let this abomination out the door unfinished. That's SH4's major problem. It isn't finished, it wasn't tested (no way).

Sorry but playing nice isn't gonna cut it this time.

[Kapitan_Phillips]

How can you blame the devs? They did what they could. They dont exactly submit a game when they think its done, you know.

[Grunt]

game is good, bugs are there like any other newly released game, stalker has bugs, so does sh4, so did wacraft 1 when it came out,:up:

I have STALKER, and let me clarify that the bugs in STALKER merely provide a minor speedbump against gameplay.

The bugs in SH4 are myriad, a virtual minefield with machine gun towers and random arty strikes between you and an enjoyable experience.

Theres a difference between "oops, we let a few bugs slip out with the game." and "FOR GODS SAKE SOMEONE CALL AN EXTERMINATOR!"

[jtm55]

Hi All,

What's going on here? I've been coming to this Great Site now for years. One of Main reasons for me doing so was that Everyone had such a Positive attitude. While I rarely post I would always visit, to see what was new in the Subsim Community. I have every Silent Hunter Sim from the original Commanders Edition to Wolves of the Pacific, including the Pacific Aces Mod. Frankly I don't understand what's got so many Folk steamed up. The Developers worked very hard to put together this Sim, & for folk to try to make it seem as though it's half baked is just wrong. I see post were Folk are saying the Developers don't visit this Site & such. That's just wrong, they do. How is it that so many of the features that so many folk here have asked for are included in this fine Sim. Are there some Bugs? Judging from all of the negative post I've seen I'd say yes there are some. I personally haven't experienced any. I've been on two patrols, sunk about 28,000 tons of shipping, had hell depth charge out of me twice & I'm just loving this Sim.

I remember reading quite a while back right Here at this site about why there wasn't that many Subsims. The article went on to explain Subsims are somewhat complicated. If one wants to play & be effective & get maximum enjoyment out of the Sim, one must invest time learning how it's done. Well that eliminates a lot of Folk. The article went on to explain that Subsim Enthusiast are a demanding lot. That Developers don't relish the thought of puttting considerable time & effort in bringing a Sim to life only to have their efforts go unappreciated. Finally there was Money. Everyone wants to make a profit. Notice how money was last in the equation. The Developers are just as passionate about these Sims as we are. I'm sure They are working very hard to correct whatever Bugs that some Folk are having. A little patience isn't to much to ask now is it?

Sorry for the rant, I find it disturbing that so many Folk are knocking this Sim. It's Good right now & it's going to get even better. You wait & see.

[Marko_Ramius]

Even if i have said bad things about SH4, and if i'm still be verry worried, i support the devs team with all my heart.

I pray for this team for finishing this game, i really hope cause i love subsim, and we have not a lot of choice. So bless them for their work.


BUT : If something don't work, someone must complain. Sometimes, it is reported with maybe too much passion, but it must be reported. We cannot shut the eyes, and must be objective. SH4, in his actual statement is really almost "borderline". Never saw a so awful rendering image quality, while the promotion was based on graphics .. Really hope we will have FSAA cause with some filtering, the game will become beautiful. The bugs can be repaired, but the choice of the graphic engine make me disapointed.


Really Dev team if you read this, Bless you for have done yet, but keep up the work hard, a lot of things remains to do. We are confident on you.

[John Channing]

Hi All,

What's going on here? I've been coming to this Great Site now for years. One of Main reasons for me doing so was that Everyone had such a Positive attitude. While I rarely post I would always visit, to see what was new in the Subsim Community. I have every Silent Hunter Sim from the original Commanders Edition to Wolves of the Pacific, including the Pacific Aces Mod. Frankly I don't understand what's got so many Folk steamed up. The Developers worked very hard to put together this Sim, & for folk to try to make it seem as though it's half baked is just wrong. I see post were Folk are saying the Developers don't visit this Site & such. That's just wrong, they do. How is it that so many of the features that so many folk here have asked for are included in this fine Sim. Are there some Bugs? Judging from all of the negative post I've seen I'd say yes there are some. I personally haven't experienced any. I've been on two patrols, sunk about 28,000 tons of shipping, had hell depth charge out of me twice & I'm just loving this Sim.

I remember reading quite a while back right Here at this site about why there wasn't that many Subsims. The article went on to explain Subsims are somewhat complicated. If one wants to play & be effective & get maximum enjoyment out of the Sim, one must invest time learning how it's done. Well that eliminates a lot of Folk. The article went on to explain that Subsim Enthusiast are a demanding lot. That Developers don't relish the thought of puttting considerable time & effort in bringing a Sim to life only to have their efforts go unappreciated. Finally there was Money. Everyone wants to make a profit. Notice how money was last in the equation. The Developers are just as passionate about these Sims as we are. I'm sure They are working very hard to correct whatever Bugs that some Folk are having. A little patience isn't to much to ask now is it?

Sorry for the rant, I find it disturbing that so many Folk are knocking this Sim. It's Good right now & it's going to get even better. You wait & see.

Thanks for your post.

Yes... the atmosphere here has been distinctly non-Subsim-like around here for the last couple of weeks. If you note the registration dates and post counts of some of the more vocal members you will see that SH4 has brought in a lot of people that are somewhat new to this forum.

While that is a great thing it also means that they are not used to the level of maturity expected here. They don't understand (yet) that the purpose of this site ,well, one of them, is to develop a community that works with the developers to nurture our hobby... not spew venom about their work and then say "But I Support the DEVs".... like that makes all the difference.

Some think that this is a place to vent their frustrations and post their childish rants, and it is not. Neal has shown remarkable patience with a lot of them, and the Moderators are taking our cue from him, but I have known Neal long enough to know that even his patience has a limit, and some people are approaching that limit rapidly.

Anyway... this sort of this is, for the most part, self-healing. People who just want to bitch will quietly disappear, casual gamers that don't have the patience for a Subsim will drift away and that will leave the genuine enthusiasts. Things will be back to normal in a month or two.

In the meantime I think a little light housekeeping may be just around the corner.

JCC

[mookiemookie]

The bugs in SH4 are myriad, a virtual minefield with machine gun towers and random arty strikes between you and an enjoyable experience.

Theres a difference between "oops, we let a few bugs slip out with the game." and "FOR GODS SAKE SOMEONE CALL AN EXTERMINATOR!"

Overdramatize much? :roll:

Anyway... this sort of this is, for the most part, self-healing. People who just want to bitch will quietly disappear, casual gamers that don't have the patience for a Subsim will drift away and that will leave the genuine enthusiasts. Things will be back to normal in a month or two.

In the meantime I think a little light housekeeping may be just around the corner.

JCC

:rock:Once they get it out of their systems and actually do put the game away as so many have threatened to do, I agree that this place will be back to somewhat normal. Here's hoping.

My favorite line lately is "I know it's probably been posted in many threads, but I wanted to let you know about my venom and hate towards SH4 for ruining my life, blah blah blah..." If you know its been posted a million times before, what makes you think we want to read it again? :roll:

[codmander]

No comment ..:doh: First of all I don't own sh4 :up: but just reading here has made me angry :shifty: not at anyone or ubi just that the fact that we want great sub sims and are still waiting for it ---:-? -------------------------------------------------------------------the BEST sim((SO FAR)) is silent huter 3 :up: The 1 thing missing from it is a DD VS U BOAT MP :cry: Seems like backwards steps with sh4 less crew imersion less rooms to enter n exit so on so forth :roll: -dam it I wish the almighty dollar would quite interfering and let a team of dedicated sub simmers take a few years and make 1 great sim:up:

[Greentimbers]

I bought two copies of both SHIII and SHIV (download and DVD).

I still patrol the Atlantic and now I am also cruising the Pacific.

Yes, there are bugs; however, I believe these will be corrected and SHIV will become the best subsim out there.

Thanks to the dev crew in Romania, and UBI, we have another installment in the best series of subsims ever made!:|\\

[Rykaird]

I think it is going to be a great game.

I don't think in its current state it is more enjoyable to play than SHIII GWX. It crashes too much and strolling into Tokyo is just way too easy. The tension and risk that permeates SHIII/GWX just isn't there yet.

I am not yet burned out on the Atlantic, so I'm making Winston miserable once more and will return to the Pacific after each patch to see if the game has reached a more playable state.

But I can really see the potential here. Its just not baked yet.

[Hans Schultz]

Please. For the love of the lord, get over it.


:nope: I'll get over it when i get credit from UBI for being a beta tester.