Crew on the bridge in reality?

[cardician]

Yet another question about how the game mimics reality. So in bad weather with 15 km/hr winds and huge waves, there are numerous times when I'll be on the bridge and the entier boat and everyone on the bridge will submerge a couple meters under water. I'm assuming in bad weather this is realistic. My question, what did they do in real life? Did they really force people to man the bridge during such conditions? I'm assuming the people would have had to tie themselves off so they wouldn't go washing away. Not to mention I'm betting it would be VERY cold.

Man, modern day submariners have it easy. I was reading about one sub today that is so big there is literally a swimming pool in it?!? Now that's irony. :p

[danlisa]

LOL, go and buy/rent Das Boot.;) If you want to know what happens in bad weather.

Das ist Thomsen!!!!:rotfl:

Really, if the weather was bad enough to cover the bridge in RL then I suspect they either submerged to wait it out or did not maintain a watch crew. That's if waves could actually cover the bridge in RL, this is a game after all.:cool:

[Genferret]

Heh, I don't recall really how bad the weather was, but if you have GWX installed (without the Das Boot optional video mod) sit at the menu some time and watch the video.

All I could say is "wow" several times over as I watched the conditions those guys were in on the bridge and sometimes on the deck manning guns.

After watching that I think there needs to be a mod that over-rides SH3s refusal to let you man the guns in bad weather. Maybe make it so there's a chance of a guy getting washed overboard (just make him die on deck) to keep the realism going, but after seeing those videos I think my men are a bunch of sissies for refusing to man the guns in some of the weather they've done so in.

[cardician]

That's another question I had. Stock GWX, what video is that playing on the main menu? Is that Das Boot? Because there is also the mod you can add in that says something about a Das Boot video. Are they both from Das Boot?

But yeah, actually I plan on getting a copy of Das Boot to watch. I hear the version on DVD is 3 1/2 hours. Sounds good to me :up:

[Genferret]

That's another question I had. Stock GWX, what video is that playing on the main menu? Is that Das Boot? Because there is also the mod you can add in that says something about a Das Boot video. Are they both from Das Boot?

But yeah, actually I plan on getting a copy of Das Boot to watch. I hear the version on DVD is 3 1/2 hours. Sounds good to me :up:

From what I understand, what we are seeing there is actual war footage in that little screen on the right side of the menu.

Stock SHIII plays in-game footage.
GWX plays actual war footage.
GWX w/ the Das Boot mod enabled and you get Das Boot footage.

[AVGWarhawk]

Yes, it was manned and with safety straps. The straps did not always hold. Hardegan transversed the Atlantic during operation drumbeat. He submerged for 55 miles of it. The rest was surfaced with men on the watch no matter the weather. He did have bad weather with waves coming over the tower.

[3Jane]

Not being able to use the deck gun in bad weather makes sense. What I want is to be able to use the flak guns even of conditions are a litte rough. I would imagine they were used in actuality in such conditions. I have certainly had a use for them when passing through shallow waters and not being able to dive.

[Jimbuna]

In October 41 U 106 (IXB) was sailing at full speed toward Convoy Outbound North 28 when a gale suddenly struck the boat in a following sea. A giant wave from astern 'pooped' the bridge, washing all four men on topside watch into the sea. The U 106 sailed blindly for nearly an hour before the mishap was discovered by the relieving watch crew. :arrgh!:

[cardician]

See, that is why I LOVE this board. You guys (or gals) know so much fascinating stuff. I'm a bit of a history buff, especially war history so this is really cool to ask and find out. That's crazy those guys would suffer through such conditions in reality. I can't imagine how cold and miserable that was.

So the stock GWX is actual war footage? That's VERY cool. Anyone care to comment where that was found? Actual footage like that really interests me.

Definitely going to check out Das Boot too. :D

Go get "Operation Drumbeat" excellent read!!! I got a copy off Amazon for $9.00. Amongst other great books on the boats!

[Jimbuna]

As long as it's just the board you love :oops: ;)

[Sailor Steve]

But yeah, actually I plan on getting a copy of Das Boot to watch. I hear the version on DVD is 3 1/2 hours. Sounds good to me :up:
There are two DVD versions available (the original theatrical release was 2-1/2 hours):

1) The Director's Cut: 3-1/2 half hours, better sound and subtitles.

2) The "Original, Uncut Version": 4 hours, 53 minutes, much more immersive, many extra scenes and narration by Leutnant Werner. It is basically the miniseries version with between-the-episodes titles and credits removed.

[cardician]

Where would one get the uncut version? The only one I've seen available on Netflix here in the US (not that you aren't in the US but there seem to be people from all over on here :D) is the 3 1/2 hour version. I probably would watch the uncut version if I could find it.:hmm:

[P_Funk]

The "Original, Uncut Version": 4 hours, 53 minutes, much more immersive, many extra scenes and narration by Leutnant Werner. It is basically the miniseries version with between-the-episodes titles and credits removed.
Why would you want to watch any other version?:yep:

[Engel der Vernichtung]

In October 41 U 106 (IXB) was sailing at full speed toward Convoy Outbound North 28 when a gale suddenly struck the boat in a following sea. A giant wave from astern 'pooped' the bridge, washing all four men on topside watch into the sea. The U 106 sailed blindly for nearly an hour before the mishap was discovered by the relieving watch crew. :arrgh!:I'm curious to know how they knew how long it was they'd been sailing blind if it was discovered an hour later...

[P_Funk]

In October 41 U 106 (IXB) was sailing at full speed toward Convoy Outbound North 28 when a gale suddenly struck the boat in a following sea. A giant wave from astern 'pooped' the bridge, washing all four men on topside watch into the sea. The U 106 sailed blindly for nearly an hour before the mishap was discovered by the relieving watch crew. :arrgh!:I'm curious to know how they knew how long it was they'd been sailing blind if it was discovered an hour later... Perhaps they guaged it based on the last time they knew the crew was there.

[Jimbuna]

In October 41 U 106 (IXB) was sailing at full speed toward Convoy Outbound North 28 when a gale suddenly struck the boat in a following sea. A giant wave from astern 'pooped' the bridge, washing all four men on topside watch into the sea. The U 106 sailed blindly for nearly an hour before the mishap was discovered by the relieving watch crew. :arrgh!:I'm curious to know how they knew how long it was they'd been sailing blind if it was discovered an hour later... Perhaps they guaged it based on the last time they knew the crew was there.

The source doesn't say (Clay Blair....Hitler's U-Boat War....The Hunters, 1939-1942 page 373) But I can only presume that watches were changed far more regularly in foul/dangerous weather or perhaps there was a log report to pinpoint the last message sent from or to the bridge. :hmm:

[Sailor Steve]

Where would one get the uncut version? The only one I've seen available on Netflix here in the US (not that you aren't in the US but there seem to be people from all over on here :D) is the 3 1/2 hour version. I probably would watch the uncut version if I could find it.:hmm:
I bought mine at the local Borders. But:
http://www.amazon.com/Das-Boot-Original-Uncut-Version/dp/B0001XAOLQ/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2/102-2803845-2187309?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1175355073&sr=1-2

[humesdog]

In October 41 U 106 (IXB) was sailing at full speed toward Convoy Outbound North 28 when a gale suddenly struck the boat in a following sea. A giant wave from astern 'pooped' the bridge, washing all four men on topside watch into the sea. The U 106 sailed blindly for nearly an hour before the mishap was discovered by the relieving watch crew. :arrgh!:

I'm guessing those poor crewmen were never found?

[bigboywooly]

In October 41 U 106 (IXB) was sailing at full speed toward Convoy Outbound North 28 when a gale suddenly struck the boat in a following sea. A giant wave from astern 'pooped' the bridge, washing all four men on topside watch into the sea. The U 106 sailed blindly for nearly an hour before the mishap was discovered by the relieving watch crew. :arrgh!:

23 Oct, 1941
An incredibly sad event befell U-106 on this date. When the replacement watch opened the tower hatch in rough seas they found out that the entire previous tower watch of 4 men had been washed overboard. [Oberleutnant zur See Werner Grüneberg, Fähnrich zur See Herbert von Bruchhausen, Oberbootsmannmaat Karl Heemann, Matrose Ewald Brühl]

Lots of men lost overboard from Uboats

U-43 (http://uboat.net/boats/u43.htm), 31 Mar, 1940
U-43 lost a man overboard in the Atlantic. [I WO Oberleutnant zur See Hans-Wilhelm Behrens]

U-47 (http://uboat.net/boats/u47.htm), 5 Sep, 1940
The boat lost a man overboard during use of the deck gun. [MtrOGfr Heinrich Mantyk]

U-46 (http://uboat.net/boats/u46.htm), 27 Sep, 1940
The boat lost two men during an unintentional dive.[Oberbootsmaat Heinrich Schenk, Matrosenobergefreiter Wilhelm Reh]

U-97 (http://uboat.net/boats/u97.htm), 3 Mar, 1941
The boat lost 1 man overboard in the Bay of Biscay.
[B]U-110 (http://uboat.net/boats/u110.htm), 23 Mar, 1941
U-110´s 105mm deck gun exploded during firing wounding 3 men.
U-105 (http://uboat.net/boats/u105.htm), 5 May, 1941
The 105mm gun exploded during firing wounding 6 men.
U-93 (http://uboat.net/boats/u93.htm), 7 May, 1941
3 men were wounded on the U-93 in an accident with the machine-gun.
U-101 (http://uboat.net/boats/u101.htm), 4 Jun, 1941
The boat lost a man, Matrosenobergefreiter Horst Jackl, overboard.
U-205 (http://uboat.net/boats/u205.htm), 30 Sep, 1941
The boat suffered a blow when one of its men, Fähnrich zur See Fritz Säger, took his own life.

U-701 (http://uboat.net/boats/u701.htm), 31 Dec, 1941
An officer was washed overboard from the U-701, being the last casualty of the year. [Leutnant zur See Bernhard Weinitschke]

U-585 (http://uboat.net/boats/u585.htm), 5 Feb, 1942
The 21 year old Fähnrich zur See Eberhardt Vollmer (Crew 1940) was lost overboard in the south Barents Sea.

U-156 (http://uboat.net/boats/u156.htm), 16 Feb, 1942
U-156 began to shell the oil refinery at Aruba in the Caribbean, but the gun crew forgot to remove the water plug from the barrel, causing an explosion that killed one man [Matrosengefreiter Heinrich Büssinger]. The gunnery officer [II WO Leutnant zur See Dietrich von dem Borne] lost his right leg in this incident, and so had to be put ashore into captivity at Martinique on 21 February. The commander decided to saw off the ruined portion of the gun barrel, and using this shorter barrel, on 27 February U-156 sank a 2,498-ton British steamer.

U-454 (http://uboat.net/boats/u454.htm), 26 Feb, 1942
Two days after leaving Trondheim, Norway U-454 lost Matrosengefreiter Josef Kauer overboard.

+ many more http://uboat.net/men/men_lost.htm

[Crazy Ian]

Man, modern day submariners have it easy. I was reading about one sub today that is so big there is literally a swimming pool in it?!? Now that's irony. :p

That was the Russian Typhoon class.... sadly the rest of us make do with our 3 showers to share between 120-130 personell...

[Jimbuna]

In October 41 U 106 (IXB) was sailing at full speed toward Convoy Outbound North 28 when a gale suddenly struck the boat in a following sea. A giant wave from astern 'pooped' the bridge, washing all four men on topside watch into the sea. The U 106 sailed blindly for nearly an hour before the mishap was discovered by the relieving watch crew. :arrgh!:

I'm guessing those poor crewmen were never found?

The kaleun Hermann Rasch rerversed course and mounted a search but they were never found :nope: The consequence of this mishap was that Rasch had to stand bridge watches in place of the lost watch officer, imposing a tremendous strain on himself. :arrgh!: