View Full Version : Back to the Axis side!
Penelope_Grey
03-30-07, 10:57 AM
Tried being on the good guys team, but its just no good. SH4 has put me right off it, with its bugs and its stupid difficult damage control interface and sinking like a brick submarine when there is no reason to. So till SH4 gets sorted, as far as I am concerned it can stay in dry dock and we will leave the Submarining to the U-Boats. At least they don't take 10 minutes to dive, and they can go deeper than the American boats can.
They are also grey. :)
I just can't be doing with SH4, I tried dabbling I tried getting used to it, but I may as well have been trying to dig a trench with a teaspoon, U-Boats all the way. Sh4 can get stuffed.:yep:
AVGWarhawk
03-30-07, 11:03 AM
:nope: You have returned to the darkside. The force is strong with this one. Bugs or not, I'm enjoying SH4 quite a bit:yep:
Corsair
03-30-07, 11:04 AM
Welcome back in the cold Atlantic...:up: There are still a few aircraft carriers waiting for you.
Welcome back, Penny,
You're just in time for my party floating somwhere on this page :D
danlisa
03-30-07, 11:23 AM
:ahoy:WooHoo, welcome back:|\\
Drinks all round!:()1:
Tried being on the good guys team, but its just no good. SH4 has put me right off it, with its bugs and its stupid difficult damage control interface and sinking like a brick submarine when there is no reason to. So till SH4 gets sorted, as far as I am concerned it can stay in dry dock and we will leave the Submarining to the U-Boats. At least they don't take 10 minutes to dive, and they can go deeper than the American boats can.
They are also grey. :)
I just can't be doing with SH4, I tried dabbling I tried getting used to it, but I may as well have been trying to dig a trench with a teaspoon, U-Boats all the way. Sh4 can get stuffed.:yep:
Well welcome back, but I don't think you understand some of the problems are not...US subs did submerge slower...plus the damage model has some improvments, for example you can fix some stuff temporarily (stop flooding) but can't submerge that is more realistic than what we have in SH3 currently. Also think some folks may be attacked by air at PD when at high TC...meaning planes can spot you in good weather!
Anyway, welcome back I am still in the Atlantic for now too. ;)
Penelope_Grey
03-30-07, 12:17 PM
I know the American subs took a while to submerge, but well, I'm used to my U-boats!
I can't get to grips with the damage control on SH4, I posted about it, and I can't see there anything seriously wrong with the sub, but its still wrecked, so, I'm done with SH4 till its all sorted. SH3 is the only subs for me.
Welcome back, Mish Moneypenny.:up:
Rykaird
03-30-07, 05:30 PM
I am also back into my lovely VII. I will return to the Pacific when the next patch is released.
Then, if I have the same number of crashes as I experience now, I will, like some mutated underwater groundhog, spot my shadow and scurry back to SHIII for six more weeks of winter in the North Atlantic.
Frenssen
03-30-07, 05:43 PM
Another turncoat here, and I haven`t explored GWX 100% yet. Crash diving those big, clumsy US boats without a working air warning radar is a nightmare. I want my cramped, smelly VIIC back:rock:
bigboywooly
03-30-07, 05:50 PM
Well I am not sure if we should accept you SH4 rejects back
:hmm:
Nah am only kidding
Now get out there and sink something
Preferably allied
:rotfl:
gdogghenrikson
03-30-07, 06:03 PM
Tried being on the good guys team um WWII, good guys? define good guys...
Penelope_Grey
03-30-07, 06:05 PM
LOL bbw!
Yeah, well can I just be clear, we rejected SH4 not the other way round. That's my story and I am sticking to it.
@gdogghenrikson
Nazi Germany=Bad guys
Allied=good guys.
pretty obvious from where I sit.
Foghladh_mhara
03-30-07, 06:08 PM
Well this reject is back as well :up: My secondment to the US Asiatic Fleet lasted all of 48 hours. In fairness to the Ubi team I didn't leave because of any bugs or gameplay problems, I left because it just felt wrong to be skippering a u-boat that isn't a u-boat. That and I dont hold the neccessary degree needed to operate the submarine management screen:oops: But mostly because GWX is better
I know the American subs took a while to submerge, but well, I'm used to my U-boats!
I can't get to grips with the damage control on SH4, I posted about it, and I can't see there anything seriously wrong with the sub, but its still wrecked, so, I'm done with SH4 till its all sorted. SH3 is the only subs for me.
Yea well don't want to get into a debate but that was answered, there is some level of complexity in SH4 damage that is not in SH3. Namely the concept of "temporary" repairs that allow you to get back home but not to dive...not hard to understand is it? Anyway, it is true the interface is different.
Penelope_Grey
03-30-07, 06:41 PM
Yea well don't want to get into a debate but that was answered, there is some level of complexity in SH4 damage that is not in SH3. Namely the concept of "temporary" repairs that allow you to get back home but not to dive...not hard to understand is it? Anyway, it is true the interface is different.
True, it was answered, but...
It is complicated... because where does it tell me if it is safe to dive or not? It doesn't. Therefore when I dive and my engines don't work and I sink like a stone how do I know what is going on, is it the boat is knackered, or is it bugs in the programming? How can you tell the difference? Which is what is most irritating about SH4, I'm sorry for my language but to cut a long story short, SH4 is crap and I don't like it. I was nuts to think I could play both U-Boats and American Subs.
I returned in Bergen a couple of hours ago after leaving the pacific for the time being. It's not the bugs that concern me the most, but the complete lack of you actually being there! The voices are dull and most of the time i can't understand them (i'm not german!! ;)). The enemy's are dumber then the monster from painkiller and controlling the boot is a bitch...
I really hope it gets better in time but my biggest fear is that the pacific just isn't my theater for submarine's.
Tijn
gdogghenrikson
03-30-07, 06:49 PM
LOL bbw!
Yeah, well can I just be clear, we rejected SH4 not the other way round. That's my story and I am sticking to it.
@gdogghenrikson
Nazi Germany=Bad guys
Allied=good guys.
pretty obvious from where I sit.
well
allied kills a german human= good??
when is it good to kill someone??
so if I shot a child molester I am a "good guy"??
how about if a child molester shot a wanted bank robber is he a "good guy"?
war is not about good guy and bad guy
war is an Ugly thing
... SH4 is crap and I don't like it. I was nuts to think I could play both U-Boats and American Subs.
Ummm no it's not...its got potential. Don't see what is so dramatic about playing 2 different sides but whatever...
Penelope_Grey
03-30-07, 06:53 PM
Well I consider the Nazi's the bad guys immaterial to who shot who, Hitler started the war, he ordered the final solution, he saw to the death of countless millions right on up till the end, so yeah, I stand by my original statements.
Foghladh_mhara
03-30-07, 06:55 PM
LOL bbw!
Yeah, well can I just be clear, we rejected SH4 not the other way round. That's my story and I am sticking to it.
@gdogghenrikson
Nazi Germany=Bad guys
Allied=good guys.
pretty obvious from where I sit.
well
allied kills a german human= good??
when is it good to kill someone??
so if I shot a child molester I am a "good guy"??
how about if a child molester shot a wanted bank robber is he a "good guy"?
war is not about good guy and bad guy
war is an Ugly thing
Its a game not a re-enactment. Relax
bigboywooly
03-30-07, 06:56 PM
LOL bbw!
Yeah, well can I just be clear, we rejected SH4 not the other way round. That's my story and I am sticking to it.
@gdogghenrikson
Nazi Germany=Bad guys
Allied=good guys.
pretty obvious from where I sit.
well
allied kills a german human= good??
when is it good to kill someone??
so if I shot a child molester I am a "good guy"??
how about if a child molester shot a wanted bank robber is he a "good guy"?
war is not about good guy and bad guy
war is an Ugly thing
I think Pen is refering to the way history looks at the Axis as being the bad guys and the allies as the good ones
Yes war is an ugly thing - a necessary evil sometimes - but this is a game and should be treated as such
Not a debate into good and evil
Penelope_Grey
03-30-07, 06:56 PM
... SH4 is crap and I don't like it. I was nuts to think I could play both U-Boats and American Subs.
Ummm no it's not...its got potential. Don't see what is so dramatic about playing 2 different sides but whatever...
To me its crap. I don't like the game as it stands now. I far prefer SH3 and everything about it, and from what I hear in the beginning it wasn't up to much either. Maybe SH4 has got potential, probably does, but I'd have rather waited a bit longer for it than got it now and been disapointed by it like I was.
Schultzy
03-30-07, 07:03 PM
To me its crap.
Glad we got that sorted.
Well, move on lads, nothing else to be said. Thank god all the NYGM team or the GWX team didn't think that eh?
Otherwise, we'd all be playing PS3 or Xbox with supa cool subs that dive in 2 seconds, have überfast, unlimited reloads and damage control from the starship enterprise. Wouldn't that be fun? :yep:
Hartmann
03-30-07, 07:05 PM
Sh4 has a lot of potential , but now is too buggy . i´m going to go to the pacific, but not before the last patch
Go to the pacific now is too dangerous, you have to fight against japanese and your boat bugs at the same time,:rotfl:
broken devices, pumps leakings, radar malfuntions... dumb repair crew...
Penelope_Grey
03-30-07, 07:10 PM
To me its crap.
Glad we got that sorted.
Well, move on lads, nothing else to be said. Thank god all the NYGM team or the GWX team didn't think that eh?
Otherwise, we'd all be playing PS3 or Xbox with supa cool subs that dive in 2 seconds, have überfast, unlimited reloads and damage control from the starship enterprise. Wouldn't that be fun? :yep:
Yeah it would be a barrel of laughs, we should all do that instead. I mean, wow, wasn't I selfish and nasty to expect SH4 to actually work properly on recipt?
Ducimus
03-30-07, 07:59 PM
WHen you've played SH3 as much as i have, they're's no going back.
Is SH4 buggy? Yup. Will it get better? Im 100% positive about it. The games been modded to where its more playable whilst we wait for the next patch. I didn't complain about the game, i just went about trying to fix it as best i could. As a game, Sh4 is in some respects superior to SH3. In other respects it fails because of its buggy state. To the casual user, SH4 would be REALLY hard to get into because of it.
As an aside on damage control; People are used to clicking "realistic repair times" or "realistic sub damage" and in SH3, it really didnt mean anything. The reality is, if your sub was hit by a shell, and the pressure hull punctured, you couldnt dive. Sh4's damage model reflects this reality. In SH3, you get a deduction from your hull integrity and your crush depth became shallower, in Sh4, if your bulkhead(pressure hull) has a large breach and if your submerged, your boat will flood faster then you can pump the water out. In SH3 (after mods), repairing your diesals took like maybe an hour or two, in SH4 it may take all day, which also is more realistic. (not to mention you can see your repair crew at work in the CR, tools in hand) Overall it took me awhile to get used to the idea, but in this respect the game is pretty deadly, and it keeps you on your toes. I certainly think twice before engaging in a gun battle with an armed target.
Thats a very good point Ducimus. Everyone thought that the damage model was busted. Turns out that SH3 has socialized us so that we don't even recognize realism that we've always demanded.:up:
......
has a large breach and if your submerged, your boat will flood faster then you can pump the water out. In SH3 (after mods), repairing your diesals took like maybe an hour or two, in SH4 it may take all day, which also is more realistic. (not to mention you can see your repair crew at work in the CR, tools in hand)
yes and sometimes when those people are working my frame rate drop to 1 and i have to leave the command centre and let the operation end so i can take them out and get again my frame rate (it's happens only sometimes and i don't know why?)
For now i am back to the U-boot too waiting for the REAL American submarines happy times :D
As an aside on damage control; People are used to clicking "realistic repair times" or "realistic sub damage" and in SH3, it really didnt mean anything. The reality is, if your sub was hit by a shell, and the pressure hull punctured, you couldnt dive. Sh4's damage model reflects this reality. In SH3, you get a deduction from your hull integrity and your crush depth became shallower, in Sh4, if your bulkhead(pressure hull) has a large breach and if your submerged, your boat will flood faster then you can pump the water out. In SH3 (after mods), repairing your diesals took like maybe an hour or two, in SH4 it may take all day, which also is more realistic. (not to mention you can see your repair crew at work in the CR, tools in hand) Overall it took me awhile to get used to the idea, but in this respect the game is pretty deadly, and it keeps you on your toes. I certainly think twice before engaging in a gun battle with an armed target.
Exactly, I am so looking forward ot this in SH4!!! :arrgh!:
robbo180265
03-31-07, 05:05 AM
To me its crap.
Glad we got that sorted.
Well, move on lads, nothing else to be said. Thank god all the NYGM team or the GWX team didn't think that eh?
Otherwise, we'd all be playing PS3 or Xbox with supa cool subs that dive in 2 seconds, have überfast, unlimited reloads and damage control from the starship enterprise. Wouldn't that be fun? :yep:
Yeah it would be a barrel of laughs, we should all do that instead. I mean, wow, wasn't I selfish and nasty to expect SH4 to actually work properly on recipt?
Heh!
I didn't, which is why I didn't buy it.
I think in a year or two it'll be a great game, but right now it's not for me.
Welcome back Penny :up:
Penelope_Grey
03-31-07, 07:45 AM
Just wanted to show you all something, I took these photos from the sub management screen of my damaged sub. The one that I said keeps sinking like a stone on diving, stern first and no electrci motors submerged?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v324/Spider-Hulk/Penny/problem.jpg
That is the first image, as you can see damage control is going and funtioning to its best ability with the crew I have available to me.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v324/Spider-Hulk/Penny/Problem2.jpg
And the other image, which shows the only damage I have is the guns, and yet I am sinking like a stone. Can anybody make heads or tails of this? Why do I sink like a stone and why do I have no propulsion when I dive?
any ideas?
Nuts to the Atlantic, I am giving those exported criminals in Australia a bashing. :lol:
Yes a spot of sarcastic humour on my part. ;)
bigboywooly
03-31-07, 09:53 AM
Nuts to the Atlantic, I am giving those exported criminals in Australia a bashing. :lol:
Yes a spot of sarcastic humour on my part. ;)
:rotfl:
Politically correct as ever
Namely the concept of "temporary" repairs that allow you to get back home but not to dive...not hard to understand is it? Anyway, it is true the interface is different.
For what I've read so far none of the devs has stated that "temporary repairs" is a feature, for the moment it's just a guess from the players, hoping that's not another thing that isn't working as it should.
BTW, did you tried to repair the damn AA gun?, it either could be repaired or it couldn't, there's no temporary patches for that.
Ref
Rykaird
03-31-07, 03:28 PM
I know the American subs took a while to submerge, but well, I'm used to my U-boats!
I can't get to grips with the damage control on SH4, I posted about it, and I can't see there anything seriously wrong with the sub, but its still wrecked, so, I'm done with SH4 till its all sorted. SH3 is the only subs for me.
Yea well don't want to get into a debate but that was answered, there is some level of complexity in SH4 damage that is not in SH3. Namely the concept of "temporary" repairs that allow you to get back home but not to dive...not hard to understand is it? Anyway, it is true the interface is different.
The damage model for SHIV is like a lot of other functions in SHIV - it has a lot of promise, but it has some current issues that make it almost unworkable. Repair prioritization, linked systems, etc. are all going to be very cool once a some of the kinks get worked out - for example, the kink Ms. P. is experiencing, where everything shows as OK but the boat is actually on the absolute edge of total destruction.
I didn't come back to SHIII/GWX because I hate SHIV. I came back because SHIV isn't ready yet. I think it will be a better game. Someday.
I came back because SHIV isn't ready yet. I think it will be a better game. Someday.
That's why I decided to hold off and not be taken in by the hype. And when I start to hear things are on the up for SH4 most likely next year then and only then will I purchase SH4 which will not cause me to swear at the bugs. And on a brighter note the upgrades I need will be cheaper as well.
For now I got GWX and that keeps me happy.
Webchessie
03-31-07, 04:14 PM
Still patroling the Atlantic thanks to GWX and plan to do so for a while.
I prepared to go to Pacific with 2 GB RAM and a new GeForce 7950 card, but based on the our great forum feedback, I think I'll wait until the next patch.
Besides, I'm still having fun being a U-Boat Captain even though I'm getting the crap beat out of me thanks to GWX. . . what, another radar contact? More planes and destroyers coming my way . . . DIVE!
:up:
GakunGak
03-31-07, 04:51 PM
@Penelope_Grey:
Probably a bug... Also look for a first screen yo posted and look to a far left side where names are, notice 2 guys with no pictures of them...
That ain't looking good...:nope:
As for a dive crash, go to a custom mission, try balao or other sub, try NOT TO USE TC over 32x and the first time you hear damage reports, go to external camera, check for hull breaches and if none, dive to PD...:know:
If there's still a problem, [if patched 1.1] return to the atlantic until this bug is sorted out...:|\\
Penelope_Grey
03-31-07, 06:23 PM
I'm happily ensconsed in my U-Boat once again, I'm very excited as my U-Boat of choice the IXC is soon available, and I am surviving my patrols! (for now)
It's 1945 for me and I am ripping the guts out of the Australian convoys in my big IXD2 beast. :D
corvette k225
03-31-07, 06:37 PM
I had it on my hard drive but it is off now (SHIV) butit could be back on in two or three months, but the damage control on SH4 is very bad!!! so for now SHIII gets a :up: and SHIV gets a :down: I bet in six months SHIV will look much better and with some great mods. But for now SHIII is the best.:D And also I like the looks of Libtery ships, C2,C3,T3and T2 tankers much better looking ships, then those jap cargo jobs.
Keelbuster
04-01-07, 02:27 AM
I've also decided to shelf SH4 for a while and come back to SH3. The biggest reason is that my hardware is just not good enoughf or SH4. I've tried to tweak the settings and its no use. Even at min settings it's chunk city. But I think the game is BEAUTIFUL. Some day when I have a new computer, and a few new SH4 patches, I'll play it hard. That leads to my second major cluster of issues - buggy damage control and TDC. For me it's all about torpedo firing solutions, and getting tarnished and half-sunk. I don't want to fight bugs in the TDC, and if a broken damage model is going to send me to the surface, or the seafloor, arbitrarily, then I can't hack it. On the other hand, the point Ducimus made about a serious damage model is appealing. Maybe in a future patch...
Anyhow, right now I'm in the Maldives in an IXC and as happy as can be. GWX forever!
At least they don't take 10 minutes to dive
Hm, they take 30-40 seconds to dive, but you must put the crew on battle stations.;)
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