View Full Version : Some bugs are no bugs - its FADE, the copy protection
dreamweaver
03-21-07, 03:40 PM
There are rumors in the german ubiforum that SH4 use FADE. Some bugs like the 2Dcrew, wrong working cannon etc. are because of cracked software.
This might clear some reports up.
The moderator in the ubiforum said someting like that they have found some illegal SH4 versions in the net that do not represent the quality of the original product.
Sports Interactive who make the 'Football Manager' series had a similar anti-pirate deterent where people who were using No-cd cracks etc were paying double transfers fees when buying players.:rotfl:
I didn't realise that FADE was still being used by anyone. Operation Flashpoint was the last game I remember having it although I am sure there have been others.
There are rumors in the german ubiforum that SH4 use FADE. Some bugs like the 2Dcrew, wrong working cannon etc. are because of cracked software.
This might clear some reports up.
The moderator in the ubiforum said someting like that they have found some illegal SH4 versions in the net that do not represent the quality of the original product.
I doubt that. Firstly, as I remember it, OFP was the first game to use "FADE" and I've seen in ArmA a couple of messages about copied games "FADE-ing" but those were there in OFP too so they're probably just a hangover from that.
Since SH4 is by a different publisher and dev group, I don't think they'll use the same term.
Additionally, FADE in OFP (and ArmA if it is really there which I doubt) supposedly made subtle things happen, like your shots would be less accurate and/or have shorter range for example. There was nothing obvious like crashes and graphic anomalies as far as I'm aware.
r.
Gizzmoe
03-21-07, 03:49 PM
SH4 uses Securom, I canīt imagine that they use two copy protections at the same time.
partyboy
03-21-07, 03:49 PM
I believe it. While there are certainly bugs and missing features, I'm not experiencing most of the bugs people have been reporting. Not to get anyone's hopes ups about it being "not that bad" or anything, but a lot of those reports sound like they're playing a different game.
Maybe I've just been lucky so far.
I think it's a bit irresponsible to be spreading such rumours. :-?
dreamweaver
03-21-07, 03:53 PM
SH4 uses Securom, I canīt imagine that they use two copy protections at the same time.
Maybe its not FADE but something similar.
Schunken
03-21-07, 03:54 PM
I bet SH4 was as a copy in the WWW before even it was released... :damn:
If this bug came from illegal copys this will be the first bugs I would like :D
I get my copy from Amazon tomorrow... Lets see if I can reproduce any of ths bugs...
Everybody blame China for copy cars and machines.... but copy software is ok???
Andreas
moosenoodles
03-21-07, 03:56 PM
Armed assault the new OFP has fade protection and it also uses a system where your aiming and bullet impacts get worse and worse and worse lol....
SH4 uses Securom, I canīt imagine that they use two copy protections at the same time.
Maybe its not FADE but something similar.
sure :roll:
ok, you caught my interest, so iīll dl the pirated version
to find out that rumours are true.
Iīll report tomorrow!
Sorry, of course just kidding, but couldnt resist... ;)
dreamweaver
03-21-07, 04:05 PM
Additionally, FADE in OFP (and ArmA if it is really there which I doubt) supposedly made subtle things happen, like your shots would be less accurate and/or have shorter range for example. There was nothing obvious like crashes and graphic anomalies as far as I'm aware.
r.
As far as I know ARMA has FADE.
And BTW, if someone uses a nocd it does not necessarily mean that he is not an owner of the original gameversion. Some people use this only to preserve their discs. So dont blame everyone with the FADE problems that he is a pirate. ;)
Armed assault the new OFP has fade protection and it also uses a system where your aiming and bullet impacts get worse and worse and worse lol....
Yeh, and it sometimes is activated even if the player has legal copy of the game... :roll:
Besides, why would UBI keep this as a secret?
Letīs say someone downloads the game from some site, installs it and plays it. He gets crashes and loads of graphical glitches and thinks "OMG! This game is crap!", so he unstalls and forgets the game not knowing that it is actually a method of copy protection? If the player would know that this all is b/c of "FADE" and he would otherwise like the game, he would most likely go to the store and buy it.
moosenoodles
03-21-07, 04:09 PM
hmmmm i guess your right, i just checked the sites that supply them and sh4 does have one available to use and an img to save the disc spinning up constantly...
maybe if all those that may use it with these stick men incidents etc, can try it without if they are of course using such a file..
I have the Deluxe box and i got most of the "real" bugs like Target speed, Captains log in office not working plus a bunch of other bugs. There is no FADE in SH4.
dreamweaver
03-21-07, 04:18 PM
I have the Deluxe box and i got most of the "real" bugs like Target speed, Captains log in office not working plus a bunch of other bugs. There is no FADE in SH4.
SH4 has for sure a lot bugs. But the ones that are maybe linked with fade are only the 2Dcrew, the bug with the cannon that does not shoot correctly and maybe stuff like suddenly out of fuel or out of battery power.
Onkel Neal
03-21-07, 05:06 PM
I hear the pirated version of SH4 also installs Starforce onto your mahcine...
hahahaha! :rotfl:
Spin those CD drives to heaven, boys!
ArmA uses Fade, yes. It was so funny reading a thread started by some pissed off guy, where he told of inaccurate shooting, and at some point turning into a seagull!
He got banned straight away, I think.
That is one cool copy protection. Imagine turning into a seagull in a war simulator. I would have looked hard at my beverage cup, and wonder who wanted me dead.:rotfl:
bigboywooly
03-21-07, 05:24 PM
I hear the pirated version of SH4 also installs Starforce onto your mahcine...
hahahaha! :rotfl:
Spin those CD drives to heaven, boys!
No it didnt on mine
J\K
:rotfl:
John Channing
03-21-07, 05:33 PM
SH4 uses Securom, I canīt imagine that they use two copy protections at the same time.
Maybe its not FADE but something similar.
sure :roll:
ok, you caught my interest, so iīll dl the pirated version
to find out that rumours are true.
Iīll report tomorrow!
Sorry, of course just kidding, but couldnt resist... ;)
click....click..click...
John carefully returns the hammer of his .44 to the un-cocked position and re-sets the safety
JCC
GoldenEagle8
03-21-07, 05:38 PM
I am afraid I don't understand, what is FADE? and ARMA? I'm confused:dead:
kiwi_2005
03-21-07, 05:40 PM
another copy protection thread:-?
only 9999 to go...
On another note anyone seen the movie "300" bout the spartans? GREAT MOVIE!
As you were.
Corsair
03-21-07, 06:11 PM
ArmA uses Fade, yes. It was so funny reading a thread started by some pissed off guy, where he told of inaccurate shooting, and at some point turning into a seagull!
He got banned straight away, I think.
That is one cool copy protection. Imagine turning into a seagull in a war simulator. I would have looked hard at my beverage cup, and wonder who wanted me dead.:rotfl:
Didn't try Arma yet but been playing OFP since years (just updated last mod yesterday...) without a CD in drive (I buy all my games but I like to keep them in the state I bought them :D) and I still can hit a rat's butt at a fair distance with an M24 or M16ACOG...;)
NefariousKoel
03-21-07, 06:16 PM
I hear the pirated version of SH4 also installs Starforce onto your mahcine...
hahahaha! :rotfl:
Spin those CD drives to heaven, boys!
Oh, that's just cruel Neal.:lol:
I think I will start using my Starforce DVDRW as a skeet launcher. At least get some use out of it. :|\\
ArmA uses Fade, yes. It was so funny reading a thread started by some pissed off guy, where he told of inaccurate shooting, and at some point turning into a seagull!
He got banned straight away, I think.
That is one cool copy protection. Imagine turning into a seagull in a war simulator. I would have looked hard at my beverage cup, and wonder who wanted me dead.:rotfl:
Seagulls were in OFP originally - when you die you can fly around the place as a seagull. It's a bit of a change compared to the usual dead cam in most FPS's.
So, presumably he died (perhaps due to his pirated copy, more likely sniped by a terminator AI) and hence the Seagull episode.
r.
Actually, I think what's a lot more likely is that the leaked version may not have been the (complete, final) gold version, or was somehow botched.
Ah well. I hope the patch doesn't work for these suckers, too :p
Fade just like other copy protection systems such as starforce which royally screwed my system up doesn't work.
The first game i can recall with Fade was Operation Flashpoint. Just like all other forms of copy protection it was cracked even before release.
Given the patch is being released only 3 days after the game release it'd hint in fact that its entirely bugs and more to the point KNOWN bugs that the developers knew about way before release and had been working on for months.
I know the forum hates talk of cracks etc but in my view all copy protection affects are legit owners. Just about all games are "released" and copy protection patched out by various groups often before the official release of the game. Due to having several computers here and not a lot of space i routinely use No-CDs for some of my games.
The only copy protection thats fairly effective and likely to remain so are online serial verification used for games like the Battlefield series and the like. Yes you can stay play single player without issue but these days multiplayer is where all the fun is.
Anyway, im convinced what we're seeing here are bugs, hence very fast patch. I dont believe SH4 has fade for that reason. Hell, even if it did have fade given the number of real bugs one of the unnoticed bugs could be it triggers everyones game to fade, legitimate or not!
As for patch not working on pirate copies, it'll stop it working probably for an hour. By that time someone will have the no-cd out. Yes it is that quick for them at times.
Corsair
03-21-07, 07:22 PM
Some publishers make it easy : you have to enter the install key and you can shelf the CD until you need a reinstall ( I'm thinking of Lead Pursuit Falcon 4 AF or THQ Company of Heroes for instance which are not second zone games)
Shigawire
03-21-07, 07:45 PM
On another note anyone seen the movie "300" bout the spartans? GREAT MOVIE!
As you were.
I know of it, but I fear it's cringeworthy to me based on the extremely cheezy trailers I've seen, and the lack of historical authenticity. I know it's based on Frank Miller's "300." I know it's got as much to do with the battle of Thermopylai, as Lord of the Rings has to do with medieval Europe. But it's just a total waste to make a movie based on infantile fantasy-perception of Thermopylai, when the real story is far more fantastic. They of course have their artistic rights to malign major historical events in such a way. And hey, it can even be done in a good way. But if it's not done in a good (non-cheesy) way, I won't refrain from criticizing it. They do take a lot from the real story, such as the comment of "Our arrows will darken the sky" -Persian emissary. "Good, then we will fight in the shade." -Dienekes. So in some ways they steal whatever they can get their hands on, and take some parts from history. They want to make a fantasy-movie, but take dialogue from history, because they can't write anything better than Herodotos. While other parts of the history are considered too boring, so they mix in orcs and armored rhinoceros, monsters basically.. Infantile if you ask me. An infantile movie made by an infant mind. If someone makes a movie based on a historical event, I feel they would find the real story far more fantastic, if only the director and writers weren't . And having Persians as "bad guys" is ridiculous. That they look like Orcs isn't worth comment. The ignorant director is even on record stating that he's gonna make a sequel movie about these "bad guys." :roll:
Cheezy:
Watching Leonidas yell "SPAARTAA!" is first of all cheezy hollywoodism, and totally opposite of how real Spartans behaved, they were known to be low-key and "laconic" (a modern word, but based on Sparta's homeland "Lakedaimon"), yet intimidating in their own peculiar way.
Cringeworthy:
Xerxes II is portrayed as Negroid with piercings, no beard. He, of course, was Caucasoid (Iranian), with a beard. Piercings. The rest of the Persians are shown as orcs. :dead:
Armored war-Rhinoceros.. More like Lord of the Rings...
But.. straying off topic.
Saying a bug is due to FADE is a great propaganda tool to play down the real bugs.
I think.
On another note anyone seen the movie "300" bout the spartans? GREAT MOVIE!
As you were.
(crop to save space)
Cheezy:
Watching Leonidas yell "SPAARTAA!" is first of all cheezy hollywoodism, and totally opposite of how real Spartans behaved, they were known to be low-key and "laconic" (a modern word, but based on Sparta's homeland "Lakedaimon"), yet intimidating in their own peculiar way.
Cringeworthy:
Xerxes II is portrayed as Negroid with piercings, no beard. He, of course, was Caucasoid (Iranian), with a beard. Piercings. The rest of the Persians are shown as orcs. :dead:
Armored war-Rhinoceros.. More like Lord of the Rings...
But.. straying off topic.
Saying a bug is due to FADE is a great propaganda tool to play down the real bugs.
I think.
Yea thats what stopped me from going to see 300. (that any to save money)
Sparte was a glorius city in its own right, it doesn't need some fantasy crud to get any respect and admiration.
(sorry for going OT)
NipplesTheCat
03-21-07, 08:21 PM
As someone stated earlier in another thread,...the best copy protection is a nice detailed manual and maybe a paper map or something. Perhaps even a can of sea gull crap to pour on your monitor to aid the in harbor immersion. Extras! WOOHOO!
d@rk51d3
03-21-07, 08:32 PM
As someone stated earlier in another thread,...the best copy protection is a nice detailed manual and maybe a paper map or something. Perhaps even a can of sea gull crap to pour on your monitor to aid the in harbor immersion. Extras! WOOHOO!
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