1963 Communist Goals

[Rockstar]

I said before waay back when the wall came down. All that happened when it fell was the vermon spread out like a virus under the cover of our gloating over victory and freedom.

The following was entered into the Congressional record by Albert Herlong, Jr. (a Floridian who served in Congress from 1949-69) in 1963.
1) US acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war
2) US willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war
3) Develop the illusion that total disarmament by the US would be a demonstration of "moral strength"
4) Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.
5) Extension of long term loans to Russia and Soviet Satellites
6) Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination
7) Grant recognition of Red China, and admission of Red China to the UN.
8) Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the Germany question by free elections under supervision of the UN
9) Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the US has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress
10) Allow all Soviet Satellites individual representation in the UN
11) Promote the UN as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the UN as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo)
12) Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party
13) Do away with loyalty oaths
14) Continue giving Russia access to the US Patent Office
15) Capture one or both of the political parties in the US
16) Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions, by claiming their activities violate civil rights.
17) Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for Socialism, and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers associations. Put the party line in text books.
18) Gain control of all student newspapers
19) Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.
20) Infiltrate the press. Get control of book review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.
21) Gain control of key positions in radio, TV & motion pictures.
22) Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all form of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings", substitute shapeless, awkward, and meaningless forms.
23) Control art critics and directors of art museums. " Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art".
24) Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.
25) Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography, and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio and TV.
26) Present Homosexuality, degeneracy, and promiscuity as "normal, natural, and healthy".
27) Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch"
28) Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the grounds that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state"
29) Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.
30) Discredit the American founding fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man".
31) Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of "the big picture:" Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.
32) Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture - - education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.
33) Eliminate all laws or procedures, which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.
34) Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.
35) Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI
36) Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.
37) Infiltrate and gain control of big business
38) Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand or treat.
39) Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.
40) Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.
41) Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.
42) Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special interest groups should rise up and make a "united force" to solve economic, political, or social problems.
43) Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.
44) Internationalize the Panama Canal.
45) Repeal the Connally Reservation so the US can not prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction over nations and individuals alike.

[elite_hunter_sh3]

:rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :arrgh!:

[SUBMAN1]

Sad but true. And they are winning. John Kerry last year even wanted us to move our powers to the UN - a very corrupt UN.

-S

[STEED]

Sad but true. And they are winning. John Kerry last year even wanted us to move our powers to the UN - a very corrupt UN.

-S

What has the UN & EU got in common? Both are a nest of vipers.

[Letum]

I don't understand what you are saying......

This is a list of what Albert Herlong, Jr. thought where communist goals right?

Who/what where his sources for the list?

[SUBMAN1]

I don't understand what you are saying......

This is a list of what Albert Herlong, Jr. thought where communist goals right?

Who/what where his sources for the list?

Communist party was his sources - we have one in the US.

I think whomever quoted this on the site you got this from should correctly state that this Congressman was asked to list this by another Congress woman. Our Democratic party seems to be responsible for most of these changes.

-S

[Letum]

I don't understand what you are saying......

This is a list of what Albert Herlong, Jr. thought where communist goals right?

Who/what where his sources for the list?
Communist party was his sources - we have one in the US.



heh! Doesn't look like they would have got very far down the list if they leaked their agenda so readily. :doh::doh::doh:

[SUBMAN1]

heh! Doesn't look like they would have got very far down the list if they leaked their agenda so readily. :doh::doh::doh:

The parties here in the US are open and actively try to get their messages out, so this doesn't surprise me. They think people want this which is why, and sadly, they are slowly erroding away our values to accomplish it since they have got their hooks into the democaratic party as a back up.

-S

[Letum]

Just for fun lets see how they did:


1) Coexistence: Partial success
2) Capitulate: Fail
3) "moral strength": Fail
4) Free trade: Partial success
5) Loans: Partial success
6) American aid: Mainly failed
7) Recognition of China and UN: Total success
8) East and West Germany: Total Fail
9) Prolong the atomic conferences: I don't know
10) Representation in the UN: Partial success
11) One world government: Fail
12) Resist outlaw the Communist Party: Success
13) Do away with loyalty oaths: Partial success in some places
14) Access to the US Patent Office: Total success, it's even on google patents now!
15) Capture political parties: Fail
16) Civil rights abuse: Fail ASAIK
17) Get control of the schools: Fail AFAIK
18) Student newspapers: dont know/Highly subjective
19) Student riots: Dont Know
20) Infiltrate the press. Dont Know
21) TV: Dont Know
22) Degrading all form of art: dont know/Highly subjective
23) Control art critics dont know/Highly subjective
24) Eliminate "censorship": Partial success
25) Promoting pornography: Success
26) Homosexuality "normal, natural, and healthy": Partial success
27) Discredit the Bible: Partial success
28) Eliminate prayer in schools: Partial success in places
29) Discredit the American Constitution: Mostly a Fail
30) Discredit the American founding fathers. Fail
31) Belittle all forms of American culture: Fail
32) Centralized welfare: Mostly failed(?)
33) Eliminate laws which interfere w. Communist: Fail (?)
34) Eliminate Committee on Un-American Activities. dont know
35) Dismantle the FBI: Fail
36) Gain control of more unions: Fail ASAIK
37) Infiltrate big business: Fail ASAIK
38) Powers of arrest to social agencies. dont know
39) Dominate the psychiatric profession: Fail AFAIK
40) Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.
41) raise children away from parents: Fail
42) violence is American tradition: Fail
43) Overthrow all colonial governments dont know
44) Internationalize the Panama Canal. dont know (although I should)
45) Give the World Court jurisdiction over nations and individuals alike. dont know (although I should)

[fatty]

Communist party was his sources - we have one in the US.


Herlong's source is actually Cleon Skousen's book The Naked Communist. Skousen was an interesting character; an FBI agent under Hoover during the McCarthy era turned conspiracy theorist.

[Letum]

Communist party was his sources - we have one in the US.

Herlong's source is actually Cleon Skousen's book The Naked Communist. Skousen was an interesting character; an FBI agent under Hoover during the McCarthy era turned conspiracy theorist.

Oh? really?
Who told you it was the communist party SUBMAN1? Did you just make that up?


I thought this sounded like conspiracy theorist stuff! :rotfl:

[SUBMAN1]

Just for fun lets see how they did:

My take on it on the parts I disagree on -


1) Coexistence: I'd say full success here if you include China

3) "moral strength": Partial Succes In progress - we are now a perfessional army and a much smaller army

6) American aid: I'd say partial success here - we have a lot of $$$ tied up over there right now.

9) Prolong the atomic conferences: Success - They are still ongoing - now with N. Korea even
10) Representation in the UN: hmm. have to think about this one
11) One world government: "In progress" would be better I think. Look around - Europe and the European Union. Bush just made Canada Mexico and the same nation practically (what is he thinking?). Kerry and party wanting to give powers over to the UN and even the World court. It is happening.

15) Capture political parties: Success - Democrats has a very Socialistic approach. Hillary has made some Communistic type statements about redistributing the wealthy's money, etc.

16) Civil rights abuse: Success - We hear how the ALCU did this and that every day in the name of Civil Rights. Can't even display a religious symbol on public property for example.

17) Get control of the schools: Success - It is all you hear out of Universities now. There are even cases of people failing if they state they have any conservative feelings. Its ugly.


19) Student riots: Success - Vietnam is an example
20) Infiltrate the press. Success - They push very Solcialistic views on a daily basis.

21) TV: Success - Desperate housewifes is an example

22) Degrading all form of art: dont know/Highly subjective - I agree, but art lately is well, not art to me - its Ugly!

23) Control art critics dont know/Highly subjective - I agree again, but I'd say success due to #22.

28) Eliminate prayer in schools: Success. It is not permitted in public schools here
.
29) Discredit the American Constitution: Mostly a Fail - Agree though it is under attack daily.

32) Centralized welfare: Partial Success - half is still controlled by a given state, some is private, some controlled by US Gov.

33) Eliminate laws which interfere w. Communist: Partial Success - but this is dependant on perspective so highly subjective to what law you are looking at. If its free trade for example, or if it's outlawing the Communist party is another.

34) Eliminate Committee on Un-American Activities. Success - There is no committee anymore if one existed at one time.

37) Infiltrate big business: Partial success??? - some companies are touting Socialistic ideas, and even central control. Software comes to mind.

38) Powers of arrest to social agencies. Success. Look at SPCA or even mental institutions.

40) Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce. Success
41) raise children away from parents: Success - Most families have 2 incomes and children are raised by Daycare with their own state guided way of raising them.

42) violence is American tradition: Success - Look at Hollywood.

44) Internationalize the Panama Canal. Success - I think Panama is in control of this now and it is an international waterway

45) Give the World Court jurisdiction over nations and individuals alike. Fail - but possibly in the near future this will be a success - Kerry wants to transfer power to the World Court, but this hasn't happened yet.

[joea]

Communism is finished, can't you Yanks get your heads out of the Cold War. If the commies won, why the hell did the USSR and Yugoslavia collapse into chaos and in some cases bloodshed. Even the Chinese are capitalist now.

[SUBMAN1]

Oh? really?
Who told you it was the communist party SUBMAN1? Did you just make that up?


I thought this sounded like conspiracy theorist stuff! :rotfl:
The part about our parties being very open is not made up. Where the data comes from is still in question, but it falls inline with what they are seeking:
http://www.cpusa.org/article/archive/9/

-S

PS. I feel like you are out to get me - Its a conspiracy I think! :D

[SUBMAN1]

Even the Chinese are capitalist now.
Not even close. They just rewrote the rules so that Communism can win.

Even Putin is on the way back to Communism.

[Tchocky]

That list can be spun in many different ways. Guys, if you're offering answers to the points, would ye mind including the full point, not just a 2/3-word summary? My scroll finger hurts from checking and rechecking

i suppose I'm more with Letum than SUBMAN here (quelle surprise..:)), but mostly because he's added "highly subjective"....

[Letum]

PS. I feel like you are out to get me - Its a conspiracy I think! :D
hehehe, not at all mate. :D

I just disagree with yopu on a few little points. ;)

The drinks are on me if you ever come past this corner of England!:()1:

[Takeda Shingen]

Socialism is not communism. You cannot use the terms interchangably. Socialism is an economic philosophy. Communism is a governing style. The Soviet Union was a Socialist Dictatorship. It was never communist. In fact, there has never been a communist nation.

[elite_hunter_sh3]

YES FINALLY SOMEONE WHO IS BACKING THE IDEA OF SOCIALISM IS PERFECT (in theory) communism made it look bad:down:

[ASWnut101]

I don't think he was backing it, more of separating the meanings of the two words.

And what do you mean by "communism made it look bad?"

[Tchocky]

Ha. Where you getting that from? :)

[ASWnut101]

Ha. Where you getting that from? :)


Who, me or Elite hunter?

[SUBMAN1]

YES FINALLY SOMEONE WHO IS BACKING THE IDEA OF SOCIALISM IS PERFECT (in theory) communism made it look bad:down:
I think its about as far from perfect that you can get - both in values and morals.

Oops, I take that back, it is perfect in a robot society. I guess if robots knock us off, except for a slave population, it might be perfect, and I suspect robots would also follow the same sort of linear society. Not much freedom in that.

-S

PS. Old addage - Give me Freedom or give me Death! Socialism is not freedom.

PPS. One more thought - your Hummer that you're all proud about doesn't exist in a Socialist society - you would not be able to afford it.

[Tchocky]

Ha. Where you getting that from? :)

Who, me or Elite hunter?
Elite, naturally. Would I ever disagree with you?

Matching one generalised blow with another

"Socialism is not freedom." - Bollocks

[waste gate]

YES FINALLY SOMEONE WHO IS BACKING THE IDEA OF SOCIALISM IS PERFECT (in theory) communism made it look bad:down:

Sounds to me that you and your family are living very well under capitalism. Not many of us can afford a H1. Before you advocate another economic system other than the system under which live, look at the benefits it has provided you. Your H1 would belong to everyone and no one. The way I understand it, private propery does not exist under socialism. I'll be over tomorrow.

Just a thought.

[RedMenace]

I, personally, believe in Communism. Communism is the only system that believes in the common good for all human beings all over the planet, and offers a solution. While Capitalism exploits greed, Communism aims to crush it. Where religion hopes to stop people in their dreams and ideas, Communism is there to help them along.

There has never been a Communist country, ever.

But there can be, and if we're lucky, godammit it, there will be. And it might even rule the world.

[waste gate]

I, personally, believe in Communism. Communism is the only system that believes in the common good for all human beings all over the planet, and offers a solution. While Capitalism exploits greed, Communism aims to crush it. Where religion hopes to stop people in their dreams and ideas, Communism is there to help them along.

There has never been a Communist country, ever.

But there can be, and if we're lucky, godammit it, there will be. And it might even rule the world.

When has legislating human nature ever worked?

PS Your use of the word 'rule' is interestingly imperial.

[RedMenace]

We've done it before, my friend. Democracy is a good example.

Human nature is, when you have power in your grasps, you grip it firmly, weild it harshly, and refuse to ever give it up.

Democracy says, "Hey, Pharaoh? King? Czar? Yeah, whatever, you're only gonna be here for like a few years, too bad."

Which has made life so much easier, but not easy enough.

[waste gate]

We've done it before, my friend. Democracy is a good example.

Human nature is, when you have power in your grasps, you grip it firmly, weild it harshly, and refuse to ever give it up.

Democracy says, "Hey, Pharaoh? King? Czar? Yeah, whatever, you're only gonna be here for like a few years, too bad."

Which has made life so much easier, but not easy enough.

So what you are saying is that when people give up their nature and legislate away all of man's evil we will all be free to be as destitute as the people you want you help?

[RedMenace]

What? You can't legislate away man's evils, it doesn't work that way. What you do is set up a society where everyone cares for each other, everyone relies on their neighbors, and your neighbors rely on you.

[August]

Communism is finished, can't you Yanks get your heads out of the Cold War. If the commies won, why the hell did the USSR and Yugoslavia collapse into chaos and in some cases bloodshed. Even the Chinese are capitalist now.

Don't be saying "Yanks" as if we all think that way dude.

[August]

Communism can only work in very small, and isolated, communities and even then it is unstable. It will never work in any social group thats too big for everyone to know everyone else without quickly degenerating into totalitarianism.

[waste gate]

What? You can't legislate away man's evils, it doesn't work that way. What you do is set up a society where everyone cares for each other, everyone relies on their neighbors, and your neighbors rely on you.

That utopia doesn't exist now, it didn't exist in the past, and it won't exist in the future. Whenever man strives to improve his existance equallity cannot and will not exist. The very act of improving man's existance has and will always raise some above others. Be not cinical of those achievements. Those are the same achievements which brought us democracy, human flight, radio, television, the telepnone, CD/DVD, indoor plumbing, soft toilet paper, safe food, clean water,
the computer you an I are using now. Should I go on? Look at everything which has been acomplished in the last 300 years. Do you really want to go back to 1707?

[joea]

IWhere religion hopes to stop people in their dreams and ideas, Communism is there to help them along.



Religion has never been eliminated (or spirituality)...it's a fundamental human need.

[joea]

Communism is finished, can't SOME OF you Yanks get your heads out of the Cold War. If the commies won, why the hell did the USSR and Yugoslavia collapse into chaos and in some cases bloodshed. Even the Chinese are capitalist now.
Don't be saying "Yanks" as if we all think that way dude.

Fixxed dude...sorry I type without thinking sometimes. :p

[RedMenace]

IWhere religion hopes to stop people in their dreams and ideas, Communism is there to help them along.


Religion has never been eliminated (or spirituality)...it's a fundamental human need.

Is it? I don't believe in any religion, nor do I believe in any spirituality. I believe in the now. This life, and helping as many people live as comfortably as possible through it. Obviously religion, nor spirituality, is not a fundamental human need.

[RedMenace]

What? You can't legislate away man's evils, it doesn't work that way. What you do is set up a society where everyone cares for each other, everyone relies on their neighbors, and your neighbors rely on you.
That utopia doesn't exist now, it didn't exist in the past, and it won't exist in the future. Whenever man strives to improve his existance equallity cannot and will not exist. The very act of improving man's existance has and will always raise some above others. Be not cinical of those achievements. Those are the same achievements which brought us democracy, human flight, radio, television, the telepnone, CD/DVD, indoor plumbing, soft toilet paper, safe food, clean water,
the computer you an I are using now. Should I go on? Look at everything which has been acomplished in the last 300 years. Do you really want to go back to 1707?

In a Communist society, ideas and inventions will be brought to us much much faster. The very fact that competition and money doesn't exist allows people with ideas to actually go through with them, without worrying about ending up on the streets broke, or with a lawsuit up his ass.

[August]

In a Communist society, ideas and inventions will be brought to us much much faster. The very fact that competition and money doesn't exist allows people with ideas to actually go through with them, without worrying about ending up on the streets broke, or with a lawsuit up his ass.

So any idea or invention no matter how stupid or useless is going to be supported by the state? If not then who gets to decide what should be?

Competition is vital as it provides the impetus for improvement. Without competition things either stagnate or are acted upon based on politics rather than sound economic sense.

[Tchocky]

There's no better spur for innovation than cash. The greatest advances may bhe works of passion and dedication, but the overwhelming majority are cash cows. No harm done, usually.
This constant called "human nature" is being proclaimed, does anyone real y believe that a certain set of attitudes prevail in every person regardless of situation, towards economics, shelter, agriculture, etc? Sounds like rubbish to me...the only human constant I can spot is a kind of blindness

[SUBMAN1]

In a Communist society, ideas and inventions will be brought to us much much faster. The very fact that competition and money doesn't exist allows people with ideas to actually go through with them, without worrying about ending up on the streets broke, or with a lawsuit up his ass.
Hmm. I guess that is why America has always out invented the old Soviet Union? The proof is in the pudding. Ideas survive because people like them and make them survive - this will always happen, and at a tremendously faster rate in a capitalist society than any state controlled idea.

I'd have to say - Your answer = the wrong answer.

-S

[Tchocky]

Bleh, as if such linear ideas as Communism/Capitalism, Right/Left have any relevance in anything other than an historical discussion.

Under capitalism, man is exploited by man.
Under communism, it's the exact opposite

[SUBMAN1]

Bleh, as if such linear ideas as Communism/Capitalism, Right/Left have any relevance in anything other than an historical discussion.

Under capitalism, man is exploited by man.
Under communism, it's the exact opposite

Yes - Man exploited by State or dictator! :D Completely opposite. At least on Capitalism, a man can get out from being exploited by one man and move on. Under Communism, you don't have the option.

-S

[Tchocky]

Scratch "opposite", replace with "reverse", then re-read

[SUBMAN1]

Scratch "opposite", replace with "reverse", then re-read

Ahh! (light bulb goes off!)

[tycho102]

2) US willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war Done.
3) Develop the illusion that total disarmament by the US would be a demonstration of "moral strength" Done.
4) Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war. Done.
5) Extension of long term loans to Russia and Soviet Satellites Done.
6) Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination All except Cuba.
7) Grant recognition of Red China, and admission of Red China to the UN. Done.
8) Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the Germany question by free elections under supervision of the UN Done by the Germans, themselves.
9) Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the US has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress Done, even after the conferences ended.
10) Allow all Soviet Satellites individual representation in the UN Done.
11) Promote the UN as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the UN as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo) Jesus Democrat-Party Christ, Done.
12) Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party Done.
13) Do away with loyalty oaths In work.
15) Capture one or both of the political parties in the US Done. (Democrat)
16) Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions, by claiming their activities violate civil rights. Done.
17) Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for Socialism, and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers associations. Put the party line in text books. Done.
18) Gain control of all student newspapers Done.
20) Infiltrate the press. Get control of book review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions. Done.
21) Gain control of key positions in radio, TV & motion pictures. Done.
24) Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press. Just the opposite -- they censor with reference to it as "hate speech".
25) Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography, and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio and TV. Done.
26) Present Homosexuality, degeneracy, and promiscuity as "normal, natural, and healthy". Done.
27) Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch" Done.
28) Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the grounds that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state" Done.
29) Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis. Done.
30) Discredit the American founding fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man". Done.
31) Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of "the big picture:" Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over. Done.
32) Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture - - education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc. Done.
33) Eliminate all laws or procedures, which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus. It is in work even as we speak, Komrade Speaker.
34) Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities. Done.
35) Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI In work.
36) Infiltrate and gain control of more unions. Done.
37) Infiltrate and gain control of big business In work.
38) Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand or treat. Done.
39) Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals. Done.
40) Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.Done.
41) Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents. Done.
44) Internationalize the Panama Canal.Sold.
45) Repeal the Connally Reservation so the US can not prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction over nations and individuals alike. In work.

[Tchocky]

Wow, they've really been successful :roll:

[SUBMAN1]

The problem with Communism and Socialism is that it is based on the very things that I despise - PC. It is purely a PC based mentallity. Why would I want to live in a world based on PC? I admire people standing up and taking a risk to design something extrodanary. Socialism however is completely opposite of this - it helps out people that just don't care to help themselves. Why should I help someone who does not want to help themselves? Why should I help someone who hangs out looking for a free handout so that he or she doesn't have to work? And you wonder why the Soviet Union went bankrupt - it doesn't take rocket science to figure it out.

My views are that we've been fighting against the very values we are turning to for over half a Century. I've watched my country slowly going off the deep end over it too. Am I the only one finding this a bit ironic?

-S

PS. ALl our troops that died fighting Communism died for nothing. We are turning into the very thing we have fought against for so long.

[Takeda Shingen]

IWhere religion hopes to stop people in their dreams and ideas, Communism is there to help them along.


Religion has never been eliminated (or spirituality)...it's a fundamental human need.

Is it? I don't believe in any religion, nor do I believe in any spirituality. I believe in the now. This life, and helping as many people live as comfortably as possible through it. Obviously religion, nor spirituality, is not a fundamental human need.

Abraham Maslow disagrees.

http://webspace.ship.edu/cgboer/maslow.html

Religious affiliation is a clear-set path to self-actualization.

[waste gate]

IWhere religion hopes to stop people in their dreams and ideas, Communism is there to help them along.


Religion has never been eliminated (or spirituality)...it's a fundamental human need.

Is it? I don't believe in any religion, nor do I believe in any spirituality. I believe in the now. This life, and helping as many people live as comfortably as possible through it. Obviously religion, nor spirituality, is not a fundamental human need.

Abraham Maslow disagrees.

http://webspace.ship.edu/cgboer/maslow.html

Religious affiliation is a clear-set path to self-actualization.

I remember having to know about Maslows Hierarchy years ago when I was getting my CFI ticket. I guess all teachers have to know about this.

[Takeda Shingen]

Yeah, everything in popular educational theory comes back to The Hierarchy. In fact, some of the other teachers and I have pool during every in-service meeting where we try to pinpoint how long it will be before the Maslow pyramid is flashed up on the powerpoint or overhead. I always lose.

[SUBMAN1]

Yeah, everything in popular educational theory comes back to The Hierarchy. In fact, some of the other teachers and I have pool during every in-service meeting where we try to pinpoint how long it will be before the Maslow pyramid is flashed up on the powerpoint or overhead. I always lose.

I agree with the application of scientific theory as applied by this guy is wrong too. Too small a study group to even call it anything more than a hypothesis.

-S

[Immacolata]

Its nice to see the old Tinfoil Hat / Git Aff Mah Land, Commie Bastards Brigade is sound and well here in the General Discussion forums :)

Too tired to partake in pointless, endless discussions right now, SH4 patrols are taking some energy. But Ill be on the boat tomorrow.

[SUBMAN1]

hehehe, not at all mate. :D

I just disagree with yopu on a few little points. ;)

The drinks are on me if you ever come past this corner of England!:()1:
A few little? Hahaha! K - drinks - you're on. Can't pass up free beer!

Might need drinks all night on the few little points we seem to have! :p

-S