Silent Hunter 4 Patch 1.1

[hyperion2206]

Download: SH4 v1.1 Patch (http://www.ubi.com/US/Downloads/Info.aspx?dlId=2172)

Changes in Patch 1.1

HARD DRIVE SPACE

Windows will require additional free hard drive space for its operating system
(virtual memory). If you encounter the following message in an error dialog:
"Ran out of virtual memory", free up some more hard drive space.

To install Silent Hunter 4 - Wolves of the Pacific - Patch V 1.1 you will need approximately 200 MB free hard disk space for the full patch.

NEW FEATURES

New in game voices.
New stern and bow wave effects.
Added End Game movies - available only for campaign end of war.
Option to change the interface using Miles instead of KM.
Night filters for interface.
Added torpedo planes in the game.
Added, medals, calendar, New papers, Hall Of fame and End campaign screens in Career Mode.
Added a "death camera"
Added the S-42 class to the game,


GAMEPLAY CHANGES
Patrol date is adapted to flotilla transfer date.
Tuning in efficicency mechanics.
Sensors tuning.
Tuning in submarine structure.
Added new orders in HUD.
Improvements to subsystem, crew and torpedo management screens.
Improved interface for rescue survivors interface.
Added tooltips on interface.
Added new Historical battles during campaign.
Added more Harbor traffic.
Added more "life" in frendly harbors.
Added more special units to enemy harbors and locations.
Added more abjectives in campaign.
Improved AI for merchant.
Corrected plane rosters for Japanese airbases and aircraft carriers.
Made the Radar Station inaccessible when the Surface Search Radar is not present onboard.


BUG FIXES
Menus tuning
Removed the AI bugs from the game.
End of War bug fixed.
Removed bugs regarding save/load/replay.
Removed Multiplayer connections bugs.
Fixed randomly crashes during the game play, save and load.

[Safe-Keeper]

Took 'em long enough:p.

[hyperion2206]

Took 'em long enough:p.

I agree, a bunch of lazy bastards!:p Just kidding, the devs have done a great job in such a short time.:yep:

[daft]

I just went to the UK Sh4 site and found out that a patch is on it's way. Here's the detail:

Changes in Patch 1.1

HARD DRIVE SPACE

Windows will require additional free hard drive space for its operating system
(virtual memory). If you encounter the following message in an error dialog:
"Ran out of virtual memory", free up some more hard drive space.

To install Silent Hunter 4 - Wolves of the Pacific - Patch V 1.1 you will need approximately 200 MB free hard disk space for the full patch.

[SNIP...]


GAMEPLAY CHANGES
[SNIP...]
Tuning in efficicency mechanics.
...

I wonder what that means. Looking at that list it becomes quite obvious SH4 hit the market a wee bit earlier than it should have. But all is well and good. A patch is on the way. :)

[SteamWake]

Im assuming it has to do with crew member efficency in relation to there "training".

[Arrowhead2k1]

Oh thank you JESUS!! :D

(I'm not actually religious...) :)

[Spike]

Sorry guys,(ubisoft) we are dumping this peace of sh@t and stating from scatch w/ a new engine....:rotfl:

[stuntcow]

Day after release, right on time..... For all the crying, it would seem that the dev team have been working on a patch since the sim went gold. Thank you to them that have not givin up on SH4 as some of the "Fans" have....

[Fat Bhoy Tim]

I notice a miles instead of KM, but strangely not a feet instead of metres. otherwise, it's a step in the right direction alright.

[BellJack95]

Sorry guys,(ubisoft) we are dumping this peace of sh@t and stating from scatch w/ a new engine....:rotfl:

....and a new chassis, new muffler, new tires and a sleeker aerodynamic appearance. However, not all is changed as we are keeping the cool looking hood ornament and racing stripes! :)

Thanks for the information on the upcoming patch! I am still waiting patiently for my copy of the game, maybe the patch will be available in time so that when I get my game I can patch to 1.1 right away!

[hyperion2206]

Day after release, right on time..... For all the crying, it would seem that the dev team have been working on a patch since the sim went gold. Thank you to them that have not givin up on SH4 as some of the "Fans" have....

You're right and it doesn't surprise me that they're that fast. SH devs always seemed very dedicated and caring about their product.:up: I wish some of the 'fans' would give the game a chance before thy start slamming it.:yep:

[Fat Bhoy Tim]

Day after release, right on time..... For all the crying, it would seem that the dev team have been working on a patch since the sim went gold. Thank you to them that have not givin up on SH4 as some of the "Fans" have....

Given up? It's a not a race lad . Some people simply don't want to part with their cash until they know it's worth it, other are pragmatists such as myself, and some are just fans who want it regardless.

[Barkhorn1x]

I wonder what that means. Looking at that list it becomes quite obvious SH4 hit the market a wee bit earlier than it should have. But all is well and good. A patch is on the way. :)

My thoughts exactly.

[geetrue]

That's just great I don't even have the game yet and the first patch is out :up:

What do I do download the patch and be ready for when the game gets here?

Thanks Ubi ... won't be long till I see those smiley's on the radar scope :yep:

[NefariousKoel]

I notice a miles instead of KM, but strangely not a feet instead of metres. otherwise, it's a step in the right direction alright.

Hopefully they meant Imperial instead of Metric.

[hyperion2206]

That's just great I don't even have the game yet and the first patch is out :up:

What do I do download the patch and be ready for when the game gets here?

Thanks Ubi ... won't be long till I see those smiley's on the radar scope :yep:

That patch is not released yet. They did however that they will release it 'soon'.;)

[Fat Bhoy Tim]

I notice a miles instead of KM, but strangely not a feet instead of metres. otherwise, it's a step in the right direction alright.
Hopefully they meant Imperial instead of Metric.

let's hope :rotfl:

[elite_hunter_sh3]

NOW LETS THIS BE A WARNING!! TO ALL THE WHINERS AND COMPLAINERS WHO now say they they dont want to buy the game, BUY IT ASAP, because then they get money then they are motivated to release patches.

I TOLD YOU SO!!
:shifty: :shifty:


whiners:smug::cool: get the game... end of discussion :up:

[ParaB]

An UBISoft-moderator on the official german forum wrote that the patch will be released tomorrow, and that it will be around 160 MB.

I'm glad that they're providing a much needed patch so quickly, but this again sounds like the "release the game no matter what its current status is, we can simply offer the customers a couple hundred MB of patches later..."-routine so many publishers today seem to rely on.

[Spaxspore]

I notice a miles instead of KM, but strangely not a feet instead of metres. otherwise, it's a step in the right direction alright.
Hopefully they meant Imperial instead of Metric.
let's hope :rotfl:


well considerin its only been out a little over 24hrs am happy to hear anything about a patch from them, let alone a early fix list. Dude it took eagames like 8months after releaseing BF2 before a patch was out.

[hyperion2206]

NOW LETS THIS BE A WARNING!! TO ALL THE WHINERS AND COMPLAINERS WHO now say they they dont want to buy the game, BUY IT ASAP, because then they get money then they are motivated to release patches.

I TOLD YOU SO!!
:shifty: :shifty:


whiners:smug::cool: get the game... end of discussion :up:

That's the right attitude, mate!:up::rock:

[SteamWake]

Wow and here I was going to wait a few weeks.

Good news indeed.

[FIREWALL]

I just went to the UK Sh4 site and found out that a patch is on it's way. Here's the detail:

Changes in Patch 1.1

HARD DRIVE SPACE

Windows will require additional free hard drive space for its operating system
(virtual memory). If you encounter the following message in an error dialog:
"Ran out of virtual memory", free up some more hard drive space.

To install Silent Hunter 4 - Wolves of the Pacific - Patch V 1.1 you will need approximately 200 MB free hard disk space for the full patch.

NEW FEATURES

New in game voices.
New stern and bow wave effects.
Added End Game movies - available only for campaign end of war.
Option to change the interface using Miles instead of KM.
Night filters for interface.
Added torpedo planes in the game.
Added, medals, calendar, New papers, Hall Of fame and End campaign screens in Career Mode.
Added a "death camera"
Added the S-42 class to the game,


GAMEPLAY CHANGES
Patrol date is adapted to flotilla transfer date.
Tuning in efficicency mechanics.
Sensors tuning.
Tuning in submarine structure.
Added new orders in HUD.
Improvements to subsystem, crew and torpedo management screens.
Improved interface for rescue survivors interface.
Added tooltips on interface.
Added new Historical battles during campaign.
Added more Harbor traffic.
Added more "life" in frendly harbors.
Added more special units to enemy harbors and locations.
Added more abjectives in campaign.
Improved AI for merchant.
Corrected plane rosters for Japanese airbases and aircraft carriers.
Made the Radar Station inaccessible when the Surface Search Radar is not present onboard.


BUG FIXES
Menus tuning
Removed the AI bugs from the game.
End of War bug fixed.
Removed bugs regarding save/load/replay.
Removed Multiplayer connections bugs.
Fixed randomly crashes during the game play, save and load.

:up: to you. While alot were whineing you were out looking. Btw whats the deal about this concern abuot HD space? I have two 300 gig hds. I don't use 25% of it.

[Psyon]

I notice a miles instead of KM, but strangely not a feet instead of metres. otherwise, it's a step in the right direction alright.
Hopefully they meant Imperial instead of Metric.

let's hope :rotfl:

it will be miles/yards/feet :yep: i have a feeling he was writing that on the european highways in his big american gas guzzling chevy truck and noticed the bigger numbers on the dash were in MPH:rotfl:

[Avatar]

I love it. Rock and roll! :rock: Already the patch is coming out and I haven't even picked up my copy from EB games!
Keep up the good work and good hunting to all!!!!
:up:

[Spaxspore]

BUG FIXES
Menus tuning
Removed the AI bugs from the game.
End of War bug fixed.
Removed bugs regarding save/load/replay.
Removed Multiplayer connections bugs.
Fixed randomly crashes during the game play, save and load.
:up: to you. While alot were whineing you were out looking. Btw whats the deal about this concern abuot HD space? I have two 300 gig hds. I don't use 25% of it.

I got 3 TBS, ill be fine... righ??

[Biggles]

Excellent news mates!:up:

I don't have the game yet, but I'll get it, and it'll be fun to have a new patch to download straight away, so I won't see all the bugs....

[Iron Budokan]

Good news. But one wonders what the casual gamer who normally doesn't hang around bubblehead forums will do when he buys the game and doesn't know there's a patch available? I don't guess there's any way these people can be contacted and informed of these fixes...? Reminds me of the olden days when I had AOD and didn't know anything about a "community".

So Joe Lunchbox (or Sally Housecoat) buys this game, tries to play it and gets turned off from sub sims forever because of the unfinished feel. Kind of a bummer.

Sure, SH3 had problems, but I don't remember stock SH3 having this much furor over the rawness of the product. Didn't UBI make more money from the casual gamer buying SH3, not hardcore sub simmers like me and others who frequently inhabit these forums? Dunno. But again while I remember complaining about SH3 being "unfinished" when it came out, I don't remember it being this negative.

Then again I have trouble remembering what happened yesterday.... :lol:

I'm really looking forward to Neal's review. I think that's going to tell us a lot and answer some currently unanswered questions and fears we all have regarding this game. Therefore, I am waiting patiently...but with my wittle heart going pitter patter.

[geetrue]

I read and I read and I read while waiting for my copy of SH4 and I didn't even know some of those things in the patch were a problem yet ...

I really look forward to these additions in the patch:

Added more Harbor traffic.
Added more "life" in frendly harbors.
Added more special units to enemy harbors and locations.

[Barabus]

I am guessing by exclusion in the update list and silence from Ubisoft in general on the topic that the fixed resolution isn't going to be address anytime soon if at all? :-?

[AVGWarhawk]

All you naysayers;)

[Iron Budokan]

Agreed....more life in the harbors is always a good thing for immersion. :up:

[Grothesj2]

I posted in another thread that they were surely working on a patch already between the times the CDs were pressed/packaged/shipped and the release date. Looks like the patch might make it out before my pre-order does. Not sure if I should be happy or irked about that. :lol: I just hope the damn thing runs without me having to buy new upgrades. VA disability checks and my meager wage dont go far.

[Fat Bhoy Tim]

I notice a miles instead of KM, but strangely not a feet instead of metres. otherwise, it's a step in the right direction alright.
Hopefully they meant Imperial instead of Metric.
let's hope :rotfl:
it will be miles/yards/feet :yep: i have a feeling he was writing that on the european highways in his big american gas guzzling chevy truck and noticed the bigger numbers on the dash were in MPH:rotfl:

Nothing wrong with gas guzzlers :|\\

[elite_hunter_sh3]

SO BUY THE GAME!! patch already came out before the game was even in stores !! :huh:
GET THE GAME OTHERWISE ILL SPAM UR PM BOX!!:up: :arrgh!:









* seriously though get the game or ur pm box will be full of ubi sh4 propaganda bu the game pamplets:up:

[NefariousKoel]

An UBISoft-moderator on the official german forum wrote that the patch will be released tomorrow, and that it will be around 160 MB.


:huh:

That's great!

Hell, I'm still waiting on the second patch for M2TW (which I bought about 4 months ago) to fix some of the bad AI behaviours. This first one looks like it'll clean up all the essentials, at least, and it's out almost on release.:up:

[JamesT73J]

An UBISoft-moderator on the official german forum wrote that the patch will be released tomorrow, and that it will be around 160 MB.

I'm glad that they're providing a much needed patch so quickly, but this again sounds like the "release the game no matter what its current status is, we can simply offer the customers a couple hundred MB of patches later..."-routine so many publishers today seem to rely on.

Such is life in software development. Deadlines are flexible only to a very narrow degree; chances are the core features of the sim were scheduled to be completed on time no matter what; I'm guessing that the snags were decisively dropped for resolution post-release. It may piss off the customer something rotten, but it's good discipline on the part of the developer (they don't bust a deadline which could wreck the whole logistics and marketing chain) and ultimately you're going to get your fixes.

Have faith.

[nhall70]

Hmmm....

The patch information just dissapeared from the official website. It was there just a moment ago, but now it's gone.

Boy...this oughta get the conspiracy theories rolling! :hmm:

[Immacolata]

An UBISoft-moderator on the official german forum wrote that the patch will be released tomorrow, and that it will be around 160 MB.

I'm glad that they're providing a much needed patch so quickly, but this again sounds like the "release the game no matter what its current status is, we can simply offer the customers a couple hundred MB of patches later..."-routine so many publishers today seem to rely on.

Everytime a forum goer mentions the "release beta and patch later"-routine I die a little on the inside. Its probably true but it doesn't exactly cheer anyone up does it?

Cheer up. PLEASE! Get out of your frocks ladies, behave like men.

Hell, I'm still waiting on the second patch for M2TW (which I bought about 4 months ago) to fix some of the bad AI behaviours. This first one looks like it'll clean up all the essentials, at least, and it's out almost on release.:up:

Hah, thats nothing compared to RTW :) Buy some Paradox games. They're buggy as HELL on release but they patch them up fast and for a LONG time after release. I just bought EU3, great game.

[SteamWake]

Good news. But one wonders what the casual gamer who normally doesn't hang around bubblehead forums will do when he buys the game and doesn't know there's a patch available? I don't guess there's any way these people can be contacted and informed of these fixes...? Reminds me of the olden days when I had AOD and didn't know anything about a "community".

So Joe Lunchbox (or Sally Housecoat) buys this game, tries to play it and gets turned off from sub sims forever because of the unfinished feel. Kind of a bummer.

Sure, SH3 had problems, but I don't remember stock SH3 having this much furor over the rawness of the product. Didn't UBI make more money from the casual gamer buying SH3, not hardcore sub simmers like me and others who frequently inhabit these forums? Dunno. But again while I remember complaining about SH3 being "unfinished" when it came out, I don't remember it being this negative.

Then again I have trouble remembering what happened yesterday.... :lol:

I'm really looking forward to Neal's review. I think that's going to tell us a lot and answer some currently unanswered questions and fears we all have regarding this game. Therefore, I am waiting patiently...but with my wittle heart going pitter patter.

I dont think that "casual gamers" are really there target audiance.

[Biggles]

Hmmm....

The patch information just dissapeared from the official website. It was there just a moment ago, but now it's gone.

Boy...this oughta get the conspiracy theories rolling! :hmm:


..............they're watching us....:huh:

[Immacolata]

Good news. But one wonders what the casual gamer who normally doesn't hang around bubblehead forums will do when he buys the game and doesn't know there's a patch available? I don't guess there's any way these people can be contacted and informed of these fixes...? Reminds me of the olden days when I had AOD and didn't know anything about a "community".

So Joe Lunchbox (or Sally Housecoat) buys this game, tries to play it and gets turned off from sub sims forever because of the unfinished feel. Kind of a bummer.


To be honest. Do you care about the Lunchboxes? or the Housecoats? No? I thought so. Nor do I. Thats just putting up an argument for arguments sake isnt it?

Sure, SH3 had problems, but I don't remember stock SH3 having this much furor over the rawness of the product. Didn't UBI make more money from the casual gamer buying SH3, not hardcore sub simmers like me and others who frequently inhabit these forums? Dunno. But again while I remember complaining about SH3 being "unfinished" when it came out, I don't remember it being this negative.

You probably didn't have half the expectations for SH3 that you do for this game. You expect this game to outdo SH3 by a 100%. And it just cant!
I'm really looking forward to Neal's review. I think that's going to tell us a lot and answer some currently unanswered questions and fears we all have regarding this game. Therefore, I am waiting patiently...but with my wittle heart going pitter patter.

Hmm, AFAIK neal gave SH3 a 100%. Was it THAT good? Not in my opinion. But it WAS good.

[Mentalist]

Good news. But one wonders what the casual gamer who normally doesn't hang around bubblehead forums will do when he buys the game and doesn't know there's a patch available? I don't guess there's any way these people can be contacted and informed of these fixes...? Reminds me of the olden days when I had AOD and didn't know anything about a "community".

So Joe Lunchbox (or Sally Housecoat) buys this game, tries to play it and gets turned off from sub sims forever because of the unfinished feel. Kind of a bummer.

Sure, SH3 had problems, but I don't remember stock SH3 having this much furor over the rawness of the product. Didn't UBI make more money from the casual gamer buying SH3, not hardcore sub simmers like me and others who frequently inhabit these forums? Dunno. But again while I remember complaining about SH3 being "unfinished" when it came out, I don't remember it being this negative.

Then again I have trouble remembering what happened yesterday.... :lol:

I'm really looking forward to Neal's review. I think that's going to tell us a lot and answer some currently unanswered questions and fears we all have regarding this game. Therefore, I am waiting patiently...but with my wittle heart going pitter patter.

I dont think that "casual gamers" are really there target audiance.


Casual gamers are ALWAYS the target audience. People who visit communities like this, and are active with the product online and such, only make up a microscopic percentage of the end sales of the game. Catering to the casual audience is always the foremost concern from a sales perspective.

[http]

Hmmm....

The patch information just dissapeared from the official website. It was there just a moment ago, but now it's gone.

Boy...this oughta get the conspiracy theories rolling! :hmm:


..............they're watching us....:huh:

lol!

Maybe....:hmm:

[Psyon]

I notice a miles instead of KM, but strangely not a feet instead of metres. otherwise, it's a step in the right direction alright.
Hopefully they meant Imperial instead of Metric.
let's hope :rotfl:
it will be miles/yards/feet :yep: i have a feeling he was writing that on the european highways in his big american gas guzzling chevy truck and noticed the bigger numbers on the dash were in MPH:rotfl:

Nothing wrong with gas guzzlers :|\\

nope! nothing wrong with those guzzlers, my truck loves gas:D

[Iron Budokan]

Good news. But one wonders what the casual gamer who normally doesn't hang around bubblehead forums will do when he buys the game and doesn't know there's a patch available? I don't guess there's any way these people can be contacted and informed of these fixes...? Reminds me of the olden days when I had AOD and didn't know anything about a "community".

So Joe Lunchbox (or Sally Housecoat) buys this game, tries to play it and gets turned off from sub sims forever because of the unfinished feel. Kind of a bummer.


To be honest. Do you care about the Lunchboxes? or the Housecoats? No? I thought so. Nor do I. Thats just putting up an argument for arguments sake isnt it?

Sure, SH3 had problems, but I don't remember stock SH3 having this much furor over the rawness of the product. Didn't UBI make more money from the casual gamer buying SH3, not hardcore sub simmers like me and others who frequently inhabit these forums? Dunno. But again while I remember complaining about SH3 being "unfinished" when it came out, I don't remember it being this negative.

You probably didn't have half the expectations for SH3 that you do for this game. You expect this game to outdo SH3 by a 100%. And it just cant!
I'm really looking forward to Neal's review. I think that's going to tell us a lot and answer some currently unanswered questions and fears we all have regarding this game. Therefore, I am waiting patiently...but with my wittle heart going pitter patter.

Hmm, AFAIK neal gave SH3 a 100%. Was it THAT good? Not in my opinion. But it WAS good.

No, I really do care about the Lunchboxes and Housecoats because I knew zilch about sub sims when I picked up Silent Service II a long time a go in a galaxy far away. I've been hooked on sub sims ever since. So, yeah, it does make a difference in whether you put out a good product that keeps people coming back for me. I know it did for me and sub sims.

And I do trust Neal to give a good, honest review. And, yes, with all its faults SH3 was 100% because of all the new benchmarks it set in sub sims. That's just a fact.

And, finally, I catagorically do not expect SH4 to outshine SH3. I expect it to stand on its own, one way or the other. :up:

[Ark]

Day after release, right on time..... For all the crying, it would seem that the dev team have been working on a patch since the sim went gold. Thank you to them that have not givin up on SH4 as some of the "Fans" have....

You're right and it doesn't surprise me that they're that fast. SH devs always seemed very dedicated and caring about their product.:up: I wish some of the 'fans' would give the game a chance before thy start slamming it.:yep:




They know the product is coming out incomplete, so they start preparing for a patch ahead of time. Dev teams always do it. Don't kid yourself into thinking it's all about "dedication". It's all about "the bottom line". ;)


On a side note, as much as I appreciate the new patch....they need to deal with this locked resolution issue as well. The product looks like ass, and despite the feelings of some people here....graphics do matter to a LOT of people, just like gameplay...and so far, this game looks sub-par and underwhelming at best (comparatively speaking).

[hyperion2206]

Good news. But one wonders what the casual gamer who normally doesn't hang around bubblehead forums will do when he buys the game and doesn't know there's a patch available? I don't guess there's any way these people can be contacted and informed of these fixes...? Reminds me of the olden days when I had AOD and didn't know anything about a "community".

So Joe Lunchbox (or Sally Housecoat) buys this game, tries to play it and gets turned off from sub sims forever because of the unfinished feel. Kind of a bummer.

Sure, SH3 had problems, but I don't remember stock SH3 having this much furor over the rawness of the product. Didn't UBI make more money from the casual gamer buying SH3, not hardcore sub simmers like me and others who frequently inhabit these forums? Dunno. But again while I remember complaining about SH3 being "unfinished" when it came out, I don't remember it being this negative.

Then again I have trouble remembering what happened yesterday.... :lol:

I'm really looking forward to Neal's review. I think that's going to tell us a lot and answer some currently unanswered questions and fears we all have regarding this game. Therefore, I am waiting patiently...but with my wittle heart going pitter patter.
If they're smart they'll search google for 'SH4 patch', that's what I always do.:yep::smug: That's how I got here, I was searching for patches for DW and found this wonderful place.:D

[geetrue]

Hmmm....

The patch information just dissapeared from the official website. It was there just a moment ago, but now it's gone.

Boy...this oughta get the conspiracy theories rolling! :hmm:


..............they're watching us....:huh:

UK is famous for that ... I hear you can't even pick someones pocket
in London anymore :lol:

[Spike]

You're right and it doesn't surprise me that they're that fast. SH devs always seemed very dedicated and caring about their product.:up: I wish some of the 'fans' would give the game a chance before thy start slamming it.:yep: You must not have played SH2.

[Mr.Elendig]

:up: to you. While alot were whineing you were out looking. Btw whats the deal about this concern abuot HD space? I have two 300 gig hds. I don't use 25% of it.

Heh, I got about 1TB in total and atm i got less than 1GB free. Good thing discspace is cheap these days. :D

Anyway, with the patch out, all that's left to wait for, is the modding community to fix the rest :arrgh!:

[Ostfriese]

I wonder what that means. Looking at that list it becomes quite obvious SH4 hit the market a wee bit earlier than it should have. Well, look at the date. This procedure ensured that SH IV hit the shelves before the end of the first quarter. This way UBI can polish up the quarterly balance. ******* the customers, you can feed them an early patch, and they'll even thank you on their knees for being ripped off. It's all about money :)

[Ark]

I wonder what that means. Looking at that list it becomes quite obvious SH4 hit the market a wee bit earlier than it should have. Well, look at the date. This procedure ensured that SH IV hit the shelves before the end of the first quarter. This way UBI can polish up the quarterly balance. ******* the customers, you can feed them an early patch, and they'll even thank you on their knees for being ripped off. It's all about money :)


Sad but true.

It always amazes me how a company can release a blatantly unfinished product, and then release a patch right afterwards and have all the fans attribute this patch release to "the development teams dedication to the fans". :doh:

I'm not trying to be cynical here, but lets be serious. The game in it's present state is borderline garbage. The dev team MUST do something fast or all of the reviews will see this game for exactly what it currently is; A buggy game the sounds bad and looks worse.

[gnirtS]

Given there hasn't been any time to collate bugs yet alone fix, alpha test, beta test and so on i think its safe to assume this patch has been weeks in the making already.

In otherwords an imposed deadline forced the release of a game they knew was broken and unfinished and they started playing catchup as soon as it went gold, if not before.

Unless the readme has bits missing quite a lot of the bugs dont appear to be mentioned in it which is a little worrying.

[unruhly]

A patch? This isn't a patch, it's a feature/enhancement pack.
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?
This is why the console has taken over gaming! You've for the most part got one chance at getting it right when the game is released. Period!

I'm not even a casual gamer anymore cause of this.
I'm an IT manager that plugs away on this crap all day long. I want/need a game where I can get away from having to mod, patch, mess with resolution settings, AA, driver incompatibilites, downloading multiple patches, etc. I don't want to have to do that after a day on the job!

I just don't understand the mentality of releasing a game and expecting a community to help perfect it. I'm not talking about bugs, they are another thing entirely. A bug is something that is overlooked in programming and is to be expected. We all make mistakes. But to expect someone to have to put up with this type of programming deficiency and unfinished work is wrong, plain and simple.

[gnirtS]

Usually in these cases the publisher forces a date on the developer. The result then is unfinished/untested or buggy releases forced by an artificial timetable.

[Ostfriese]

I just don't understand the mentality of releasing a game and expecting a community to help perfect it. What's so difficult to understand about it? It works, the publishers can do this crap over and over (and they have been doing so for quite some time already), and it still works, no one really complains, everyone just marches into the next shop and buys the bug ridden games.

[gnirtS]

Any game that the community can alter/tinker with has a massively increased lifespan over one that doesn't.

Think of SH3, Falcon 4, MS Flight sim series - all of which are kept alive years after their shelf life due to community improvements.

[AG124]

Added the S-42 class to the game,

:o First patch, only a couple of days after release, and they are already adding another US sub variant.:up: There was a discussion earlier about which variants of the S-Class would be included- it looks like we will get two of them (as I suspected).

[Ark]

I just don't understand the mentality of releasing a game and expecting a community to help perfect it. What's so difficult to understand about it? It works, the publishers can do this crap over and over (and they have been doing so for quite some time already), and it still works, no one really complains, everyone just marches into the next shop and buys the bug ridden games.


No, people do complain..

But the morons call those who are complaining, "whiners". So, the people complaining get fed up and leave. The community gets smaller, the market for the product shrinks, and less games from that genre are released. Then, the ones who called the complainers "whiners", in fact become the complainers.

It's a vicious circle of nonsense.

[Ark]

Any game that the community can alter/tinker with has a massively increased lifespan over one that doesn't.

Think of SH3, Falcon 4, MS Flight sim series - all of which are kept alive years after their shelf life due to community improvements.


Agreed, but the only question that really remians is.....

How moddable is SHIV?

[Ragtag]

It worries me that the "Target speed measuring" clock in manual TDC is NOT on the bugfix list. Patch info has been removed on the UK site, reason "not confirmed yet".

Update: updated patch list at the official SH4 forum here: http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/6421019045/m/8821092345

[NightCrawler-SimHQ]

Sad but true.

It always amazes me how a company can release a blatantly unfinished product, and then release a patch right afterwards and have all the fans attribute this patch release to "the development teams dedication to the fans".
I know what you mean by that remark. Many, many players have either already purchased the game or is awaiting its arrival on their doorstep. What I feel sorry for is actually the players that purchased the "Collector's Edition" which cost around $80 USD, and feel what they are feeling right now. As many has already stated this patch was in the works probably even before the game was announced as "Gold Master". Any devote "followers" of Ubisoft WILL support them by calling us "whinners" and/or "complainers" , but I personally refuse to pay for a game that is totally buggy from the start.

I am truly awaiting what the magazine reviewers, like PC Gamer, are going to say concerning this game, because they review the game as it "came out of the box", NOT after it has been "patched". I can see them really dishing this game, like at probably 2/10 or 20%. This will be horrible for Ubisoft, but they did it to themselves!

[Barkhorn1x]

The post is still there - I am looking at it right now.

Windows will require additional free hard drive space for its operating system
(virtual memory). If you encounter the following message in an error dialog:
"Ran out of virtual memory", free up some more hard drive space.

To install Silent Hunter 4 - Wolves of the Pacific - Patch V 1.1 you will need approximately 200 MB free hard disk space for the full patch.


BTW, I am guessing that all of that junk is just alerting you to the fact that the patch will expand to eat up VIRTUAL MEMORY - not HD space.

It is odd that it would be mentioned as you need at least a Gig to run this thing in the first place and I'm pretty sure that no one is dumb enough to have a dozen programs running when the upload the patch.

[unruhly]

I just don't understand the mentality of releasing a game and expecting a community to help perfect it. What's so difficult to understand about it? It works, the publishers can do this crap over and over (and they have been doing so for quite some time already), and it still works, no one really complains, everyone just marches into the next shop and buys the bug ridden games.

I would say it doesn't work. The PC is still a superior platform over any console on the market today although they are almost matched now. This is evidenced by the current pricing of the consoles. They're close to the same price as a vanilla PC and the internals are now almost identical. Hmm, what does that tell you? Now with that in mind... What is the ratio of PC games to console games? A vastly superior platform with fewer and fewer available games for it? That tells me people are NOT going out and buying the next bug ridden games for PC. They're going for the console games 'cause they work with only very minor bugs, if any at all, when they're released and don't require 20 hours or more of foolin' around with it before it's usable.

[Spaxspore]

The post is still there - I am looking at it right now.

Windows will require additional free hard drive space for its operating system
(virtual memory). If you encounter the following message in an error dialog:
"Ran out of virtual memory", free up some more hard drive space.

To install Silent Hunter 4 - Wolves of the Pacific - Patch V 1.1 you will need approximately 200 MB free hard disk space for the full patch.

BTW, I am guessing that all of that junk is just alerting you to the fact that the patch will expand to eat up VIRTUAL MEMORY - not HD space.

It is odd that it would be mentioned as you need at least a Gig to run this thing in the first place and I'm pretty sure that no one is dumb enough to have a dozen programs running when the upload the patch.


HD space IS virtual memory

"In NT-based versions of Windows (such as Windows 2000 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_2000) and Windows XP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_XP)), the swap file is named pagefile.sys. The default location of the page file is in the root directory of the partition where Windows is installed. Windows can be configured to use free space on any available drives for page files IE Virtual Memory."

[Fat Bhoy Tim]

I'm not even a casual gamer anymore cause of this.
I'm an IT manager that plugs away on this crap all day long. I want/need a game where I can get away from having to mod, patch, mess with resolution settings, AA, driver incompatibilites, downloading multiple patches, etc. I don't want to have to do that after a day on the job!


With you on that. I only got GWX as I was off work, using a few days of leave and thus decided to take the time to dick around with it. otherwise I couldn't be arsed.

[tedhealy]

The post is still there - I am looking at it right now.

Windows will require additional free hard drive space for its operating system
(virtual memory). If you encounter the following message in an error dialog:
"Ran out of virtual memory", free up some more hard drive space.

To install Silent Hunter 4 - Wolves of the Pacific - Patch V 1.1 you will need approximately 200 MB free hard disk space for the full patch.

BTW, I am guessing that all of that junk is just alerting you to the fact that the patch will expand to eat up VIRTUAL MEMORY - not HD space.

It is odd that it would be mentioned as you need at least a Gig to run this thing in the first place and I'm pretty sure that no one is dumb enough to have a dozen programs running when the upload the patch.

HD space IS virtual memory

"In NT-based versions of Windows (such as Windows 2000 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_2000) and Windows XP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_XP)), the swap file is named pagefile.sys. The default location of the page file is in the root directory of the partition where Windows is installed. Windows can be configured to use free space on any available drives for page files IE Virtual Memory."

Not exactly. Hd space can be used as virtual memory, but it is not virtual memory.

I'm guessing the 200 MB is needed because it mentions sound files and end game movies and other such things that will be large.

[DaMaGe007]

What they are saying is the game is a ram hog and if you installed the game you may have little room left on your drive for the pagefile to expand or you have a static setting on your page file you need to increase.

This is more of a problem for people with lower ram ammounts

[Schlageter-JG26]

Oh thank you, Jeebus!

Quick response. Keep 'em comin'... GOOD GOOD GOOD!

[Barkhorn1x]

Not exactly. Hd space can be used as virtual memory, but it is not virtual memory.

I'm guessing the 200 MB is needed because it mentions sound files and end game movies and other such things that will be large.

What Ted said! ;)

Look, I am no technical genius but I do seem to recall issues w/ certain files in the past where my VM couldn't handle the load. Of course I had a 486 at that time w/ about 64MB of VM.

[flintlock]

I just bought EU3, great game. Good game indeed.

*On the SH4 1.1 patch: that's definitely a good start.

[Aimbot]

NEW FEATURES


1. Added the S-42 class to the game,


2. Added more abjectives in campaign.


1. Ooh! If they keep adding new content through patches like IL:2 I doubt there will be two dissenters on this entire board.

2. Aparently fleet command will now insult you if you perform poorly. Be more agressive!

[Hans Schultz]

While i am glad that UBI is going to release the 1.1 patch, the contents of the patch are things that should have been included in R1. I feel sick for paying $49.99 plus tax to beta test a game for UBI. I pay that the genius and hardwork of the GWX team, produces something for SH4, i think it is our only hope. :damn: x 11ty million

[Spaxspore]

Not exactly. Hd space can be used as virtual memory, but it is not virtual memory.

I'm guessing the 200 MB is needed because it mentions sound files and end game movies and other such things that will be large.
What Ted said! ;)

Look, I am no technical genius but I do seem to recall issues w/ certain files in the past where my VM couldn't handle the load. Of course I had a 486 at that time w/ about 64MB of VM.
ok maybe i wasnt clear, virtual memory is a fancy word that really indicates a file known as a page file in windows NT/XP. It can be set to a certain amount in system properties, but since it is a file and its on the hard drive, it does take up space....


http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/543/virtuallm4.png (http://imageshack.us)

need i say more???

[Paajtor]

It worries me that the "Target speed measuring" clock in manual TDC is NOT on the bugfix list. Patch info has been removed on the UK site, reason "not confirmed yet".

Update: updated patch list at the official SH4 forum here: http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/6421019045/m/8821092345
So this is what was appearantly removed from the patch list...:

BUG FIXES
Menus tuning
Removed the AI bugs from the game.
End of War bug fixed.
Removed bugs regarding save/load/replay.
Removed Multiplayer connections bugs.
Fixed randomly crashes during the game play, save and load.

[Barkhorn1x]

I get ya!

[John Channing]

I just don't understand the mentality of releasing a game and expecting a community to help perfect it. What's so difficult to understand about it? It works, the publishers can do this crap over and over (and they have been doing so for quite some time already), and it still works, no one really complains, everyone just marches into the next shop and buys the bug ridden games.


No, people do complain..

But the morons call those who are complaining, "whiners". So, the people complaining get fed up and leave. The community gets smaller, the market for the product shrinks, and less games from that genre are released. Then, the ones who called the complainers "whiners", in fact become the complainers.

It's a vicious circle of nonsense.

Well then, speaking as one of the "morons" I would like to remind you of Subsim's policy on personal attacks.

I doubt Neal, the owner of this site, who spends his own time and money to keep this place running so that you can post here would appreciate you refering to him as a moron as well.

And as far as your simplistic portrayal of the software development business (let me repeat that... BUSINESS) I can tell you that you are wrong.

Shipping deadlines are set through a consultative process between the developers, sales and finance. Once the developers have committed to a finish date Media duplication factories all over the world are booked, printers all over the world are booked (who in turn order adequate supplies to fit the requirements), shipping companies are contracted, retail alerts are sent out, shelf space in retail stores is booked and paid for (it's called an RDA... Retail Display Allowance) promotion is booked and about a million other things happen.

The problems arise when a last minute glitch surfaces with the software that was not allowed for, or if the developers were wrong about their finished date. If you try to cancel or move all of the arrangements that have been made you will end up paying substantial penalties with absolutely nothing to show for it. Instead it makes much more sense to ship the product to meet the hundreds of deadlines that are set up like dominoes, but keep the develpopers working to get the product to the state that they thought it would be in by the original finish date.

Sorry but that is the way business works.

Do you really think that GM shuts down an assembly line when a problem shows up mid run? Of course they don't. They finish the run and fix it at the Dealer level (or try to hide/ignore it and hope that they get away with it.) Google the term "Product recall". You will get over 20,000,000 returns.

That's the real world. If you don't like it, I guess you can always get off.

JCC
Subsim moron

[tedhealy]

Not exactly. Hd space can be used as virtual memory, but it is not virtual memory.

I'm guessing the 200 MB is needed because it mentions sound files and end game movies and other such things that will be large.
What Ted said! ;)

Look, I am no technical genius but I do seem to recall issues w/ certain files in the past where my VM couldn't handle the load. Of course I had a 486 at that time w/ about 64MB of VM.
ok maybe i wasnt clear, virtual memory is a fancy word that really indicates a file known as a page file in windows NT/XP. It can be set to a certain amount in system properties, but since it is a file and its on the hard drive, it does take up space....


http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/543/virtuallm4.png (http://imageshack.us)

need i say more???

Yes, very true. But saying "HD space is virtual memory" is not right. HD space *can be used* as virtual memory is more accurate.

Anyways back to the topic, this sounds like the sort of thing they should have just delayed the game another week or 2 to get on the game in the first place. Pressure to sell and all that though. Oh well, looking forward to the patch.

[Mikkow]

Don't despair about bugfixes. The list doesn't even MENTION bugfixes, only changes/added content. I'm sure there's an enormous bugfix included. It's also possible it's been pulled from the site as they want to work a bit longer on it after everyone's bug reports on the forums.

I'm sure they won't squash all bugs, but many should be fixed.

[Aimbot]

Good news. But one wonders what the casual gamer who normally doesn't hang around bubblehead forums will do when he buys the game and doesn't know there's a patch available? I don't guess there's any way these people can be contacted and informed of these fixes...? Reminds me of the olden days when I had AOD and didn't know anything about a "community".
Most games have an "update" option on the window that pops up when the cd is inserted. I can't remember the last game I played that didn't.

[geetrue]

While i am glad that UBI is going to release the 1.1 patch, the contents of the patch are things that should have been included in R1. I feel sick for paying $49.99 plus tax to beta test a game for UBI. I pay that the genius and hardwork of the GWX team, produces something for SH4, i think it is our only hope. :damn: x 11ty million

I don't really know, but I think Ubi and the developers of SH4 are two different enities ... with one contract to develop the sub sim and in that contract were performance dates ... that date has come and gone.

The developers have turned the game over to Ubi when it went gold and Ubi released the game the way it was.

I do not speak for the producers or for the developers, but I betcha another contract has now been drawn up to patch the game.

This will work to everyone's good. People have to get paid, the retail outlets take a chance and buy wholesale, making a profit if it sells well. By the time main stream gamers that never even heard of subsim.com get hold of the game ... the patch will be ready and that will make it playable, plus worth the purchase price.

If the developers were to get a piece of the action (a percentage) then I bet games would improve ... that my thoughts on the subject.:know:

[NefariousKoel]

It sounds to me as if some people have probably been complaining about jerkiness and are only using 512MB of RAM, possibly even 1GB.

Due to the new movies and camera action coming in the next patch, it seems they're probably expecting 1GB RAM to not even cut it, so they're warning us.

Hell, with GWX, 1GB of RAM wasn't near enough. I had to upgrade to 2GB to stop using so much virtual memory. Same thing here with SHIV.

[John Channing]

While i am glad that UBI is going to release the 1.1 patch, the contents of the patch are things that should have been included in R1. I feel sick for paying $49.99 plus tax to beta test a game for UBI. I pay that the genius and hardwork of the GWX team, produces something for SH4, i think it is our only hope. :damn: x 11ty million

I don't really know, but I think Ubi and the developers of SH4 are two different enities ... with one contract to develop the sub sim and in that contract were performance dates ... that date has come and gone.

The developers have turned the game over to Ubi when it went gold and Ubi released the game the way it was.

I do not speak for the producers or for the developers, but I betcha another contract has now been drawn up to patch the game.

This will work to everyone's good. People have to get paid, the retail outlets take a chance and buy wholesale, making a profit if it sells well. By the time main stream gamers that never even heard of subsim.com get hold of the game ... the patch will be ready and that will make it playable, plus worth the purchase price.

If the developers were to get a piece of the action (a percentage) then I bet games would improve ... that my thoughts on the subject.:know:

Dan and his team are employees of Ubisoft and make up the Ubisoft Romania Studio.

Usually, in matters like this, 2-3 patches are allowed for in the budget over a specified period of time.

JCC

[Ark]

I just don't understand the mentality of releasing a game and expecting a community to help perfect it. What's so difficult to understand about it? It works, the publishers can do this crap over and over (and they have been doing so for quite some time already), and it still works, no one really complains, everyone just marches into the next shop and buys the bug ridden games.


No, people do complain..

But the morons call those who are complaining, "whiners". So, the people complaining get fed up and leave. The community gets smaller, the market for the product shrinks, and less games from that genre are released. Then, the ones who called the complainers "whiners", in fact become the complainers.

It's a vicious circle of nonsense.

Well then, speaking as one of the "morons" I would like to remind you of Subsim's policy on personal attacks.

I doubt Neal, the owner of this site, who spends his own time and money to keep this place running so that you can post here would appreciate you refering to him as a moron as well.

And as far as your simplistic portrayal of the software development business (let me repeat that... BUSINESS) I can tell you that you are wrong.

Shipping deadlines are set through a consultative process between the developers, sales and finance. Once the developers have committed to a finish date Media duplication factories all over the world are booked, printers all over the world are booked (who in turn order adequate supplies to fit the requirements), shipping companies are contracted, retail alerts are sent out, shelf space in retail stores is booked and paid for (it's called an RDA... Retail Display Allowance) promotion is booked and about a million other things happen.

The problems arise when a last minute glitch surfaces with the software that was not allowed for, or if the developers were wrong about their finished date. If you try to cancel or move all of the arrangements that have been made you will end up paying substantial penalties with absolutely nothing to show for it. Instead it makes much more sense to ship the product to meet the hundreds of deadlines that are set up like dominoes, but keep the develpopers working to get the product to the state that they thought it would be in by the original finish date.

Sorry but that is the way business works.

Do you really think that GM shuts down an assembly line when a problem shows up mid run? Of course they don't. They finish the run and fix it at the Dealer level (or try to hide/ignore it and hope that they get away with it.) Google the term "Product recall". You will get over 20,000,000 returns.

That's the real world. If you don't like it, I guess you can always get off.

JCC
Subsim moron

*EDIT* For clarity..

You take things to personally, John. There's a difference between people complaining, and whining. People have a right to complain about valid issues and things missing from a product they paid for and/or were mislead about. That is how business works. There are aspects of the game that Neal has complained about...is he a "whiner"? No, because again, there is a difference between a valid complaint and a whine. How each person discerns either is dependent on the individual.

People call those of us complaining, "whiners", when in all actuality, it is those of us complaning who want the best for our games. It is better to complain about a product that is half-arsed then too just sit back and accept shoddy software.

IMO, people who don't voice their opinions about products and hold developers and publishers accountable for their mistakes are just bad for the community and do nothing to aid in future development.


P.S> My original post was meant more as tongue in cheek then anything that should be taken personally or serious. My apologies to thsoe who thought I was trying to be personal.

[Father]

As nice as it is to see a patch in the make addressing gameplay, the game looks so terrible that I won't even be getting to the gameplay.

I want AA, a res higher then 1024 and vsync and to be able to get rid of that blurryness.

Asking for a lot, in this day and age I don't think so.

[partyboy]

A lot of games these days are rushed out the door before they're done, filled with bugs. And most stay that way. Perhaps if you're lucky a patch will come out 3 months down the line that fixes a small fraction of the problems before the developers then move on to the next game. Say what you want about releasing unfinished product, or people paying to be beta testers, believe me, I have my own issues with that concept and have railed against it many a time, but it pleases me a great deal to see a patch coming so soon after release. Maybe I'm naive, but it seems these devs do care a lot about their product and are trying their best to stay on top of the issues.

What's also sad is that a lot of people will see a patch coming out so soon, and of that size (~160mb, is it?) as a sign to avoid the game.

[Hans Schultz]

As nice as it is to see a patch in the make addressing gameplay, the game looks so terrible that I won't even be getting to the gameplay.

I want AA, a res higher then 1024 and vsync and to be able to get rid of that blurryness.

Asking for a lot, in this day and age I don't think so.

well the resolution does go higher than 1024.

[stabiz]

SO BUY THE GAME!! patch already came out before the game was even in stores !! :huh:
GET THE GAME OTHERWISE ILL SPAM UR PM BOX!!:up: :arrgh!:









* seriously though get the game or ur pm box will be full of ubi sh4 propaganda bu the game pamplets:up:

How come moderators dont strike down on spam like this? its just as annoying as "SH4 sux" IMO.

[Spaxspore]

Not exactly. Hd space can be used as virtual memory, but it is not virtual memory.

I'm guessing the 200 MB is needed because it mentions sound files and end game movies and other such things that will be large.
What Ted said! ;)

Look, I am no technical genius but I do seem to recall issues w/ certain files in the past where my VM couldn't handle the load. Of course I had a 486 at that time w/ about 64MB of VM.
ok maybe i wasnt clear, virtual memory is a fancy word that really indicates a file known as a page file in windows NT/XP. It can be set to a certain amount in system properties, but since it is a file and its on the hard drive, it does take up space....


http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/543/virtuallm4.png (http://imageshack.us)

need i say more???
Yes, very true. But saying "HD space is virtual memory" is not right. HD space *can be used* as virtual memory is more accurate.

.


Ah a MIS Q,

Yes hd is NOT virtual memory, however virtual memory ammount can be assigned from avaible hard drive space.

[Linavitch]

I have just one question: Is the patch gonna make my ce pen work?

[Gammel]

SO BUY THE GAME!! patch already came out before the game was even in stores !! :huh:
GET THE GAME OTHERWISE ILL SPAM UR PM BOX!!:up: :arrgh!:









* seriously though get the game or ur pm box will be full of ubi sh4 propaganda bu the game pamplets:up:

How come moderators dont strike down on spam like this? its just as annoying as "SH4 sux" IMO.
so he dit that for real? :rotfl:

[Sheppard]

I'm annoyed by all the missing features, that were in SH3, but aren't in SH4; like being able to click on crew members to bring up order lists; like "range to nearest visual target", or clicking my way to the bridge and then clicking on the TBT/UZO to bring it up.

Quite frankly, the game release should have been delayed by several months, so that our 1 to 3 patches in the Ubisoft contract actually are spent adding features and squashing annoying bugs, not being spent to add functionality that should have been in from day 1; like a working stadimeter, or crewmembers you can order around like in SH3.

[geetrue]

While i am glad that UBI is going to release the 1.1 patch, the contents of the patch are things that should have been included in R1. I feel sick for paying $49.99 plus tax to beta test a game for UBI. I pay that the genius and hardwork of the GWX team, produces something for SH4, i think it is our only hope. :damn: x 11ty million

I don't really know, but I think Ubi and the developers of SH4 are two different enities ... with one contract to develop the sub sim and in that contract were performance dates ... that date has come and gone.


Dan and his team are employees of Ubisoft and make up the Ubisoft Romania Studio.

Usually, in matters like this, 2-3 patches are allowed for in the budget over a specified period of time.

JCC

Oh! Well that proves I didn't know ... :dead:

[NefariousKoel]

.. like a working stadimeter, or crewmembers you can order around like in SH3.

You! Get over here and fix this godd@mn pen sailor!

[elite_hunter_sh3]

yea i did that for real it aint spam its called supporting the devs so they actually have the money to keep updating it, if the game doesnt sell and they dont make money wuts the point of patching it and wasting more time money and resources on it????

[Iron Budokan]

Good news. But one wonders what the casual gamer who normally doesn't hang around bubblehead forums will do when he buys the game and doesn't know there's a patch available? I don't guess there's any way these people can be contacted and informed of these fixes...? Reminds me of the olden days when I had AOD and didn't know anything about a "community".
Most games have an "update" option on the window that pops up when the cd is inserted. I can't remember the last game I played that didn't.

Ah, thank you, that was helpful to know! :D

[AJ!]

lol! i thought this thread was a joke at first.... :rotfl:

Well we can saftly say SH4 was alittle off key on release... but at least they have a patch in the works.

Is there any word on a fix for this resolution problem?

[Lawndart]

We all already knew this, on the UK home page the developers also posted a message saying something like "We really hope you like it, we will continue to support it, etc." weeks before release

[Gammel]

SO BUY THE GAME!! patch already came out before the game was even in stores !! :huh:
GET THE GAME OTHERWISE ILL SPAM UR PM BOX!!:up: :arrgh!:









* seriously though get the game or ur pm box will be full of ubi sh4 propaganda bu the game pamplets:up:

How come moderators dont strike down on spam like this? its just as annoying as "SH4 sux" IMO.
so he dit that for real? :rotfl:
it was you who called it spamming :D

[Ostfriese]

.. like a working stadimeter, or crewmembers you can order around like in SH3.
You! Get over here and fix this godd@mn pen sailor! Actually, those pen sailors have quite some advantages. You can easily stack your whole enlisted crew in 4 bunks (even less if you call for hot bunking). This means: more supplies, more torpedoes on board. They should also be able to climb into the darkest parts of your sub with ease. Look at those Germans in 'Das Boot', trying to repair damages while lying at the bottom of gibraltar strait. How much easier would those repairs have been with pen soldiers. :doh:

I want more pen soldiers! And I want a cookie! :D;)

[Father]

As nice as it is to see a patch in the make addressing gameplay, the game looks so terrible that I won't even be getting to the gameplay.

I want AA, a res higher then 1024 and vsync and to be able to get rid of that blurryness.

Asking for a lot, in this day and age I don't think so.
well the resolution does go higher than 1024.

Yes the menu resolution does and that's it, the game graphics themselves get worser the higher res you go, I run 1920x1200 and it looks more jaggy at that res then at 1024, the graphics just seem to inflate like zooming in on a photograph and it gets more pixelated.

Looks so horrible that I can't even be bothered playing.

[jeff lackey]

What is really sad and shortsighted: people reviewing this for the major magazines (and some outlets, like Gamespot) will be required to review the "out of the box" version. So, for example, my review for Games for Windows (previously known as Computer Gaming World) will have to be of the 1.0 version, with all of the issues that come with that version. If they were able to patch this thing within a week, they would have been SO much better off holding off for a week and releasing the updated version. The reviews/review scores would surely be a lot better. Ugh.

[Nightmare]

What is really sad and shortsighted: people reviewing this for the major magazines (and some outlets, like Gamespot) will be required to review the "out of the box" version. So, for example, my review for Games for Windows (previously known as Computer Gaming World) will have to be of the 1.0 version, with all of the issues that come with that version. If they were able to patch this thing within a week, they would have been SO much better off holding off for a week and releasing the updated version. The reviews/review scores would surely be a lot better. Ugh.

That is exactly what I was afraid of hearing. :cry:

[Immacolata]

What is really sad and shortsighted: people reviewing this for the major magazines (and some outlets, like Gamespot) will be required to review the "out of the box" version. So, for example, my review for Games for Windows (previously known as Computer Gaming World) will have to be of the 1.0 version, with all of the issues that come with that version. If they were able to patch this thing within a week, they would have been SO much better off holding off for a week and releasing the updated version. The reviews/review scores would surely be a lot better. Ugh.

Well you could get off your high horses and review the version available with patches if they are there, pardon me for being so frank on the matter. This is maybe more aimed at the editors than the reviewers who just follow order. You're not doing the readers any service by ignoring the patches, on the contrary. If there is a patch, install it and review the game with it. This "out of the box" policy stands so much against the reality of how pc games releases have been for over a decade. You know it, the readers know it. Hats off to the editor that recognizes this and do their reviews to match reality.


The real issue here is that game reviewers have limited time to play a game and base their score on that time frame. So the producers makes the game able to "pass inspection" in the gaming rags/sites. Which is why games like the Total War series keeps getting high scores, in spite of them being buggy and more of a show than a good strategy game.

[jeff lackey]

Well, there's a good reason most magazines review the out-of-the-box versions: that's what people are getting when they buy the product. Also, at least one editor told me a few years ago that he didn't want to encourage publishers to push things out the door unfinished, knowing they could still get a better review with a patch (I've had publisher PR folks send me a patch and tell me to not review the version in the box, but only the patched version - they then got very POed when I told them I was reviewing what my neighbor would get if he bought the game at Best Buy.)

I try to throw in a comment about a patch being available if it's out when the review is written, but the score and review still has to reflect the version shipped for review/retail shelves. Which is why it is really not good business to push a product out the door a week earlier (or even a couple of weeks, or even 4 weeks) if you could have significant bug fixes, etc. if you wait. Certainly not for a single week.

Immaculata - nothing to do with "high horses". The version they sent for review is the version we review. How long do you wait? Do I wait for a couple of weeks when I get a copy for review, hoping there might be a patch? Do I tell the editor to wait for two more weeks when a patch comes out so I can run that through the paces? There will be another patch after this one - do you wait for it? This patch isn't even out yet.

If the publsiher ships copies for review, and if they ship these to the shelves for people to purchase, that's what gets reviewed. It's up to the publishers to decide what they want to push out the door.

[stabiz]

yea i did that for real it aint spam its called supporting the devs so they actually have the money to keep updating it, if the game doesnt sell and they dont make money wuts the point of patching it and wasting more time money and resources on it????

You dont have a widescreen I gather? Anyway, I would be very surprised if the doubters were convinced by your post.

I dont like whats going on in here. If anyone is less than impressed by the graphics, people jump on the person calling him a child, whiner, not having perspective, gameplay is more important, etc, but if someone says something positive about a screeny, the same peeps agree and drools along.

Also, if someone writes something like "SH4 is awesome!", the mods call it "a great post".

My SH4 is in the mail, but the fanboyism is getting out of hand in here.

[nattydread]

I hope miles means nautical miles...there is a difference and it aids in time, distance, speed calcualtions considering we use knots for speed, not mph.

[donut]

Or is he just ASSUMED?:oops:

[rascal101]

Does any one actaully have an ETA for the patch.

I can heartily reccommend STALKER for those who want to try something different while they wait for the SH4 patch. I'm not employed by the makers of Stalker, just very pleasantly surprised by a very interesting new game.

Patiently awaiting the release of the SH Patch, hopefully some one will have worked out how to wipe the vaseline off my glasses, the new SH4 blurr is so wierd!

Or is he just ASSUMED?:oops:

[gmohr]

AThis is why the console has taken over gaming! You've for the most part got one chance at getting it right when the game is released. Period!

So true. So totally true. The day they get the ability to hotfix console apps is the day their quality tanks also... and that day is basically here.

[CCIP]

Okay, all the changes I consider the devs to have owed us anyway and nothing to gawk over, but the added S-class variant I consider a nice makeup gift! :p

Great work! I'm sure if this is released in a couple of days rather than weeks, it's a sign that 1) it was not the devs fault for the problems in release, but the publication schedule's; 2) it is a sign of good things to come as far as support.

:up:

[GT182]

Patch1.1 = 2 weeks. LOL Just a standing joke at the IL2 Forums. It could come sooner or later depending on how much the sim is badmouthed. And yes, they watch all forums concerning SH4 to see how the public feels about it, just as they did with SHIII.

As for the comments on "Joe Lunchbox (or Sally Housecoat) buys this game, tries to play it and gets turned off from sub sims forever because of the unfinished feel. Kind of a bummer."

If you feel as Immacolata says... "To be honest. Do you care about the Lunchboxes? or the Housecoats? No? I thought so. Nor do I. Thats just putting up an argument for arguments sake isnt it?"

Remember this... you were at one time in the same shoes as 'Joe Lunchbox (or Sally Housecoat). There was a first time you too played on a computer, and was greener then than the grass it's self. Have the same consideration for those players, as those before you had for you and gave you the help you needed. Now you can pay it forward and help those that haven't a clue. It makes me sick to read comments like that. Not everyone is forunate enough to know Sub Sim is here with help to give.

[Iron Budokan]

Well, there's a good reason most magazines review the out-of-the-box versions: that's what people are getting when they buy the product.


Egg-sactly! You just gotta love the argument I've heard all day: "Don't review the stock version, review the game with the load of patches that fix the orginal bugs and functionality and therefore make it a more enjoyable gaming experience. Anything less is not fair to the game itself!"

Kee-effing-rist, give us a break with that nonsense. Does Consumer Reports wait for the "fix" before they report the P.O.S. vacuum cleaner that rips up your carpet? I suppose we're supposed to overlook the functionality of a toaster that ignites into a fire bomb. It's all good just wait for the "patch" and ignore those third degree burns, look how well it toasts your bagel now? It is to laugh. It's this kind of sheep-like acceptance of shoddy goods and services that makes manufacturers continue to turn out over-priced garbage.

SH3 was buggy out of the box. From all reports SH4 is buggy out of the box. That's the reality. That's what should be reviewed, not the "sweetened" fixes, but the original game as released.

[Iron Budokan]

Patch1.1 = 2 weeks. LOL Just a standing joke at the IL2 Forums. It could come sooner or later depending on how much the sim is badmouthed. And yes, they watch all forums concerning SH4 to see how the public feels about it, just as they did with SHIII.

As for the comments on "Joe Lunchbox (or Sally Housecoat) buys this game, tries to play it and gets turned off from sub sims forever because of the unfinished feel. Kind of a bummer."

If you feel as Immacolata says... "To be honest. Do you care about the Lunchboxes? or the Housecoats? No? I thought so. Nor do I. Thats just putting up an argument for arguments sake isnt it?"

Remember this... you were at one time in the same shoes as 'Joe Lunchbox (or Sally Housecoat). There was a first time you too played on a computer, and was greener then than the grass it's self. Have the same consideration for those players, as those before you had for you and gave you the help you needed. Now you can pay it forward and help those that haven't a clue. It makes me sick to read comments like that. Not everyone is forunate enough to know Sub Sim is here with help to give.

I was shocked to see that someone didn't give a rat's *ss about new players, but I guess it takes all kinds.

I was a new player, once. Like I said in an earlier post I didn't even know a commuunity existed when I got AOD! And, yes, I was a "Lunchbox" when I first bought Silent Service II. I suppose it's for the better I didn't know of a community back then, either, just to have someone say, "I don't care about YOU, new player." :down:

[NefariousKoel]

I have to agree with the resolution issue. It needs to be addressed.

My native res on my LCD is 1280x1024 and it looks very bad. I changed it to 1024x768 to see if there was a difference and there wasn't. My monitor stretched the 3d like it does normally from a lower resolution.

The DirectX resolution fix for SH3 did much better than the current setup they're using. I hope they take note.

[John Channing]

Well, there's a good reason most magazines review the out-of-the-box versions: that's what people are getting when they buy the product. Also, at least one editor told me a few years ago that he didn't want to encourage publishers to push things out the door unfinished, knowing they could still get a better review with a patch (I've had publisher PR folks send me a patch and tell me to not review the version in the box, but only the patched version - they then got very POed when I told them I was reviewing what my neighbor would get if he bought the game at Best Buy.)

I try to throw in a comment about a patch being available if it's out when the review is written, but the score and review still has to reflect the version shipped for review/retail shelves. Which is why it is really not good business to push a product out the door a week earlier (or even a couple of weeks, or even 4 weeks) if you could have significant bug fixes, etc. if you wait. Certainly not for a single week.

Immaculata - nothing to do with "high horses". The version they sent for review is the version we review. How long do you wait? Do I wait for a couple of weeks when I get a copy for review, hoping there might be a patch? Do I tell the editor to wait for two more weeks when a patch comes out so I can run that through the paces? There will be another patch after this one - do you wait for it? This patch isn't even out yet.

If the publsiher ships copies for review, and if they ship these to the shelves for people to purchase, that's what gets reviewed. It's up to the publishers to decide what they want to push out the door.

Not for nuthin' Jeff, but it strikes me that there is a certain amount of irony at play here.

Most sub-simmers, at least the bleeding-edge, early adaptors, are also internet savy and experienced in the release-then-patch process and so will be able to avail themselves of any patches. Failing that I seem to recall that on SH3 there was some kind of auto-update feature.

Now without doubt your review will mention that the game was rushed out the door before it was ready, and, I guess, rightfully so.

However... with the first patch imminent, and the knowledge that it will fix a lot of the issues that are causing concern, isn't there an elemnet of rushing your review out the door?

Almost certainly the second pressing will be 1.1 or higher and that is the one that the late adaptors and casual gamers will be buying, so your review, based on a product that we know isn't the one they will be able to buy, might be seen as misleading and unfair?

I just askin'.

JCC

[difool2]

What is really sad and shortsighted: people reviewing this for the major magazines (and some outlets, like Gamespot) will be required to review the "out of the box" version. So, for example, my review for Games for Windows (previously known as Computer Gaming World) will have to be of the 1.0 version, with all of the issues that come with that version. If they were able to patch this thing within a week, they would have been SO much better off holding off for a week and releasing the updated version. The reviews/review scores would surely be a lot better. Ugh.

My experience with such magazines (PC Gamer included) is that they will often overrate
the games they review. YMMV.

[Shigawire]

Hooray to Romanian UBIsoft!

They knew the Gold release was thoroughly flawed and didn't rest on their laurels as so many others do. Praiseworthy indeed. :ping:

[NightCrawler-SimHQ]

My experience with such magazines (PC Gamer included) is that they will often overrate the games they review. YMMV.
I know Ubisoft is shaking in their pants right now! :rotfl: How are we going to make everyone happy NOW! :roll:

[gnirtS]

Magazines survive off advertising revenue. The people advertising are the same software and hardware suppliers they review. As a result they're more than prone to give artificially high ratings.

[DJSatane]

I am waiting for the patch before I play any more. I am glad to see it, now I am aware based on reading both official site forums and this forum that this list is not final. I hope these 2 things are fixed:

- chronometer not working
- crashes to desktop when using stadimeter

[BBury]

What I hate is having to pay money to be a beta tester, again! When was the last time you bought a game that didn't need a patch right away? What's up with this? I feel like such a sucker, again.

I guess game developers can't trust thier beta testers not to leak the game so they let the community do it for them.

[nvdrifter]

Added a "death camera"

Very nice. :D

[Snowman999]

If the publsiher ships copies for review, and if they ship these to the shelves for people to purchase, that's what gets reviewed. It's up to the publishers to decide what they want to push out the door.


Jeff, just wanted to say I appreciate your reviews in that new-named rag. Been a CGW subscriber since the mid-80s, and of Computer Games for about five years. CGW has always prided themselves on only reviewing finished, shhipped games in the state the customer recieves them at the register. In the past year I can recall one (1) follow-up review after a major patch, and it was very short (1/4 page maybe.) Don't recall the title. I have seen, as you say you'll do, many reviews mention that a patch is promised, but what else can you say?

Others here have made valid business arguments that a launch is a complex animal--and it is, I've done them in packaged goods--but there is a trade-off in looking inside the firm for good logistics and revenue behaviors at the expense of product quality. To expect consumer demand to be equivalent with a broken game versus a finished game is to misunderstand basic microeconomics.

The trick, it seems to me, the sweet spot, is to post-pone those logistic and marketing decisions late enough in the cycle that product quality is a bit more of a sure thing than we're seeing here. It's hard. But there are trade-offs either way. As the saying goes you can pay me now, with penalty charges to pressing plants and shippers, etc., or you can pay me later, with lost demand as word-of-mouth spreads that the game is unfinished. Either way no free lunch.

Keep doing reviews as you do and I'll keep buying the mag.

[Snowman999]

Magazines survive off advertising revenue. The people advertising are the same software and hardware suppliers they review. As a result they're more than prone to give artificially high ratings.

That has not been my experience with the magazine Jeff writes for. They have been around more than 25 years, far longer than most (any, now?) of the publishers and developers they review. And, with "Windows" in their title now, I think they have some fairly deep-pocketed advertisers available.

[Takao]

Can't say I didn't see this one coming. Very few games that ubisoft puts out run reasonably well right from the box. I half expected a patch in the SH IV website download area before the game was released. Yes, bugs are to be expected. But, not to the degree that I have seen come from Ubi's games...

Would it have been too much to delay the game's release, say 3-6 months and present a well polished fine-tuned game. Or is it better to release the game to bad reviews and irritated players, then grab the bailing wire, duct-tape, and chewing gum and go to work.

I mean 200MB, that's not a patch, that's a chunk of the game that was missing...
I pity the poor slobs that buy this game and still have dial-up.


Ahh hell, I'm still pissed my copy hasn't arrived yet

[Boris]

I can't believe some people were expecting a perfect product from the get go. With the tight development cycle that the devs had to work with, bugs and unfinished content are to be expected.
SH3 was exactly the same. Even though they agreed to spend more time on the development implementing new features, there were many unfinished bits that never saw action in any patch.
In that respect they have already done better than with SH3. Some of you are acting shocked at the fact that SH4 release is buggy, when you should have seen it coming.

I also can't believe some people choose to see the release of a patch negatively. This kind of whining is completely unconstructive, as it won't change anything. The game has been released and we have to live with that, complaining that the release was buggy won't make it any better. What's done is done. The patch will make it better and that is a good thing.

That said, I'm not complaing about complainers in general. Whines and complaints are great when they highlight the bugs that we want to see fixed, as many have already done. The devs have already started fixing things, so let's see this positively.

[Ark]

I can't believe some people were expecting a perfect product from the get go. With the tight development cycle that the devs had to work with, bugs and unfinished content are to be expected.
SH3 was exactly the same. Even though they agreed to spend more time on the development implementing new features, there were many unfinished bits that never saw action in any patch.
In that respect they have already done better than with SH3. Some of you are acting shocked at the fact that SH4 release is buggy, when you should have seen it coming.

I also can't believe some people choose to see the release of a patch negatively. This kind of whining is completely unconstructive, as it won't change anything. The game has been released and we have to live with that, complaining that the release was buggy won't make it any better. What's done is done. The patch will make it better and that is a good thing.

That said, I'm not complaing about complainers in general. Whines and complaints are great when they highlight the bugs that we want to see fixed, as many have already done. The devs have started fixing things, so let's see this positively.

I can toast to that. :up:

[Fercyful]

As nice as it is to see a patch in the make addressing gameplay, the game looks so terrible that I won't even be getting to the gameplay.

I want AA, a res higher then 1024 and vsync and to be able to get rid of that blurryness.

Asking for a lot, in this day and age I don't think so.

Father you can have VSYNC ON !! just check my post :

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=108134

hope it helps...

:arrgh!:

[Ark]

As nice as it is to see a patch in the make addressing gameplay, the game looks so terrible that I won't even be getting to the gameplay.

I want AA, a res higher then 1024 and vsync and to be able to get rid of that blurryness.

Asking for a lot, in this day and age I don't think so.

Father you can have VSYNC ON !! just check my post :

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=108134

hope it helps...

:arrgh!:

That worked for me, Fercyful.

Thanks! :arrgh!:

[Potoroo]

Almost certainly the second pressing will be 1.1 or higher
That didn't happen with SH3 so why assume it will happen with SH4? The SH3 retail copies around today are still 1.0.

[Lannes]

What is really sad and shortsighted: people reviewing this for the major magazines (and some outlets, like Gamespot) will be required to review the "out of the box" version. So, for example, my review for Games for Windows (previously known as Computer Gaming World) will have to be of the 1.0 version, with all of the issues that come with that version. If they were able to patch this thing within a week, they would have been SO much better off holding off for a week and releasing the updated version. The reviews/review scores would surely be a lot better. Ugh.

My experience with such magazines (PC Gamer included) is that they will often overrate
the games they review. YMMV.

PC Gamer, definitely (Doom 3 review anyone?)....CGW (Games For Windows) not so much.

[Father]

As nice as it is to see a patch in the make addressing gameplay, the game looks so terrible that I won't even be getting to the gameplay.

I want AA, a res higher then 1024 and vsync and to be able to get rid of that blurryness.

Asking for a lot, in this day and age I don't think so.
Father you can have VSYNC ON !! just check my post :

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=108134

hope it helps...

:arrgh!:


Yeah thanks that works, got pointed to that tip elsewhere as well. Why it's not a menu option doesn't make sense.

Now only AA and proper high res are left, Considering that SH3 could at least do higher res via some hack it's beyond me why SH4 can't out of the box.
Until then no SH4 for me, and nope not after Oblivion quality graphics here, just graphics that are at least the going standard for games nowadays.

[Mechman]

Patch should be live tomorrow, with two distinct patches.
A 154 meg german language patch, to change the voices from english to german for all the deutchlanders out there, and a 117 meg patch to actually fix the game up to 1.1

[DJSatane]

I assume they will actually make chronometer work as it supposed to right.

[Immacolata]

Immaculata - nothing to do with "high horses". The version they sent for review is the version we review. How long do you wait? Do I wait for a couple of weeks when I get a copy for review, hoping there might be a patch? Do I tell the editor to wait for two more weeks when a patch comes out so I can run that through the paces? There will be another patch after this one - do you wait for it? This patch isn't even out yet.

If the publsiher ships copies for review, and if they ship these to the shelves for people to purchase, that's what gets reviewed. It's up to the publishers to decide what they want to push out the door.

Thats just being lazy. If there is a patch right after release and your deadline isnt up, use it. It is that simple. No one said you can't talk about that in your review. But if there is a patch, and it fixes some of the things you didn't like about the game, tell that as well. Thats being fair and objective isnt it? Not imagining some thought up demographic of people that reads game reviews and buy games off the shelves and do never patch.

Yes, of course I was a Joe Housesweater or what ever years ago. But guess what, EVEN BACK THEN GAMES WERE BUGGY! That didn't turn me off gaming. This "the average" consumer stramwan argument drawn up everytime sickens ME to the bone. Yes, we all want games without bugs. It shouldn't have to be stated so often (and stating it so often doesn't seem to work anyways, so why waste everyones time with it?).

[Immacolata]

My experience with such magazines (PC Gamer included) is that they will often overrate
the games they review. YMMV.

PC Gamer, definitely (Doom 3 review anyone?)....CGW (Games For Windows) not so much.

Depends how much they are dependent on "good relations" to publishers. It is beyond me why people buy these mags anyways :) All things game is out on the intarwebs for free.

[Kapitan_Phillips]

My god this Dev team kicks ass. I havent even got the game yet on pre-order and there's almost a patch :rotfl:

[CrocodileDundee]

There's no word of a patch anywhere on the UK site. Checked the US site as well (looked at the German one, but my German is pretty rudimentary, so I can't be sure). Are u sure this 'patch' is not just someone pulling your leg on the forum?

[THE_MASK]

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=frm&s=400102&f=6421019045

[novafluxx]

Yes, its a real patch...its on the official forums for SH4. I hope its out no later than Friday.

[CrocodileDundee]

Sober> thx man, but I had already seen it before I posted. I was talking about their official page (http://silenthunter4.uk.ubi.com/); I wandered if the announcement was 'official' so to speak... With all due respect for moderators on these forums, 'ubi_related_dudes' & so forth, I can't believe they're gonna put up a patch yet. Call me a skeptic.


Yes, its a real patch...its on the official forums for SH4. I hope its out no later than Friday.

Fri (23rd) is the official release date in the UK. Do you really think they're gonna put up a patch on the release day?:arrgh!:


I hope I'm wrong, but I guess it will be a while.:yep:

[RedHammer]

On filefront the patch is out, but you suddenly have to be registered to see the content? :P But hopefully it will be out soon.. I am dying to get the TDC fixed so I can start sinking some tonnage! :D

S!

RH

[DJSatane]

http://filelist.filefront.com/LatestGamePatches

both patch and german voice patch is there but we are not allowed to download it yet...

[lms_oid]

The first patch is currently beeing uploaded on FileFront. Seems that the missing parts of the game will be on my hard drive before the deluxe edition even reach my mailbox... SWEET ;-)

lms_oid

[Junafani]

And if you try to download it, you are taken to Terms of Service Agreement page, and if you argeed them then you go to your account homepage. If they just uploaded it and then they release when game is officially released.

[Reece]

I'm a member but the page is blank, you can click on download but goes nowhere!:-?

[Ragtag]

I'll provide a mirror link as soon as i get my hands on the patch :)

[Laffertytig]

i couldnt agree more with the comments made by the game reviewer above.

to immacolata

your argument about why reviewers should install patches before reviewing games doesnt cut it. u seem to forget that around 97% of people who buy SH4 wont even know what a patch is never mind to install one. i have a brother who got SH2 when it first came out. when i told him about SH4 he said he didnt even bother getin SH3 cos SH2 had so many problems outa the box. when i mentioned stuff like patches n bugs he had no idea what they were. i wonder how many more customers have been lost cos they're not (hardcore?) like us and check websites n forums for patches to fix games

[CrocodileDundee]

well, well, what do I know... No patch yet huh?

Don't you think it'd be weird if the patch would be released BEFORE the game? :smug:

C'mon guys, be realistic! Maybe 2morrow.

[Ragtag]

well, well, what do I know... No patch yet huh?

Don't you think it'd be weird if the patch would be released BEFORE the game? :smug:

C'mon guys, be realistic! Maybe 2morrow.

The game IS released both in Europe and US.

[cherbert]

well, well, what do I know... No patch yet huh?

Don't you think it'd be weird if the patch would be released BEFORE the game? :smug:

C'mon guys, be realistic! Maybe 2morrow.

Its not unrealistic. Its more common than you think. Do you really think the devs have been sitting on their arses since they went gold. They knew they were under pressure to reach a deadline and they could do nothing but use the time they had before it hit the streets to get a patch ready for day 1.

X3 from egosoft is one other game I can remember had a quite substantial patch on its release date.

[fredbass]

U seem to forget that around 97% of people who buy SH4 wont even know what a patch is never mind to install one.

Where did you come up with that percentage? Seems waaaay too high to me. :hmm:

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by patch quote
Added more Harbor traffic.
Added more "life" in frendly harbors.
Added more special units to enemy harbors and locations.

I just hope that it won't make leaving the harbour a pain like it was in SH3.

Every five seconds the look out yelling "ship spotted" (and the dropping down to 1:1 time compression)

DUH, we are in a frickin harbour! Of course there are ships spotted!!! We are surrounded by ships!!! Thats why it is called a harbour!! <reaching for the decaf> :p

In SH3 I really wanted a way to "jump" to open water instead of creeping through the harbour. Sure it was fun the first 10 times but not the 100th.

[CrocodileDundee]

Its not unrealistic. Its more common than you think.

Well, in my experience games generally come out without killing bugs. At least the games I bought (e.g. a month or two ago I gor Supreme Commander - didn't need a patch). I can list here a whole bunch in the same category.


Do you really think the devs have been sitting on their arses since they went gold.


Do you think SH4 is their only project? :roll: C'mon, they're console code writers, probably the were working at several things in the same time. Trust me I worked for a software company for several years until I got back to academia (much more fun doing research than working for a lobotomised project manager). There's never just one project on the table. Expecially if you have a large team (and I saw in their dev videos the're a bunch of guys and gals there).


They knew they were under pressure to reach a deadline and they could do nothing but use the time they had before it hit the streets to get a patch ready for day 1.

I hope you were right. Would be quite nice. I'll remain skeptical meanwhile.


X3 from egosoft is one other game I can remember had a quite substantial patch on its release date.

Yet it still su***d. Despite the patch i still found the framerate too low for my computer (at that time I had a brand new, top of the line Alienware, SLI and all that).

[CrocodileDundee]

U seem to forget that around 97% of people who buy SH4 wont even know what a patch is never mind to install one.

Where did you come up with that percentage? Seems waaaay too high to me. :hmm:

I agree with Fred. People who buy subsims are mostly sub/navy buffs. Despite the eye candy, you don't get your average teenager hooked on 1st person shooters trying a subsim. It's just not 'cool enough', it's slow, takes time to learn, you can't shoot ridiculous looking monsters or save the girl with huge b00bies and tight panties (e.g. Dark Star One - still a nice game, but sooo cheesy) :yep:

I'd say 97% of people who buy SH4 WILL get the patch. Time to upgrade the broadband ... :rotfl:

[Ragtag]

Supreme Commander got a patch just a few days after release.

[Ragtag]

patch is out. Link is from the German forum: http://forums-de.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9001092274/m/1821025345

No German language patch: http://www.aotd-clan.de/Files/mods/silent_hunter_4_1.1.exe

German langauge patch: http://www.aotd-flottille.de/Files/mods/silent_hunter_4_german_voices.exe

[cherbert]

Sound volume levels seem improved for me.

Lots more voice notifications of contacts etc..

Loading seems quicker?

No change with the Graphics Resolution issues.

[Gammel]

Sound volume levels seem improved for me.

Lots more voice notifications of contacts etc..

Loading seems quicker?

No change with the Graphics Resolution issues.

That was fast, cherbert :up:

[CrocodileDundee]

My bad. There's a patch out.:o

Surprisingly there's still nothing on the official ubi.UK page! :down:

hmmm... I have been proven wrong... Ok, you guys got me this time!:up:

[Seriff Al]

Hi sailors!! First i get this game today and gonna test it later today. I dont whine if theres bugs and others... Waited this long and couble bugs dont spoil my fun. So patch is coming tomorrow??

-Cheers seriff al the "sailor" :up:

[Platapus]

[/quote]the girl with huge b00bies and tight panties (e.g. Dark Star One - still a nice game, but sooo cheesy) :yep:
[/quote]

Perhaps in 1.2?

Just askin:hmm:

[hyperion2206]

CaptainNemo from the AOTD just said that Ubi will release the patch at 1800 hours CET.:D

[GT182]

One question.... just curious and do not want to see attacks on them.

Is the Dev Team for SH4 the same Team that did SHIII, or new and old mixed together? I don't hav SH4 so I can't read the credits if there are any in the manual.

[Laffertytig]

someone here on the forum worked out that percentage from the amount of sales SH3 has to date compared to the amount of people who are part of this forum. if u are a subsim fan then have internet access theres a very good chance u will know about n post on these forums, thats how we all got here after all.

97% might be a little high but its a fact that the majority of people who buy games dont even know patches exist, i myself only found out out what they were a few years ago and ive had a PC for almost 10 years.

i had this game preordered but the 1st warning sign for me was that visibility was still 8km which is a nonsense left over from SH3. ive now cancelled after readin through the bug thread and im so glad i did as the game seems a mess! im not gonna go through them all here but there are at least 10 which would make quit the game after a couple of hours, i mean what r those ridiculous 2D stick men all about, embarrising!

SH2 was a mess outa the box, SH3 had probs but nothing to major
SH4 has improved graphics/different map, ship models and some added campaign elements but can anyone honestly say that this game is a step forward which warrants a full price tag?

[jeff lackey]

Magazines survive off advertising revenue. The people advertising are the same software and hardware suppliers they review. As a result they're more than prone to give artificially high ratings.

Misconception. Most reviews are written by freelancers, such as myself. I've written for CGW, Computer Games, Gamespot, etc. I don't give a plugged nickel who advertises, and I've never had a review bumped up in score. The editorial side in legit outlets is kept pretty insulated from the advertising section intentionally.

I thought exactly what you did before I started writing in this industry, but I've been very pleased at how the editors have responded when a publisher starts screaming about a review they don't like. Basically - if you can point out factual errors in the review, fine, otherwise, take a hike.

[jeff lackey]

Don't wanna hijack this thread and turn it into a "reviews" thread, but just a couple of comments:

The writers I know and respect, especially in the Sims genre, are hard core simmers. Most, like Andy Mahood (a very cool guy, hard core simmer, and real life race car driver) are as experienced and passionate about sims as anyone here, and really WANT sims to be great, because they don't just review them and toss them, they play them for years. This generally, for the major outlets, is not some kid thinking "cool, free games" reviewing. Again - for the major outlets (CGW, CGM (rip), PCG, Gamespot, etc.) There's a lot of crappy stuff on a lot of less professional sites (incuding a fair bit of plagiarism and laziness, like when you can tell they spent about 5 hours total on a game.) And the writers do not give a flying fatooie who advertises and who doesn't. In fact, if there's unfairness, it may be giving little indie publishers more of a break even if the game costs the same.

You can say that you don't give a damn if the casual gamer picks the game up at Best Buy and doesn't like it and tells their friends not to buy it, but if you want continued support and a SHV they need some serious sales, or they'll put their development dollars elsewhere. There's a reason that I don't have a lot of serious flight sims to review these days, compared to years ago when I'd play/review a dozen new combat sims a year. Publisher can get more sales with a mediocre FPS or RPG, so they invest their limited dollars in those.

Don't blame the writers/magazines if the publisher ships review copies and retail copies with 1.0 (and btw, only with some titles do the boxed copies get updated with the latest patches) and reviewers have been playing that one for some time, when they could have waited a week or so and released the fixed version. That's not the developers' desire, by the way - they surely prefer to ship the best product they can, every developer of a sim I've ever met has been pretty passionate about their product. The reviewers' obligation is to the readers. Unless my editor tells me to review the patched version (when it comes out) - and I asked - I'll mention in the article that a patch is out that addresses certain things, but the main body is what they shipped. Hopefully one day every publisher will build in an "auto-patch" function, such that anyone playing has the latest patch, but until then, ship to the stores what you want reviewed. What's the excuse not to?

[HarleyRider]

I see people on here are getting the "Silent Hunter:Wolves of the Pacific" patch 1.1. I clicked on the link on the main page here to go to Filefront but It won't let me download it. I also went to Ubisoft's site and nothing was there.

Can someone here help me and point me to where I have to go to get this SH4 1.1 patch or even leave a link? Any help would be GREATLY appreciated.
Thanks alot...

Cheers!!!

[Gizzmoe]

Here:
ftp://ftp.ubi.com/de/sh4/silent_hunter_4_1.1.exe

And the "voices" patch for the German version:
ftp://ftp.ubi.com/de/sh4/silent_hunter_4_german_voices.exe

[enaceo]

Yes I also have this problem . Gamershell has a "link" for the patch but you can't download there either , it says "coming soon".
Later edit : Thanks for the ftp link.

[Kankkis]

Yes I also have this problem . Gamershell has a "link" for the patch but you can't download there either , it says "coming soon".
Later edit : Thanks for the ftp link.

Use Upgradelauncher.

-Kankkis-

[HarleyRider]

Yippie!!!!!!!!! Got it. Thanks guys for your help.
GREATLY APPRECIATED!!!!!!!!!!

I take it this 1.1 patch is for the American DVD version, right?

Cheers!!!

[Lognoreng]

Thanks alot!

[Gizzmoe]

I take it this 1.1 patch is for the American DVD version, right?

AFAIK it´s an universal patch.

[flintlock]

It does, yes (North American DVD, I mean).

[cmdrk]

I'm now DLing the patch from:
http://www.ubi.com/US/Downloads/Info.aspx?dlId=2172

[jeff lackey]

And so... I talked with my editor, and he has decided, since the patch is out before the program is out, to review the patched version and then make it very clear to the readers that you need to get and apply the patch for this review to be accurate.

So, things do change! ;) I'm still not convinced it's the "right" thing to do, since they're shipping 1.0 to all the stores, but I can take advanatge of the leeway.

Plus - it means I can stop playing 1.0 and play the patched version (as soon as the official released patch is out) - it is always frustrating to have to play a game that has problems that you know are fixed in a patch.

[elanaiba]

Thank you Jeff,

Dan

[geetrue]

And so... I talked with my editor, and he has decided, since the patch is out before the program is out, to review the patched version and then make it very clear to the readers that you need to get and apply the patch for this review to be accurate.

So, things do change! ;) I'm still not convinced it's the "right" thing to do, since they're shipping 1.0 to all the stores, but I can take advanatge of the leeway.

Plus - it means I can stop playing 1.0 and play the patched version (as soon as the official released patch is out) - it is always frustrating to have to play a game that has problems that you know are fixed in a patch.

That's good news jeff ... do you have others like yourself that you could influence in the publishing business to do the same?

Uhmm? maybe a little coffee mug could be in your future ... :yep:
whoops is that a bribe :arrgh!:

[Rickenbacker]

Same here, I'm reviewing the patched version (for a monthly gaming mag). If they read the review, they'll know they need the patch, so it all works out. No idea what the score will be though, ask me when I'm done writing :-).

And while some mags live on ad revenue, not all do. Our main source of income is sales and subscribers, and we don't let advertisers tell us what to write.

[vodkavera]

It´s finaly official at the SH 4 site.
http://silenthunter4.uk.ubi.com/

/VV

[Kaleun]

http://silenthunter4.uk.ubi.com/

[AS]

Just downloading the patch and wondering...

Can someone please explain to me UBI´s policiy? I mean let´s have a look at the facts:

-SH4 goes gold

-Beta Testers had had time enough to comment on the game

-the game is released, most people immediately complain about lacking sounds, bad interface etc.

-12-24 hours after the official (European) release date a 160Mb patch (!) PLUS a 150Mb German speech patch are released

Now it´s pretty obvious the patch had been developed some time BEFORE. What I conclude from this is that the game was released ALTHOUGH not all the programming was included. My simple question is: WHY the hell couldn´t they have waited just one day (or one week) in order to get the already patched file on DVD and into the box?
:o
This is not meant to be a rhetorical question, I really don´t understand why a publisher would do this. I mean, they wouldn´t have sold LESS copies just because people had to wait ONE DAY LONGER...

So what´s that all about???

I´m waiting for the day when a patch is released two weeks before the actual game comes out :rotfl:

[ryuzu]

That's good news jeff ... do you have others like yourself that you could influence in the publishing business to do the same?

Uhmm? maybe a little coffee mug could be in your future ... :yep:
whoops is that a bribe :arrgh!:

Good news? Apparently the patch can cause a CTD when trying to change depth by clicking on the depth meter... I suppose the question is whether that is better or worse than a crashing stadimeter and the lack of imperial units.

r.

[Gizzmoe]

Now it´s pretty obvious the patch had been developed some time BEFORE. What I conclude from this is that the game was released ALTHOUGH not all the programming was included. My simple question is: WHY the hell couldn´t they have waited just one day (or one week) in order to get the already patched file on DVD and into the box?

Full explanation here:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=454189&postcount=78

[vodkavera]

I think that it takes a long time to print and produce thousands of DVD copys.
My guess is that it was ready at least a month ago!
During that time they have worked on the patch....

/VV

[ijozic]

I think that it takes a long time to print and produce thousands of DVD copys.
My guess is that it was ready at least a month ago!
During that time they have worked on the patch....

Of course! They make a build that goes to copying and then continue to test and work on corrections.

[Onkel Neal]

Don't wanna hijack this thread and turn it into a "reviews" thread, but just a couple of comments:

The writers I know and respect, especially in the Sims genre, are hard core simmers. Most, like Andy Mahood (a very cool guy, hard core simmer, and real life race car driver) are as experienced and passionate about sims as anyone here, and really WANT sims to be great, because they don't just review them and toss them, they play them for years. This generally, for the major outlets, is not some kid thinking "cool, free games" reviewing. Again - for the major outlets (CGW, CGM (rip), PCG, Gamespot, etc.) There's a lot of crappy stuff on a lot of less professional sites (incuding a fair bit of plagiarism and laziness, like when you can tell they spent about 5 hours total on a game.) And the writers do not give a flying fatooie who advertises and who doesn't. In fact, if there's unfairness, it may be giving little indie publishers more of a break even if the game costs the same.

You can say that you don't give a damn if the casual gamer picks the game up at Best Buy and doesn't like it and tells their friends not to buy it, but if you want continued support and a SHV they need some serious sales, or they'll put their development dollars elsewhere. There's a reason that I don't have a lot of serious flight sims to review these days, compared to years ago when I'd play/review a dozen new combat sims a year. Publisher can get more sales with a mediocre FPS or RPG, so they invest their limited dollars in those.

Don't blame the writers/magazines if the publisher ships review copies and retail copies with 1.0 (and btw, only with some titles do the boxed copies get updated with the latest patches) and reviewers have been playing that one for some time, when they could have waited a week or so and released the fixed version. That's not the developers' desire, by the way - they surely prefer to ship the best product they can, every developer of a sim I've ever met has been pretty passionate about their product. The reviewers' obligation is to the readers. Unless my editor tells me to review the patched version (when it comes out) - and I asked - I'll mention in the article that a patch is out that addresses certain things, but the main body is what they shipped. Hopefully one day every publisher will build in an "auto-patch" function, such that anyone playing has the latest patch, but until then, ship to the stores what you want reviewed. What's the excuse not to?
*********************

And so... I talked with my editor, and he has decided, since the patch is out before the program is out, to review the patched version and then make it very clear to the readers that you need to get and apply the patch for this review to be accurate.

So, things do change! ;) I'm still not convinced it's the "right" thing to do, since they're shipping 1.0 to all the stores, but I can take advanatge of the leeway.

Plus - it means I can stop playing 1.0 and play the patched version (as soon as the official released patch is out) - it is always frustrating to have to play a game that has problems that you know are fixed in a patch.



Well said, Jeff. Glad your review will be based on the patched version. I understand the time constraints print is under but on the other hand, if the developer/publisher is committed to patching and improving a released game, I feel it's good to acknowledge that.

cheers
Neal

[Onkel Neal]

I think that it takes a long time to print and produce thousands of DVD copys.
My guess is that it was ready at least a month ago!
During that time they have worked on the patch....
Of course! They make a build that goes to copying and then continue to test and work on corrections.

Exactly right. Even when the RC goes to QA testing, the devs keep working on the code. I would like to have seen them wait an additional 3~6 months before releasing the game, but I don't know Ubisoft's financials. When I suggest to my electric company waiting a few months before I pay them, they say mean things to me.

It's a shame that the most complex and interesting games (simulations) are not the top sellers and bringing in huge resource pools for future development.

[Ostfriese]

When I suggest to my electric company waiting a few months before I pay them, they say mean things to me.

The difference is that your electric company doesn't deliver a faulty product (at least they don't over here).

The thing is: Players are more and more getting used to patches on release days or even before the official release. But what will be the next step? Look at the German version of SH IV. The game has been available for less than 24 hours, and the German customers already have to download two (2!) patches, which have a combined size of 260 megabytes.

With all due respect, no matter how bad UBI's financials may be, it doesn't allow them to rip customers of like they just did with SH IV. The game may one day become a good, or even a top product, but the current state of the game is simply ridiculous.

The problem is, as I said before, that loads of people still buy games on the day the games get released. And believe me, once SH V will be released the majority of people will have forgotten how bug ridden SH IV and SH III were on their release dates. They will just again run into the shops and buy a bug ridden product.

[JamesT73J]

If any of you have ever been involved in implementing software for multiple users (even COTS packages) will know this is the rule, rather than the exception.

With enough planning, time, and resources (that means money as well as man hours) anything can be achieved. Sadly in the real world the latter two are usually limited in some way. Hence this less than ideal situation.

Ubi will get it right guys, just be patient. The money you've paid isn't just buying the box, it's also buying the fixes; even though the dev team probably isn't even getting a penny for those.

[Ostfriese]

If any of you have ever been involved in implementing software for multiple users (even COTS packages) will know this is the rule, rather than the exception.

With enough planning, time, and resources (that means money as well as man hours) anything can be achieved. Sadly in the real world the latter two are usually limited in some way. Hence this less than ideal situation.

Ubi will get it right guys, just be patient. The money you've paid isn't just buying the box, it's also buying the fixes; even though the dev team probably isn't even getting a penny for those.

I don't disagree - they are only selling the product because there are so many folks out there that are willing to BUY the product as bad as it is.

[Regio Sommergibile]

Nothing about patrol orders bug. :-?

I mean when i receive a patrol order (binoculars icon) and it's always incomplete, no matter for how long you go around in the area...

[jeff lackey]

Well, crap. Downloaded the patch, and when I go to install it I am told that no version of Silent Hunter 4 is installed. Neal, you have the review copy - did you get this message, and, if so, do you know the workaround?

I'm going to reinstall, and let it install to the default directory and see if that makes a difference.

Crap.

[Regio Sommergibile]

Just installed with no problems...:-?

[jeff lackey]

Just installed with no problems...:-?

It may be because the review version they shipped to CGW was one of those "expires by xx/xx" versions. Which is pretty insulting, actually - its as if they are afraid CGW is going to pirate it. Very, very few companies will ship review versions that aren't exactly what's in the box.

Asking Ubi to overnight a retail version so we can review the patched version... sigh.

[novafluxx]

Sort of off-topic, but now that the patch is out...does anyone know if I can use the patch on my direct2drive version...or must I wait for d2d to create a patch?

My experience lately seems that most official patches work with d2d versions now...and seeing as ubi has its own digital version, maybe the patch will work. I am going to try it, and see what happens. If it does't work, I'll reinstall!

I'll let you know here the results. In case some of you guys have the d2d version as well (didn't wanna go to wal-mart at 1 am, and went to bed and woke up to a tax free sh4 ready to install!):p

EDIT: Update...the patch works fine for my d2d version! Godspeed and good sailing!

[geetrue]

Just installed with no problems...:-?

I like that sig Regio Sommergibile ... there is a thead about bugs in the patch

Don't forget to defrag before and afterr install of any large game :yep:

[uzihead]

I am reviewer for mag in the country the game was made, and yes, I have the same review version. The install of the review version doesn't add any data in registry, and that is why the patcher can't apply. Also, if you manage to put the patch (if I give you a registry file), it won't recognise the securom version on the review copy you have. In conclusion, the review version for the magazines around the world is pretty much unplayable, unless you ask the developers to give you a copy/paste version of the patch.

Good luck with that...

[Barkhorn1x]

Just installed with no problems...:-?

It may be because the review version they shipped to CGW was one of those "expires by xx/xx" versions. Which is pretty insulting, actually - its as if they are afraid CGW is going to pirate it. Very, very few companies will ship review versions that aren't exactly what's in the box.

Asking Ubi to overnight a retail version so we can review the patched version... sigh.

Sounds like UBI is REALLY going out of their way to ensure a decent review, huh? :shifty:


I do feel for ya tho'.

[ijozic]

With all due respect, no matter how bad UBI's financials may be, it doesn't allow them to rip customers of like they just did with SH IV. The game may one day become a good, or even a top product, but the current state of the game is simply ridiculous.

The problem is, as I said before, that loads of people still buy games on the day the games get released. And believe me, once SH V will be released the majority of people will have forgotten how bug ridden SH IV and SH III were on their release dates. They will just again run into the shops and buy a bug ridden product.

I don't see anything wrong with this. The complexity of making and testing a complex simulation such as this one in such a great way beside, I would GLADLY go out and buy a product in this state knowing that these little (and compared to the whole product, they are rather little) bugs will be ironed out in due time rather then have the product running out of funds because of prolonged testing and risk the chance that the producer just gives up on it.

You see, even if they invested money in the development of some game, they often find it financially more viable to shelve it rather than spend that much or more on detailed testing, mass-copying of the game, box, etc., marketing and product support for some time. They just cut their losses and hopefully cover them with some other project (wasn't the word that perhaps 10% of the games actually get finished?).

So, complaining about minor bugs in such a great simulation in this very limited market is rather self-harmful. I want to see Silent Hunter V. I'd sign for it immediately if it would come in this condition and there would be a long fat smile on my face.

[The General]

Would someone who's got a patched copy please post a screenshot of the new BOW/Stern wake in action? Thanks.

[Ostfriese]

I don't see anything wrong with this. The complexity of making and testing a complex simulation such as this one in such a great way beside, I would GLADLY go out and buy a product in this state knowing that these little (and compared to the whole product, they are rather little) bugs will be ironed out in due time rather then have the product running out of funds because of prolonged testing and risk the chance that the producer just gives up on it.
That's sort of naive... How can you be sure that they will iron out the bugs? They can easily say 'who cares, we have got our money'. Now don't even think about starting like 'the players would never forget this.' They will. They have done so before and they will do it again.

You see, even if they invested money in the development of some game, they often find it financially more viable to shelve it rather than spend that much or more on detailed testing, mass-copying of the game, box, etc., marketing and product support for some time.
I agree, they do that - but think for a moment about the reasons why. The answer? Because there are enough -excuse me- idiots out there who simply turn of their brains and buy the junk if it has been hyped long enough.

So, complaining about minor bugs in such a great simulation in this very limited market is rather self-harmful. I want to see Silent Hunter V. I'd sign for it immediately if it would come in this condition and there would be a long fat smile on my face.
So you're saying that we should simply ignore those 'minor' bugs (like CTDs...) just because UBI fills a niche? We should take the product in even the worst states just because their is no other product? Hilarious.
WE are the customers, it's OUR money that they want. They don't make presents, they want to sell a product. But for the money we spend we can expect a product as good as possible - and sadly more and more games lack the necessary beta testing. And this is NOT the producers' / publishers' fault.

I actually want to see Silent Hunter V as well, just like you. But unlike you I would like the release version to be free of horrible bugs that a serious beta testing would have found and eliminated, and unlike you I'm not willing to spend my hard earned money on faulty products.

But unfortunately I'll wait forever for a (mostly) bugfree SH V. UBI will not even TRY to make release versions bugfree. Why should they? There will be enough people who will buy it anyway.

[1mPHUNit0]

Still downloading.....grrrrrrrrr
Bug???????????
No dear ...are not bugs...it's a method
UpgradeLauncer....e new entry in this version.....

[Schultzy]

Does anyone know of any mirrors (apart from AOTD's) to the German language pack. It just won't download from the current links.

TIA. :)

[PCG SimGuy]

Just installed with no problems...:-?

It may be because the review version they shipped to CGW was one of those "expires by xx/xx" versions. Which is pretty insulting, actually - its as if they are afraid CGW is going to pirate it. Very, very few companies will ship review versions that aren't exactly what's in the box.

Asking Ubi to overnight a retail version so we can review the patched version... sigh.
You and me both Jeff. Double sigh.

AM

[Spike]

http://files.filefront.com/Silent+Hunter+4+Wolves+of+the+Pacific+v11+Patch/;6992178;/fileinfo.html

[Immacolata]

Did you even CHECK the forum before you posted that? Theres like 1000 patch threads :)

[Mylander]

Kick Ass! I am having a ball with SH IV! Keep up the good work Ubi! You support the product, we keep supporting you!

Here's to SH V! Let's do the Pacific again!!!

Mylander

[Rilder]

Geeze a day after American release and they already patch it, and I didn't even get to experiance the bugs...:oops: Hopefully I can get my copy soon. :p At least before 1.2 comes out.

[Regio Sommergibile]

Just installed with no problems...:-?
It may be because the review version they shipped to CGW was one of those "expires by xx/xx" versions. Which is pretty insulting, actually - its as if they are afraid CGW is going to pirate it. Very, very few companies will ship review versions that aren't exactly what's in the box.

Asking Ubi to overnight a retail version so we can review the patched version... sigh.

Sorry i don't understand well. Are you saying my copy is illegal ?:o

[jeff lackey]

And so... I talked with my editor, and he has decided, since the patch is out before the program is out, to review the patched version and then make it very clear to the readers that you need to get and apply the patch for this review to be accurate.

So, things do change! ;) I'm still not convinced it's the "right" thing to do, since they're shipping 1.0 to all the stores, but I can take advanatge of the leeway.

Plus - it means I can stop playing 1.0 and play the patched version (as soon as the official released patch is out) - it is always frustrating to have to play a game that has problems that you know are fixed in a patch.
That's good news jeff ... do you have others like yourself that you could influence in the publishing business to do the same?

Uhmm? maybe a little coffee mug could be in your future ... :yep:
whoops is that a bribe :arrgh!:

Hey dude - I collect coffee mugs. Mugs with any kind of military symbols especially (grew up following F-4s in an Air Force family.) So I can be bribed. Well, not for reviews or anything related to integrity, but I'm sure we could work something out for a good coffee mug. LOL!

[jeff lackey]

Just installed with no problems...:-?
It may be because the review version they shipped to CGW was one of those "expires by xx/xx" versions. Which is pretty insulting, actually - its as if they are afraid CGW is going to pirate it. Very, very few companies will ship review versions that aren't exactly what's in the box.

Asking Ubi to overnight a retail version so we can review the patched version... sigh. You and me both Jeff. Double sigh.

AM

Hey Andy! Email me with what's up with your book!

Elvin at Ubi is overnighting a boxed copy that should show up tomorrow - I assume you have his info, if not give me a shout.

[jeff lackey]

Just installed with no problems...:-?
It may be because the review version they shipped to CGW was one of those "expires by xx/xx" versions. Which is pretty insulting, actually - its as if they are afraid CGW is going to pirate it. Very, very few companies will ship review versions that aren't exactly what's in the box.

Asking Ubi to overnight a retail version so we can review the patched version... sigh.
Sorry i don't understand well. Are you saying my copy is illegal ?:o

No, not at all, just that the review versions they shipped out to magazines and web sites were a "modified" version with a built in expiration date, such that the game will become unplayable in a few weeks.

Most companies just ship either a boxed version or an exact gold copy of what was shipped to the duplicators.

[Tom Custer]

:D I'm still waiting for the game to arrive at my door,but, I already have a new folder for "Silent Hunter IV DL". Patch is now in it with acouple new mods I put in there yesterday.Really looking forward to start my career in the Pacific. I have 7 more months till the end of the war in my U-boat.Now I'll be bouncing back and forth between the two. I was really into aircract in "European Air War,"now on the bridge of my u-boat I have grown to hate aircracft.:lol:

[geetrue]

Mr Tom Custer (any relation to the famous one?)

Tell me what happens when you get the game and install it? Will it find the folder with the downloaded patch and install SH4 in that folder and everything work just fine or is it better to install game and then include patch.

Thank you Tom or anyone with the correct answer ...

It will take me 9 hours or more to download the patch on 31kbps dial up

[flyingdane]

Mr Tom Custer (any relation to the famous one?)

Tell me what happens when you get the game and install it? Will it find the folder with the downloaded patch and install SH4 in that folder and everything work just fine or is it better to install game and then include patch.

Thank you Tom or anyone with the correct answer ...

It will take me 9 hours or more to download the pacth on 31kbps dial up

Game then patch. ;)

[RDDR]

Reading all those fixes.Almost like a new game.
I think they have been working to catch up to the release for sure.

[flintlock]

Will it find the folder with the downloaded patch and install SH4 in that folder and everything work just fine
Unfortunately not. You'll need to install the game first, and then apply the patch in order for it to work.

[geetrue]

I went to the ubi USA download the patch website and started the download ...

said it would take 10 hours ... I click on it anyway and went to bed ... woke up to take a look and it was downloaded in less than two hours.

Looked and the file size says it is 24mb and that it has completed the download, but the Ubi site said the file size would be 116mb ... so I tried to do it again, but the message comes up that I already have the file.

what did I do wrong ... I can't install it yet of course, I don't have the game yet.

[Mentalist]

Looks like something went wrong with the download there. It should be 116mb. I have it and it's that size. Delete the 23mb (corrupted) version and give it another go.

[bclaw2004]

Now after patching I get CTD, which I didn't on release version. Is anyone else getting this.
:damn::damn::damn:

My System is
Intel E6600 Dual Core
Gigiabyte S965 MB
2 Gig MEM
XFX 7800GTX
SB Audigy 2

[ijozic]

That's sort of naive... How can you be sure that they will iron out the bugs? They can easily say 'who cares, we have got our money'. Now don't even think about starting like 'the players would never forget this.' They will. They have done so before and they will do it again.
I already stated my point and I have SH3 as an argument. This is a complex product and the bugs are relatively minor. Even if they wouldn't produce another single patch after this, I'm sure the community would iron things out.

I agree, they do that - but think for a moment about the reasons why. The answer? Because there are enough -excuse me- idiots out there who simply turn of their brains and buy the junk if it has been hyped long enough.
I hope the hype and junk are in general sense because I can hardly see how they refer to this game.

So you're saying that we should simply ignore those 'minor' bugs (like CTDs...) just because UBI fills a niche? We should take the product in even the worst states just because their is no other product? Hilarious.
Well, you may find it hillarious but that's how things are currently. It's much easier for companies to play it safe and publish another FPS or similar hit games. Now, this is not a junk game. It's very well done with some minor issues which will be sorted out one way or another. Jesus, they game's just out for a week or less and already you're crucifying it.

And as for CTDs, the obvious ones are removed with the patch. Some occasional ones might still happen but there are still CTDs happening sometimes in SH3 but do you see other people bitching and mouning about the issues or do you see them enjoying the game and praising the community for such great mods such as GWX, NYGM and others?

WE are the customers, it's OUR money that they want. They don't make presents, they want to sell a product. But for the money we spend we can expect a product as good as possible - and sadly more and more games lack the necessary beta testing. And this is NOT the producers' / publishers' fault.
Well you look at it this way, but in this day and situation, I look at it as a present. 50$ is really nothing for a product I will play over years to come (I'll probably play SH3 more as I prefer the Atlantic; I find it more exciting when you're just fighting to survive).

But how did you come to conclusion that these bugs are not in any way publisher's fault? They gave a deadline (the whole game had a rather tight schedule) and wouldn't move it so, even if you as a developer know about the bugs, you don't have a choice. The publisher sure as hell won't move it.

I actually want to see Silent Hunter V as well, just like you. But unlike you I would like the release version to be free of horrible bugs that a serious beta testing would have found and eliminated, and unlike you I'm not willing to spend my hard earned money on faulty products.
Yeah, sure, I don't want your hard-earned 50$ to get wasted if a game has a bug or two. There is a world of difference between 'faulty', meaning it can be ironed out with patches and 'bad' which no patches can sort out. This is surely not a bad product and it will get ironed out.

But unfortunately I'll wait forever for a (mostly) bugfree SH V. UBI will not even TRY to make release versions bugfree. Why should they? There will be enough people who will buy it anyway.
If there will be an SH V made by the same team and made to this quality and it revisits the Atlantic, you're damn right I'm buying. If that makes me an idiot, fine.

[ijozic]

Now after patching I get CTD, which I didn't on release version. Is anyone else getting this.

Did you reinstall the game before applying the patch? Some people reported this fixed the issue for them.

[bclaw2004]

I give it a try the games only been installed for one day........

[macky]

cant believe it, only released in the UK today, mine is in the post and there is a patch already:o

All I can say is :up: for fixing the inevitable bugs so quickly. I have been reading a lot more negative posts here than I expected tbh. You guys have always constructively critisised, but some posts have gone down to flaming, which gets everyone knowhere imo.

I personally could have lived and enjoyed the game out the box after reading some of the comments here. I am just hoping that my minimum spec system will run it ok, but if not, I'll be damn sure to just upgrade rather than flame:yep:

[bclaw2004]

Now after patching I get CTD, which I didn't on release version. Is anyone else getting this.
Did you reinstall the game before applying the patch? Some people reported this fixed the issue for them.

Did a clean install, restarted system, then downloaded the patch again via the update tool and applied still getting CTD

[ijozic]

Did a clean install, restarted system, then downloaded the patch again via the update tool and applied still getting CTD
In what situation does it happen? If you can reproduce it, I suggest putting it down to the bugs thread with some description of your system (OS, drivers, Dx9 version, etc.).

[Seeadler]

I have tested several times the A key, however with no CTD in both English and German installations (fresh install + patch)

[The General]

Oh God please help! I have the following computer specs:

3.4 Ghz Pentium 4

6200SE Nvidia Geforce with 256MB RAM

I HAVE NO SOUND CARD

I HAVE A 1.1 PATCHED version of SH4 (UK) Version

The game runs so slowly as to be unplayable. Is the lack of sound card the crucial factor or is there something very wrong with this software?:cry:

[bclaw2004]

Did a clean install, restarted system, then downloaded the patch again via the update tool and applied still getting CTD
In what situation does it happen? If you can reproduce it, I suggest putting it down to the bugs thread with some description of your system (OS, drivers, Dx9 version, etc.).
I have managed a mission, The random CTD seem to have stopped, using the 'a' key to hold depth produces a CTD whether metric or imperial.
I have updated video drivers Nvidia 93.71, and Sound drivers for Audigy 2 to the latest.
I have now an extensive frame rate drop when viewing the sub from the port side.
At an angle on the port bow looking to the stern slightly away from the sub I have seen a clear box edge when the camera passes through the box frame rates drop to 1 a second maybe. That was starting a new career at sea off Pearl, after dying in a previous career. Outside of the box I can scroll the camera anywhere at any speed
Here's a screen capture of the box edge
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f331/Voodoo65/SH4Img24-3-2007_0.jpg

My Specs
XP Pro SP2
Intel E6600 Dual Core
Gigabyte GA-965P-S3 MB
2 GB ram
XFX 7800GTX 256Mb
Audigy 2 Sound Card
At least 80Gb free space on HDD game installed on.

[NefariousKoel]

Oh God please help! I have the following computer specs:

3.4 Ghz Pentium 4

6200SE Nvidia Geforce with 256MB RAM

I HAVE NO SOUND CARD

I HAVE A 1.1 PATCHED version of SH4 (UK) Version

The game runs so slowly as to be unplayable. Is the lack of sound card the crucial factor or is there something very wrong with this software?:cry:

Sorry to say but your video card is the lowest of the low end stuff. It also likely only has 32 or 64MB of VRAM and uses your system RAM for the rest of the 256MB.

You need a better video card.

[MarkQuinn]

Hey guys just curious. What's this resolution bug everyone keeps talking about? Aside from not receiving the warning message (you must exit game for changes to take effect), my game changes from 1280x1024 to 1024x780 fine. If it's a bug regarding the actual appearance of the game, I don't know --- the game looks great to me. Breathtaking, actually. Definately a step above SH3.

Did I happen to get the only working copy of this game or am I missing something?

Oh a question too. In my game, I notice performance is absolute ****e in the submarine academy. I have to lower my settings to medium. But in campaign mode it runs smooth at the highest settings. I was thinking perhaps this happens because in academy mode there's another AI warship right there on screen, which may be taking a lot of processing power. In campaign, as I haven't yet met the enemy, it's just open water. So to be safe, I've left my graphics on medium settings. But if anyone can confirm that they have experienced poor performance in the training mode but good performance on campaign (with AI warships present) then I'll chalk it up to a training mode glitch a live with it.

[ryuzu]

Hey guys just curious. What's this resolution bug everyone keeps talking about? Aside from not receiving the warning message (you must exit game for changes to take effect), my game changes from 1280x1024 to 1024x780 fine. If it's a bug regarding the actual appearance of the game, I don't know --- the game looks great to me. Breathtaking, actually. Definately a step above SH3.

Did I happen to get the only working copy of this game or am I missing something?

Oh a question too. In my game, I notice performance is absolute ****e in the submarine academy. I have to lower my settings to medium. But in campaign mode it runs smooth at the highest settings. I was thinking perhaps this happens because in academy mode there's another AI warship right there on screen, which may be taking a lot of processing power. In campaign, as I haven't yet met the enemy, it's just open water. So to be safe, I've left my graphics on medium settings. But if anyone can confirm that they have experienced poor performance in the training mode but good performance on campaign (with AI warships present) then I'll chalk it up to a training mode glitch a live with it.

1) The Resolution Issue

Well I suspect this isn't a bug - I suspect it is simply the way the game works.

Anyway, in summary, although you can select higher resolutions, the consensus is that this has no (discernible) effect on the 3D elements of the game, that is to say the 2D panels and screens are higher resolution, but the images of your sub and the environment are still 1024x768.

This is a problem for everyone with reasonable system in that the game appears more blocky than it should (there's no Anti-aliasing either).

It is a particular problem for anyone with a large monitor since the game is simply expanding the 1024x768 3d graphics to fit which means it looks blurry and weird on theose monitors.

Many are hoping for a fix, I have a suspicion that nothing is broken and the game is operating as designed... There has been some comment about support for Anti-aliasing from the devs though.

2) No I didn't notice any difference in performance between the trianing missions and the campaign. However, in the campaign you can choose whether to attack the larger convoys in order to protect performance. In fact now I consider that option, there's no choice at all :88)

r.

[MarkQuinn]

Thanks Ryuzu.

You know I hadn't really considered the performance hit I'll take when near large convoys. Think I'll stick with the medium settings.

And damn the preview I read where the guy said he had a "sub-mid-range system" and played it smoothly on the highest settings. What a sheer and utter lie that was. If my dual core 3ghz, 2 gig RAM, 7800GTOC with all updated drivers, freshly defragged hard disk and minimal settings in msconfig has to run this game on medium (which I fully expect and accept for just about all games nowadays) then that reviewer has a very different idea of what sub-mid-range is. Perhaps he meant he has a sub-mid-range Alienware.

[ryuzu]

Thanks Ryuzu.

You know I hadn't really considered the performance hit I'll take when near large convoys. Think I'll stick with the medium settings.

And damn the preview I read where the guy said he had a "sub-mid-range system" and played it smoothly on the highest settings. What a sheer and utter lie that was. If my dual core 3ghz, 2 gig RAM, 7800GTOC with all updated drivers, freshly defragged hard disk and minimal settings in msconfig has to run this game on medium (which I fully expect and accept for just about all games nowadays) then that reviewer has a very different idea of what sub-mid-range is. Perhaps he meant he has a sub-mid-range Alienware.

Hmmm. Well I'm using a Dual Core (Amd 2800), 2Gb Ram and a 7600GT on an Asus MB.

I have everything turned on graphics-wise and I get somewhere in the mid 20s to mid 30s outside and 30s to 40s inside the sub...

If you're getting worse than that, then there is something wrong your end. Double check drivers perhaps for everything - make sure you've applied the dual core fixes from MS and AMD (if that's the core you have).

r.

[Stryker412]

Game finally came in the mail today. Just a quick question, I've read reports of people having FPS drop with the new patch. Should I wait for 1.2 or is it safe enough to install 1.1 after install?

[Liszt_]

Thanks Ryuzu.

You know I hadn't really considered the performance hit I'll take when near large convoys. Think I'll stick with the medium settings.

And damn the preview I read where the guy said he had a "sub-mid-range system" and played it smoothly on the highest settings. What a sheer and utter lie that was. If my dual core 3ghz, 2 gig RAM, 7800GTOC with all updated drivers, freshly defragged hard disk and minimal settings in msconfig has to run this game on medium (which I fully expect and accept for just about all games nowadays) then that reviewer has a very different idea of what sub-mid-range is. Perhaps he meant he has a sub-mid-range Alienware.

Medium with that system? that is ridiculous.

I have a 2.6 ghz, 1 gig, 6800 GT 256mb and I run on medium just fine. You should be able to go on high easily.

[-Pv-]

For those with CTD with the A key, this is widely reported and appears to be a bug not an install issue. Don't waste your time trying to fix it.

Is is just me or does one of the new voices that came with the 1.1 patch sound like an 8 year old (sonar contacts.) Very irritating.
-Pv-

[Mast]

Installed SHIV, installed patch too. Noticed a couple of things (errors?). When I surface and my batteries are at the halfway point, I get an immediate message. "Need to surface batteries are low" or something to that affect. I just surfaced. I shouldn't be getting this message. Also...when the sub gets to 33 feet. I hear my officer call out "present depth 33 feet" but the message reads 32 feet instead of 33. I've started a patrol from Hawaii, I've yet to see my fuel go down at all. I'm patrolling off Honshu Island too. Small error?

Mast

[-Pv-]

Mast,

The message you are getting when surfacing is probably not the battery charge message but the out of air need to surface message. It gets triggered when the air supply is recharged. Message reversed bug.

Depth COMMAD callouts appear to be 1 foot off sometimes. No biggy. This was common in SH3 also. It's a rounding thing depending on when the sound gets triggered and if the display is rounding up or down when the sound is triggered.

Also, do you have limited fuel unchecked in the options? Later in the war the subs have incredible ranges.
-Pv-

[Gizzmoe]

Unstickied, to make room for new stickies. Please report patch 1.1 bugs here:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=107766