View Full Version : SH4 on older cards
DaMaGe007
03-21-07, 04:10 AM
Those of you with older vid cards who were expecting it to run like Sh3 GWX....your going to be sourly disapointed, it runs like ass..and I mean ASS...
Even on lowest settings Im getting about 3-5 frames per second.
I have to have more of a play with it, but Sh3 with a few tweaks this is not...
Be Aware...
They say aditional chipsets may be supported after release...although we all know how that usually turns out...
Fat Bhoy Tim
03-21-07, 04:11 AM
Informative.
DaMaGe007
03-21-07, 04:13 AM
It says geforce 6200 + on the box...
I have a 5700 256mb, p4 dualcore 2,8g and 1 gig of ram...and its unplayable...
Even on lowest settings...
Fat Bhoy Tim
03-21-07, 04:16 AM
Somewhat more informative.
DaMaGe007
03-21-07, 04:23 AM
I thought you may like that a bit better...
But you know how you can usually just drop the settings and still play...not from the looks of things...a patch to support other chipsets may be in the works, but my card isnt that bad.
Ati cards it says 9600 +...
First time I have had to pay attention to the system specs for a game, and I recomend others do so before you waste a trip to the game store.
The system specs seem to be unusually high for a game comming out at the moment. I just though it was worth mentioning as some forum members say they have older rigs...
but my card isnt that bad.
Sorry to say, but your 5700 card is really old and minimum specs has always meant that the game will "run" but not much more... precisely as you state above.
SH4 is way ahead of SH3 when it comes to the graphics departement and thus you can not compare them in that way. No matter how low you set your settings SH4 will run very poorly on a system equipped with a graphics card at or near minimum specifications.
Besides the above systems with these types of graphics cards inside almost always have bottlenecks in other areas as well, like CPU type and amount of memory available.
:up: Good of you however to come back to these forums and tell the rest of us what we have to wait if we decide to buy the game and play it on a system at or near the minimum specifications.
Regards,
Jonas
Immacolata
03-21-07, 05:16 AM
I thought you may like that a bit better...
But you know how you can usually just drop the settings and still play...not from the looks of things...a patch to support other chipsets may be in the works, but my card isnt that bad.
LOL. Yes it is! 5xxx series is the worst crap you ever saw from Nvidia since their Edge-cards. But crap or not, the 5700 model was out in late 2003. Your card isn't just bad, it sucks due to age. I suggest you save up for a replacement. Don't forget when SH3 was released your card model was "merely" about 1½ years old. It is now 2 years since.
A complete new computer is probably too expensive for you at this point, but that 1 giga of memory is also a concern I think. It would be interesting to hear from other 1-gigabyters. I have 2 and with that there are no significant problems.
ive tried it on a 7600gs 3000 sempron. playable just about on medium settings, depending on youre idea of framerates.
oh and 3 gig of ram!
flys on the core 2 duo, but sucks without the AA, :(
HannesGM
03-21-07, 09:00 AM
As for me, I'm running SHIV on a 2800+ AMD 64 with 1GB of DDR2 RAM and a Radeon X800XL - no problem at all playing on preconfigured medium settings at all - it runs even smoother than SHIII with GWX expansion at similar settings.
Iirc, the X800XL isn't exactly the latest graphics adapter out there...
DaMaGe007
03-21-07, 10:09 AM
It is mostlikely just the graphics card that is stopping it from running well enough on 1gig...although 1 gig is borderline in my opinion and 2 or higher is what you really want for sh4 preferably 3-4 if you want some longetivity for upcomming games.
Im getting a new system in about 2 months and I really cant justify spending money on a new card for this machine in the meantime, its just going to end up a MCSE study box for server OS's...
Im still surprised that the game runs asbadly as it does, it really doesnt scale very well, and I think Ubisoft are making a mistake doing this.
They are taking an already small market and making it even smaller with the harsh system requirements, alot of people wont go and get a new card for a game which scales 1024x768 with no AA. A patch to support other cards (as the box states) is too late the sales will have gone by then...
I think they will see an execive number of returns and less sales overall due to this and that hurts the series when the suits look at the numbers.
I am worried for this franchise, I hope Im wrong...
That being said Im going to return the game, untill I get my new machine, mabe it will be on special by then :)
cappy70
03-21-07, 10:38 AM
Yes,,I'm sorry to say that the 5xxx series (exception 5900) was a matter of fact many times singled out in many games as : "Not supported videocards" on the game box.
I find the game pretty tolerable on medium settings on a 128mb GeForce 6800.
One trick I use is keep the environmental effects (fog, water transparency etc.) turned off while actually playing but enabled for replays and just cruising. Lets me have a good frame rate when concentrating on my target, and a good viewing when taking in the scenery of it all :p
Spin Doctor
03-21-07, 11:27 AM
I have an AMD 2800+ Barton cpu (I think. Been awhile since I've looked at the specs) and GeForce 6600 Ultra which will run SH3 wth GWX 1.2 very smoothly on high settings. I have some stutter in port, so I use the light traffic mod. Out of port, everything looks fine and runs well.
I'm debating whether to even get SH4 at all because I am not going to upgrade my comp until Oleg Maddox's Battle of Britain comes out.
So my question is, will SH4 run at an acceptable level with moderate graphics set on my machine?
Thanks
DaMaGe007
03-21-07, 11:31 AM
I cant say for sure Spin Doctor, and you dont mention your ram (as long as you have a 1gig at least) your machine should run it acceptable imo.
You have a 6000 series card and they are supported.
other users may be able to give thier ideas too...
Yep environmental effects is a real fps killer , on my 6600 GT I have 10 fps but turned off I get 30+ fps.
Mud
SteamWake
03-21-07, 12:18 PM
It says geforce 6200 + on the box...
I have a 5700 256mb, p4 dualcore 2,8g and 1 gig of ram...and its unplayable...
Even on lowest settings...
Hrmmm arent you the same guy that is running it on Win2000 ?
DaMaGe007
03-21-07, 12:22 PM
yes, but others have mentioned it runsfine on win2k with a 6000 series graphics card, its not the OS.
This info is in the other thread which has moved off the page I think.
walsh2509
03-21-07, 01:18 PM
P4 2Ghz (no duel core)
1Gb DDR
GF6600GT
I run on MED settings, and while it takes time to load and in the 1st few minutes its very slow to jump station to station after it settles down I get about 20/25fps.
CT it does freeze at times but after about a minutes its ok, little blocks of slow down or freezing in CT.
Immacolata
03-21-07, 01:21 PM
It says geforce 6200 + on the box...
I have a 5700 256mb, p4 dualcore 2,8g and 1 gig of ram...and its unplayable...
Even on lowest settings...
Hrmmm arent you the same guy that is running it on Win2000 ?
Win2000 is just WinXP minus all the tardiness. For all intents and purposes the two os'es are similiar.
DaMaGe007
03-21-07, 01:23 PM
Probably not related but make sure you do a defrag, it will sometimes load files during the game and if the files are fragmented it can take longer to load them causing more stuttering or longer stutters...
I suspect part of the slowdowns is due to the 1gig of ram it probably pages a bit too.
Biggles
03-21-07, 01:29 PM
Wow, the 5700 card....I remember that one....
How long have you had it? I had it for 2 years, then it got fried. Useless piece of "gobbledygook" if you ask me.
now with my new computer, I have the BFG GF7950GT OC card. I think it will do fine with SH4, any confirmation on that? (2GB RAM too)
DaMaGe007
03-21-07, 01:31 PM
it was cheap I know that much lol...
I guess I have had it about 2 years aswell, apart from a noisy fan its still going strong.
2002-MOE
03-21-07, 02:15 PM
Although I still have yet to recieve the game I will be playing SH4 (hopefully) on an Intel D865PERL with a Northwood P4 3.0 800FSB socket 478, 1.5 GB of DDR1 PC3200 RAM and an ATI X800 Pro 256MB AGP.
For those of you holding on to your AGP systems (like me) I recommend you check this out if you are planning on doing some video card upgrades.
You can see a really nice review on these latest high-end AGP video card while running on older hardware like ours on the following Tom's Hardware reviews:
AGP Platform Analysis, Part 1: New Cards, Old System (http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/01/10/agp-platform-analysis/)
We see what the new generation of AGP cards can do for an Athlon XP 2500+
http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/01/10/agp-platform-analysis/
AGP Platform Analysis, Part 2: New Cards, Single-Core System (http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/02/01/agp-platform-analysis/)
We see what the new generation of AGP cards can do for an Athlon 64 3400+.
http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/02/01/agp-platform-analysis/
And here are some nice offers taht I found online:
The XFX GeForce 7600GT AGP 256MB GDDR $159.99 (will outperform a 6800 Ultra AGP)
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=321108 (http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=321108)
The SAPPHIRE Radeon X1950PRO 512MB GDDR3 AGP $224.99 (best AGP option at the moment)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102071
partyboy
03-21-07, 02:30 PM
I have a fairly old system, p4 3.0, 1gb, radeon x1300, and it runs pretty reasonably on my machine. On medium settings I get about 15-20fps outside. It can be a little choppy at the start of a patrol when I'm trying to look at the map (the lack of ram, I imagine) but it soon stabilizes and is pretty consistent for the rest of the game. I'm pleased. I thought it'd run much worse. And it loads faster than SH3.
Spin Doctor
03-21-07, 02:35 PM
Thanks for the replies to my question. I have a gig of kingston so I should be just ok in that department. I don't even know if my MB has room for 2 gigs of ram. Do they sell ram in 1 gig sticks now?
Also thanks to the above poster for the AGP vid card links. I was thinking of building a new machine (which I obviously haven't done in years) for Battle of Britain, but if I can get away with one more AGP vid card upgrade, I may just do that and move on with life.
My gaming these days is mostly sims and I don't have a whole lot of time for even that anymore. So if I can run the few games that I really like, then all is well. Most of the stuff developers are coming out with these days, I'm totally not interested in. Computer games and TV shows have the same MO. Find one thing that works then milk the crap out of it for as long as possible. Innovation is a non issue. So I tend to stick with the known developers.
martin1004
03-21-07, 02:42 PM
help! I ordered SH4 but id like to know if it really runs on my pc too lol
GF 7600GT
1 gig ram
amd 64 3500+ dualcore 2,2 ghz
??do i get a shooth gameplay?
XanderF
03-21-07, 02:47 PM
Thanks for the replies to my question. I have a gig of kingston so I should be just ok in that department. I don't even know if my MB has room for 2 gigs of ram. Do they sell ram in 1 gig sticks now?
Depends on the *type* of ram. "Regular" DDR has been available in 1gb sticks for a few years, now.
Indeed, DDR2 ram is available in 2gb sticks, allowing many motherboards to run 8gb of ram pretty easily.
They are taking an already small market and making it even smaller with the harsh system requirements, alot of people wont go and get a new card for a game which scales 1024x768 with no AA. A patch to support other cards (as the box states) is too late the sales will have gone by then...
Ummm...."harsh system requirements"??
You do realize new video card 'generations' are released on a 6-month schedule (more or less), right? The GeForce FX 5700 was released four years ago now - and it wasn't even the "high end" cards at the time! No offense, but in the PC world, that's practically a fossil. Heck, it won't even run the enchanced desktop in current version of WINDOWS. When your video card can't run *Windows*, you know it's old!
2002-MOE
03-21-07, 03:07 PM
I think those people running newer boards such as the late VIA AGP socket 939 motherboards should be fine as long as they are running good mid-range to high-end cards.
i'm not saying people with older hardware need to start freaking out but definately those of us that are still running 533/800FSB socket 478 CPUs as well as those running NForce2 AthlonXP CPUs may want to have some money ready for some future upgrade.
Like a fellow poster said, with age and a busy life you stop trying to play everything out there and just sticks to the "big boy games." If you're not playing the mainstream games then there isn't such a big necesity to upgrade anymore.
I don't give a rats ass if Crysis gets cancelled, but if woulda have been mighty pissed off if SH4 woulda have gone down the tubes.
Oh and your welcome for the AGP video card links. I hope they help you out.
9th_cow
03-21-07, 03:21 PM
It says geforce 6200 + on the box...
I have a 5700 256mb, p4 dualcore 2,8g and 1 gig of ram...and its unplayable...
Even on lowest settings...
i have a pooforce 6200 turbocache. i think its 256mb.
AMD athlon 64 3500 (1.8ghz)
1 gig ram.
i have enviromental effects on. maybe something else. my mouse sure wont fly across the screen like the one in the YOUTUBE vid, but apart from the ussuall start its fine.
on start up i hit the deck and do a 360 with the binos. all is fine after that.
lighting effects are the ultimate killer on my rig.
still looks nice and runs quite well indeed.
AVGWarhawk
03-21-07, 03:28 PM
It says geforce 6200 + on the box...
I have a 5700 256mb, p4 dualcore 2,8g and 1 gig of ram...and its unplayable...
Even on lowest settings...
i have a pooforce 6200 turbocache. i think its 256mb.
AMD athlon 64 3500 (1.8ghz)
1 gig ram.
i have enviromental effects on. maybe something else. my mouse sure wont fly across the screen like the one in the YOUTUBE vid, but apart from the ussuall start its fine.
on start up i hit the deck and do a 360 with the binos. all is fine after that.
lighting effects are the ultimate killer on my rig.
still looks nice and runs quite well indeed.
This makes me feel better. I have the 6200OC 256mb card. 1 gig ram and the AMD 3200+. With luck mine should run like yours. I plan on overclocking the card up some more:up: You can make a 6200 run like a 6600. Some of the 6200 cards 4 more pipelines can be opened for a total of 8 like the 6600 card.
So . . . you're using an old video card which is far inferior to the cheapest bottom end modern video card and is explicitly not supported, and then complaining the game doesn't run well?
DaMaGe007
03-21-07, 04:39 PM
Did you read the thread ? I think your misinterpreting the tone of my post.
I was letting people know how it runs on a less than stellar card, as alot of people on this forum say they dont have a super rig.
SharpShin
03-21-07, 05:46 PM
I have an old 9800pro and it runs great on medium settings. also I have a barton 2500+ overclocked to 2ghz even lol. and 1.5 gigs of pc3200 ram. That is far from stellar and I am pleased.
my machine is pretty crappy (AMD 2600+, radeon 9800 pro, 1 gig ram) and it runs decently well on slightly lowered settings from the default. I haven't run fraps yet, but it is certainly playable.
tater
2002-MOE
03-21-07, 06:25 PM
yeah I guess the thread title is a bit misleading but I guess people are just trying to share that their older rigs still run the game. :D
If a 9800 Pro runs fine on mid settings then i'm probably good to go with the X800 Pro AGP but I might also need to stick to medium settings.
viper771
03-21-07, 06:39 PM
Hey guys! Well I play most of my games on my laptop (its an 2 yr old alienware) since my desktop is tooo damn loud with all the fans it in (3 yr old alienware)... The laptop has a 3.02 GHZ pent 4 and 1 gig or ram.. but the vid card is an ATI mobility Radeon 9600/9700 series. I don't mind if my graphics are cranked up but I hope it just plays decent ya know.
For the record, alienwares kind of suck. Both of the ones I have owned crapped out within the first 3 months (laptops moboard died, main HD on desktop died). I wish I could update my vid card but as it is now, laptops don't make great game comps.. wayyy too much heat generated (which causes a lot of lock ups), can't really upgrade, etc etc. But I never had probs with SH3.
I can't wait til SH4 reaches the Power Zone on base here in Germany.. New stuff takes FOREVER to reach here... maybe by the time SH4 comes here, SH5 might be comming out back in the states :)
I have a 9800Pro as well. Low-medium settings are tolerable on open seas but when you're targeting ships it gets pretty sluggish so I'm going to order a EVGA 7600gt (CAN $125). Think I'll throw in that other gig of ram I have lying around as well. :smug:
bookworm_020
03-28-07, 09:40 PM
It says geforce 6200 + on the box...
I have a 5700 256mb, p4 dualcore 2,8g and 1 gig of ram...and its unplayable...
Even on lowest settings...
i have a pooforce 6200 turbocache. i think its 256mb.
AMD athlon 64 3500 (1.8ghz)
1 gig ram.
i have enviromental effects on. maybe something else. my mouse sure wont fly across the screen like the one in the YOUTUBE vid, but apart from the ussuall start its fine.
on start up i hit the deck and do a 360 with the binos. all is fine after that.
lighting effects are the ultimate killer on my rig.
still looks nice and runs quite well indeed.
This makes me feel better. I have the 6200OC 256mb card. 1 gig ram and the AMD 3200+. With luck mine should run like yours. I plan on overclocking the card up some more:up: You can make a 6200 run like a 6600. Some of the 6200 cards 4 more pipelines can be opened for a total of 8 like the 6600 card.
I have a P4 3.0ghz, 6200 256mb card and soon to be 2.5 gig of RAM (2gig being delivered as we speak)
I have a low profile AGP slot, which means I can't upgrade past this card:nope: It will hold me over for another 6 months, so I can then talk my then wife into leting me buy a new rig.
I don't expect it to run the game with all setting maxed out, But I do hope it will be playable. After all I meet the required specs for the game!:yep:
AMD 64 3500
2GB Ram
SETA Drives
Gainward
Bliss 7800GS + OC 512mb
Frame rate is stutter free and a solid 30 to 44 with all effects on.
:D
I have a 3.0GHz with 1 GB RAM. My video card is an ATI Radeon 9700 with 128MB. SH4 runs, but barely at the lowest settings. My card slot is an AGP 4x.
If I upgrade, will a 256MB card do the trick, or should I spend the extra money to get a 512MB card?
I have a 3.0GHz with 1 GB RAM. My video card is an ATI Radeon 9700 with 128MB. SH4 runs, but barely at the lowest settings. My card slot is an AGP 4x.
If I upgrade, will a 256MB card do the trick, or should I spend the extra money to get a 512MB card?
Depends on what kind of memory it is!
A 256mb card with DDR3 memory is much better than a card with 512mb of slower memory. I would recommend considering the memory speed, not just amount, as well.
Depends on what kind of memory it is!
A 256mb card with DDR3 memory is much better than a card with 512mb of slower memory. I would recommend considering the memory speed, not just amount, as well.
Thanks CCIP!
Are there any DDR3 cards that will work in a AGP 4x system?
I was thinking of one of these might work, but aren't they all DDR2?
Radeon X1650 PRO
Radeon X1300
GeForce 7600GT or GS
bookworm_020
03-29-07, 11:48 PM
Are there any DDR3 cards that will work in a AGP 4x system?
I was thinking of one of these might work, but aren't they all DDR2?
Radeon X1650 PRO
Radeon X1300
GeForce 7600GT or GS
Most AGP 8x cards work on a AGP 4x as they can handle the backwards step. Having the extra memory power won't mean a bigger jump as you hoped due to the different speeds of the slot.
Teh_Diplomat
03-30-07, 12:28 AM
Are there any DDR3 cards that will work in a AGP 4x system?
Hi klh,
Yes therey're are a few models of GPU's that have GDDR3 ram that are AGP version.
The X1950 (ATI) has 512mb,
and the 7800 GS(I just bought this one, as I also have AGP on my system) are both models that I know of off-hand that have type GDDR3 ram.
Below are links for at least a reference point.
(2)GeForce 7800 GDDR3
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=17695&vpn=BFGR78256GSOC&manufacture=BFG%20Technologies
(1)X1950 Pro
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=22764&vpn=H195PRF512DDAN-R&manufacture=HIS
(4)X1650 Pro
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=21098&vpn=88-8E04-02-SA&manufacture=SAPPHIRE
(3)X850 Pro
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=18555&vpn=6071&manufacture=Connect3D
I've numbered them in terms of best to worst. I don't really have the time to explain the differences in each as I'm short on time. But I may bump this in a few days to explain...maybe.
Hope you found that useful! :arrgh!:
vBulletin® v3.8.11, Copyright ©2000-2025, vBulletin Solutions Inc.