Who has cancelled their order!

[Reece]

Well after a lot of reading through "The SH4 Bug Thread" have decided to do the wisest thing at this point, cancelled my pre-paid order for SH4 collectors edition at EB, for AU$100 is not worth it for all the bugs it has, from very bad sound problems to CTD's trying to use stadimeter, men turning to paper thin 2D characters, convoys crossing the Japan mainland, chunky graphics, missions you can never complete!! etc etc!!!:down: Was so looking forward to this, what a huge disappointment!:cry::damn:

[stabiz]

I tried. :D Unfortunately I was too late, as the next morning I had a "Your order has been shipped" email. Oh, well.

[CCIP]

I personally find it silly to judge a game from a ragtag collection of others' reports, but suit yourself.

I think the problem is that those who like the game are too busy playing to post, leaving mostly the negative side exposed for now :p

[flintlock]

Not I.

I decided to go into battle, bloodied and all! Seriously though, sure it has bugs and perhaps unfinished in areas, but you know Ubi will patch it up and it will hopefully it shall continue to improve as time passes. If you try hard enough, you can find fault in anything. I say reorder it, load it up and enjoy it anyway. Life's too short to sweat the small stuff.

Regardless, good luck with your decision -- whatever it may be.

[Spaxspore]

nope, no game is perfect, thats what patchs and mods r for

[cappy70]

I cancelled my order from Amazon,,not to bug issues though,,( hey,,big time beta tester here:D ),,no I cancelled due to ridicoulse "pushed" forward delivery dates,,estimated new delivery date: 7 - 14 April....:down:

I have a Walmart Supercenter around the corner here and a Best Buy close...

[OneTinSoldier]

Nope. No game is perfect. But when it come to using deceptive practices, high resolutions upscaled from a low 1024x768 resolution(a first in the game industry), and then making it clear that they know they are deliverying the game in an unfinished state(promised units would be in the imperial system and metric 'might' be offered as an option) is where I draw the line.

I'm only listing the main reasons as to why I'm not giving them my money. If you want to see the myraid of bugs/problems with the game then please go through the other posts in the forum. I'm not going to make a big lengthy list here, someone else can if they want to.

To me they are making it very clear they want our money for an unfinished game. I don't like being lied to and I will not hand over my money to the Decepticons.

I had pre-ordered my copy from the Subsim link to Amazon but I canceled it once I learned that the higher resolutions that are advertised are only 'upscaled' from 1024x768... a first in the industry that says to me, "let's see what we can get away with".

Regards

[OneTinSoldier]

I want to add something... some folks might be wondering why somone like me would still be hanging around here. It's because I still hold out hope. For how long, I don't know.

But my hope is that Ubi will actually come out and say something! And of course I'm hoping that they will say that they will fix the resolutions to actually be what's advertised, instead of just upscaled. And that they promise to finish the game.

But alas:

They avoided the question about whether the game supported Anti-Aliasing prior to release. It's really a pretty simple question to answer. They could have shown some guts by answering it. But nope. And they certainly could have said something about the two issues I listed above by now. But no, they are in hiding, hoping that as many people will hand over their money before they explain that they will not be fixing these issues.

Decepticons I tell you. Where is Optimus Prime when we need him?

[flintlock]

I canceled it once I learned that the higher resolutions that are advertised are only 'upscaled' from 1024x768... a first in the industry that says to me, "let's see what we can get away with". I can certainly appreciate your frustration on this point. I still don't have the game, so I'll judge this for myself once I can test it. Though from what I've read, this has got to be, by far, the single largest gripe many people have with SH4 thus far. With any luck, hopefully this may get sorted out in time.

I remain hopeful that there is some bug or other underlying issue at work here.

[Spaxspore]

Nope. No game is perfect. But when it come to using deceptive practices, high resolutions upscaled from a low 1024x768 resolution(a first in the game industry), and then making it clear that they know they are deliverying the game in an unfinished state(promised units would be in the imperial system and metric 'might' be offered as an option) is where I draw the line.

I'm only listing the main reasons as to why I'm not giving them my money. If you want to see the myraid of bugs/problems with the game then please go through the other posts in the forum. I'm not going to make a big lengthy list here, someone else can if they want to.

To me they are making it very clear they want our money for an unfinished game. I don't like being lied to and I will not hand over my money to the Decepticons.

I had pre-ordered my copy from the Subsim link to Amazon but I canceled it once I learned that the higher resolutions that are advertised are only 'upscaled' from 1024x768... a first in the industry that says to me, "let's see what we can get away with".

Regards

Still looks pretty damn good for upscaled graphics...


http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/7965/sh42007032020320240mz8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

pic still dont give it justice, my bro was watchin me play, in that scene and he said it looked like a painting.

[flintlock]

Upscaled or otherwise, I'll concede that is a nice image.

[stabiz]

The sea does, but the sub doesnt.

[Ducimus]

I preordered, and am keepiing that preoder for one,... no.. two very simple reasons:


1.) I like sub sims.

2.) Im so burnt out on SH3, the degree of this burnout defy's all description. For me, there is no place to move, but forward with Sh4. I will deal with the bugs while i wait patiently for a patch or two, and maybe even flavor the game to my taste .

[Spaxspore]

I preordered, and am keepiing that preoder for one,... no.. two very simple reasons:


1.) I like sub sims.

2.) Im so burnt out on SH3, the degree of this burnout defy's all description. For me, there is no place to move, but forward with Sh4. I will deal with the bugs while i wait patiently for a patch or two, and maybe even flavor the game to my taste .

thats how i feel as well, sims ... let alone sub sim are very rare, because they take a lot more brains then those shot em up games. Less people have the patience for them. But i love them ever since i came across sh2 by mistake at a local walmart.

So yea am goin to support them, of course the product isnt 100%, but its close, with a patch here and there it will be up to snuff. Dont count them out yet.

[Onkel Neal]

As I get more familair with SH4, I'm liking it more and more. We should here about a patch soon that will fix the major issues. SH3, SH2, SH1 all had bugs and unfinished features and were upgraded and patched. :yep: Don't any of you fellows remember the sub vs sub and rescue pilot missions that were in the SH1 manual but not in the game, until they released the Patrol disc #1?

Hey, it comes down to one thing: how much you like submarine games. To hell with Ubisoft's politics and promises, just gimme the game.

On another note, with Elite Hunter's help, I got this baby uploaded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EoyadhXrVI) :rock:

[Meco]

Put a deposit on SHIV at the local game store. Will arrive Friday 23rd.

I will buy it as intended, but I think I may just wait to install it untill I see a patch released to avoid the frustrations im reading about.

:roll:

I really am not in any rush to play SHIV.. to have it yes.. to play it.. not really. I am currently imersed in another game atm that is pretty open ended, and of a more galactic nature.

http://www.egosoft.com/games/x3/info_en.php

So ill buy SHIV, ill set it asside and keep an eye on these forums and wait for a patch. With luck I suspect a patch will be out mid June.

There is life beyond SHIV, I don't plan to entertain feelings of anamosity over it, nor will I cancel my order of SHIV. Gota support the devs for that golden patch.

:up:

[OneTinSoldier]

Nice pic. But I can see that I would be facing shimmering and jaggies, which to me, personally, I'm not speaking for anyone but myself... I find unacceptable in a sim made in the year 2007.


Now, if the game actually delivered a 3D rendering at 1600x1200 on my system, and not upscaled from 1024x768, then it would help towards reducing the shimmering/jaggies, which are especially pronounced with distant objects. Although an actual, real, higher res wouldn't totally alleviate the jaggies and shimmering it would help and I would be willing to purchase the game, if it were real!

But I have been convinced it's not and that the advertised higher resolutions are faked by being upscaled from 1024x768 by the evidence and testimony that's been presented on the forum here. To me, upscaling from 1024x768 is a practice in deception, a lie, a cheat. I for one am taking a stand against this and Voting 'NO' by voicing my protest here on the forum and with my wallet.

If evidence and testimony comes forth showing that the higher resolutions are in fact 'real' and not just upscaled, then I apologize. If that happens and if they promise to finish the game, then I will likely purchase it.

[flintlock]

I got this baby uploaded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EoyadhXrVI)
Nice video. Thanks for sharing that!

I was getting a little sea sick as you were IDing that first ship with the recognition manual. Now that's immersion! ;)

[nvdrifter]

Hey everyone, don't cancel so fast. Some great mods are being released for SH4 as we speak (check out the SH4 mod forum). SH4 will get better after a few patches. Don't worry so much about the jagged lines. Gameplay is more important anyways. The modders will once again save SH4 from a certain death. :cool:

[OneTinSoldier]

As I get more familair with SH4, I'm liking it more and more. We should here about a patch soon that will fix the major issues. SH3, SH2, SH1 all had bugs and unfinished features and were upgraded and patched. :yep: Don't any of you fellows remember the sub vs sub and rescue pilot missions that were in the SH1 manual but not in the game, until they released the Patrol disc #1?

Hey, it comes down to one thing: how much you like submarine games. To hell with Ubisoft's politics and promises, just gimme the game.

On another note, with Elite Hunter's help, I got this baby uploaded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EoyadhXrVI) :rock:
Wel Neal, I can understand and empathize with your exuberant enthusiasm. But you have asked/said yourself when will we customers stop accepting bug-ridden, unfinished at release games? You said you don't know.

Well I know.

I draw the line at being deceived about the higher resolutions advertised in the game. Obviously, where people draw the line is entirely up to them. For me, it's this kind of deception.

And as long as people are willing to hand over money for bug-ridden, unfinished software, then I'm sure that companies will be will happy to oblige. That much I'm so sure of that I feel safe in saying, I know. However, things might change if customers stop doing that! I don't want to see an end to the Silent Hunter series, but I don't want to be handed unfinished work for my money and be made to feel I should be thankful and happy for it.

Although some might be fine with getting whatever they deliver because "it's all we have, there is no other competition/choice". That's fine. But I think people should know what they're getting though, and from what I hear and see, not only is SHIV unpolished, it's unfinished!

Should we be happy about that?

[Spaxspore]

this photo recon crap is gettin annoyin... no one else has done it?

[d@rk51d3]

The sea does, but the sub doesnt.

Ditto. Been watching a couple of in game vids, and it looks like all the effort went into the water effects. Everything else looks nice, as long as youre not focusing on it. Still, I'll probably end up rushing out and buying it. Either that or STALKER.:hmm:

[Reece]

Neal Said:
As I get more familair with SH4, I'm liking it more and more. We should here about a patch soon that will fix the major issues. SH3, SH2, SH1 all had bugs and unfinished features and were upgraded and patched. :yep: Don't any of you fellows remember the sub vs sub and rescue pilot missions that were in the SH1 manual but not in the game, until they released the Patrol disc #1?

Hey, it comes down to one thing: how much you like submarine games. To hell with Ubisoft's politics and promises, just gimme the game.

You have no idea Neal as to the amount of time, nail chewing, pacing floor, reading threads, spent on this one game.:damn: I value your input as well as a lot of others and this just makes it even more frustrating!:oops: ... What to do ... what to do!
Would you believe me if I said I phoned back to replace the order as it turns out the collectors edition is not due in till the 23rd!!:hmm:
Lucky they had done nothing yet!:) or is it!:88):doh::roll::dead:

[geetrue]

Way to go Reece ... welcome back ... if I had a whistle I would pipe you back on board ... :lol:

Were all in the same boat so to speak ... now that's funny if you think about it. :rotfl:

[cappy70]

Nice video Neal,,teased me even more.....

I say again,I've been into sooo many debates about videocards and tech. stats of AA, resolutions, drivers, and final stats of games.
I played SH3 to "death" and it is still on my HD and patch/GWX it gave new breath into the game and it became like a "reborn" game, again although, I don't remember that many disasters with the original not-patched SH3,,yes,granted there were some annoying bugs that need to be fixed, but hey, where are we today with SH3?

Now I'll take this to the tech.level: When it comes to graphic cards one can see these similar "game-software-debates" hit "videocard-hardware-debates": TO MUCH JAGGIES with my videocard; This videocard is a disaster and soooo on.

My point is: All of us in here with so many different PC configs. can for sure produce as many different effects/bugs/none-wanted-effects in a game as we can ask for and blame the game to some extent, but how our computer look like inside/config is another thing, housekeeping, etc,etc,.

Like the other day: I had a USB port in front of my computer that was faulty and it produced stuttering in games when it installed my new keyboard.
Clean out the closed CAB files and you'll see what magic that does,,,,use a program called "Ace Utility". FreeRegistryFix I can also recommend.

Basic game problems is one thing that shows up over and over again from different configs.
I.e. r e a l BUGS.....................

[Der Kolkrabe]

I'm waiting my SHIV and don't cancelled it.

There been always games, that when published they have bugs...

[TDK1044]

I will continue to support the Silent Hunter series by purchasing each new addition to the series. Do I think these games should be in a healthier state at the time of release...absolutely, but Silent Hunter 3 patched to 1.4 and moderately modded was quite superb in my view.

The only person you're punishing by not buying the game is yourself. Ubisoft are not going to worry at all if a handfull of people in the subsim forums (and that's all it would be) choose not to purchase the game on a point of principle. That's your choice and I respect it, but it's also your loss. You don't improve a game by not buying it, nor does a handful of people not buying Silent Hunter 4 in any way influence Ubisoft's decision regarding Silent Hunter 5. The game either meets its projected sales target or it doesn't.

[piperprinx]

I could have lived with 1024 *but* with AA.
I could have lived wuthout AA *but* with higher resolution.
Resolution stuck on 1024 without AA is IMHO a commercial suicide in 2007.

In my 27" 1920*1200 display SH4 is simply HUGLY. And I'm not only playing next gen titles, I used to play with recent re-release of Close combat or emulators too.

Probably on CRT or LCD with lower resolution the situation it's not so terrible.

Mine's going back.

[LIGHTNING]

I just got my copy this morning and I admit I have only played it for about an hour or so but so far I`m impressed. I`m running it at 1440x960 and It looks stunning, I think some people need to take some pills regarding this AA issue! The rocks and the algae give the ocean a more organic feel and the sailors onboard the ships again help with the immersion. As for the bugs pretty much every game that is released these days has bugs at launch time. If I returned every game I bought a launch time that had bugs all I would have to play is Freecell and minesweeper.

[RocketDog]

I cancelled my order once I realised it was going to be stuck in 1024x768 with no FSAA.

Re: bugs, any new release is bound to have bugs. All the games I really enjoy have had serious bugs on release. But in the simulation market I think we all now accept this and are prepared to wait for things to get fixed by the developers or user community. Nobody should not buy a sim because of bugs. But there's an important difference between IL-2/SH3/Lock-On/FS2004 etc and SH4. With SH4 it's not clear that the resolution and FSAA issues actually are bugs (i.e., unintended) or that they are even fixable at all. Maybe a dll hack can change the resolution or maybe not. In fact, the simple dishonesty of the devs about the resolution suggests that they know they have a problem.

So for the moment I will just play SH3-GWX and watch the SH4 forums here to see if the problems get cleared up.

Of course, in the end I'll probably crack and buy it anyway :-?.

Cheers,

RD.

[TDK1044]

I just got my copy this morning and I admit I have only played it for about an hour or so but so far I`m impressed. I`m running it at 1440x960 and It looks stunning, I think some people need to take some pills regarding this AA issue! The rocks and the algae give the ocean a more organic feel and the sailors onboard the ships again help with the immersion. As for the bugs pretty much every game that is released these days has bugs at launch time. If I returned every game I bought a launch time that had bugs all I would have to play is Freecell and minesweeper.

Excellent post. How do you find the difference between running the game with the Hollywood filter on and off?

[RDDR]

I was going to offer my two cents on some of the comments on this thread this early AM, but as I'm just a newbie on this forum...... who has pre ordered, and who has seen this kind of behavior more than once with the release of a new Sim,So....I'm just going to pour another cup of this fine grind ,paste a :cool:, clean up , throw my guitars in the back of my Wrangler and head up the coast to the studio.. (MY JOB) ,and put all this right out of my head until my copy shows up on my desk in a few days.

All this negativity almost tripped me up a few minutes ago when I started to read these threads, but I'm OK now and fully awake and choosing a much better reality for "Myself":up: today
Some of you guys just have to lighten up on yourselves.Dont forget we only get to do all this once.:D .

[ACSoft]

I will continue to support the Silent Hunter series by purchasing each new addition to the series. Do I think these games should be in a healthier state at the time of release...absolutely, but Silent Hunter 3 patched to 1.4 and moderately modded was quite superb in my view.

The only person you're punishing by not buying the game is yourself. Ubisoft are not going to worry at all if a handfull of people in the subsim forums (and that's all it would be) choose not to purchase the game on a point of principle. That's your choice and I respect it, but it's also your loss. You don't improve a game by not buying it, nor does a handful of people not buying Silent Hunter 4 in any way influence Ubisoft's decision regarding Silent Hunter 5. The game either meets its projected sales target or it doesn't.

Oh boy, I cannot believe a subsim moderator can write this :down: :down: :down:

ACS

[Reyern]

All the whining about the game made me go to the store and buy the game straight away and not wait for a patch as I intended.

[TDK1044]

I will continue to support the Silent Hunter series by purchasing each new addition to the series. Do I think these games should be in a healthier state at the time of release...absolutely, but Silent Hunter 3 patched to 1.4 and moderately modded was quite superb in my view.

The only person you're punishing by not buying the game is yourself. Ubisoft are not going to worry at all if a handfull of people in the subsim forums (and that's all it would be) choose not to purchase the game on a point of principle. That's your choice and I respect it, but it's also your loss. You don't improve a game by not buying it, nor does a handful of people not buying Silent Hunter 4 in any way influence Ubisoft's decision regarding Silent Hunter 5. The game either meets its projected sales target or it doesn't.

Oh boy, I cannot believe a subsim moderator can write this :down: :down: :down:

ACS

Being a Moderator here has nothing to do with expressing a pesonal opinion. If you disagree, I respect that.

I understand the argument regarding FSAA, and I undertsand that people are not impressed with the upscaling resolution issue and feel that there are too many bugs in the release version of the game. I'd rather keep supporting the franchise and try and improve things that way rather than simply not buying the game.

[Hitman]

Oh boy, I cannot believe a subsim moderator can write this :down: :down: :down:


No? Well, then here goes another (me): I will support and buy any future submarine simulations, no matter if they come from UBI or from another company :smug:.

Why? Because submarine simulations are rare, and companies venturing into them even more rarer. And if they do not get some sells and support, they will never think of doing further -hopefully better- titles. Think of it like this: To get a good soccer game from EA Sports you just need one release. To get a good submarine simulation, you need sometimes many releases. That reflects the extra cost of developing products with lower sales figures. But still better than anything.

And let me end by saying something else: If you want the perfect, bugfree submarine simulation of the Pacific War, you are a lucky man. You can get for 10$ SH1 on e-bay right now. Want the fancy SH4 graphics also? Then bit the bullet and support SH4 making constructive critizism and buying a copy. In the end of the day, SH4 will be fixed and we all will be having tons of fun, that's for sure.

And anyway, all you guys who want to cancel the order are in fact experimenting the hardcore realism of the Pacific Campaign in the early years: Frustration. So it seems that in the end SH4 is for you all in fact a good and true-to-life simulation, isn't it? ;)

[Iron Budokan]

As I get more familair with SH4, I'm liking it more and more. We should here about a patch soon that will fix the major issues.

Well, I trust Neal. If he says he's liking it then there must be elements to the game that overshadow the list of bugs so far.

I'm willing to wait for the patches....

[Uber Gruber]

I have to agree with Ducimus and Hitman on this one. I've not ordered the game as i'm happy enough to pop down to the local shop and buy it when it appears on the shelf, but I have been following these SHIV early reactions closely.

I've a very fast PC that I built myself - with excellent graphic capabilities so i'm disapointed with UBI, or rather their marketing smucks (why are marketing people so un-evolved, just look at the ads on TV and its pretty obvious a bull frog could do a better job). But I'm confident this will be fixed/patched/modded at some stage soon - by developers.

I'm not that interested in the Pacific War, much prefering the Atlantic War, but i've played SH3 to death and just can't bear the thought of loading it up anymore. Its the game i've played the longest in my 25 years of gaming but now the thought of it breaks me out into a sweat - I need something new and SH4 will be it.

So i'll pick it up, put it through its paces, hone my manual targeting skills and then wait for the patches and mods to make the game enjoyable.

As Hitman said, we should support Sub Sim game developments if only to maintain the market. And who knows, perhapps someone oneday will pick up SHI and add a graphic engine to it. :up:

Cheers.....

[Spaxspore]

Oh boy, I cannot believe a subsim moderator can write this :down: :down: :down:

No? Well, then here goes another (me): I will support and buy any future submarine simulations, no matter if they come from UBI or from another company :smug:.

Why? Because submarine simulations are rare, and companies venturing into them even more rarer. And if they do not get some sells and support, they will never think of doing further -hopefully better- titles.

that was what i was trying to convay earlier in this thread, guess no one read it :)

[Kumando]

I think the main point here is if they didint finished SH3 till date(wolpacks etc), why do you guys think they will bother to finish Sh4?

[OneTinSoldier]

Well sorry guys(Uber Gruber, Hitman and TDK1044), but I disagree. Not that I want to see Sub Simulations come to end, but I think a fellow should support quality products with his hard earned money, not just any old poop that's put into a box.

Worrying about Silent Hunter series coming to an end eh? Well, it's realy a shame it doesn't have any competition. That allows Ubi to dish out whatever they want, even an unfinished game, not just some as usual expected bugs... but an unfinished game/sim, knowing some(possibly even many thousands of) people will buy it NO MATTER WHAT.

Or am I missing something here? Is there, at some point, you would consider it to be so bad that you would not consider it to be worthy of purchasing?

[DaMaGe007]

Im returning mine, due to reasons stated in another thread (waiting on a new machine to run it acceptably), I will pick it up again later if the patch it properly this time.
If they walk away like they did with sh3 I may pass altogether.

[cappy70]

I say again,,I cancelled my order due to Amazon "forever" delivery,,pushed back to mid-April (7-14th)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! in my case (several others got the same effect from Amazon).

As I wrote in in another post I'm picking up my game tomorrow,,22nd,,little bit of difference between that and Amazon est. delivery.

BTW,,I'm going to "slam" all settings to high in my rig and see what happens :)

[Sturat]

I received a delivery confirmation at 10:12 this AM. I can't wait to get home and start playing. I bought SH3 when it first came out and loved it; even better after the patch. :sunny: To all the complainers I say its your loss. From the ingame vids posted earlier and the screenshots that I've seen, I looks perfectly playable to me.

[kiwi_2005]

There is no way i am going to cancel my order. I dont care if its got bugs i dont care if it CTD. Im going to get SHIV!:yep:

On another note i rang up the local PC store where i pre-ordered the game, i ask him has he heard anything about SHIV yet. He tells me his distributor has 3 games on hold, sorry mate but im a bit in debt and can't send the money till a few days once i send the money the games will be sent to the store.

What does he mean once he sends the money, he should already have the blardy money i paid for the blardy pre-order weeks ago!!!

Im telling ya he better not stuff it up or hes gonna wish he wasn't born!:arrgh!: I'll give him 3 days, if no ph call about whats happening im heading down to pay him a visit. Mafia style...;)

so far i still have faith in my pc store but its running on low. :shifty:

[Spaxspore]

I say again,,I cancelled my order due to Amazon "forever" delivery,,pushed back to mid-April (7-14th)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! in my case (several others got the same effect from Amazon).



BTW,,I'm going to "slam" all settings to high in my rig and see what happens :)
What happens???? This is what happens-

On a 8800gtx

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/2650/sh42007032020300961tx3.jpg

[cappy70]

thanx,,,,:up:

looks greeeaatt:)

[tommyk]

Wel Neal, I can understand and empathize with your exuberant enthusiasm. But you have asked/said yourself when will we customers stop accepting bug-ridden, unfinished at release games? You said you don't know.

Well I know.

I draw the line at being deceived about the higher resolutions advertised in the game. Obviously, where people draw the line is entirely up to them. For me, it's this kind of deception.

And as long as people are willing to hand over money for bug-ridden, unfinished software, then I'm sure that companies will be will happy to oblige. That much I'm so sure of that I feel safe in saying, I know. However, things might change if customers stop doing that! I don't want to see an end to the Silent Hunter series, but I don't want to be handed unfinished work for my money and be made to feel I should be thankful and happy for it.

Although some might be fine with getting whatever they deliver because "it's all we have, there is no other competition/choice". That's fine. But I think people should know what they're getting though, and from what I hear and see, not only is SHIV unpolished, it's unfinished!

Should we be happy about that?

Thank you for writing this. I agree fully, although Part of me is sad that I canceled my SuperDuperEdition but my personal decision is: I am not willing to accept such a unfinished product...

[Meerkat154]

Nice pic. But I can see that I would be facing shimmering and jaggies, which to me, personally, I'm not speaking for anyone but myself... I find unacceptable in a sim made in the year 2007.


Now, if the game actually delivered a 3D rendering at 1600x1200 on my system, and not upscaled from 1024x768, then it would help towards reducing the shimmering/jaggies, which are especially pronounced with distant objects. Although an actual, real, higher res wouldn't totally alleviate the jaggies and shimmering it would help and I would be willing to purchase the game, if it were real!

But I have been convinced it's not and that the advertised higher resolutions are faked by being upscaled from 1024x768 by the evidence and testimony that's been presented on the forum here. To me, upscaling from 1024x768 is a practice in deception, a lie, a cheat. I for one am taking a stand against this and Voting 'NO' by voicing my protest here on the forum and with my wallet.

If evidence and testimony comes forth showing that the higher resolutions are in fact 'real' and not just upscaled, then I apologize. If that happens and if they promise to finish the game, then I will likely purchase it.

Major Newb here and enjoy these forums :)

I also just cancelled my order...but will most likley re-order once the major issues have been resolved. I have to agree to release a game in 2007 with 1024x768 "upscaled" output is not acceptable. I'm using the Dell 24 inch widescreen which runs perfectly on many of the recent titles and I'm not about to run SH4 at 1024x768. One of the reasons why I was excited about SH4 was the higher resolutions that were reported to be in the final release. I'm concerned that the graphics rendering limitations are related to the engine and there will be no "easy fix" from Ubisoft for this issue without re-writing the entire rendering engine.

The second concern is the reports on users reporting that SH4 fells more like a "shooter" with less simulation. Can anyone comment on this? I suspect this can be resolved via modding.

Just my opinion - from all the issues reported so far - I'm under the impression this product was rushed to the market. Let's hope the patches will resolve the glaring issues.

Oh well - back to SH3 for now. Don't mind the 1024x768 there - game is a few years old now :up:
-Meerkat

[Biggs[CV]]

The thing that gets me about people cancelling their orders is this: The game will be patched, probably 3-4 times at least. UBI knows there are bugs and they are planning to fix them. Get the game, play it a bit, get a feel for it. Get some experiance. Wait for the patches. It'll get better.

[The General]

I will continue to support the Silent Hunter series by purchasing each new addition to the series. Do I think these games should be in a healthier state at the time of release...absolutely, but Silent Hunter 3 patched to 1.4 and moderately modded was quite superb in my view.

The only person you're punishing by not buying the game is yourself. Ubisoft are not going to worry at all if a handfull of people in the subsim forums (and that's all it would be) choose not to purchase the game on a point of principle. That's your choice and I respect it, but it's also your loss. You don't improve a game by not buying it, nor does a handful of people not buying Silent Hunter 4 in any way influence Ubisoft's decision regarding Silent Hunter 5. The game either meets its projected sales target or it doesn't.100% correct. :up: Go back and look at that image in Post #10. How can you look at that and not wanna buy this game?

[TDK1044]

Well sorry guys(Uber Gruber, Hitman and TDK1044), but I disagree. Not that I want to see Sub Simulations come to end, but I think a fellow should support quality products with his hard earned money, not just any old poop that's put into a box.

Worrying about Silent Hunter series coming to an end eh? Well, it's realy a shame it doesn't have any competition. That allows Ubi to dish out whatever they want, even an unfinished game, not just some as usual expected bugs... but an unfinished game/sim, knowing some(possibly even many thousands of) people will buy it NO MATTER WHAT.

Or am I missing something here? Is there, at some point, you would consider it to be so bad that you would not consider it to be worthy of purchasing?


I think what you're missing is that the reason there isn't any competition is because there isn't that much money to be made producing sub sims. These games attract a predominantly older demographic, and they are PC based games in a world where the large market share is in console based games. The budget and production schedule allocated to a game like Silent Hunter 4 reflects that fact.

Accepting the fact that because of production schedule and cost restraints you're not going to get a bug free game which satisfies you, would you rather have a game that's buggy at release, but which can be patched and modded to make it a great game like SH3, or would you rather have no game at all?

Because if SH4 doesn't meet its sale projection and out sell Silent Hunter 3, that's exactly what's going to happen. And if anyone here thinks that another company will then step in and start making bug free WWII sub sims, having watched Ubisoft fail, then you're living in cloud cukoo land.

Companies produce games to make money. When a game stops making money, they stop making it. What good is all the talent present on this Forum if there's no game for us to play and mod?

So my personal view, which has nothing to do with being a Moderator, is please support the Silent Hunter franchise.

[U-139]

Cancelled my order yesterday. Going to wait and see what happens with the res issue. Too many other verifiably good games out there that I haven't tried yet...$50 is just too much for this game in it's current condition.

[geetrue]

No? Well, then here goes another (me): I will support and buy any future submarine simulations, no matter if they come from UBI or from another company :smug:.

Why? Because submarine simulations are rare, and companies venturing into them even more rarer. And if they do not get some sells and support, they will never think of doing further -hopefully better- titles. Think of it like this: To get a good soccer game from EA Sports you just need one release. To get a good submarine simulation, you need sometimes many releases. That reflects the extra cost of developing products with lower sales figures. But still better than anything.

And let me end by saying something else: If you want the perfect, bugfree submarine simulation of the Pacific War, you are a lucky man. You can get for 10$ SH1 on e-bay right now. Want the fancy SH4 graphics also? Then bit the bullet and support SH4 making constructive critizism and buying a copy. In the end of the day, SH4 will be fixed and we all will be having tons of fun, that's for sure.

And anyway, all you guys who want to cancel the order are in fact experimenting the hardcore realism of the Pacific Campaign in the early years: Frustration. So it seems that in the end SH4 is for you all in fact a good and true-to-life simulation, isn't it? ;)

I give this post an "A" ... Come on readers of these post ... why did you spend so much time in here anyway ... join the movement for better sub sims ... together we can make a difference saying we care ... you think with holding your sale will change Ubi's mind ... I don't think so ...

More hope in purchasing the game and sending our complaints than not purchasing the game and sending your complaints ... this isn't Vitenam ... Jane Fonda is not going to come to your rescue lol

EA is not going to pick up the ball and show Ubi how to do it ... they have problems of their own you know. Right now SH4 is all we have ... go for it or cash out and miss out on the best movement of people (modders) a sub sim has ever seen. :smug:

Besides all that when I look at a beautiful woman ... :yep:

I don't care about her jaggies :lol:

[Seminole]

For those of you thinking to cancel their Amazon preorder then ordering from UBISoft...a heads up.

I preordered from UbiSoft with 2nd day deliveryand the order still has not shipped.....March 21st.

I still have no idea when it will ship....so for what its worth...I can't say you will be better off to order directly from Ubisoft.

Could be the best option might be to download direct if you are really eager to play. I'm not going to do so because I am content to wait and let the mods come in.

Maybe in the long run it is a positive thing for subsims fans that orders have exceeded manufacturing expectations. A SH5????

Edit: I just now received an e-mail confirmation that SHIV shipped yesterday and will arrive tomorrow March 22....so I guess they ,at UbiSoft,are on track with their shipping schedules but behind in their notifications...which is ok with me.

[ryuzu]

I will continue to support the Silent Hunter series by purchasing each new addition to the series. Do I think these games should be in a healthier state at the time of release...absolutely, but Silent Hunter 3 patched to 1.4 and moderately modded was quite superb in my view.

The only person you're punishing by not buying the game is yourself. Ubisoft are not going to worry at all if a handfull of people in the subsim forums (and that's all it would be) choose not to purchase the game on a point of principle. That's your choice and I respect it, but it's also your loss. You don't improve a game by not buying it, nor does a handful of people not buying Silent Hunter 4 in any way influence Ubisoft's decision regarding Silent Hunter 5. The game either meets its projected sales target or it doesn't.100% correct. :up: Go back and look at that image in Post #10. How can you look at that and not wanna buy this game?

This attitude is exactly why Ubi will continue to screw the sub sim community with buggy releases. They know that many people are only swayed by graphics - many purchasers aren't really in it for the simulation, just some nice pictures (for evidence of this, just look at the posts from last week with people dribbling over screenshots but not caring about missing features).

For me, the graphics are largely irrelevant - the SH3 graphics were more than sufficient. What is relevant, is having an advance in the simulation depth. SH4 is not an advance and with the various bugs, as a simulation and as a quality product, it is poor.

If you want to spend lots of money on a graphics tech demo, then that's fine, but don't claim this policy will in some way protect the sub sim market - it will in fact simply erode it further.

r.

[ryuzu]

']The thing that gets me about people cancelling their orders is this: The game will be patched, probably 3-4 times at least. UBI knows there are bugs and they are planning to fix them. Get the game, play it a bit, get a feel for it. Get some experiance. Wait for the patches. It'll get better.

The problem is that you are making some big assumptions. Firstly you assume Ubi will provide a patch - so far there has been no statement to that effect. Secondly you assume that "someone else" will provide mods, again there is no confirmation of that.

Ubi may well know there are bugs, whether it's worth patching them is a different matter entirely.

Until something official is written (or better released) then there are no guarantees (having said that, even the README refers to a patch release!:rotfl: ).

r.

[FIREWALL]

Are you crazy !!!!! My fedex tracking says it's in the truck cruzin my area. The one's that say they canceled there order are going to be the big losers not UBI.:rotfl:

[OneTinSoldier]

I think what you're missing is that the reason there isn't any competition is because there isn't that much money to be made producing sub sims. These games attract a predominantly older demographic, and they are PC based games in a world where the large market share is in console based games. The budget and production schedule allocated to a game like Silent Hunter 4 reflects that fact.

Accepting the fact that because of production schedule and cost restraints you're not going to get a bug free game which satisfies you, would you rather have a game that's buggy at release, but which can be patched and modded to make it a great game like SH3, or would you rather have no game at all?

Because if SH4 doesn't meet its sale projection and out sell Silent Hunter 3, that's exactly what's going to happen. And if anyone here thinks that another company will then step in and start making bug free WWII sub sims, having watched Ubisoft fail, then you're living in cloud cukoo land.

Companies produce games to make money. When a game stops making money, they stop making it. What good is all the talent present on this Forum if there's no game for us to play and mod?

So my personal view, which has nothing to do with being a Moderator, is please support the Silent Hunter franchise.

Hi TDK1044,

I just want to say you seem like a very nice guy. I certainly understand your point of view and concerns. I am standing my ground for now though and I hope you can understand and respect that. If Ubi make things right(no cheating on the resolution of the 3D world) then I will most likely change my mind about buying the game.

Thank you for your reply and I hope you enjoy being a moderator, even when you have to put up with guys like me. ;)

Cheers

[ACSoft]

I will continue to support the Silent Hunter series by purchasing each new addition to the series. Do I think these games should be in a healthier state at the time of release...absolutely, but Silent Hunter 3 patched to 1.4 and moderately modded was quite superb in my view.

The only person you're punishing by not buying the game is yourself. Ubisoft are not going to worry at all if a handfull of people in the subsim forums (and that's all it would be) choose not to purchase the game on a point of principle. That's your choice and I respect it, but it's also your loss. You don't improve a game by not buying it, nor does a handful of people not buying Silent Hunter 4 in any way influence Ubisoft's decision regarding Silent Hunter 5. The game either meets its projected sales target or it doesn't.

Oh boy, I cannot believe a subsim moderator can write this :down: :down: :down:

ACS

Being a Moderator here has nothing to do with expressing a pesonal opinion. If you disagree, I respect that.

I understand the argument regarding FSAA, and I undertsand that people are not impressed with the upscaling resolution issue and feel that there are too many bugs in the release version of the game. I'd rather keep supporting the franchise and try and improve things that way rather than simply not buying the game.

I don't care on which side you are, personnaly, in this debate. What I disagree is that a moderator of this forum don't stay neutral, even if you claim now to express your personnal opinion. The fact is: you come in this thread to say what your are saying, under you official moderator label and not under an other anonymous label.

And now, one of your collegue come to help you singing the same song and an other one, in an other thread the same.

Like I said already in the other thread, I start to think more and more that Ubisoft is sponsoring Subsim.

ACS

[DaMaGe007]

You have to remember that moderators were once users like us and they dont sign on to subsim policy of suporting games in particular.
They are given privlages to control users due to thier record over time on the forum.

They dont magicly lose thier opinions when they become a mod, and they tend to be suportive of sub titled despite bugs ect because otherwise they wont be a mod here at all due to the forum disapearing cos of lack of games.

I dont expect Mods to be impartial unless they are moderating a dispute.

[Hitman]

What I disagree is that a moderator of this forum don't stay neutral, even if you claim now to express your personnal opinion. The fact is: you come in this thread to say what your are saying, under you official moderator label and not under an other anonymous label.

And now, one of your collegue come to help you singing the same song and an other one, in an other thread the same.

Like I said already in the other thread, I start to think more and more that Ubisoft is sponsoring Subsim.

ACS

A moderator is not a judge making a trial, it is a user with certain prerrogatives to help keep the discussions civil. We moderators do not settle the questions, do not make final trials or decissions that are imposed to everyone. We simply try to prevent insulting, harrassing, posting prohibited contents and other acts againts the web's official policy. When we express opinions we are not doing it under the "moderator" label. The moderator label is used to delete forbidden contents, lock threads that get out of control and such, and as far as I know, none of this actions has been performed against you.

I respect your point of view, and understand it, just as I defend mine, and all comments done have been in an attempt to steer the discussions towards a more positive feedback and attitude (Which is the official web's policy). You are free not to concur to that intention, and no "moderation" is to be performed against you simply because of that. It is therefore unfair insinuating that there has been an implicit threat in any of the moderator's posts replying to yours.

[John Channing]

I will continue to support the Silent Hunter series by purchasing each new addition to the series. Do I think these games should be in a healthier state at the time of release...absolutely, but Silent Hunter 3 patched to 1.4 and moderately modded was quite superb in my view.

The only person you're punishing by not buying the game is yourself. Ubisoft are not going to worry at all if a handfull of people in the subsim forums (and that's all it would be) choose not to purchase the game on a point of principle. That's your choice and I respect it, but it's also your loss. You don't improve a game by not buying it, nor does a handful of people not buying Silent Hunter 4 in any way influence Ubisoft's decision regarding Silent Hunter 5. The game either meets its projected sales target or it doesn't.

Oh boy, I cannot believe a subsim moderator can write this :down: :down: :down:

ACS

Being a Moderator here has nothing to do with expressing a pesonal opinion. If you disagree, I respect that.

I understand the argument regarding FSAA, and I undertsand that people are not impressed with the upscaling resolution issue and feel that there are too many bugs in the release version of the game. I'd rather keep supporting the franchise and try and improve things that way rather than simply not buying the game.

I don't care on which side you are, personnaly, in this debate. What I disagree is that a moderator of this forum don't stay neutral, even if you claim now to express your personnal opinion. The fact is: you come in this thread to say what your are saying, under you official moderator label and not under an other anonymous label.

And now, one of your collegue come to help you singing the same song and an other one, in an other thread the same.

Like I said already in the other thread, I start to think more and more that Ubisoft is sponsoring Subsim.

ACS

And for the record Subsim.com is owned and operated solely by Neal Stevens.

Neal spends countless hours and money out of his own pocket to provide a place where you think you can come and insult him.

Please stop.

JCC

[The General]

I think what you're missing is that the reason there isn't any competition is because there isn't that much money to be made producing sub sims. These games attract a predominantly older demographic, and they are PC based games in a world where the large market share is in console based games. The budget and production schedule allocated to a game like Silent Hunter 4 reflects that fact.

Accepting the fact that because of production schedule and cost restraints you're not going to get a bug free game which satisfies you, would you rather have a game that's buggy at release, but which can be patched and modded to make it a great game like SH3, or would you rather have no game at all?

Because if SH4 doesn't meet its sale projection and out sell Silent Hunter 3, that's exactly what's going to happen. And if anyone here thinks that another company will then step in and start making bug free WWII sub sims, having watched Ubisoft fail, then you're living in cloud cukoo land.

Companies produce games to make money. When a game stops making money, they stop making it. What good is all the talent present on this Forum if there's no game for us to play and mod?

So my personal view, which has nothing to do with being a Moderator, is please support the Silent Hunter franchise.OH! TDK's 2 for 2! High five!:rock:

[codmander]

lol with sh4 getting bashed like this i may get it sooner for 10$ :up:

[geetrue]

']The thing that gets me about people cancelling their orders is this: The game will be patched, probably 3-4 times at least. UBI knows there are bugs and they are planning to fix them. Get the game, play it a bit, get a feel for it. Get some experiance. Wait for the patches. It'll get better.

The problem is that you are making some big assumptions. Firstly you assume Ubi will provide a patch - so far there has been no statement to that effect. Secondly you assume that "someone else" will provide mods, again there is no confirmation of that.

Ubi may well know there are bugs, whether it's worth patching them is a different matter entirely.

Until something official is written (or better released) then there are no guarantees (having said that, even the README refers to a patch release!:rotfl: ).

r.


Eat your words man :yep: ... patch on the way: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=108143

[Spaxspore]

yea dont confuse ubisoft with eagames...

[Gammel]

please come down again, folks.

i was close to cancel my order 2 days ago but i didnt.
Now i´m happy to see there´s a release day patch that looks very promising, esp due it adds lots of already promised features.
Guess UBI´s biggest mistake so far with SH4 was the strange northern europe release nearly one week before official release day. :nope:
Would be no problem and clever marketing when the pre released version had met some quality standards.
Obviously it hadn´t, so again i cant get why they did that self destructing stuff.:roll:

Looking forward to play SH4 this weekend :p

[TDK1044]

A substantial patch is about to be released which was being worked on while the game was 'Gold'. The Devs have given 110 percent to this project all the way down the line and within very tight constraints.

[-Pv-]

I too have cancelled my order since Amazon today decided to push back delivery to the 1st of April (no doubt they will push it again due to lack of attention to demand/delivery.)

Looking for a local retailer now.
-Pv-

[Flakchak]

I cancelled my order with Amazon...

But reordered with Ubi. I'm not waiting until the end of the month for my freaking game.

I figure by the time I get it, the first patch will be out. :D

[DMarkwick]

I can't believe the amount of crying, whining and petulant flouncing going on here. If you're not buying the game no-one cares, and if you're not buying the game you got no further busuness in the SH4 forums. Curl up with SH3 and weep.

50 guys (I have to assume a minimum level of manliness despite the posts here) making angry spanky posts will not in any way affect anything, only gross sales will do that. Most of the guys complaining are the sort to angrily NOT buy any given sim because it doesn't match their exacting requirements in some way or other, and assume that anyone gives a crap.

I too have no business posting in this particular thread (still waiting on a local release) but really, please, show some frickin' dignity with the wailing and gnashing of teeth. It's a game, you don't like it don't buy it and move on to something you DO like.

Also, most of this crap is second hand crap, hearing about no AA, no high res, no this that & the other. How does it actually PLAY? Not many people seem concerned with that, are quite happy to quit based on hearsay and (lack of) imagination which is not very surprising really.

[DaMaGe007]

and whining/crying about whining/crying is OK right ?:roll:

I guess diferent things upset different people

[ACSoft]

A moderator is not a judge making a trial, it is a user with certain prerrogatives to help keep the discussions civil. We moderators do not settle the questions, do not make final trials or decissions that are imposed to everyone. We simply try to prevent insulting, harrassing, posting prohibited contents and other acts againts the web's official policy. When we express opinions we are not doing it under the "moderator" label.

OK, then as I said before, I think it would be better to really use an other label (I mean other login & pseudo).

The moderator label is used to delete forbidden contents, lock threads that get out of control and such, and as far as I know, none of this actions has been performed against you.

It is because of all this power and responsability that I think a moderator must stay neutral.

I respect your point of view, and understand it, just as I defend mine, and all comments done have been in an attempt to steer the discussions towards a more positive feedback and attitude (Which is the official web's policy). You are free not to concur to that intention, and no "moderation" is to be performed against you simply because of that. It is therefore unfair insinuating that there has been an implicit threat in any of the moderator's posts replying to yours.

Sorry, but with all the respect, I think that moderators and Neal too, are going much more far than just to steer the discussions towards a more positive feedback and attitude, like you say. But this is just my opinion.

And for the record Subsim.com is owned and operated solely by Neal Stevens.

Neal spends countless hours and money out of his own pocket to provide a place where you think you can come and insult him.

Please stop.

JCC

Yes, I will stop. I promise.

But I do not consider my remark about sponsorship to be an insult.

I remain convinced that saying to peoples more or less "buy the game, or you will punish yourself because Ubisoft will not continue the franchise", do not help at all the dev team. It is the contrary, because it will allow more and more Ubisoft management to "push the dev team on the wall".

I am sure that most of the developers are the first to be very sad TO HAVE BEEN FORCED to give to production an unfinished and still buggy product.

The day the lead developer may argue: "attention Boss, in its actual state, this game will be fired by Subsim and all other specialized forums and this will have probably some bad impact on the income". Then, maybe the Boss will say "Huuumm, you are right. How many time you need to finish ?".

I appologize to everybody I may have bother with my crusade lost in advance.

OK, now I go aways and return to SH3 forums.

ACS

[-Pv-]

It's the wailing and crying on the part of people who have not bought the game and have no intention of doing so that's so irritating. 99% of us commited to the game have not even played it yet and already there is a patch to make up for the bean counters at UBI pressing to meet the contractural release date, getting product in the stores so we don't have to all slam web servers with 400 meg downloads. Patches don't bother me. It's part of life. How many posts have I seen "there will be no patch" despite every release of SH has been patched? How many posts "even if they patch it they will not fix what I want so I will not buy it." And... "SHII will be the last game because no one will buyt it."

If you have to look at it this way, we all got a demo for a day or two and now we get patched to new and improved. It's probably just the 1st with one or more to come. In the end our monetary investment is the same, the product is the same, and the whole world isn't going to stop turning because one or two features don't meet a minority opinion. As time goes on, more people will buy the game based on seeing reports from hundreds of players and the investors will get their money back- not because they created a perfect game, but because they made a commitment to their BUYERS. I play several games with no ability to turn on AntiAliasing because they are fun to play. It's not a make/break for me although I appreciate games where I CAN add AA.

None of the detractors will influence my commitment because this is the game I want. I have returned games that didn't work to my satisfaction, but at least I PAID for and EXPERIENCED the game myself first. I take VERY strong note of anything people who have PLAYED the game say. They influence my opinion greatly. I take next to nothing from people who have NOT played the game who are critisizing it's game play value. Especially when the multitude of complaints eventually proove unfounded over the life of the product.
The test of a prophet is if what they prophesi comes true, not how outlandish or likely it may be.

Best Buy in my area thinks they will have 50 copies in stock by the end of the day. They will get my Amazon money. This is how the market place works.
-Pv-

[DMarkwick]

and whining/crying about whining/crying is OK right ?:roll:


Always one. Always. :roll:

[thehiredgun]

Hopefully this finds its way to you Neal.Rather than go into a tirade about all of the things wrong with Sh-4, i thought i will do what has worked for me in the past. Get clean out of SH-4 & wait for the super Cd from subsim that corrects all of the faults & modifys as to enhance, then & only then will it be worth my time. Thanks to Grey Wolves exspansion i'll have something to do until then.
Thank you
TheHiredGun

[Immacolata]

Well at first I did.

But then I looked in the mirror. And I saw this

A too tall figure in a dress with tears down the cheek and smeared lipstick. Ew. A crying for momma girl. So I went back in front of my desk, re-pre-ordered SHIV, received it and as if by magic there was no more cry girl in my bathroom mirror. Had 20+ hours of solid entertainment with SHIV by now. Yes, it is a diamond in the rough, but a precious stone none the less.

[goldorak]

100% correct. :up: Go back and look at that image in Post #10. How can you look at that and not wanna buy this game?

Maybe because it is unfinished, bug ridden and renders horrendously on a widescreen lcd monitor. ?
For me those are good reasons not to buy it.
But of course your mileage may vary. :-?

[goldorak]

I think what you're missing is that the reason there isn't any competition is because there isn't that much money to be made producing sub sims. These games attract a predominantly older demographic, and they are PC based games in a world where the large market share is in console based games. The budget and production schedule allocated to a game like Silent Hunter 4 reflects that fact.

Accepting the fact that because of production schedule and cost restraints you're not going to get a bug free game which satisfies you, would you rather have a game that's buggy at release, but which can be patched and modded to make it a great game like SH3, or would you rather have no game at all?

Because if SH4 doesn't meet its sale projection and out sell Silent Hunter 3, that's exactly what's going to happen. And if anyone here thinks that another company will then step in and start making bug free WWII sub sims, having watched Ubisoft fail, then you're living in cloud cukoo land.

Companies produce games to make money. When a game stops making money, they stop making it. What good is all the talent present on this Forum if there's no game for us to play and mod?

So my personal view, which has nothing to do with being a Moderator, is please support the Silent Hunter franchise.

No, I will not support the SH series only for its namesake.
Where have we arrived to think like this ? :damn: :damn:
I have Silent Hunter I and still play it, now more than ever since it runs perfectly at full speed under dosbox.
I will not support a company that has published half finished products, and lied about important features even if it means that they won't produce another simulation.

Take for instance the only other submarine simulation available nowadays, Dangerous Waters.
Even with all its shortcomings, and subpar graphics IT RENDERS CORRECTLY UP TO 1600x1200.
And its graphics engine is anachronistic with respect to the Silent Hunter's III and IV.

Man if a little software house such as SCS can make it so can $$$$$$ UBI. :stare:

[McBeck]

Some of you talk like Ubi is necesary bad guys here.

I think you need to devide Ubisoft into the Corporate Ubisoft and the Romanien development team.

Corporate Ubisoft needs to make sure that theres a profit, so they will have money to start other projects. Nothing personal, just sound business!

The development team are doing all they can for us, I promise you.
They work just as dedicated on this as any of us would have!!

If you have not purchased the Subsim Almanac 2007 yet, I suggest you do and read the Executive SH3 procucers story about SH3s development!!
Then you will be ashamed for even indicating that devs dont care!
They are doing their very best they can under the circumstances!

[Rotor]

I have received the Subsim Almanac 2007 yesterday - and I tell you: This is great stuff for all us submarine lovers! - If you don't already have, buy it now - It's a must :up:

[John Channing]

Even with all its shortcomings, and subpar graphics IT RENDERS CORRECTLY UP TO 1600x1200.
And its graphics engine is anachronistic with respect to the Silent Hunter's III and IV.



Did you ever consider the possibility that there may be a connection here?

[John Channing]

And as far as everyone dumping of the "suits" at Ubisoft, and the "evil greedy management" you might just want to take a second to condsider that they are the ones who decided to pony up the millions that would have to be invested in this project.

And, after SH3 ran so far and long over budget due to the inclusion of the dynamic campaign (and God Bless 'em for that), they did not pull the plug, but kept on with it.

It's alway nice to have a convienient cheap target, but not always accurate.

JCC
Suit, Evil Greedy Manager, and Proud of it!

[Platapus]

"Who has cancelled their order! "

Yes and no

I originally ordered SH4 from Amazon.com (through this website). Their pushing back the delivery date combined with the world infamious customer service caused me to cancel my order after about a week.

I then ordered SH4 directly from Ubi and it arrived even before the Amazon company was estimating their delivery. Despite the more than a week lead time.

As I have written to Amazon, I will never use their services again. I have had problems of one sort or another for years. There are other book dealers that will give same prices and better service.

In the future I would much rather donate directly to this site than use Amazon.

[cunnutazzo]

Ubi should promote only finished and completed works. Also, last year Ubi dropped an unfinished SH3 after the patch 1.4b. I don't want repeat my mistake this year, I want a good and "completed" game. I think that if Ubi will finish the game with good and extensive patches, the people will come back on their steps very quickly.

[Onkel Neal]

This thread is past its due date, you have either cancelled your order and moved on, or you are playing the game and finding it's not as bad as the whiners screech about.