The constructive criticism thread

[waste gate]

To be fair this thread should be established. If you have anything to contribute this will be the place to place it. 'Code' may be usefull for the folks at UbiSoft.

[AVGWarhawk]

I'm wondering if the game does not support widescreen LCD monitors. What do you think?

[Ducimus]

You dont' read sticky posts very much do you?

[AVGWarhawk]

You dont' read sticky posts very much do you?


Well, currently there is an uproar on the resolution issue. In my view Waste Gate is looking to find a possible answer to the very first major issue that has spurned over 5 pages in another thread. The sticky is a lot of information on a lot of stuff. I find this issue baffling myself. One hopes we find a answer on this issue in a constructive conversation.

[waste gate]

You dont' read sticky posts very much do you?


Well, currently there is an uproar on the resolution issue. In my view Waste Gate is looking to find a possible answer to the very first major issue that has spurned over 5 pages in another thread. The sticky is a lot of information on a lot of stuff. I find this issue baffling myself. One hopes we find a answer on this issue in a constructive conversation.

That was the spirit of this thread's creation. Thanks AVGWarhawk

[tommyk]

I'm wondering if the game does not support widescreen LCD monitors. What do you think?

I hope SH4 will have full support of widescreen LCDs to make SH4 shine without jaggies!

[AVGWarhawk]

I'm wondering if the game does not support widescreen LCD monitors. What do you think?

I hope SH4 will have full support of widescreen LCDs to make SH4 shine without jaggies!

I hope so also for those that have spent money on them. I do not have a widescreen because everything looks stretched to me. This includes the widescreen TV. I just don't get why they did this to some TV's. Also, the higher resolution might be a crisper picture but how do you read all the small guages and buttons? I run all my games at 1024x768.

[stabiz]

Widescreen wont cure any jaggies, but higher resolutions WILL make them less glaring. They are still there though. SH3 in 1600x1200 with FSAA and AF at full blast look stunning, even by todays standards. SHIV sadly does not. (Yes, I am basing this on screenshots, I dont have the game)

Look at this one, for instance, it looks awful:

http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/6706/tyiykyyitgc0.jpg

[AVGWarhawk]

I'm kind of in your corner there Stabiz. The screenshots always looked muddled to me and not quite as crisp as SH3. I think widescreen is the issue here on this. Just my thoughts. Then again all screens might have issues. Something just never seemed right with the screenshots.




I do not have the game either.

[tommyk]

I hope so also for those that have spent money on them. I do not have a widescreen because everything looks stretched to me. This includes the widescreen TV. I just don't get why they did this to some TV's. Also, the higher resolution might be a crisper picture but how do you read all the small guages and buttons? I run all my games at 1024x768.

Yes, I can see your point. Generally speaking, I like the higher resolution in simulations because I can easier identify far away objects at better detail. I am lucky owner of a Dell2407 and I very much enjoy it! I would be very happy to see SH4 in true 1920x1200 on my 24 Inches screen. That would be just great! :rock:

[ashbery76]

Deamon tools+install=Pirate.

[AVGWarhawk]

I hope so also for those that have spent money on them. I do not have a widescreen because everything looks stretched to me. This includes the widescreen TV. I just don't get why they did this to some TV's. Also, the higher resolution might be a crisper picture but how do you read all the small guages and buttons? I run all my games at 1024x768.

Yes, I can see your point. Generally speaking, I like the higher resolution in simulations because I can easier identify far away objects at better detail. I am lucky owner of a Dell2407 and I very much enjoy it! I would be very happy to see SH4 in true 1920x1200 on my 24 Inches screen. That would be just great! :rock:

If I run IL2 in high resolution it give me a headache attempting read dials and see far off dots. Perhaps the widescreen is stretching the game to fit. I really do not know:hmm:

[Ducimus]

There is already a thread on this issue, which is more aptly named i might add.

In my view Waste Gate is looking to find a possible answer

Lets cut the crap. He's dissappointed and pissed off because the game didnt meet his expectations out of the box. So now he's raising a big F'ing stink about it because he's angry. Come on, The "do not buy SH4 Thread UbiSoft Sucks!!" ?!

I've seen that crap alot in other games, what it really means is, "im pissed off, im personally insulted, and im going to try and make ubi loose money. That'll show em! Disappoint me will they!"

[Antrodemus]

ashbery76,

You are clearly ignorant of what you belch...

[stabiz]

I'm kind of in your corner there Stabiz. The screenshots always looked muddled to me and not quite as crisp as SH3. I think widescreen is the issue here on this. Just my thoughts. Then again all screens might have issues. Something just never seemed right with the screenshots.




I do not have the game either.

I so hope we are wrong, but I`m getting depressed. (Must learn not to join hype!:damn:)

[malkuth74]

I like ships that go boom. :|\\

[tommyk]

Yes, I can see your point. Generally speaking, I like the higher resolution in simulations because I can easier identify far away objects at better detail. I am lucky owner of a Dell2407 and I very much enjoy it! I would be very happy to see SH4 in true 1920x1200 on my 24 Inches screen. That would be just great! :rock:

If I run IL2 in high resolution it give me a headache attempting read dials and see far off dots. Perhaps the widescreen is stretching the game to fit. I really do not know:hmm:

Hmm, I dont have IL2 but I own Falcon4AF and I think in F4 1600x1200 is much more superiour than 1024x768. In F4AF you do not have problem reading the dials. There are different sets of 2D artwork depending on resolution. Its easy to see the mig in 1600x1200 but with 1024x768 you are having much harder time...

Anyway, F4 is quite old and this is about the modern build simulation SH4. I think we will see what it brings us very soon! I hope for the best!

[AVGWarhawk]

I'm kind of in your corner there Stabiz. The screenshots always looked muddled to me and not quite as crisp as SH3. I think widescreen is the issue here on this. Just my thoughts. Then again all screens might have issues. Something just never seemed right with the screenshots.




I do not have the game either.

I so hope we are wrong, but I`m getting depressed. (Must learn not to join hype!:damn:)

I hope we are wrong and some option switch was not hit or checked for widescreens or any screens for that matter. I plan on getting the game and see what I see. Besides, let the modder have at it. The original SH3 hit my shelf in about a month. I have not stopped playing it since GWX fiddle with it.

[AVGWarhawk]

There is already a thread on this issue, which is more aptly named i might add.

In my view Waste Gate is looking to find a possible answer

Lets cut the crap. He's dissappointed and pissed off because the game didnt meet his expectations out of the box. So now he's raising a big F'ing stink about it because he's angry. Come on, The "do not buy SH4 Thread UbiSoft Sucks!!" ?!

I've seen that crap alot in other games, what it really means is, "im pissed off, im personally insulted, and im going to try and make ubi loose money. That'll show em! Disappoint me will they!"

Maybe so but perhaps that is out of his system and we are ready to get down to business on a resolve. The original thread has one individual with pictures of the issue. I believe we need some more and suspect we will see them in the coming days. I'm disappointed for those really looking forward to high resolution and it was not delivered as promised. I'm hoping the original poster with pics did not hit a option button or check a box in option to resolve the bad pictures.

Anyway, you got me sailing aroung Africa and I need to finish that patrol!

[stabiz]

Yes, but GWX came 2 years after release.:rotfl:

I am buying this game too, but not in the current(?) state. I dont want to ruin the experience by being forced to overlook alot of stuff.

I am sure it will be mega-awesome after some modding, though.

Q: VikingGrandad: Are any of the existing SH4 preview screenshots and movies taken directly from the actual game, or are they enhanced/CGI?
A: SH4 uses post processing for a cinematic feeling, and that uninformed viewer may think at first those screenshots are edited. The game looks indeed as good, though of course all screenshots and footage released are work in progress.

:huh:

[AVGWarhawk]

Yes, but GWX came 2 years after release.:rotfl:

I am buying this game too, but not in the current(?) state. I dont want to ruin the experience by being forced to overlook alot of stuff.

I am sure it will be mega-awesome after some modding, though.

Q: VikingGrandad: Are any of the existing SH4 preview screenshots and movies taken directly from the actual game, or are they enhanced/CGI?
A: SH4 uses post processing for a cinematic feeling, and that uninformed viewer may think at first those screenshots are edited. The game looks indeed as good, though of course all screenshots and footage released are work in progress.

:huh:


Yes, two years but the GWX guys are on the ball. I think the modding will start immediately. We and they have seen what they can do. They now understand the make up of the config files and such. A lot testing and changing has already been completed in SH3 that will spill over to SH4. IMHO.

[nhall70]

There is already a thread on this issue, which is more aptly named i might add.

In my view Waste Gate is looking to find a possible answer

Lets cut the crap. He's dissappointed and pissed off because the game didnt meet his expectations out of the box. So now he's raising a big F'ing stink about it because he's angry. Come on, The "do not buy SH4 Thread UbiSoft Sucks!!" ?!

I've seen that crap alot in other games, what it really means is, "im pissed off, im personally insulted, and im going to try and make ubi loose money. That'll show em! Disappoint me will they!"

Interesting. I usually feel like you do about these sorts of things, but in this case...I'm afraid it's different.

This is by far the biggest lie I've ever seen a publisher make...EVER. I still can't believe it's true.

This is going to affect reviews, it's going to affect purchases, it's going to affect sales, etc. Ubisoft is going to be the laughing stock of the sim community. The reason you should care about this is that it could mean the end of the Silent Hunter series. So enjoy SH4...might be your last one.

[Ducimus]

I so hope we are wrong, but I`m getting depressed. (Must learn not to join hype!

Thats easy. Just realize that their's always pre release hype, and then there's hype WHEN (not if, but when) the game doesnt live up to the pre release hype. Also realize that when people are upset, they tend to exaggerate, embellish, and otherwise focus on that which has offended them; often overlooking much of everything else. This applies to just about every game out there.

[OneTinSoldier]

I just want to say that for me, this isn't just about 'Widescreen' monitors, it's about higher resolutions period. I have a big LCD monitor, a Samsung 214t 22 incher and it's a 4:3 ratio monitor, not a 16:9 ratio Widescreen one. It's native resolution is 1600x1200.

Or perhaps I'm the only one here with a fairly large 4:3 ratio LCD! :lol: If I'm not, I don't want us guys to be forgotten!

[geetrue]

To be fair this thread should be established. If you have anything to contribute this will be the place to place it. 'Code' may be usefull for the folks at UbiSoft.

To be fair you should purchase the game and then complain, wastegate ...

your just stirring things up for personal reasons that you evidently have left undisclosed ...

I've been a sub sim member since 1999 and never have I seen anyone start a thread like the one you just started about how everyone shouldn't purchase the game.

What's in it for you to make everyone angry ... you don't even come over here. You should go sit it out and think about it.

Watch out which side your own everyone ... his vanity is showing
(notice no smiley's)

[AVGWarhawk]

Well, that is the thing. We have one person with pics showing bad jaggie lines. We needs some more pics or just test the game ourselves. I do not have mine has yet but I'm getting it regardless of this issue. I hopeful some others will post a pic in high res that looks great.

[clayton]

Sure, let the modders fix it! No need to give them a product that they can have fun and enjoy playing. Time to get to work...

To all those hardworking modders out there; Thank you for all you do. UBI should be paying you!

The Dev's should have hired the GWX guys!!! They'll be doing the work anyway!

Shame on the guys who knew about these bugs earlier... :down:

[nhall70]

To be fair this thread should be established. If you have anything to contribute this will be the place to place it. 'Code' may be usefull for the folks at UbiSoft.

To be fair you should purchase the game and then complain, wastegate ...

your just stirring things up for personal reasons that you evidently have left undisclosed ...

I've been a sub sim member since 1999 and never have I seen anyone start a thread like the one you just started about how everyone shouldn't purchase the game.

What's in it for you to make everyone angry ... you don't even come over here. You should go sit it out and think about it.

Watch out which side your own everyone ... his vanity is showing
(notice no smiley's)

I don't think it's reasonable to suggest that someone should purchase the game before drawing any conclusions. Buyer beware is the golden rule. Many people frequent these forums to get feedback before making a purchasing decision in the first place.

I think people should be well informed of the resolution problem because it appears that Ubisoft has quite deliberately mislead the community about this. This is so different than anything else I've ever seen before, it defies comprehension!

[Arrowhead2k1]

Well I hope Ubi is hearing us and assembling some serious damage control teams, because this needs to be fixed!

[Antrodemus]

Why is there such a dearth of screenshots from those who have the game?!? The whole community is going bananas trying to find out if their worst fears are true, and yet those who can prove or allay those fears seem strangely reluctant to help...

COME ON OWNERS OF SHIV!!! How hard can it be to start slappin' up some screens?!?

[StandingCow]

Well I hope Ubi is hearing us and assembling some serious damage control teams, because this needs to be fixed!

I hope so to, but I really think what will happen is we will hear very little or nothing for a bit, then a patch will come out fixing the major issues.

[waste gate]

I thought this was for positive remarks. Yes, that is why I started it.
Not my fault if it has degraded into my other thread. I'd like to see some positve game play comments. :up:

[Arrowhead2k1]

Then it wouldn't be 'criticism' now would it?

[StandingCow]

I thought this was for positive remarks. Yes, that is why I started it.
Not my fault if it has degraded into my other thread. I'd like to see some positve game play comments. :up:
Well, my problem with the other thread was the title... "DONT BUY UBI SUCKS!!" That just isn't the type of thing I like to see on these forums... that is something I expect to see posted on ubi forums or something. And then everybody goes on a rampage (people that don't even own the game) before the people that DO have the game have even tried everything yet.

[flintlock]

From the screenshots I've seen thus far, the game looks fantastic at a 4:3 aspect ratio 1024x768 resolution. Unfortunately, I haven't found this to be the case for larger 16:10 resolutions, or higher resolutions in general. Still, new effects like translucent water look stunning.

[9th_cow]

Why is there such a dearth of screenshots from those who have the game?!? The whole community is going bananas trying to find out if their worst fears are true, and yet those who can prove or allay those fears seem strangely reluctant to help...

COME ON OWNERS OF SHIV!!! How hard can it be to start slappin' up some screens?!?

with my GF6200 :) i doubt you want them.

why is it that all i read is " the game is ugly (its not) it doesnt have fsaa im not buying it.

kinda weird in a "simulation" forum.

i havent fully tested sonar, hyrdophone, but both as mentioned seem an actuall jump and leap backwards, unless theyve locked or hidden a feature i cannot listed out for ships,nor can i get the radar to do anything, both are simulated, but perhaps not fully interactive as in SHIII. but dont take my word for it, ive not put much time in, unfortunatly i have a job.

2morro ill put serious time into the sim and see whats what.

i know one thing with my computer if gfx mattered i wouldnt be playing, remember STALKER has been in development for 6 years, runs on any old computer and looks "so so" but plays well.

what a shame that the only thing anyone cares about in a niche market is ..looks :(
personally id rather have a more accurate sim, and one that ran at a decent rate, than a fancy looking game that was somewhat average to play.

except for the looks of the sea above and underwater, i see no huge leap forwards, i can identify ships just aswell as i could in SHIII wich is important.
what i cant do is run the damn thing above 1 frame per day because rather than concentrate on making a good sim they spent half the development cycle making it pretty....

ppl wanted survivors in the water, ok its one boat a ship but they got it anyways.
you can rescue pilots , wont be long before a mod makes it possible to rescue others im sure.
the graphics are great, i dont know why ppl hate them so much, seriously.
gameplay has 1 or two issues that may well be down to me overlooking something, but nothing bad. ( i spent ages looking for a salvo/fan option and just found out why i cant, US subs didnt have one)

its very new, and too many ppl are bitching about it without possibly having had the time to actually play it. unless they dont have jobs.

remember SHIII was kinda lame till they modded in all that extra traffic ? and ports were pointless as they were empty, well this game has more traffic than you ever saw in SHIII and ports that are overflowing with huge numbers of ships.
convoys vary in size, and milatary fleets dont consist of 2 ships. there can be 10+
the game itself, pretty much delivers. with one or two flaws that will hamper it untill patched, but jeez honestly play the thing before you have a tantrum.

and get over the obsession with looks. too many games these days are all graphics no gameplay.
makes me wonder if im the only one here old enough to have had a Amiga, Spectrum, Amstrad.


to me, if i look out the scope and see something wich apears to be a kongo, the graphics are fine.
as for jaggies, well i had a choice, upgrade the pc or get xbox 360. guess wich i chose. im fine with jagged edges.
i have the other box for those pretty 2 hour games.
i keep my pc for real games, pitty that they get shorter as the devs spend more time making them look better. no time left to add a game to the pretty picture i guess.

rant over :-P

[John Channing]

I thought this was for positive remarks. Yes, that is why I started it.
Not my fault if it has degraded into my other thread. I'd like to see some positve game play comments. :up:
Well, my problem with the other thread was the title... "DONT BUY UBI SUCKS!!" That just isn't the type of thing I like to see on these forums... that is something I expect to see posted on ubi forums or something. And then everybody goes on a rampage (people that don't even own the game) before the people that DO have the game have even tried everything yet.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/images/icons/icon1.gif
That thread is in the past. Forget about it.

Lets remember that one of the reasons this forum really works is it's ability to delver construcive critisism and help to developers.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with this and, in fact, it can be very helpful...

IF

it is done in a positive and respectful manner.

I know we are capable of that.

Thanks,

JCC

[Shaffer4]

Sure, let the modders fix it! No need to give them a product that they can have fun and enjoy playing. Time to get to work...

To all those hardworking modders out there; Thank you for all you do. UBI should be paying you!

The Dev's should have hired the GWX guys!!! They'll be doing the work anyway!

Shame on the guys who knew about these bugs earlier... :down:
I don't blame the Devs one Iota, They are merely the unfortunate pawns of the developer. I appreciate very much thier efforts give us a new subsim, cause quite frankly, the 'issues' I have seen so far don't overly concern me.

Furthermore, quite a few of these posts have been some of the most self-centered and superficial gripes I have ever seen; which is quite sad really, as I truely expected more from the members of a site as classy as subsim.

*rant mode off*

[THE_MASK]

I will buy SH4 when its complete after the patches . :stare:

[tedhealy]

Why is there such a dearth of screenshots from those who have the game?!? The whole community is going bananas trying to find out if their worst fears are true, and yet those who can prove or allay those fears seem strangely reluctant to help...

COME ON OWNERS OF SHIV!!! How hard can it be to start slappin' up some screens?!?
with my GF6200 :) i doubt you want them.

why is it that all i read is " the game is ugly (its not) it doesnt have fsaa im not buying it.

kinda weird in a "simulation" forum.

i havent fully tested sonar, hyrdophone, but both as mentioned seem an actuall jump and leap backwards, unless theyve locked or hidden a feature i cannot listed out for ships,nor can i get the radar to do anything, both are simulated, but perhaps not fully interactive as in SHIII. but dont take my word for it, ive not put much time in, unfortunatly i have a job.

2morro ill put serious time into the sim and see whats what.

i know one thing with my computer if gfx mattered i wouldnt be playing, remember STALKER has been in development for 6 years, runs on any old computer and looks "so so" but plays well.

what a shame that the only thing anyone cares about in a niche market is ..looks :(
personally id rather have a more accurate sim, and one that ran at a decent rate, than a fancy looking game that was somewhat average to play.

except for the looks of the sea above and underwater, i see no huge leap forwards, i can identify ships just aswell as i could in SHIII wich is important.
what i cant do is run the damn thing above 1 frame per day because rather than concentrate on making a good sim they spent half the development cycle making it pretty....

ppl wanted survivors in the water, ok its one boat a ship but they got it anyways.
you can rescue pilots , wont be long before a mod makes it possible to rescue others im sure.
the graphics are great, i dont know why ppl hate them so much, seriously.
gameplay has 1 or two issues that may well be down to me overlooking something, but nothing bad. ( i spent ages looking for a salvo/fan option and just found out why i cant, US subs didnt have one)

its very new, and too many ppl are bitching about it without possibly having had the time to actually play it. unless they dont have jobs.

remember SHIII was kinda lame till they modded in all that extra traffic ? and ports were pointless as they were empty, well this game has more traffic than you ever saw in SHIII and ports that are overflowing with huge numbers of ships.
convoys vary in size, and milatary fleets dont consist of 2 ships. there can be 10+
the game itself, pretty much delivers. with one or two flaws that will hamper it untill patched, but jeez honestly play the thing before you have a tantrum.

and get over the obsession with looks. too many games these days are all graphics no gameplay.
makes me wonder if im the only one here old enough to have had a Amiga, Spectrum, Amstrad.


to me, if i look out the scope and see something wich apears to be a kongo, the graphics are fine.
as for jaggies, well i had a choice, upgrade the pc or get xbox 360. guess wich i chose. im fine with jagged edges.
i have the other box for those pretty 2 hour games.
i keep my pc for real games, pitty that they get shorter as the devs spend more time making them look better. no time left to add a game to the pretty picture i guess.

rant over :-P

Good stuff. I think this is the first batch of impressions I've seen that pointed out lots of good things.

My only gripe with the whole resolution thing is that either through a mis-translation or outright deception, support for higher resolutions was stated. Now that the support may mean faked higher resolution, I'm a bit miffed, but not enough to cancel my pre-order or anything like that. I can live with a 1024x768 lockdown, but I'll always have a sore spot over being led to believe SH4 was going to be hi-res.

[nuggetz]

I will buy SH4 when its complete after the patches . :stare:

Speaking of patches, how long was SH3 out before the first and last patch? Anyone know? That may give me some indication on how long I need to wait to purchase SHIV.

[malkuth74]

I will buy SH4 when its complete after the patches . :stare:
Speaking of patches, how long was SH3 out before the first and last patch? Anyone know? That may give me some indication on how long I need to wait to purchase SHIV.

I can't rember but I think a first patch came out the first week? The others followed over the months.

[tedhealy]

My memory is faulty, but it was several weeks. Then there was the patch that broke as much as it fixed :damn:

It kind of sounds like the devs knew the game was shipping a little too early and will have a patch to go pretty quickly though, or at least that's my take on things.

[Ducimus]

If people really wanted to be constructive, they would post in a concise manner what problems they were experiencing, what system they were running the game on, and what drivers they were using for their video card.

That way ubi would better be able to track down and fix any problem that could exist. Kinda hard to do that when you have to wade through alot of emotional "sucks!" ranting.

[stabiz]

True, true. I guess.

But one should also be able to criticise an appearant lack of resolution choice, and/or underwater radar without posting driver version on the gfx card.

[clayton]

Sure, let the modders fix it! No need to give them a product that they can have fun and enjoy playing. Time to get to work...

To all those hardworking modders out there; Thank you for all you do. UBI should be paying you!

The Dev's should have hired the GWX guys!!! They'll be doing the work anyway!

Shame on the guys who knew about these bugs earlier... :down:
I don't blame the Devs one Iota, They are merely the unfortunate pawns of the developer. I appreciate very much thier efforts give us a new subsim, cause quite frankly, the 'issues' I have seen so far don't overly concern me.

Furthermore, quite a few of these posts have been some of the most self-centered and superficial gripes I have ever seen; which is quite sad really, as I truely expected more from the members of a site as classy as subsim.

*rant mode off*

OK! I may be self-centered...3 tours in OEF and 2 in OIF will do that to you!!!

I'm just upset because 60 bucks in my household doesn't grow on trees! Granted, I really want to play this game as I've been a sub sim fan from the Gato days, but I should not have to wait until a modder fixes what should have been fixed! I shouldn't have to wait for a patch 2 or even 3 weeks after a release just to get my SONAR / RADAR working properly. It's not about class - here at Subsim it's about knowledge, and with that knowledge comes some of the products that get's those eighteen year olds down the street playing! That being said, we will be SH4 toughest critics, UBI's worst enemy, not because we placate them but because we know what the **** we are talking about! We expect more because we know how it should be!

[Reece]

Geetrue said: I've been a sub sim member since 1999
But under your avator it says: Join Date: Jan 2002.:lol: Sorry Geetrue, just had to do it!:yep:

[Ducimus]

True, true. I guess.

But one should also be able to criticise an appearant lack of resolution choice, and/or underwater radar without posting driver version on the gfx card.

I agree, but like anything, its all in HOW you do it. ;)

I have to admit, if it wasnt for the "UBi suxs you shouldn't buy this game!" i wouldn't have put my 2 cents in on this issue at all. That post Irritated me. Maybe im old and jaded, but theres a reason why i don't (normally) preorder, and why i orginally didnt pick up SH3 (0r any other game) until there was a patch available for it. Ive been gaming on PC's since 1986, so i know the drill. When i preordred, i did so knowing what id have to put up with. Im not going to whine until after the last patch is posted, and beleive me, when i complain i pitch a b**ch like few can :88)

[geetrue]

Quote: Reece
Geetrue said: I've been a sub sim member since 1999
But under your avator it says: Join Date: Jan 2002.:lol: Sorry Geetrue, just had to do it!:yep:




I can answer that question better than the attorney general can answer why he fired those eight attorney's ... lol

You see when I joined in 1999 ... Neal had a different server and as the forum kept growing he changed it like three times to what it is today. Which resets join date and number of post ...

I use to be geetrue2 and enjoyed many good visits to subsim.com to fellowship with like minded people in love with submarines and submarine sims ...

You should have seen the thread wars we had in the old days ... Those guys really knew how to fling it too, but SH2 came and went, SH3 is still hanging in there and SH4 will be top sub sim as soon as the modders get through.

If the good Lord be willing I'll still be here for SH5 ... :up:

[mookiemookie]

I'm growing weary of the graphics centric complaining and I could give a flying fork about SH4 not having AA or FSAA or NCAA or AAA or whatever the hell all these people are griping about it not having. It's a simulation game. If it accurately simulates the submarine war in the Pacific with graphics that aren't glaringly bad, that's what I'm happy about.

I think that the influences of the console generation and valuing looks above actual gameplay are seeping in. The only actual criticism of the game that I've read that holds any water for me is the rumored non-functionality of the sonar and radar stations. But I would think that's pretty easy to fix in a patch.

Nowhere do I read any criticisms about errors in the characteristics of the boat's speeds or equipment or the like. I don't see any complaints about being sent to patrol areas that aren't historically accurate. I don't see any complaints about the damage model. I don't see complaints about Japanese air power being too weak or too strong. And if that means that those problems don't exist and the only thing wrong with the game is some stupid jagged lines, then I say bring on the jagged lines because I'm ready to refight the Pacific submarine war! :ping:

I guess my rant is done now too.

[IRONxMortlock]

I'm growing weary of the graphics centric complaining and I could give a flying fork about SH4 not having AA or FSAA or NCAA or AAA or whatever the hell all these people are griping about it not having. It's a simulation game. If it accurately simulates the submarine war in the Pacific with graphics that aren't glaringly bad, that's what I'm happy about.

I think that the influences of the console generation and valuing looks above actual gameplay are seeping in. The only actual criticism of the game that I've read that holds any water for me is the rumored non-functionality of the sonar and radar stations. But I would think that's pretty easy to fix in a patch.

Nowhere do I read any criticisms about errors in the characteristics of the boat's speeds or equipment or the like. I don't see any complaints about being sent to patrol areas that aren't historically accurate. I don't see any complaints about the damage model. I don't see complaints about Japanese air power being too weak or too strong. And if that means that those problems don't exist and the only thing wrong with the game is some stupid jagged lines, then I say bring on the jagged lines because I'm ready to refight the Pacific submarine war! :ping:

I guess my rant is done now too.

You should have a look through this thread - http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=107766&page=2

Things like hydrophones not working are pretty major issues in my book. This isn't looking good at all.:cry:

Oh yeah, this thread is for constructive criticism right? Hmmm, how do I state that in constructive terms.......?

Got it! Fix hydrophones.

There we go, constructive. :roll:

[Reece]

@Geetrue: Well slap my mouth!!:oops::D

[geetrue]

That's right mookiemookie and another thing on the plus side ...
I don't see anyone posting that the game is crashing to desk top
or blue screens.

No one has posted about music yet, radio shows or messages and
I know they are in the game ... give it time ... time heals all.

[flintlock]

I'm growing weary of the graphics centric complaining and I could give a flying fork about SH4 not having AA or FSAA or NCAA or AAA or whatever the hell all these people are griping about it not having. Fair enough, but understand that different things hold different levels of importance for different people. Just because you couldn't "give a flying fork about SH4 not having AA or FSAA," does it make it any less valid a concern for those that find this important to them? After all, this is a forum and by it's very nature will incite discussion, good and bad. As long as posters respect the lay of the land, I see nothing wrong with voicing one's opinion within reason.

Oh, and I think you mean "couldn't give a flying fork," as "I could give a flying fork" implies you give a fork, which apparently you do not.

;)

[geetrue]

@Geetrue: Well slap my mouth!!:oops::D

Your forgiven ... you too wastegate ... don't make me break out my stripes :lol:

[mookiemookie]

Fair enough, but understand that different things hold different levels of importance for different people. Just because you couldn't "give a flying fork about SH4 not having AA or FSAA," does it make it any less valid a concern for those that find this important to them? After all, this is a forum and by it's very nature will incite discussion, good and bad. As long as posters respect the lay of the land, I see nothing wrong with voicing one's opinion.

True, true. I was just throwing my $0.02 in and opening myself up to the flames...as you said, voicing an opinion. :up: Also typing while annoyed. And we all know how well that usually turns out. Those who do find that graphics are important to them and express it in mature ways are fine by me. Those who create "ZOMG UBI SUXX0RZ" threads are not.

Oh, and I think you mean "couldn't give a flying fork," as "I could give a flying fork" implies you give a fork, which apparently you do not.

;)
Grammar Nazi :p

Things like hydrophones not working are pretty major issues in my book. This isn't looking good at all.:cry:
That would be a major issue in my book as well. But maybe it's a simple fix in one of the config or .dat files. Who knows what kind of voodoo the modders do? I don't. Wait and see. :yep:

[Gizzmoe]

Please post constructive criticism here:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=107793

Thread closed.