Jewish Easter

[Kruger]

Does anybody know when Jewish Easter is this year ? Thank you very much.

[kiwi_2005]

Pesach (passover) is when the Jews celebrate easter i know this from my sons mother side, runs from the 15 - 22 march/april:hmm:

Although i could be wrong. Avon will correct this if so. :)

[The Avon Lady]

Pesach (passover) is when the Jews celebrate easter i know this from my sons mother side, runs from the 15 - 22 march/april:hmm:

Although i could be wrong. Avon will correct this if so. :)
Jews don't celebrate Easter. Period.
The English and German names, "Easter" and "Ostern", are not etymologically derived from Pesach and according to the 8th century Christian monk and historian Bede are instead related to ancient name for the Saxon goddess, Eostre, who was celebrated during Eosturmonath, equivalent to April/Aprilis [1] [1] Bede wrote in Latin:

"Eosturmonath, qui nunc paschalis mensis interpretatur, quondam a dea illorum quae Eostre vocabatur et cui in illo festa celebrabant nomen habuit."

Translated: "Eosturmonath, which is now interpreted as the paschal month, was formerly named after the goddess Eostre, and has given its name to the festival."
Paganism. Fech!

Passover, on the other hand, begins on the 15th of Nissan (no, not the auto manufacturer!), which this year falls out at sundown Monday April 2.

[bradclark1]

And here I thought it was all about the easter bunny and easter eggs.

[Letum]

Do Jews use the standard calender?
IIRC the standard calender got moved around in the 16th Century so that all dates since then are at least 2 weeks away from what they where before and dates in certain months are all a year out due to the change of the new year date around the same time.

[The Avon Lady]

Do Jews use the standard calender?
IIRC the standard calender got moved around in the 16th Century so that all dates since then are at least 2 weeks away from what they where before and dates in certain months are all a year out due to the change of the new year date around the same time.
Jewish calendar (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/calendar.html).

[kiwi_2005]

The English and German names, "Easter" and "Ostern", are not etymologically derived from Pesach and according to the 8th century Christian monk and historian Bede are instead related to ancient name for the Saxon goddess, Eostre, who was celebrated during Eosturmonath, equivalent to April/Aprilis [1] [1] Bede wrote in Latin:

"Eosturmonath, qui nunc paschalis mensis interpretatur, quondam a dea illorum quae Eostre vocabatur et cui in illo festa celebrabant nomen habuit."

Translated: "Eosturmonath, which is now interpreted as the paschal month, was formerly named after the goddess Eostre, and has given its name to the festival."
Paganism. Fech!


http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/716/jesushe7.jpg

Not all christain faiths celebrate easter either, Jehovah Witnesses, dont celebrate Christmas, Easter, New Yrs, Fathers & Mothers day and birthdays.:roll:

[Letum]

Do Jews use the standard calender?
IIRC the standard calender got moved around in the 16th Century so that all dates since then are at least 2 weeks away from what they where before and dates in certain months are all a year out due to the change of the new year date around the same time. Jewish calendar (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/calendar.html).
Thanks!


eii!...."Jewish year is not the same length as a solar year" that's confusing!

Why do they have leap years if the Jewish year is not the same length as a solar year anyway? :hmm:


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Not all christian faiths celebrate Easter either, Jehovah Witnesses, don't celebrate Christmas, Easter, New Yrs, Fathers & Mothers day and birthdays. just for the fun of pedantism:
No Christian Churches celebrate Fathers & Mothers day technically. I don't know about the roots of Father's Day, but we didn't have it when I was young and Mothers day is a derivative of Mothering Sunday which is originally about returning to your "mother Church" and nothing to do with your biological mother. (IIRC, I am no Christian myself)

[The Avon Lady]

http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/716/jesushe7.jpg
It's always been so tempting to plant one of those on my car's dashboard just for the fun of it. :p
Not all christain faiths celebrate easter either, Jehovah Witnesses, dont celebrate Christmas, Easter, New Yrs, Fathers & Mothers day and birthdays.
Every day is Mother's Day. :yep:
Why do they have leap years if the Jewish year is not the same length as a solar year anyway?
To retain a syncronization between solar years and lunar years so that the 4 season fall into a flexible position within the Jewish calendar. So that Passover falls at winter end/spring start, Shavuot (Pentacost) falls out late spring and Succot (Tabernacles) falls out summer end/fall start. The lunar year is shorter than the solar year.

[kiwi_2005]

No Christian Churches celebrate Fathers & Mothers day technically.

Your right. Most christain faiths recognise Fathers/Mothers day, like they allow their children to wish their mum a happy mothers day, but Jehovah Witnesses wont even allow that, cause i am told you only worship one God and celebration should only be for Him.

[Kruger]

I have some relatives in the States, and they are jewish. I just want to know when I should call them...and wish them all the best, stuff like this.

[joea]

In the Eastern Orthodox churches, Easter is referred to as Pascha. :know:

[bradclark1]

Your right. Most christain faiths recognise Fathers/Mothers day, like they allow their children to wish their mum a happy mothers day, but Jehovah Witnesses wont even allow that, cause i am told you only worship one God and celebration should only be for Him.
Yeah, not even birthdays. It must suck being a kid.

[The Avon Lady]

I have some relatives in the States, and they are jewish. I just want to know when I should call them...and wish them all the best, stuff like this.
Sunday, April 1, or Monday before sundown. Even the week before is just fine. We're already wishing people here a happy holiday.

Do it right and show off a bit. Wish them a "Chag Sah'mei'ach" (Hebrew, the 2 "ch" sounds are gutteral) or if that's too difficult to pronounce, say "Good Yom Tov" (Yiddish/Hebrew) - all meaning "happy holiday".
In the Eastern Orthodox churches, Easter is referred to as Pascha.
Pascha is Aramaic for Pesach which is Hebrew for Passover in English. Origin:
"I will pass through the land of Egypt on this night, and I will smite every firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast, and upon all the gods of Egypt will I wreak judgments I, the Lord.

And the blood will be for you for a sign upon the houses where you will be, and I will see the blood and pass over <U'Pasachti> you, and there will be no plague to destroy [you] when I smite the [people of the] land of Egypt."
- Exodus 12:12-13

[Iceman]

Galatians 4

[1] Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all;
[2] But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father.
[3] Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:
[4] But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
[5] To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
[6] And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
[7] Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
[8] Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.
[9] But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
[10] Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.
[11] I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.
[12] Brethren, I beseech you, be as I am; for I am as ye are: ye have not injured me at all.
[13] Ye know how through infirmity of the flesh I preached the gospel unto you at the first.
[14] And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.
[15] Where is then the blessedness ye spake of? for I bear you record, that, if it had been possible, ye would have plucked out your own eyes, and have given them to me.
[16] Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?
[17] They zealously affect you, but not well; yea, they would exclude you, that ye might affect them.
[18] But it is good to be zealously affected always in a good thing, and not only when I am present with you.
[19] My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,
[20] I desire to be present with you now, and to change my voice; for I stand in doubt of you.
[21] Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
[22] For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
[23] But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
[24] Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
[25] For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
[26] But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
[27] For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
[28] Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
[29] But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
[30] Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
[31] So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

A day of rest and the passover are the only days I recall to be observed by man...and as to the specific day of either I think that is silly, obedience is done in the heart between a man and God.

Jewish Easter ...what a topic lol... :)

[The Avon Lady]

and as to the specific day of either I think that is silly, obedience is done in the heart between a man and God.
I wonder whether Jesus thought Malachi was silly. :hmm:

22. Keep in remembrance the teaching of Moses, My servant-the laws and ordinances which I commanded him in Horeb for all Israel.
23. Lo, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord,
24. that he may turn the heart of the fathers back through the children, and the heart of the children back through their fathers-lest I come and smite the earth with utter destruction."
- Malachi 3

Come to think of it, I wonder whether Jesus thought G-d Himself was silly. :hmm:

44. But despite all this, while they are in the land of their enemies, I will not despise them nor will I reject them to annihilate them, thereby breaking My covenant that is with them, for I am the Lord their God.
45. I will remember for them the covenant [made with] the ancestors, whom I took out from the land of Egypt before the eyes of the nations, to be a God to them. I am the Lord.
46. These are the statutes, the ordinances, and the laws that the Lord gave between Himself and the children of Israel on Mount Sinai, by the hand of Moses.
- Leviticus 26


7. For what great nation is there that has God so near to it, as the Lord our God is at all times that we call upon Him?
8. And which great nation is it that has just statutes and ordinances, as this entire Torah, which I set before you this day?
- Deuteronomy 4

Jesus wouldn't have known what in the world Paul was yapping about some 49 years later.

[JSLTIGER]

I have some relatives in the States, and they are jewish. I just want to know when I should call them...and wish them all the best, stuff like this. Sunday, April 1, or Monday before sundown. Even the week before is just fine. We're already wishing people here a happy holiday.

Do it right and show off a bit. Wish them a "Chag Sah'mei'ach" (Hebrew, the 2 "ch" sounds are gutteral) or if that's too difficult to pronounce, say "Good Yom Tov" (Yiddish/Hebrew) - all meaning "happy holiday".
In the Eastern Orthodox churches, Easter is referred to as Pascha. Pascha is Aramaic for Pesach which is Hebrew for Passover in English. Origin:
"I will pass through the land of Egypt on this night, and I will smite every firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast, and upon all the gods of Egypt will I wreak judgments I, the Lord.

And the blood will be for you for a sign upon the houses where you will be, and I will see the blood and pass over <U'Pasachti> you, and there will be no plague to destroy [you] when I smite the [people of the] land of Egypt."
- Exodus 12:12-13
To the first part of this, most calendars have the date for Passover (and other Jewish holidays on them. If you call the day before you see them, you should be set.

As for the second part, the reason for the similarity in the name and timing between Easter and Passover probably has to do with the fact that Jesus' Last Supper was actually a Passover Seder (the festive meal held on the first and second nights of the holiday [except in Israel, where it's only held on the first night]).

P.S. @ Avon Lady: I know its a little early for this yet, but from someone in the Diaspora:
!לשנה הבאה בירושלים

[Iceman]

and as to the specific day of either I think that is silly, obedience is done in the heart between a man and God.
I wonder whether Jesus thought Malachi was silly. :hmm:

22. Keep in remembrance the teaching of Moses, My servant-the laws and ordinances which I commanded him in Horeb for all Israel.
23. Lo, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord,
24. that he may turn the heart of the fathers back through the children, and the heart of the children back through their fathers-lest I come and smite the earth with utter destruction."
- Malachi 3

Come to think of it, I wonder whether Jesus thought G-d Himself was silly. :hmm:

44. But despite all this, while they are in the land of their enemies, I will not despise them nor will I reject them to annihilate them, thereby breaking My covenant that is with them, for I am the Lord their God.
45. I will remember for them the covenant [made with] the ancestors, whom I took out from the land of Egypt before the eyes of the nations, to be a God to them. I am the Lord.
46. These are the statutes, the ordinances, and the laws that the Lord gave between Himself and the children of Israel on Mount Sinai, by the hand of Moses.
- Leviticus 26


7. For what great nation is there that has God so near to it, as the Lord our God is at all times that we call upon Him?
8. And which great nation is it that has just statutes and ordinances, as this entire Torah, which I set before you this day?
- Deuteronomy 4

Jesus wouldn't have known what in the world Paul was yapping about some 49 years later.

Acts 7
[49] Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?
[50] Hath not my hand made all these things?
[51] Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.

Cursed is eveyone that liveth under the law.

Saved by Grace Baby! :)

[The Avon Lady]

Acts 7
[49] Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?
[50] Hath not my hand made all these things?
[51] Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
Plagiarized from Isaiah 66, the final chapter of the book:

1. So says the Lord, "The heavens are My throne, and the earth is My footstool; which is the house that you will build for Me, and which is the place of My rest?
2. And all these My hand made, and all these have become," says the Lord. "But to this one will I look, to one poor and of crushed spirit, who hastens to do My bidding.

Read carefully into context and you'll see that it's referring to the latter period of the 1st Temple, with Isaiah rebuking Israel for being hyporcrites in bringing offerings and sinning day in and out. Under such circumstances, G-d says that he indeed does not need us to "house" Him, so to speak.

And in fact, the end of chapter 66 refers to the redemption, the restoration of the Temple in Jerusalem and the return of the Priests and Levites to its service:

20. And they shall bring all your brethren from all the nations as a tribute to the Lord, with horses and with chariots, and with covered wagons and with mules and with joyous songs upon My holy mount, Jerusalem," says the Lord, "as the children of Israel bring the offering in a pure vessel to the house of the Lord.
21. And from them too will I take for priests and for Levites," says the Lord.

More Christian bubakishkes. Bummer.

Cursed is eveyone that liveth under the law.
Meaningless. We've been doing just fine as far as this goes, thanks.

You have yet to deal with the contradictions of this - according to you - most fickle G-d, who says one thing one day and supposedly gets emotionally moody and flips everything completely around a few centuries later.
Saved by Grace Baby! :)
Again meaningless.

[The Avon Lady]

Late here. But I'll leave you, Iceman, with one last quote:

17. Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy but to fulfil.
18. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one title shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
- Mattew V

Actually, a very Jewish teaching that is. Confirmed in another verse:

20. And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law.
- Acts XXI

Looking forward tomorrow to reading your reconciliations of such blatant contradictions and the ripping off of verses without retaining their original context.

[Iceman]

More Jewish stiffnecked-ness. Bummer.

I have nothing to say to you AL as you will strive to the end of your days with the law just please don't try to enslave others with it...a person in Christ Jesus fufills ALL the laws...how about you?

The dust falls off my shoes here...

[kiwi_2005]

Tis becoming A war of words.

Iceman you keep putting up your verses from the bible i enjoy reading them and im sure a few here do also. Avon your discription of your Judism is all new to me but it helps to know what you ppl believe. Ive got two teachers in one forum!, mature enough i think to stop the mud flinging. ;)

Peace.:)

[geetrue]

I wonder whether Jesus thought Malachi was silly. :hmm:

Seeing how Jesus lives in my heart ... I asked him if he thought Malachi was silly and this was His answer:


Malachi 4

1For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch. 2But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall. 3And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.


The Lord always answers my prayers with "Yes", "No" or "Wait" ... except one time He gave me a Jewish answer and said, "What's in it for me"

I had been praying for revival ... :yep:

[d@rk51d3]

Not all christain faiths celebrate easter either, Jehovah Witnesses, dont celebrate Christmas, Easter, New Yrs, Fathers & Mothers day and birthdays.:roll:


Actually, they do celebrate Easter. Just, not with bunnys and eggs and all that other unrelated crap. It's celebrated on Nisan 14 / 15 of the Jewish calendar in accordance with the command to "keep doing this in remembrance of me".:up:

[The Avon Lady]

More Jewish stiffnecked-ness. Bummer.
The first time Jews are called stiff-necked is by G-d, after the sin of the golden calf:

7. And the Lord said to Moses: "Go, descend, for your people that you have brought up from the land of Egypt have acted corruptly.
8. They have quickly turned away from the path that I have commanded them; they have made themselves a molten calf! And they have prostrated themselves before it, slaughtered sacrifices to it, and said: 'These are your gods, O Israel, who have brought you up from the land of Egypt.' "
9. And the Lord said to Moses: "I have seen this people and behold! they are a stiff necked people.
10. Now leave Me alone, and My anger will be kindled against them so that I will annihilate them, and I will make you into a great nation."
- Exodus 32

The term is never used when the children of Israel adhere to G-d's mitzvot - commandments. So I suggest you apply the Bible's terminology appropriately and not at your whim when it suits you.
I have nothing to say to you AL
Yet you keep on hurling your fire and brimstone at me. This is not the first thread you do so. See ya later. :up:
as you will strive to the end of your days with the law just please don't try to enslave others with it...
If you still don't know it Judaism does not advocate proselytiziation. We're not desparate to take in a billion pagans overnight.
I wonder whether Jesus thought Malachi was silly.
Seeing how Jesus lives in my heart ...
We all have strong emotions in our hearts about beliefs and hopes.
I asked him if he thought Malachi was silly and this was His answer:
Originally Posted by Jesus
Malachi 4

1For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch. 2But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall. 3And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.
You have not dealt with the contradiction of Malachi 3:22, what Iceman wrote, nor even of NT Acts XXI:20.

Jesus is most confused.
The Lord always answers my prayers with "Yes", "No" or "Wait" ...
Well, there aren't too many choices left now, are there? :88)
except one time He gave me a Jewish answer and said, "What's in it for me"
Jewish answer? Smack of vile stereotyping. Where's Avon's pound of flesh, perhaps?

Actually, "what's in it for me" is more like what Paul advertised to the Greek pagans he upgraded to Christianity.
I had been praying for revival ...
It will come alright. Not to worry. And it will be a joint project.

[geetrue]

To: The Avon Lady

The only Jewish people I've seen that good with the New Testament have been completed Jews ... Perhaps your just one step away from joining Iceman and me to agree that the messiah has arrived.

With that seed planted I would like to remind you that my birthday comes on Easter this year and I would take it kindly if you would say a little prayer for me, because I believe we have the same God.

Jesus did say one thing I think we all need this Easter; "Come unto me and I will give you rest"

[The Avon Lady]

To: The Avon Lady

The only Jewish people I've seen that good with the New Testament have been completed Jews ...
You should meet the experts, if you dare.
Perhaps your just one step away from joining Iceman and me to agree that the messiah has arrived.
Nada. Please don't make me google for the NT's verses on the 2nd coming which never came. I'm too tired.

With that seed planted I would like to remind you that my birthday comes on Easter this year and I would take it kindly if you would say a little prayer for me, because I believe we have the same God.
We do not worship the same god in any way whatsoever. You don't need my prayers. You seem to be doing fine.
Jesus did say one thing I think we all need this Easter; "Come unto me and I will give you rest"
Ambiguous and factually innacurate for over 2000 years.

Yeh, yeh, he's here, I know. :roll: