Which of the S-class boats will be modeled?

[LukeFF]

I was looking up submarine information on Wikipedia, and according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_S_class_submarine, there were four different Groups of the type. Does anyone know which one the game will model?

[Sailor Steve]

Hard to say, unless they manage to have the different performances for different types. One I'm certain won't be in there is the tiny handful with the stern tube; which surpisingly was the one that was in SH1. Fortunately Hawk's Silent Hunter Utilities fixed that.

[hyperion2206]

I was looking up submarine information on Wikipedia, and according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_S_class_submarine, there were four different Groups of the type. Does anyone know which one the game will model?
I think it will be Group III, because I've read that the S-class subs in SH4 don't have a stern tube.

[LukeFF]

I think it will be Group III, because I've read that the S-class subs in SH4 don't have a stern tube.
Looking at the characteristics of Group I and which ones were lost during the war, I think this Group makes the most sense to model (although one could also make a case for Group III).

[hyperion2206]

I think it will be Group III, because I've read that the S-class subs in SH4 don't have a stern tube.
Looking at the characterisitcs of Group III and which ones were lost during the war, this Group does make the most sense to model (although one could also make a case for Group I).

Could be, but that would be the oldest of the whole class which is probably not so good while being depthcharged.:dead:

[LukeFF]

Could be, but that would be the oldest of the whole class which is probably not so good while being depthcharged.:dead:

True, but, looking at the list, the Group Is hold the top spot for number lost during the war. Not a good thing, of course, but that leads me to believe they were the most numerous ones of the class in the Pacific at the outbreak of the war.

[hyperion2206]

Could be, but that would be the oldest of the whole class which is probably not so good while being depthcharged.:dead:
True, but, looking at the list, the Group Is hold the top spot for number lost during the war. Not a good thing, of course, but that leads me to believe they were the most numerous ones of the class in the Pacific at the outbreak of the war.

Here's the list:

Group I: Lost 12 boats in totall,1 was scrapped between the war, 5 boats were lost during WWII, 6 were given to the Royal Navy

Group II: Lost 6 boats in total, 2 were lost at sea between the wars,4 were scrapped between the wars ,0 were lost during WW II

Group III: Lost 1 boat in total, 1 was lost during WW II

Group IV: Lost 3 boats in total,1 was scrapped between the wars ,2 were lost during WW II

We can see that Group one lost most boats during the war which suggests that they were rather unsafe and not fit for the war. Group III lost only one boat at all which makes me believe that this class should be modeled.

[AG124]

Maybe two or more groups will be included as upgrades, as the IIA and IID were included in SHIII.:hmm: I believe that Dev team has suggested that there would be such upgrade variants (and not just base classes), although the S-Class was not planned to be included at that time. This may only mean minor upgrades though, and not sub-class variants.

[NEON DEON]

There were five S classes.

S 1 length 219 feet 25 in class

S 2 length 207 feet 1 in class (Lake)

S 3 lenght 231 feet 15 in class (Government)

S 42 length 225 feet 6 in class

S 48 length 240 feet 4 in class (only S boats constructed with a rear tube)

of those five classes, only two classes made Pacific war patrols.

S 1 class

S 42 class

The only S class to be sunk by enemy fire was a gun battle between the S-44 (S-42 class)and and an IJN destroyer. The S-44 mistook the destroyer for a small merchant and opened fire at close range.

Five other S boats were lost in the war. All were the S 1 class. Of these five, 3 ran aground (no depth meter?), one collided with her own escort and sank and the last in training accident off Hawaii.

The last S 42 class boat to be commisioned was the S 47 in 1925.

THe last S 1 class boat to be commisioned was the S 41 in 1924.

No S boats were lost due to IJN ASW.

[Tigrone]

Had to really hunt to find this again. It has the detail and many images of our in-game S-boat, along with the other classes we get.

http://www.marinesims.de/site/silent-hunter-4/sh4-35.html

[AG124]

:o Never noticed that section before. Thanks for posting that.:up:

BTW - Did I see both the Salmon and Sargo classes there?:hmm:

[Tigrone]

:o Never noticed that section before. Thanks for posting that.:up:

BTW - Did I see both the Salmon and Sargo classes there?:hmm:

Yes they are both there. I can't tell if we get 2 versions of each class or not, original tower with 3" and new cut-away conning towers and deck guns of '43 refits.

[LukeFF]

Had to really hunt to find this again. It has the detail and many images of our in-game S-boat, along with the other classes we get.

http://www.marinesims.de/site/silent-hunter-4/sh4-35.html

Thanks for the link. From the data and info shown there, we'll be getting the Group I class. From what I've read, these boats did not have a TDC. Is that correct?

[Tigrone]

They did it the old fashioned way, I believe:

Get out your sliderule. You are are going to need all your plotting tools. Let's see, I need a plot, the Is-Was, sliderule, divider, protractor, and a lot of practice.

[Sailor Steve]

I think I'll just point, shoot and pray.

[BellJack95]

You are correct LukeFF. The S-class boats were too small to have a TDC installed. One key sentence from the article says:

"The new TDC, which went into the fleet boats, where there was room to shoehorn it into the conning tower, was designed for use with the 21-inch Mark-14 torpedo."

Here is the link to FleetSubmarines website for the entire article... http://www.fleetsubmarine.com/torpedoes.html

So we can expect to do it the old fashioned way in the S-boat (using the Mark-10 torpedo that only had contact exploders) and to have the TDC (with the defective early torpedoes) in a Fleet boat.

[Tigrone]

"So we can expect to do it the old fashioned way in the S-boat (using the Mark-10 torpedo that only had contact exploders) and to have the TDC (with the defective early torpedoes) in a Fleet boat."

Kind of makes you want to take out someone a little more mature for your first date. At least you might score.

[Shaffer4]

Had to really hunt to find this again. It has the detail and many images of our in-game S-boat, along with the other classes we get.

http://www.marinesims.de/site/silent-hunter-4/sh4-35.html


Someone whom speaks german should let these guys know that the Images of the Sargo and Balao Class boats are reversed (as evidenced by the names of the photos.)

[flyingdane]

<No trolling, please - Gizzmoe>

[LukeFF]

You are correct LukeFF. The S-class boats were too small to have a TDC installed. One key sentence from the article says:

"The new TDC, which went into the fleet boats, where there was room to shoehorn it into the conning tower, was designed for use with the 21-inch Mark-14 torpedo."

Here is the link to FleetSubmarines website for the entire article... http://www.fleetsubmarine.com/torpedoes.html

So we can expect to do it the old fashioned way in the S-boat (using the Mark-10 torpedo that only had contact exploders) and to have the TDC (with the defective early torpedoes) in a Fleet boat.
Thanks for the info. It should be interesting carrying out torpedo attacks a la WWI style. :cool:

[flyingdane]

<No trolling, please - Gizzmoe>

Hey Gizzmoe please tell us what is trolling ok! :hmm:

[LukeFF]

<No trolling, please - Gizzmoe>
Hey Gizzmoe please tell us what is trolling ok! :hmm:

:roll:

[flyingdane]

Have bin a member of this forum for 3 years and now i am a trole. :cry:

[flyingdane]

Sorry everyone I won't post again. :cry:

[CCIP]

Well, for one, perhaps you should 1) post sensible (and decipherable) comments; 2) avoid derailing threads; 3) posting while intoxicated... NOT

All else would be fine, don't worry - I know you can post just fine, since I've seen you do that. But hey, it's a naval forum, keep the 'ship' in order will ya :p

[Gizzmoe]

<No trolling, please - Gizzmoe>
Hey Gizzmoe please tell us what is trolling ok! :hmm:

Someone reported your post, he wrote: "Is this a Troll? Message seems only intended to provoke a hostile response." I saw it the same way. Or did you think that your remark would have somehow lead to a good discussion about the pros and cons of S-class boats?

By the way, from the forum rules:
"If a member wishes to challenge a Moderator action that involves the member, this challenge must be raised in private via PM or email, not in public."

[flyingdane]

Well, for one, perhaps you should 1) post sensible (and decipherable) comments; 2) avoid derailing threads; 3) posting while intoxicated... NOT

All else would be fine, don't worry - I know you can post just fine, since I've seen you do that. But hey, it's a naval forum, keep the 'ship' in order will ya :p

Your right sorry every one, Intoxicated yes a troll no.:oops:

[AG124]

Sorry to drag up an old thread, but it looks like we will be getting the S-42 variant as well in patch 1.1.:up: Two S-Class variants (the two main ones) seems fine to me.:cool:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=108143