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maybe off topic, but have you ever think how many sea animals died during a single DC attack? my grand father told me that during WW2, he was in the mountains with his friends, and as they were hungry and they had no fishing rod, they threw a grenade to the river. (they were soldiers). after the explosion, plenty of dead fishes appeared on the surface...
so if one small grenade caused death to so many animals, what impact had thousands of DC? or a single sunk tanker?
IRONxMortlock
03-09-07, 03:01 AM
Not only this but think about the sheer amount of oil which was spilt into the seas!
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Not only this but think about the sheer amount of oil which was spilt into the seas!
that s what I meant by "a single sunk tanker"
Zero Niner
03-09-07, 03:33 AM
maybe off topic, but have you ever think how many sea animals died during a single DC attack? my grand father told me that during WW2, he was in the mountains with his friends, and as they were hungry and they had no fishing rod, they threw a grenade to the river. (they were soldiers). after the explosion, plenty of dead fishes appeared on the surface...
so if one small grenade caused death to so many animals, what impact had thousands of DC? or a single sunk tanker?
Then again, the sound of high speed screws & sonar pings might've scared the fish away... :know:
Dantenoc
03-09-07, 03:42 AM
The stories of all those dead fish washing up on the shore during D-Day come to mind. :yep:
Then again, the sound of high speed screws & sonar pings might've scared the fish away... :know:
heh I almost forgot! Off course, sound of screws and pings had the most detrimental effect on sea life:)
I have read that "Operation Drumbeat" (the attack of German u-boats on the U.S. coast early 1942) was also so successfull because the Hotel and bar owners on the Florida coast refused to black-out, because they were concerned that this will harm the tourist business. As a result, the german u-boats found ships perfectely illumiated from the nearby coast.
After the german u-boats had sunk a few tankers thanks to that, the hotel and bar owners around the Florida coast had a different problem, as the beaches were now full of oil, wreckage and here and then bodies of dead sailors. That was the time they agreed that a black-out would have been the lesser problem for thier business.
Cheers,
AndyW
Torplexed
03-09-07, 08:07 AM
Not only this but think about the sheer amount of oil which was spilt into the seas!
A very large tanker in WW2 was about 15,000 gross registered tons. Most were around 8,000 tons. The Exxon Valdez was 110,831 grt. The really big supertankers are up to 240,000 tons displacement. You'd have to sink a lot of full-up tankers (not sailing in ballast) in WW2 to create the devastation of one supertanker sinking today. I'm not saying it didn't have an impact, but the effects were'nt nearly as concentrated as they would be in the postwar future.
Corsair
03-09-07, 08:18 AM
Listening to a few DDs dropping cans at a safe distance from my sub, I sure think they are killing a lot of fish... The sea birds will have a hell of a good time after that when things quiet down...:D
Listening to a few DDs dropping cans at a safe distance from my sub, I sure think they are killing a lot of fish... The sea birds will have a hell of a good time after that when things quiet down...:D
how cynical! :-? :D:D
Corsair
03-09-07, 08:47 AM
Listening to a few DDs dropping cans at a safe distance from my sub, I sure think they are killing a lot of fish... The sea birds will have a hell of a good time after that when things quiet down...:D
how cynical! :-? :D:D
Just trying to see the positive side of things...:D
Kingswat
03-09-07, 09:46 AM
Not only this but think about the sheer amount of oil which was spilt into the seas!
well, the "oil hurts stuff" attitude is just a conspiracy by the people that hug trees to get us to stop using oil.
Foghladh_mhara
03-09-07, 09:55 AM
Not only this but think about the sheer amount of oil which was spilt into the seas!
well, the "oil hurts stuff" attitude is just a conspiracy by the people that hug trees to get us to stop using oil.
Yeah, damned tree huggers. They're prob behind that 'smoking is bad for you' crap as well just so we wont hurt the tobacco plants:down:
AVGWarhawk
03-09-07, 12:04 PM
Many a whale was tracked and DC'd:o.
What's in that uboat somewhere of Norway......mercury I think!?!?. It is leaking now and creating a mess.
Kpt. Kozloff
03-09-07, 12:26 PM
What's in that uboat somewhere of Norway......mercury I think!?!?. It is leaking now and creating a mess.
Correct. 5th Dec 1944, British sub Venturer torpedoed U-864, wich sunk with 73 men and 1857 canisters of mercury as well as jet-plane parts, destined for Japan.
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42372000/gif/_42372131_sub_u864_416x277.gif
AVGWarhawk
03-09-07, 12:34 PM
Darn boats still being pesky after all these years:hmm:
Iron Budokan
03-09-07, 01:16 PM
Is it true sharks used to come around in the area because they recognized depth charges as sort of a "dinner bell'? Like Pavlov's dogs. Possibility of fresh meat being served up.
I remember hearing about this happening all the time in the Pacific campaign, but I can't remember the source and I don't know if it's true....
AVGWarhawk
03-09-07, 01:19 PM
If any of you read Torpedo Junction the Dione would feed seagulls off the fantail. Once they had to start DC'ing the uboats off the east coast of the US, the darn seagulls would show up off the fantail thinking bread was coming. The poor little buggers got the shower of water from the DC and most got killed as a result:o Oh, well, one less seagull to crap on my car:nope:
leeclose
03-09-07, 04:28 PM
Also ive heard of Active sonar frying Dolphins whe they got to close to Ships and subs going active:down:
Heibges
03-09-07, 09:56 PM
In other words, a drunken Supertanker Captain is worse for the environment than 30 torpedoed tanker in WWII. :)
leeclose
03-10-07, 06:51 AM
hmm lemme see how many ships were sunk during WW2 including Allies and axis from 39 to 45 trust me its way going to outweigh any super tanker by a factor of 50:up: I mean there are ships ie the royal oak thats still leaking oil fuel 67 ish years later, and thats a 1000 tons jesus wept thats enoug to kill thousands of sea birds then the sub mentioned above us and all the other weird ****. Oh and lets remember the 2 nuclerar bombs 62 years later there are still people in nagasaka and hiroshima with birth defects and cancer/leukema now thats enviromental impact:down:
NipplesTheCat
03-10-07, 12:09 PM
All of that devastation and somehow were still here. Why dont you go recycle your sandals you hippie! ;)
leeclose
03-10-07, 12:14 PM
All of that devastation and somehow were still here. Why dont you go recycle your sandals you hippie! ;) LMAO hippy i aint:up:
NipplesTheCat
03-10-07, 12:15 PM
Hehe just givin you a hard time.
leeclose
03-10-07, 12:18 PM
Hey i got a wife and a stroppy teenager for that:up:
IceGrog
03-10-07, 12:50 PM
maybe off topic, but have you ever think how many sea animals died during a single DC attack? my grand father told me that during WW2, he was in the mountains with his friends, and as they were hungry and they had no fishing rod, they threw a grenade to the river. (they were soldiers). after the explosion, plenty of dead fishes appeared on the surface...
so if one small grenade caused death to so many animals, what impact had thousands of DC? or a single sunk tanker?
Pearl Harbor, I hear also that sunken ships there are still leaking liquids, that’s 66 years ago.
I’ve seen Afghanistan’s grenade fishing in a lake and they were pulling out large ones and a lot of them
Kapt. Crunch
03-10-07, 04:41 PM
:smug: Just replace a few of your light bulbs with those special Al Gore light bulbs and all will be forgiven as your carbon imprint will be righted.
NipplesTheCat
03-10-07, 04:55 PM
Too bad they dont make CFL light bulbs in the shape of Al Gores head.
ReallyDedPoet
03-10-07, 05:23 PM
What's in that uboat somewhere of Norway......mercury I think!?!?. It is leaking now and creating a mess.
Correct. 5th Dec 1944, British sub Venturer torpedoed U-864, wich sunk with 73 men and 1857 canisters of mercury as well as jet-plane parts, destined for Japan.
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42372000/gif/_42372131_sub_u864_416x277.gif
I remember seeing this on the History Channel.
kiwi_2005
03-10-07, 06:18 PM
Listening to a few DDs dropping cans at a safe distance from my sub, I sure think they are killing a lot of fish... The sea birds will have a hell of a good time after that when things quiet down...:D
Yeah plus the seagulls use to have a feast on dead sailors, i read in a book once a biography of a uboat crew coming alongside a inflatable they found floating around in the middle of the atlantic, inside were three sailors and two hanging on outside all stiff and sitting up straight & the two outside were just bobing up and down like corks all dead of course, each one had his eyes missing. Seagulls said the kapitan, probably plucked them out when they were too weak to fight back. :dead:
Save mankind, kill a seagull!:yep:
leeclose
03-10-07, 06:27 PM
:up: The RN has a nickname for seagulls(**** hawks) cause they will eat any ole ****
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