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In a Military Channel special that ranked the top ten military submarines the VII took #1 and the nine never even surfaced. So you IXers can kiss my stern. :p
High Voltage
03-06-07, 01:01 AM
Heh, just saw the same thing but didn't want to swat the hive and wake up its residents...;););)
Please, if you want to excape the wrath of a IXer all you have to do is sidestep once every ten minutes.
IXB was counted msot succesful sub on the German side in all of WW2. The AK-47 is rated in the top 10 guns of the world but could easily be beat by some other guns F2000 L8 etc.
IXB was counted msot succesful sub on the German side in all of WW2. The AK-47 is rated in the top 10 guns of the world but could easily be beat by some other guns F2000 L8 etc.
Usually its not the gun the really counts though its usually whos bullet hits first :p
Ducimus
03-06-07, 02:38 AM
Well apparently they also said the Gato has 10 bow tubes or some such rott? Suuuureee.
I personaly think the type9 uboat fandom isn't so much the boat, but how a career game ends up being played out in one vs the other.
Kpt. Kozloff
03-06-07, 04:39 AM
IXB was counted msot succesful sub on the German side in all of WW2. The AK-47 is rated in the top 10 guns of the world but could easily be beat by some other guns F2000 L8 etc.
The most succesful German submarine of WW2 was U-48, a VIIb type. That's a fact.:know:
IXB was counted msot succesful sub on the German side in all of WW2. The AK-47 is rated in the top 10 guns of the world but could easily be beat by some other guns F2000 L8 etc.
The most succesful German submarine of WW2 was U-48, a VIIb type. That's a fact.:know:
The most succesful class was the IXB and thats a fact :know:. VII's there is no point arguing and If I said that the Flower Corvette was the most powerfull DD yes DD of WW2 on TV you would beleive me?
Kpt. Kozloff
03-06-07, 07:57 AM
IXB was counted msot succesful sub on the German side in all of WW2. The AK-47 is rated in the top 10 guns of the world but could easily be beat by some other guns F2000 L8 etc.
The most succesful German submarine of WW2 was U-48, a VIIb type. That's a fact.:know:
The most succesful class was the IXB and thats a fact :know:. VII's there is no point arguing and If I said that the Flower Corvette was the most powerfull DD yes DD of WW2 on TV you would beleive me?
Oh boy,
Stop blabbing and check this out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unterseeboot_48_%281939%29
Statistics matey!
The VII is the best U-Boat in the same way that the AK47 is the best gun.
There are better boats/guns in terms of performance. In most conditions the IX performs better than the VII.
What makes the VII and the AK47 the best is the way they have become iconic.
Ask people to draw a famous rifle and they will draw a AK47, ask them to draw a famous sub and they will draw something that looks like a VII, even if they have never heard of a VIIC. (ok, so many people will draw the Beetle's sub, but the VII will be a close second ;) )
That is why the VII got #1.
IXB was counted msot succesful sub on the German side in all of WW2. The AK-47 is rated in the top 10 guns of the world but could easily be beat by some other guns F2000 L8 etc.
The most succesful German submarine of WW2 was U-48, a VIIb type. That's a fact.:know:
The most succesful class was the IXB and thats a fact :know:. VII's there is no point arguing and If I said that the Flower Corvette was the most powerfull DD yes DD of WW2 on TV you would beleive me?
Oh boy,
Stop blabbing and check this out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unterseeboot_48_%281939%29
Statistics matey!
You linked 1 boat now just find the statistics for all the other IIB's compare them to the IXB's and tell me what you find out. Also using wikipedia to back up an argument is a bad idea wikipedia is a open sourced information center anyone can write anything that they want about it. So NEXT time read the full post. Oh and heres my backup. http://uboat.net/types/index.html
Would you look at that IXB most victorious IIC workhorse IIB awww nothing. And unlike wiki this is a good source which contains captains logs etc. Now next time promise me you will look up the facts arguing yours before you go ahead and make yourself look like a fool. Ive been around discussion forums quite a bit mostly bf2s.com Debate and Serious Talk section. So I do know what im talking about.... most of the time :shifty:, and this is that most of the time.
Quoted from U-boat.net
"Type IXB was an improved version of type IX (http://uboat.net/types/ix.htm) with increased range of 1500 nautical miles and slightly heavier. The designed was improved again in the IXC type.
This type was the most successful overall with each boat averaging over 100,000 tons of sinking. They had 23 torpedoes stored which gave a determined U-boat commander a serious striking power which could be used night after night against the same convoy, as was often the case.
Perhaps the most famous IXB boat was the U-123 (http://uboat.net/find_boat.php3?find_boat=123) under the command of Kptlt. Hardegen (http://uboat.net/men/hardegen.htm) which opened up the attack in the US waters in early 1942 known as Operation Drumbeat. U-107 (http://uboat.net/find_boat.php3?find_boat=107), under the command of Hessler, made the most successful convoy mission of the war over with close to 100,000 tons sunk out of Freetown, Africa."
AVGWarhawk
03-06-07, 09:59 AM
The best boats were the ones that made it home:yep:
Hahahahaha! The residents woke up :D :shifty: :doh: :damn: :sunny: :huh: What next, line up a bunch of VIIs on one side and a few IXs on the other and start shooting torpedoes on each other?
I, for one, gonna go out in my sumbie and sink some Tommies. When I come back, things should be quiet and I'll play dominoes and drink cognac with Thompsen. :smug:
The best boats were the ones that made it home:yep:
HAHA too true. Even while I don't exactly get why we are arguing about a point on which people surely wont change their minds about what did annoy me was the amount of arrogance one of the members showed then when one totally ignored what I wrote in my post. My true decision is im a IXB captain but it comes down to the skill of the captain. You could have a IIA vs the Kursk as long as the IIA had a excellent captain it would beat the Kursk if it had a crap captain. If the Kursk had a good captain may god help all those stuck in the tin can called the IIA. Ending statemant, without a good captain your as good as dead anyway.
Kpt. Kozloff
03-06-07, 10:17 AM
IXB was counted msot succesful sub on the German side in all of WW2. The AK-47 is rated in the top 10 guns of the world but could easily be beat by some other guns F2000 L8 etc.
The most succesful German submarine of WW2 was U-48, a VIIb type. That's a fact.:know:
The most succesful class was the IXB and thats a fact :know:. VII's there is no point arguing and If I said that the Flower Corvette was the most powerfull DD yes DD of WW2 on TV you would beleive me?
Oh boy,
Stop blabbing and check this out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unterseeboot_48_%281939%29
Statistics matey!
You linked 1 boat now just find the statistics for all the other IIB's compare them to the IXB's and tell me what you find out. Also using wikipedia to back up an argument is a bad idea wikipedia is a open sourced information center anyone can write anything that they want about it. So NEXT time read the full post. Oh and heres my backup. http://uboat.net/types/index.html
Would you look at that IXB most victorious IIC workhorse IIB awww nothing. And unlike wiki this is a good source which contains captains logs etc. Now next time promise me you will look up the facts arguing yours before you go ahead and make yourself look like a fool. Ive been around discussion forums quite a bit mostly bf2s.com Debate and Serious Talk section. So I do know what im talking about.... most of the time :shifty:, and this is that most of the time.
Quoted from U-boat.net
"Type IXB was an improved version of type IX (http://uboat.net/types/ix.htm) with increased range of 1500 nautical miles and slightly heavier. The designed was improved again in the IXC type.
This type was the most successful overall with each boat averaging over 100,000 tons of sinking. They had 23 torpedoes stored which gave a determined U-boat commander a serious striking power which could be used night after night against the same convoy, as was often the case.
Perhaps the most famous IXB boat was the U-123 (http://uboat.net/find_boat.php3?find_boat=123) under the command of Kptlt. Hardegen (http://uboat.net/men/hardegen.htm) which opened up the attack in the US waters in early 1942 known as Operation Drumbeat. U-107 (http://uboat.net/find_boat.php3?find_boat=107), under the command of Hessler, made the most successful convoy mission of the war over with close to 100,000 tons sunk out of Freetown, Africa."
First of all, i quoted Wikipedia because it's an open source and easily revisable. The link was to U-48 which is presented very scrupulously in the Wiki. Second, i've done that to show you why the VII type boat was voted No1 in that TV show. It's because of it iconic value. U-48 was the most single succesful u-boat in the WW2 and that's where this iconic status derives from. As well as VII type commanders were the best known. That's all there is.
And yes i know www.uboat.net (http://www.uboat.net), a brilliant site, but the information in this case was better put in the Wiki.
You take it way too personally mate.
For the record i linked the statistic with a VIIb boat not IIb.
Oh, and about reading the full post, it's not about combat capabilities of certain subs, because how to compare IX type to Typhoon class? Ergo, i don't think you understood the subject of this thread.
Iron Budokan
03-06-07, 10:27 AM
It was an okay program. Not entirely substantive, but nice film clips. :up:
IXB was counted msot succesful sub on the German side in all of WW2. The AK-47 is rated in the top 10 guns of the world but could easily be beat by some other guns F2000 L8 etc.
The most succesful German submarine of WW2 was U-48, a VIIb type. That's a fact.:know:
The most succesful class was the IXB and thats a fact :know:. VII's there is no point arguing and If I said that the Flower Corvette was the most powerfull DD yes DD of WW2 on TV you would beleive me?
Oh boy,
Stop blabbing and check this out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unterseeboot_48_%281939%29
Statistics matey!
You linked 1 boat now just find the statistics for all the other IIB's compare them to the IXB's and tell me what you find out. Also using wikipedia to back up an argument is a bad idea wikipedia is a open sourced information center anyone can write anything that they want about it. So NEXT time read the full post. Oh and heres my backup. http://uboat.net/types/index.html
Would you look at that IXB most victorious IIC workhorse IIB awww nothing. And unlike wiki this is a good source which contains captains logs etc. Now next time promise me you will look up the facts arguing yours before you go ahead and make yourself look like a fool. Ive been around discussion forums quite a bit mostly bf2s.com Debate and Serious Talk section. So I do know what im talking about.... most of the time :shifty:, and this is that most of the time.
Quoted from U-boat.net
"Type IXB was an improved version of type IX (http://uboat.net/types/ix.htm) with increased range of 1500 nautical miles and slightly heavier. The designed was improved again in the IXC type.
This type was the most successful overall with each boat averaging over 100,000 tons of sinking. They had 23 torpedoes stored which gave a determined U-boat commander a serious striking power which could be used night after night against the same convoy, as was often the case.
Perhaps the most famous IXB boat was the U-123 (http://uboat.net/find_boat.php3?find_boat=123) under the command of Kptlt. Hardegen (http://uboat.net/men/hardegen.htm) which opened up the attack in the US waters in early 1942 known as Operation Drumbeat. U-107 (http://uboat.net/find_boat.php3?find_boat=107), under the command of Hessler, made the most successful convoy mission of the war over with close to 100,000 tons sunk out of Freetown, Africa."
First of all, i quoted Wikipedia because it's an open source and easily revisable. The link was to U-48 which is presented very scrupulously in the Wiki. Second, i've done that to show you why the VII type boat was voted No1 in that TV show. It's because of it iconic value. U-48 was the most single succesful u-boat in the WW2 and that's where this iconic status derives from. As well as VII type commanders were the best known. That's all there is.
And yes i know www.uboat.net (http://www.uboat.net), a brilliant site, but the information in this case was better put in the Wiki.
You take it way too personally mate.
For the record i linked the statistic with a VIIb boat not IIb.
Oh, and about reading the full post, it's not about combat capabilities of certain subs, because how to compare IX type to Typhoon class? Ergo, i don't think you understood the subject of this thread.
Once again you fail to pass basic English comprehension and really if you are going to use the excuse I don't speak English as a first language guess what neither do I. So lets see you have some problems in understanding how I said that THE CAPTAIN MATTERS MORE THEN THE SUB. AND I SAID A IIA WOULD DEFEAT A TYHPOON CLASS IF IT HAD A BETTER CAPTAIN AND IF THE TYPHOON CLASS HAD A CRAP CAPTAIN. Hopefully writing in caps will make you pay more attention it seems like its something you lack. If you want to continue this pm me cause I can tell this is going to frustrate the crap outta me. Or another option is take English Comprehension 101 and get back to me.
Oh and if the judges voted that the number 1 boat because one of them performed greatly i'd re look the intellect of the judges.
Foghladh_mhara
03-06-07, 10:41 AM
IXB was counted msot succesful sub on the German side in all of WW2. The AK-47 is rated in the top 10 guns of the world but could easily be beat by some other guns F2000 L8 etc.
The most succesful German submarine of WW2 was U-48, a VIIb type. That's a fact.:know:
The most succesful class was the IXB and thats a fact :know:. VII's there is no point arguing and If I said that the Flower Corvette was the most powerfull DD yes DD of WW2 on TV you would beleive me?
Oh boy,
Stop blabbing and check this out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unterseeboot_48_%281939%29
Statistics matey!
You linked 1 boat now just find the statistics for all the other IIB's compare them to the IXB's and tell me what you find out. Also using wikipedia to back up an argument is a bad idea wikipedia is a open sourced information center anyone can write anything that they want about it. So NEXT time read the full post. Oh and heres my backup. http://uboat.net/types/index.html
Would you look at that IXB most victorious IIC workhorse IIB awww nothing. And unlike wiki this is a good source which contains captains logs etc. Now next time promise me you will look up the facts arguing yours before you go ahead and make yourself look like a fool. Ive been around discussion forums quite a bit mostly bf2s.com Debate and Serious Talk section. So I do know what im talking about.... most of the time :shifty:, and this is that most of the time.
Quoted from U-boat.net
"Type IXB was an improved version of type IX (http://uboat.net/types/ix.htm) with increased range of 1500 nautical miles and slightly heavier. The designed was improved again in the IXC type.
This type was the most successful overall with each boat averaging over 100,000 tons of sinking. They had 23 torpedoes stored which gave a determined U-boat commander a serious striking power which could be used night after night against the same convoy, as was often the case.
Perhaps the most famous IXB boat was the U-123 (http://uboat.net/find_boat.php3?find_boat=123) under the command of Kptlt. Hardegen (http://uboat.net/men/hardegen.htm) which opened up the attack in the US waters in early 1942 known as Operation Drumbeat. U-107 (http://uboat.net/find_boat.php3?find_boat=107), under the command of Hessler, made the most successful convoy mission of the war over with close to 100,000 tons sunk out of Freetown, Africa."
First of all, i quoted Wikipedia because it's an open source and easily revisable. The link was to U-48 which is presented very scrupulously in the Wiki. Second, i've done that to show you why the VII type boat was voted No1 in that TV show. It's because of it iconic value. U-48 was the most single succesful u-boat in the WW2 and that's where this iconic status derives from. As well as VII type commanders were the best known. That's all there is.
And yes i know www.uboat.net (http://www.uboat.net), a brilliant site, but the information in this case was better put in the Wiki.
You take it way too personally mate.
For the record i linked the statistic with a VIIb boat not IIb.
Oh, and about reading the full post, it's not about combat capabilities of certain subs, because how to compare IX type to Typhoon class? Ergo, i don't think you understood the subject of this thread.
Once again you fail to pass basic English comprehension and really if you are going to use the excuse I don't speak English as a first language guess what neither do I. So lets see you have some problems in understanding how I said that THE CAPTAIN MATTERS MORE THEN THE SUB. AND I SAID A IIA WOULD DEFEAT A TYHPOON CLASS IF IT HAD A BETTER CAPTAIN AND IF THE TYPHOON CLASS HAD A CRAP CAPTAIN. Hopefully writing in caps will make you pay more attention it seems like its something you lack. If you want to continue this pm me cause I can tell this is going to frustrate the crap outta me. Or another option is take English Comprehension 101 and get back to me.
Oh and if the judges voted that the number 1 boat because one of them performed greatly i'd re look the intellect of the judges.
I dont have anything to say on this subject. Just havent seen so many quotes in one post:D
Kpt. Kozloff
03-06-07, 10:41 AM
Nevermind. I apologise if i offended you in any way. It wasn't my intention. O.k.?:up:
AVGWarhawk
03-06-07, 10:42 AM
@Spray
You are right. Anyone can be handed the best war machine the world but if this person is not too bright then this awesome war machine is just a little red wagon. All subs were great when in the correct hands:up:
Nevermind. I apologise if i offended you in any way. It wasn't my intention. O.k.?:up:
I apologise to its 1 in the morning and im getting cranky I missed off 100K by 4000 tonnes. Was really going for a 3 100K patrols :rotfl:. All honesty I get easily annoyed its one of the bad genes I inherited and probably the worst. Especially if someone doesn't get it after I attempt to write something a lot of times over. Anyway all good on this end I hope you now understand what I mean by you can have the best bit of technology and still lose to the worse peice of technology if you got no brain.
IXB was counted msot succesful sub on the German side in all of WW2. The AK-47 is rated in the top 10 guns of the world but could easily be beat by some other guns F2000 L8 etc.
The most succesful German submarine of WW2 was U-48, a VIIb type. That's a fact.:know:
The most succesful class was the IXB and thats a fact :know:. VII's there is no point arguing and If I said that the Flower Corvette was the most powerfull DD yes DD of WW2 on TV you would beleive me?
Oh boy,
Stop blabbing and check this out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unterseeboot_48_%281939%29
Statistics matey!
You linked 1 boat now just find the statistics for all the other IIB's compare them to the IXB's and tell me what you find out. Also using wikipedia to back up an argument is a bad idea wikipedia is a open sourced information center anyone can write anything that they want about it. So NEXT time read the full post. Oh and heres my backup. http://uboat.net/types/index.html
Would you look at that IXB most victorious IIC workhorse IIB awww nothing. And unlike wiki this is a good source which contains captains logs etc. Now next time promise me you will look up the facts arguing yours before you go ahead and make yourself look like a fool. Ive been around discussion forums quite a bit mostly bf2s.com Debate and Serious Talk section. So I do know what im talking about.... most of the time :shifty:, and this is that most of the time.
Quoted from U-boat.net
"Type IXB was an improved version of type IX (http://uboat.net/types/ix.htm) with increased range of 1500 nautical miles and slightly heavier. The designed was improved again in the IXC type.
This type was the most successful overall with each boat averaging over 100,000 tons of sinking. They had 23 torpedoes stored which gave a determined U-boat commander a serious striking power which could be used night after night against the same convoy, as was often the case.
Perhaps the most famous IXB boat was the U-123 (http://uboat.net/find_boat.php3?find_boat=123) under the command of Kptlt. Hardegen (http://uboat.net/men/hardegen.htm) which opened up the attack in the US waters in early 1942 known as Operation Drumbeat. U-107 (http://uboat.net/find_boat.php3?find_boat=107), under the command of Hessler, made the most successful convoy mission of the war over with close to 100,000 tons sunk out of Freetown, Africa."
First of all, i quoted Wikipedia because it's an open source and easily revisable. The link was to U-48 which is presented very scrupulously in the Wiki. Second, i've done that to show you why the VII type boat was voted No1 in that TV show. It's because of it iconic value. U-48 was the most single succesful u-boat in the WW2 and that's where this iconic status derives from. As well as VII type commanders were the best known. That's all there is.
And yes i know www.uboat.net (http://www.uboat.net), a brilliant site, but the information in this case was better put in the Wiki.
You take it way too personally mate.
For the record i linked the statistic with a VIIb boat not IIb.
Oh, and about reading the full post, it's not about combat capabilities of certain subs, because how to compare IX type to Typhoon class? Ergo, i don't think you understood the subject of this thread.
Once again you fail to pass basic English comprehension and really if you are going to use the excuse I don't speak English as a first language guess what neither do I. So lets see you have some problems in understanding how I said that THE CAPTAIN MATTERS MORE THEN THE SUB. AND I SAID A IIA WOULD DEFEAT A TYHPOON CLASS IF IT HAD A BETTER CAPTAIN AND IF THE TYPHOON CLASS HAD A CRAP CAPTAIN. Hopefully writing in caps will make you pay more attention it seems like its something you lack. If you want to continue this pm me cause I can tell this is going to frustrate the crap outta me. Or another option is take English Comprehension 101 and get back to me.
Oh and if the judges voted that the number 1 boat because one of them performed greatly i'd re look the intellect of the judges. I dont have anything to say on this subject. Just havent seen so many quotes in one post:D
Ever seen a quote pyramid before?
Iron Budokan
03-06-07, 11:21 AM
IXB was counted msot succesful sub on the German side in all of WW2. The AK-47 is rated in the top 10 guns of the world but could easily be beat by some other guns F2000 L8 etc.
The most succesful German submarine of WW2 was U-48, a VIIb type. That's a fact.:know:
The most succesful class was the IXB and thats a fact :know:. VII's there is no point arguing and If I said that the Flower Corvette was the most powerfull DD yes DD of WW2 on TV you would beleive me?
Oh boy,
Stop blabbing and check this out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unterseeboot_48_%281939%29
Statistics matey!
You linked 1 boat now just find the statistics for all the other IIB's compare them to the IXB's and tell me what you find out. Also using wikipedia to back up an argument is a bad idea wikipedia is a open sourced information center anyone can write anything that they want about it. So NEXT time read the full post. Oh and heres my backup. http://uboat.net/types/index.html
Would you look at that IXB most victorious IIC workhorse IIB awww nothing. And unlike wiki this is a good source which contains captains logs etc. Now next time promise me you will look up the facts arguing yours before you go ahead and make yourself look like a fool. Ive been around discussion forums quite a bit mostly bf2s.com Debate and Serious Talk section. So I do know what im talking about.... most of the time :shifty:, and this is that most of the time.
Quoted from U-boat.net
"Type IXB was an improved version of type IX (http://uboat.net/types/ix.htm) with increased range of 1500 nautical miles and slightly heavier. The designed was improved again in the IXC type.
This type was the most successful overall with each boat averaging over 100,000 tons of sinking. They had 23 torpedoes stored which gave a determined U-boat commander a serious striking power which could be used night after night against the same convoy, as was often the case.
Perhaps the most famous IXB boat was the U-123 (http://uboat.net/find_boat.php3?find_boat=123) under the command of Kptlt. Hardegen (http://uboat.net/men/hardegen.htm) which opened up the attack in the US waters in early 1942 known as Operation Drumbeat. U-107 (http://uboat.net/find_boat.php3?find_boat=107), under the command of Hessler, made the most successful convoy mission of the war over with close to 100,000 tons sunk out of Freetown, Africa."
First of all, i quoted Wikipedia because it's an open source and easily revisable. The link was to U-48 which is presented very scrupulously in the Wiki. Second, i've done that to show you why the VII type boat was voted No1 in that TV show. It's because of it iconic value. U-48 was the most single succesful u-boat in the WW2 and that's where this iconic status derives from. As well as VII type commanders were the best known. That's all there is.
And yes i know www.uboat.net (http://www.uboat.net), a brilliant site, but the information in this case was better put in the Wiki.
You take it way too personally mate.
For the record i linked the statistic with a VIIb boat not IIb.
Oh, and about reading the full post, it's not about combat capabilities of certain subs, because how to compare IX type to Typhoon class? Ergo, i don't think you understood the subject of this thread.
Once again you fail to pass basic English comprehension and really if you are going to use the excuse I don't speak English as a first language guess what neither do I. So lets see you have some problems in understanding how I said that THE CAPTAIN MATTERS MORE THEN THE SUB. AND I SAID A IIA WOULD DEFEAT A TYHPOON CLASS IF IT HAD A BETTER CAPTAIN AND IF THE TYPHOON CLASS HAD A CRAP CAPTAIN. Hopefully writing in caps will make you pay more attention it seems like its something you lack. If you want to continue this pm me cause I can tell this is going to frustrate the crap outta me. Or another option is take English Comprehension 101 and get back to me.
Oh and if the judges voted that the number 1 boat because one of them performed greatly i'd re look the intellect of the judges. I dont have anything to say on this subject. Just havent seen so many quotes in one post:D
Ever seen a quote pyramid before?
You mean like this one?
Kpt. Kozloff
03-06-07, 11:29 AM
Nevermind. I apologise if i offended you in any way. It wasn't my intention. O.k.?:up:
I apologise to its 1 in the morning and im getting cranky I missed off 100K by 4000 tonnes. Was really going for a 3 100K patrols :rotfl:. All honesty I get easily annoyed its one of the bad genes I inherited and probably the worst. Especially if someone doesn't get it after I attempt to write something a lot of times over. Anyway all good on this end I hope you now understand what I mean by you can have the best bit of technology and still lose to the worse peice of technology if you got no brain.
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
It reminds me of a joke about two deaf pigeons sitting on a branch:
First goes: "You're stupid"
Second: "You're stupid"
We've been going on about two different things there, not understanding what other meant. Classic! Similar to politics though. Or two dogs barking at two different trees.
At least we've beaten the quote piramid record!:rotfl:
NipplesTheCat
03-06-07, 11:49 AM
A wise group of men once said,...
IXB was counted msot succesful sub on the German side in all of WW2. The AK-47 is rated in the top 10 guns of the world but could easily be beat by some other guns F2000 L8 etc.
The most succesful German submarine of WW2 was U-48, a VIIb type. That's a fact.:know:
The most succesful class was the IXB and thats a fact :know:. VII's there is no point arguing and If I said that the Flower Corvette was the most powerfull DD yes DD of WW2 on TV you would beleive me?
Oh boy,
Stop blabbing and check this out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unterseeboot_48_%281939%29
Statistics matey!
You linked 1 boat now just find the statistics for all the other IIB's compare them to the IXB's and tell me what you find out. Also using wikipedia to back up an argument is a bad idea wikipedia is a open sourced information center anyone can write anything that they want about it. So NEXT time read the full post. Oh and heres my backup. http://uboat.net/types/index.html
Would you look at that IXB most victorious IIC workhorse IIB awww nothing. And unlike wiki this is a good source which contains captains logs etc. Now next time promise me you will look up the facts arguing yours before you go ahead and make yourself look like a fool. Ive been around discussion forums quite a bit mostly bf2s.com Debate and Serious Talk section. So I do know what im talking about.... most of the time :shifty:, and this is that most of the time.
Quoted from U-boat.net
"Type IXB was an improved version of type IX (http://uboat.net/types/ix.htm) with increased range of 1500 nautical miles and slightly heavier. The designed was improved again in the IXC type.
This type was the most successful overall with each boat averaging over 100,000 tons of sinking. They had 23 torpedoes stored which gave a determined U-boat commander a serious striking power which could be used night after night against the same convoy, as was often the case.
Perhaps the most famous IXB boat was the U-123 (http://uboat.net/find_boat.php3?find_boat=123) under the command of Kptlt. Hardegen (http://uboat.net/men/hardegen.htm) which opened up the attack in the US waters in early 1942 known as Operation Drumbeat. U-107 (http://uboat.net/find_boat.php3?find_boat=107), under the command of Hessler, made the most successful convoy mission of the war over with close to 100,000 tons sunk out of Freetown, Africa."
First of all, i quoted Wikipedia because it's an open source and easily revisable. The link was to U-48 which is presented very scrupulously in the Wiki. Second, i've done that to show you why the VII type boat was voted No1 in that TV show. It's because of it iconic value. U-48 was the most single succesful u-boat in the WW2 and that's where this iconic status derives from. As well as VII type commanders were the best known. That's all there is.
And yes i know www.uboat.net (http://www.uboat.net), a brilliant site, but the information in this case was better put in the Wiki.
You take it way too personally mate.
For the record i linked the statistic with a VIIb boat not IIb.
Oh, and about reading the full post, it's not about combat capabilities of certain subs, because how to compare IX type to Typhoon class? Ergo, i don't think you understood the subject of this thread.
Once again you fail to pass basic English comprehension and really if you are going to use the excuse I don't speak English as a first language guess what neither do I. So lets see you have some problems in understanding how I said that THE CAPTAIN MATTERS MORE THEN THE SUB. AND I SAID A IIA WOULD DEFEAT A TYHPOON CLASS IF IT HAD A BETTER CAPTAIN AND IF THE TYPHOON CLASS HAD A CRAP CAPTAIN. Hopefully writing in caps will make you pay more attention it seems like its something you lack. If you want to continue this pm me cause I can tell this is going to frustrate the crap outta me. Or another option is take English Comprehension 101 and get back to me.
Oh and if the judges voted that the number 1 boat because one of them performed greatly i'd re look the intellect of the judges. I dont have anything to say on this subject. Just havent seen so many quotes in one post:D
Ever seen a quote pyramid before?
You mean like this one?
Ducimus
03-06-07, 01:06 PM
Less filling, tastes great.
Eagle Eye
03-06-07, 01:20 PM
I have two Careers going one in a VIIB and one in a IXC. And I have to say I love the experiance of each boat.
robbo180265
03-06-07, 02:01 PM
Daddy or Chips?
Only the Brits will get that one - sorry:D
Rykaird
03-06-07, 02:31 PM
I got killed (again) in the Med in my IXB. Had a blast, until I got blasted. I started a new career in a VIIB. Having a blast, and will continue to do so, until I get careless again, and get blasted.
Both are great. Both can rack up amazing tonnage. Do you like visiting far off, exotic locales? Get a IX. Do you want to stay local and become the "wolf in the darkness", the terror of the North Atlantic convoy? Get a VII.
The funny thing is we're arguing over what amounts to rather small differences in performance, range, and loadout envelopes. They're all WWII U-Boats.
Tribalism at its finest.
robbo180265
03-06-07, 02:44 PM
In all honesty having tried both I like them both. They serve two different purposes IMO.
At the moment my campaign sub is a IX and I'm having loads of fun with the extra range and torpedos. But I might well go back to the IIV and do my next campaign.
I'ts like the difference between the Spitfire and the Hurricane.
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