VIIC/42

[robj250]

I know this is a stupid question, but I was unable to find out anywhere.

If I change from a VIIB to a VIIC/42, how many torpedoes does it carry, how many bow tubes and stern tubes.

If there is no difference, is it a better subermarine than the VIIB top grade?

Rob

[Ducimus]

I have a pseudo VIIC/42 as an optionl mod in my gwx tweak pack.

anyway, heres the readme, it has the info you want i think.

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// Type VIIC/42. The boat that never was.


For details read the below listed links. I think this mod is the closest representation to this boat you'll liable to ever see in SH3 if this boat had ever existed.


according to: http://www.uboat.net/types/viic-42.htm
"The VIIC/42 was designed 1942-1943 and was intended to replace the then retreating VIIC, she had a much stronger pressure hull (with plating thickness up to 28mm) and a bit better offensive punch (16 torpedoes against VIIC's 14). Her diving depth was designed to be 200 meters with 400 meters as crushing depth (VIIC figures: 100/200 meters).

These boats would have been very similar in external appearance to the VIIC/41 but with two periscopes in the tower as type IX.

All contracts for the VIIC/42 U-boats were cancelled on 30 September 1943 in favour of the new Elektro Boat XXI."



According to http://www.uboatwar.net/VII.htm

" This design was brought about primarily in an attempt to increase the range and speed of the VIIC model by adding a second stage of boost to the already singly supercharged engines. Range was to have been increased with 35cm widening of the saddle tanks, adding nearly 70 tons to the maximum fuel load. Coupled with these performance issues was the thickening of the pressure hull by another 30cm, giving the Type VIIC/42 a normal diving depth of 300m and failure depth of a staggering 500m. Armour plating for the conning tower, an integral schnorchel and numerous flak weapons rounded out the design which would have taken the basic Type VIIC structure to its absolute limit. The first orders were placed on 16 July 1942 with Germaniawerft although within a year the entire conditions of the Atlantic battle had changed to such a degree that those boats of the 174 total number ordered that had been laid down within the shipyards, were cancelled in favour of Type XXI construction. Ironically it was the Russians who completed the only known examples of the VIIC/42 post-war when they finished the construction of U1174, U1176 and U1177 at the Danziger Werft, Danzig. It is though that they may also have finished several examples from the ordered U2301-U2318 series at Danzig's F Schichau yard as well."

[ReallyDedPoet]

I have a pseudo VIIC/42 as an optionl mod in my gwx tweak pack.

anyway, heres the readme, it has the info you want i think.

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// Type VIIC/42. The boat that never was.


For details read the below listed links. I think this mod is the closest representation to this boat you'll liable to ever see in SH3 if this boat had ever existed.


according to: http://www.uboat.net/types/viic-42.htm
"The VIIC/42 was designed 1942-1943 and was intended to replace the then retreating VIIC, she had a much stronger pressure hull (with plating thickness up to 28mm) and a bit better offensive punch (16 torpedoes against VIIC's 14). Her diving depth was designed to be 200 meters with 400 meters as crushing depth (VIIC figures: 100/200 meters).

These boats would have been very similar in external appearance to the VIIC/41 but with two periscopes in the tower as type IX.

All contracts for the VIIC/42 U-boats were cancelled on 30 September 1943 in favour of the new Elektro Boat XXI."



According to http://www.uboatwar.net/VII.htm

" This design was brought about primarily in an attempt to increase the range and speed of the VIIC model by adding a second stage of boost to the already singly supercharged engines. Range was to have been increased with 35cm widening of the saddle tanks, adding nearly 70 tons to the maximum fuel load. Coupled with these performance issues was the thickening of the pressure hull by another 30cm, giving the Type VIIC/42 a normal diving depth of 300m and failure depth of a staggering 500m. Armour plating for the conning tower, an integral schnorchel and numerous flak weapons rounded out the design which would have taken the basic Type VIIC structure to its absolute limit. The first orders were placed on 16 July 1942 with Germaniawerft although within a year the entire conditions of the Atlantic battle had changed to such a degree that those boats of the 174 total number ordered that had been laid down within the shipyards, were cancelled in favour of Type XXI construction. Ironically it was the Russians who completed the only known examples of the VIIC/42 post-war when they finished the construction of U1174, U1176 and U1177 at the Danziger Werft, Danzig. It is though that they may also have finished several examples from the ordered U2301-U2318 series at Danzig's F Schichau yard as well."






Nice post:up:

[robj250]

Thanks for the info. It doesn't have any more torpedoes than the VIIB.

If it was never built by Germany, why does the the game offer it?

My VIIB is fully upgraded, so I don't know whether to change or not.

Rob

[stabiz]

Go for the VIIC, rob.

[robj250]

Go for the VIIC, rob.

I was doing a little reading from my German Uboats for Silent Hunter II.
It mentioned that it has TWO periscopes.
Is that TWO attack scopes, or just one attack and one observation similar to the VIIB.

Rob

[robj250]

I think you guys have convinced me.

I have one more question. The only disadvantage is that it's a little slower than the VIIB. How about it's diving time? Faster or slower?

I like the idea of having 2 extra torpedoes, hehe. I can always use 'em.

Now. Do I have to do a roll-back with commander after I change to the VIIC/42?

I know I have to do a roll-back to ad any mods. Speaking of mods, will the camo that I'm using now, can it be used on the VIIC/42?

Sorry to be a pest, but I like the best and to do the best job I can in these missions. :rotfl: :rotfl:

Rob

[Penelope_Grey]

All the VIIC's dive quicker than the VIIB. The only boat that dives quicker than the VIIC is the IID and the XXI. But of the standard fighting boats on offer IX's and VII's. The VIIC family dive the quickest.

[melnibonian]

Rob if you change Submarine via the upgrade menu on the Port screen in-game you don't really need to rollback SH3Cmd. That said rolling back every time you're in port before starting a new patrol is recomended as that way you will have a better kept system. As far as the skins are concerned I don't know, although I think it might work on VIIC/42, VIIC and VIIB as well. just in case it doesn't make sure you enable them using JSGME.

[robj250]

Rob if you change Submarine via the upgrade menu on the Port screen in-game you don't really need to rollback SH3Cmd. That said rolling back every time you're in port before starting a new patrol is recomended as that way you will have a better kept system. As far as the skins are concerned I don't know, although I think it might work on VIIC/42, VIIC and VIIB as well. just in case it doesn't make sure you enable them using JSGME.

Hi Mel.

If the Winter camo that I have on my VIIB does not work properly, is there a similar skin for the VIIC?

Thanks everyone for the information. Greatly appreciated.

The reason I'm asking these questions, is because I still have Silent Hunter still open, so that I can make the change.

Rob

[melnibonian]

I doubt there will be one for another type of VII that's why I'm suggesting it might actually work. Have a look in this thread http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=88849 and see what types of skins exist. If you need any one in particular let me know and I'll upload it for you. I have quite a few skins for VII type boats on my installation so tell me which one you like (or even style, colour etc) and I'll send it to you. Just make sure you enable them via JSGME

[robj250]

I doubt there will be one for another type of VII that's why I'm suggesting it might actually work. Have a look in this thread http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=88849 and see what types of skins exist. If you need any one in particular let me know and I'll upload it for you. I have quite a few skins for VII type boats on my installation so tell me which one you like (or even style, colour etc) and I'll send it to you. Just make sure you enable them via JSGME

I just checked the mods I have installed and I have "FurbarsVIIC41 U997", so it should fit the VIIC/42, right?

[melnibonian]

I just checked the mods I have installed and I have "FurbarsVIIC41 U997", so it should fit the VIIC/42, right?
Without being 100% sure I think it should work with VIIC/42. As I said before use JSGME to enable it, so if it doesn't work you can disable it without messing up your installation. Rob I'm really sorry I cannot be of any more help, but unfortunatelly I do rely on the help and readme files of the skins as well. I hope it works fine for you mate. Good Luck:up:

[robj250]

Well, I'm going to change to the VIIC/42.

All you people that responded have been a great help, for me to make a difficult decision.

All the best to you all.

Rob

[Ducimus]

If it ever went into service the 7c/42 would have been the pinnacale of dive-boats.
Has the undewater manuverablly of a type 7, coupled with the surface endurance and top speed of a type 9; it would have been the best of both worlds.

[robj250]

Well, I got my VIIC/42 and as soon as the game started I was informed that my base was changed to Bergon. Does that mean when I return home after the mission I should go to Bergon instead of St. Nazaire?

Also, as soon as the game started and I had not moved the sub, I was told the Sonar was destroyed. How could this happen?

Oh, St. Nazaire does have sub pens in my game. Would that have anything to do with it?

The camo worked fine, it was there.

Rob

[melnibonian]

Well, I got my VIIC/42 and as soon as the game started I was informed that my base was changed to Bergon. Does that mean when I return home after the mission I should go to Bergon instead of St. Nazaire?
What year are you playing? There is a possibility that the base did change and once you finish the patrol you will have to relocate into the new base.

Also, as soon as the game started and I had not moved the sub, I was told the Sonar was destroyed. How could this happen?
That's a stock bug. Your sonar is fine and fully operational.

The camo worked fine, it was there.
Glad to hear that mate. Now go out there and sink some ships:up:

[robj250]

As soon as I changed to the VIIC/42, I made the following upgrades: engine to a MAN Buchigebbase; batteries to AFM 33 MAL 800; sonar to SU-Apparat Hibelung; radar to FuMO-64 and radar warning system FuMB-26.

That reduced my renown quite a bit, :)

Rob.

[robj250]

Well, I got my VIIC/42 and as soon as the game started I was informed that my base was changed to Bergon. Does that mean when I return home after the mission I should go to Bergon instead of St. Nazaire?
What year are you playing? There is a possibility that the base did change and once you finish the patrol you will have to relocate into the new base.

Also, as soon as the game started and I had not moved the sub, I was told the Sonar was destroyed. How could this happen?
That's a stock bug. Your sonar is fine and fully operational.

The camo worked fine, it was there.
Glad to hear that mate. Now go out there and sink some ships:up:

The year is July 1944.
I hope you are correct about the sonar.

Rob

P.S. have just left the pens and ready for action.

[melnibonian]

As soon as I changed to the VIIC/42, I made the following upgrades: engine to a MAN Buchigebbase; batteries to AFM 33 MAL 800; sonar to SU-Apparat Hibelung; radar to FuMO-64 and radar warning system FuMB-26.
Are you using the late war radar and antena mod in GWX? I think that if you're using some kind of radars and detectors you need to enable it. Unfortunatelly I don't remember which radar has the issue. Have a look at the manual about this.

That reduced my renown quite a bit, :)
They might save your life as well;) :yep: :up:

[robj250]

As soon as I changed to the VIIC/42, I made the following upgrades: engine to a MAN Buchigebbase; batteries to AFM 33 MAL 800; sonar to SU-Apparat Hibelung; radar to FuMO-64 and radar warning system FuMB-26.
Are you using the late war radar and antena mod in GWX? I think that if you're using some kind of radars and detectors you need to enable it. Unfortunatelly I don't remember which radar has the issue. Have a look at the manual about this.

That reduced my renown quite a bit, :)
They might save your life as well;) :yep: :up:

Actually Mel, I'm finishing off the patrols I started using SH3, heavily modded.

Since I have changed to a VIIC/42 now, should I still call it the Wolf in my movies.
My last part of my patrol in June 1944 has been posted under the "There should be a video whatever"

As soon as I finish the war using SH3, I will go back to GWX and install the upgrade and then go from there. Question, will I have to change to a VIIC/42 again under GWX?

Rob

[melnibonian]

Actually Mel, I'm finishing off the patrols I started using SH3, heavily modded.

Since I have changed to a VIIC/42 now, should I still call it the Wolf in my movies.
My last part of my patrol in June 1944 has been posted under the "There should be a video whatever"

Rob
Sorry about that Rob. I thought you were playing GWX that's why I asked. I haven't seen the video yet but I will have a look at it tonight.

Good Luck and Good Shooting:up:

[robj250]

As soon as I changed to the VIIC/42, I made the following upgrades: engine to a MAN Buchigebbase; batteries to AFM 33 MAL 800; sonar to SU-Apparat Hibelung; radar to FuMO-64 and radar warning system FuMB-26.
Are you using the late war radar and antena mod in GWX? I think that if you're using some kind of radars and detectors you need to enable it. Unfortunatelly I don't remember which radar has the issue. Have a look at the manual about this.

That reduced my renown quite a bit, :)
They might save your life as well;) :yep: :up:

In GWX I am still in 1939. I have to upgrade to the latest GWX upgrade.
See my questions about that above in my last post.

Rob

[robj250]

As soon as I changed to the VIIC/42, I made the following upgrades: engine to a MAN Buchigebbase; batteries to AFM 33 MAL 800; sonar to SU-Apparat Hibelung; radar to FuMO-64 and radar warning system FuMB-26.
Are you using the late war radar and antena mod in GWX? I think that if you're using some kind of radars and detectors you need to enable it. Unfortunatelly I don't remember which radar has the issue. Have a look at the manual about this.

That reduced my renown quite a bit, :)
They might save your life as well;) :yep: :up:

This might sound stupid, but how do I enable the sonar and radar?

Rob

[melnibonian]

This might sound stupid, but how do I enable the sonar and radar?

Rob
Actually it's not stupid at all. The short answer is that I have no idea. The longer one is speculation. Are you using any particular fatigue model? If I remember correctly the 24hours one is causing these kind of problems. Another solution is to save and load again. Continue your mission, and once you're about 300Km away from land save the game (you must be surfaced). After that exit SH3 and reload your ave game. See if you get the same message again about the radar and sonar.

[melnibonian]

Question, will I have to change to a VIIC/42 again under GWX?

Yes there is no problem at all with VIIC/42 in GWX. Check page 60 of the manual to see the available bases and boats. VIIC/42 is one of them.

[robj250]

Hi Mel. I don't think I answered all your questions. I'm finishing my career in the stock SH3 (modded) and it is now July 1944.

When I end the war in SH3 I will go back to GWX and upgrade it to 1.2 and the year will be 1939.

Any other questions, please ask.

You have been a great help.

Rob

[melnibonian]

Hi Mel. I don't think I answered all your questions. I'm finishing my career in the stock SH3 (modded) and it is now July 1944.

When I end the war in SH3 I will go back to GWX and upgrade it to 1.2 and the year will be 1939.

Any other questions, please ask.

You have been a great help.

Rob
No more questions Rob. Don't worry about anything, just go out there sink everything and enjoy the game. If you have any other questions/issues you need help of more detailed explanations let me know.

Have fun and sink them all;) :up: :arrgh!:

[robj250]

Hi Mel. I don't think I answered all your questions. I'm finishing my career in the stock SH3 (modded) and it is now July 1944.

When I end the war in SH3 I will go back to GWX and upgrade it to 1.2 and the year will be 1939.

Any other questions, please ask.

You have been a great help.

Rob
No more questions Rob. Don't worry about anything, just go out there sink everything and enjoy the game. If you have any other questions/issues you need help of more detailed explanations let me know.

Have fun and sink them all;) :up: :arrgh!:

Thanks for all your help Mel. Greatly appreciated. Yes, I will go out there again with the VIIC/42, fully upgraded and sink as much as I can without getting killed.

Rob

[kiwi_2005]

Okay i read in another thread you mention of a patrol you were in 1944 being depth charged and need advice how to get as far away as possible :D
If this is the same campaign your in, i would save my renown and buy an XXI. I've never managed to get to 1944 ive always died around mid 1943 and usually by aircraft attack:damn:

But im sure the XXI is available in 1944 in Bergen?:hmm:

[robj250]

Okay i read in another thread you mention of a patrol you were in 1944 being depth charged and need advice how to get as far away as possible :D
If this is the same campaign your in, i would save my renown and buy an XXI. I've never managed to get to 1944 ive always died around mid 1943 and usually by aircraft attack:damn:

But im sure the XXI is available in 1944 in Bergen?:hmm:

Hi Kiwi.

With the new VIIC/42 fully upgraded that I have now, is it possible that my qualified flak gunners could take on any of those planes?

Oh, I made it out of that mission, see the video thread, with no damage. I followed the advice that the guys gave me.

Rob

[kiwi_2005]

Okay i read in another thread you mention of a patrol you were in 1944 being depth charged and need advice how to get as far away as possible :D
If this is the same campaign your in, i would save my renown and buy an XXI. I've never managed to get to 1944 ive always died around mid 1943 and usually by aircraft attack:damn:

But im sure the XXI is available in 1944 in Bergen?:hmm:

Hi Kiwi.

With the new VIIC/42 fully upgraded that I have now, is it possible that my qualified flak gunners could take on any of those planes?

Rob

Yes they will i survive quite a long while on the surface when attacked by aircraft - i would hit flank and zigzag then order my flakgun crew to man the guns. The times my careers ended in aircraft fire was whenever i would have the time compression up more than 250 anything higher than that and your near the enemies fly zones, then expect a quick ending. GWX might have lighten this if your using the mod.

Their is the UFlak VIIC you could grab as well, looks ugly but it lives up to its name - its like a miniture fortress.

Oh, I made it out of that mission, see the video thread, with no damage. I followed the advice that the guys gave me.

Well done :up:

[V.C. Sniper]

I think that if the Type VIIC/42 u-boats were built they would have been almost invincible, no? Just look at how deep they can dive! 1,500 FT or deeper crush depth!! Once they fired all their bow or stern tubes they can just dive to 1,000-1,500 FT and wait it out? Surely there were no depth charges that can go that deep?

Not a fan of u-boats at all (American Fleet Boats FTW!!! Balao class w000h00000!!!), but the diving capabilities of the 42 stunned me.:o

[Philipp_Thomsen]

Yes, you're quite right indeed. Depth Charges can't go past 300m, in fact if you dive near 500m i dont think even the sonar can pick you up. Like they said in the movie U571 "the germans know how to build boats!"

Question tho: Is the thicker hull of the VIIC/42 simulated in the GWX 2.0, firewise?

I mean, i sure would take more hits than a normal VIIC without suffering too much, is this simulated in the GWX 2.0?