View Full Version : Finding out about Vista - the hard way.
Skybird
03-02-07, 05:47 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6407419.stm
Minefield ahead, recommend to stay clear of it, captains.
Respenus
03-02-07, 05:58 AM
That's why I'll never upgrade. I'll just go to Linux and use VMWare for Windows games.
HunterICX
03-02-07, 06:03 AM
:hmm: then I wonder
is Vista a UPGRADE or a DOWNGRADE
it seems that Vista supports as much as if you install windows 98 on ur newer computer
SteveW1
03-02-07, 06:10 AM
Geez this guy got lucky with 3 1/2 hour install, My dad installed vista on his computer and it took over 7 hours.
The Avon Lady
03-02-07, 06:15 AM
I had guessed that the SB Live would be the HW causing the error messages. No one should own one in this day and age. :nope:
As said on the other Vista threads we already have here, I'll just wait till they release SP1 or 2.
Skybird
03-02-07, 06:27 AM
I plan to jump Vista completely, if only my machine lives long enough. New systems today will come with Vista. I want neither the one, nor the other.
The Avon Lady
03-02-07, 06:32 AM
I plan to jump Vista completely, if only my machine lives long enough. New systems today will come with Vista. I want neither the one, nor the other.
Murphy will get you! :yep:
GSpector
03-02-07, 06:37 AM
I'm glad I build and upgrade my own PC's:D . I don't have to worry about any pre-installed anything :roll:
fumblyoldcarpenter
03-02-07, 07:53 AM
I'm glad I build and upgrade my own PC's:D . I don't have to worry about any pre-installed anything :roll:
This one:up: Pre-install:damn: :damn:
kiwi_2005
03-02-07, 08:59 AM
Geez this guy got lucky with 3 1/2 hour install, My dad installed vista on his computer and it took over 7 hours.
:o :o :o :o :o
Ive read those upgrading from XP to Vista had no problems than those trying to install Vista on a clean reformatted drive, as alot of the drivers from XP Vista will just update from that, yet without xp HW drivers, Vista starts having problems. So this time round upgrading is a good thing... If u have old hardware.
But VISTA is cheap as in CHEAP.
VISTA BASIC Under $200 ?
VISTA PREMIUM $200
VISTA BUSSINESS $245
VISTA ULTIMATE $400
Premium is my choice
Interesting article. I cannot say I am supprised :lol:
...not in the least incy-wincy-bit supprised. :nope:
Having paid for a full copy of Windows XP PRO about 18 months ago for the princely sum of the better part of £320.00 I will not be upgrading to Vista any time soon.
It is the same where I work- no-one is willing to sacrifice getting their job done with tried and tested software that is relatively reliable (XP PRO) as compared to Vista as an unknown, untested quantity.
I have a relatively new PC at home - dual core cpu, 2gb RAM and an up to date graphics card with 512mb of memory, so in theory I should have no trouble running Vista.
However, there appears to be a trend in the world of computers whereby newly released software is just not 'finished' properly.
As with many games these days, software is released to the public as a final version ready for retail. The reality is somewhat different with the paying customer being suckered in as an unknowing 'beta-tester' for the developers/publishers of the new software, hunting out bugs and errors and compatibility issues in the programs by trial and infuriating error, to be fixed eventually by a service pack or 'patch' in another 6-12 months time.
You wouldn't buy a new car and expect it to not work the first time you turned the ignition key, so why should computer software/operating systems be any different?
Consumers are starting to wake up to this economic chicanery on the part of companies like Microsoft who release unfinished software with the aim to make as much profit as soon as possible. It will be to these companies detriment to ignore the increasingly loud cries of frustration from users who have paid for a product that doesn't work when all indicators are that it should perform flawlessly.
Perhaps as more people gain experience of computers then they will begin to ignore the marketing tat encouraging them to buy the 'latest thing' thereby forcing the creators of these so-called innovations to think long and hard before releasing a product as 'finished'.
"You can either have it done right or right now..." the choice seems obvious to me.
...too many words for the beeb to allow as a comment :roll:
GSpector
03-02-07, 03:50 PM
Upgrading from XP may have it's advantages but if you ever have to Format & Reload VI$TA, make sure you re-install XP 1st.
Unlike previous versions, just putting in the prior OS disk will no longer work.
Simply put, if you get the upgrade version, DO NOT LOSE THE XP CD.
XabbaRus
03-02-07, 06:27 PM
It seems many of the problems stem form 3rd party companies not updating drivers to be Vista ready. I find this daft since surely these people knew the launch date before we did and had a team of programmers working on new drivers so people could use their old peripherals.
I have seen a few posts in various places caliming it is a setup by MS to force people to use certain hardware from certain manufacturers.
Maybe they though that it wouldn't be necessary since 98 to XP seemed to work.
I'll wait till I get a new PC before I get Vista.
kiwi_2005
03-02-07, 09:08 PM
Heres the latest Vista Transformation Pk v6 for WinXP users, which im Downloading and will install, if im not around next few days then it wasted my XP. But i can say from my experince this is safe as. Ive had Transformation pk on my PC for the last yr or more without any major problems.
read about it - http://www.windowsxlive.net/?p=361
Download - http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/OS-Enhancements/Vista-Transformation-Pack.shtml
The latest version looks nice!
http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/6605/neeeehi8.jpg
GSpector
03-02-07, 09:24 PM
Ok, this looks good but what does it do for PC performance?
Now if this emulator would allow for DX10 games and Graphic Cards, I'd be reall happy.
I guess if I should decided to upgrade the look of my system to VI$TA, this is the way to do it with out actually installing VI$TA.
JSLTIGER
03-02-07, 09:27 PM
The biggest problem with the transformation packs is that they require a lot of additional RAM/CPU usage to run the programs putting up the facade. I know this, because I'm currently running a Vista-ish computer, which looks something like a cross between XP and Vista. However, I am running it off of the default XP GUI renderer, so there is no performance hit. I won't put up the image to save bandwith, but a link is offered below.
Link: http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/2971/vistadesktopdl8.jpg
Since the screenie was taken, I've experimented with a newer version that looks more like the real thing, and works well.
kiwi_2005
03-02-07, 09:28 PM
Ok, this looks good but what does it do for PC performance?
Now if this emulator would allow for DX10 games and Graphic Cards, I'd be reall happy.
I guess if I should decided to upgrade the look of my system to VI$TA, this is the way to do it with out actually installing VI$TA.
Doesn't do anything for performance, its all for the looks and you can fool some of ya friends that u have vista :) WinXP becomes Vista in every way except the engine.
GSpector
03-02-07, 10:32 PM
To quote the Beatles: Sounding better all the time.
Respenus
03-03-07, 05:44 AM
Let's wait for KDE4, then Vista can go and hide in the sand and never return. Even now, there are programes that allow you to do similar thing in KDE, with KDE4, Aero will look something really, really small.
Chaotic42
03-03-07, 07:58 PM
My Vista install took *maybe* 30 minutes and it's all been all gravy for me. Everything works, and it works wonderfully.
Then again, I didn't try to install Vista on a computer built with crappy parts.
WinXP becomes Vista in every way except the engine.
That is impossible unless you have source code and hundreds of thousands of man hours. The UI is only a fraction of the changes.
I've done a few straight-from-DVD installs of Vista and quite a bit more from WDS, all have been pretty fast (under 45 minutes).
Vista will become a firm operating system soon. Its simply just too new. And by reading this article its pretty apparent that this guy has little computer knowledge and probably does not fully understand the problems and errors. His webcam software not working? hahaha
Does anyone have the drivers to make my speed touch 330 modem vista capable?
kiwi_2005
03-04-07, 03:48 AM
WinXP becomes Vista in every way except the engine.
That is impossible unless you have source code and hundreds of thousands of man hours. The UI is only a fraction of the changes.
I've done a few straight-from-DVD installs of Vista and quite a bit more from WDS, all have been pretty fast (under 45 minutes).
It was really a figure of speech, yes your right. What im saying is winxp looks like Vista with the Transformation pk but lacks the power of the vista engine. Like iceing on a cake thingy :)
GlobalExplorer
03-04-07, 05:37 AM
I predict Vista will create a new rift because many people will take a second look at alternatives like Linux and be surprised by what they see.
Vista is mostly about eye candy and taking control away from the user. In that respect it will appeal to the same douchebags that are already happy using a Mac. Knowing what I know today about Vista, I think I want to head away from this stuff, though I am afraid my responsibility towards my customers means I will not be completely able to.
Considering MS market postion Vista cannot be a complete failure, but I would expect that not everyone will follow the logic "there is a new Windows so I have to upgrade".
By the way, a 3D desktop is available for Linux, too:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xb7sz_mandriva-linux-2007-3d-desktop
GE
Respenus
03-04-07, 05:43 AM
KDE had eye candy for quite some time now, but like Vista, you needed a good rig to have it all working. That's why a lot of people like Ubuntu and other Gnome distros, as even low-end mashines can do the job.
No need to go to Vista, cause your XP machine can't handle it, go to Linux!
kiwi_2005
03-04-07, 05:50 AM
only reason why i use windows OS is cause i find it easy to use :roll: For instance you install something throw in the cd click on setup.exe and away you go - as easy as pie really. But with linux and if i can remeber i think the last linux OS i had on was Mandrake 9 totally drove me insane when trying to install a simple app (setting up the internet was mind boggling) for the app i was looking for the setup.exe being a windows user their must be a setup.exe file and all i need to do is run it. Nope. Their was none i found out i had to do a few other things just to install a program - it was a pain.
Plus Linux is not really gamer friendly. Shes very stable better than windows and most website owners choose Linux over windows cause shes better in those areas. I was given SUSE 10 yet have not installed maybe one day i might do a dual boot. I like the look of Linux KDE styles.
GlobalExplorer
03-04-07, 06:15 AM
Sure Linux is harder to use. But it can be learned. Of course many people never want to learn (of course I not mean you personally Kiwi_2005), and that's what Apple and Microsoft are building upon.
There will be more games for linux in the coming years, especially serious, independent stuff that should appeal to subsim users.
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