If we had a time machine

[CptGrayWolf]

Just curious...

[Biggles]

I would not!

It's one thing to cause destruction and death on a computer.....but doing it for real??!!!:o

[ReallyDedPoet]

I would not!

It's one thing to cause destruction and death on a computer.....but doing it for real??!!!:o

Yeah this, cannot possibly imagine what they went through. Reading books like " Iron Coffins " give you an idea, but the real thing, not a chance.

[AVGWarhawk]

Let me see, under water, people attempting to kill me, food sucks, air is even worse.....hell no man, I stay in front of my warm glowing computer screen for sailing!!!

[Respenus]

No one said I would not be immortal. The question is if I woudl go there. The answer, yes, it would be a great learning experience. BTW, I'm most probably one of the worst kaleuns here. Show your guts men. Let's get a crew and sail into the unknown!

[Linavitch]

I'll stick where I am thanks.

Going back to WWII is sorta at odds with my pacafistic beliefs.

[The General]

"Nothing but a bunch of slack-jawwed faggots around here!" - Jesse Ventura, Predator

Where would we find the men to fight if a conventional WWIII broke out today?:roll:

[Penelope_Grey]

I wouldn't go, no chance. One mistake and you were dead. the food was crap, the air stank of BO and diesel. They were stuffy hot cramped submersible tin cans.

Risk of death was very high, I like living, U-boats are just not a good idea for you due to their being very hazardous to your life expectancy.

[The General]

Penelope, I have a few questions for you. Are you female, how old are you and are you pretty?

[CaptainAsh]

I m gonna change the question... if you were german and living in the time of WWII would you join the uboat forces?
No way. I know they did a useful job for germany, and I m not calling them coward, we all know the statistic about going back home, but still... they were hunting merchant, trying to avoid warship. It was not the most honorable way to serve their country. Maybe, sometimes I will dream I was serving on Bismarck or Tirpitz, or in a Me109 or FW190 or even in a mighty Tiger. I will always respect submariner of german uboat, they were marching to their death, and they did it knowing about it. I do respect that. Still, they were doing one of the more nasty soldier job... even SS had a better civilian/military killed ratio...

[Penelope_Grey]

Female? Check.
Age. 19 going on 20
pretty. Most definately.

[The General]

Female? Check.
Age. 19 going on 20
pretty. Most definately.Is that you in the B&W photo? You look like Scarlett Johannson.:oops:

[Penelope_Grey]

I m gonna change the question... if you were german and living in the time of WWII would you join the uboat forces?
No way. I know they did a useful job for germany, and I m not calling them coward, we all know the statistic about going back home, but still... they were hunting merchant, trying to avoid warship. I was not the most honorable way to serve their country. Maybe, sometimes I will dream I was serving on Bismarck or Tirpitz, or in a Me109 or FW190 or even in a mighty Tiger. I will always respect submariner of german uboat, they were marching to their death, and they did it knowing about it. I do respect that. Still, they were doing one of the more nasty soldier job... even SS had a better civilian/military killed ratio...

You can't really slam the U-boats too hard for what they were shooting at. Hitler never really wanted war with the UK, and the main tactic of the U-boat forces was to try and starve the UK into complete submission, by cutting off its supply line which was the sea.

I think of it like this - the Uboats were like a hand around Britain's neck trying to choke us into unconsciousness. Rather than the fist slamming into our faces over and over till we were beat into an unconscious bloody pulp. Of course that changed with the bombing of the cities. Mind you, Churchill goaded Hitler to bomb cities rather than the airfields.

The whole idea of defeating Britain was very haphazard in my opinion. The U-boats were trying to cut off the supply lines and they very nearly succeeded.

[Penelope_Grey]

Female? Check.
Age. 19 going on 20
pretty. Most definately.Is that you in the B&W photo? You look like Scarlett Johannson.:oops:
E-gad! Are you deliberately trying to butter me up? Cuz, flattery will get you EVERYWHERE!!! :up: :D:D:D:D

[CaptainAsh]

First of Ash's rule:
Never trust a woman when she told you she's pretty.

Second of Ash's rule:
Never trust someone who is telling you she/he's a woman on the internet.

[Penelope_Grey]

LOL well luckily this is a SH3 site, not a dating agency.:yep:

[The General]

Hey Penelope? I'm male, 27, single and look like this: Image removed to avoid overwhelming response from single people everywhere.

[Penelope_Grey]

you have a very strong manly chin there.

[The General]

O....K...whatever. It's your turn to post a photo, if you're brave enough ;) .

[AVGWarhawk]

Hijacked thread!!!!!!!!! Where is the police????????

[Penelope_Grey]

Erm...

Well, there is a time and a place, and when I have settled in here a bit and got to know some of the other posters a bit better, and made a few friends, then I'll happily post a little about myself in that merged thread down in the General Section.

[The General]

Don't get in the way boys you'll get burned! There's chemmistry happenin' here! :sunny:

[CaptainAsh]

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Hijack is : If you had a teleportation machine will you teleport to penelope's door and ask her out for diner.
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[The General]

Erm...

Well, there is a time and a place, and when I have settled in here a bit and got to know some of the other posters a bit better, and made a few friends, then I'll happily post a little about myself in that merged thread down in the General Section.Pah! Spoilsport. :down:

"Cowards, off with there heads!" - Tom Cruise, The Colour of Money

[CaptainAsh]

...then I'll happily post a little about myself in that merged thread down in the General Section.

stupidity... never post in a public place anything about you. 99% of the people on internet are correct but the remaining 1% are a HUGE bunch of mental.

[AVGWarhawk]

How do they say it:hmm:....oh yeah....gotcha':rotfl::rotfl: Leave them guessing Penelope!

[Penelope_Grey]

I kinda did post a photo of myself in my banner I guess, not a very flattering one I spose :|\\. Oh well....

I'm open to all offers as soon as I get back from Patrol 11. :D

(If I get back!)

[The General]

...then I'll happily post a little about myself in that merged thread down in the General Section.

stupidity... never post in a public place anything about you. 99% of the people on internet are correct but the remaining 1% are a HUGE bunch of mental.Hey, do I look mental buddy? Ok, don't answer that. :oops:

[The General]

Hey, I'm on Patrol 11, you see how much we have in common?! :rotfl:

[AVGWarhawk]

...then I'll happily post a little about myself in that merged thread down in the General Section.
stupidity... never post in a public place anything about you. 99% of the people on internet are correct but the remaining 1% are a HUGE bunch of mental.Hey, do I look mental buddy? Ok, don't answer that. :oops:


:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:That's a hoot!!!!!!!

[Penelope_Grey]

See, THIS is why you can't have a female Kaluen on a U-boat. Fritz!! Get the ropes, we got some keelhaulin' to do!

Did anybody agree with my post about U-boats trying to strangle The UK to submission, by the by?:)

[AVGWarhawk]

I kinda did post a photo of myself in my banner I guess, not a very flattering one I spose :|\\. Oh well....

I'm open to all offers as soon as I get back from Patrol 11. :D

(If I get back!)

Flattering??? Yes!! The cigar just does it for me;). I'm a Punch Cigar fan myself.

[The General]

:doh: Yes, umm, very interesting Penelope, The Germans tried to cut off the supply-lines blah, blah, blah. Sha'll I pick you up at 8?

[CaptainAsh]

Actualy Penelope, I think Hitler was wrong all the way. You can t force the british nation to do anything...
They have one of the stronger spirit in front of adversity....
They do suck at a all bunch of thing (sex for exemple:rotfl: ) but you can t force them in submission...

[AVGWarhawk]

See, THIS is why you can't have a female Kaluen on a U-boat. Fritz!! Get the ropes, we got some keelhaulin' to do!

Did anybody agree with my post about U-boats trying to strangle The UK to submission, by the by?:)

Yes, agreed. This was the plan and it might have succeeded if Hitler did not tie Doenitz hands by low production of boats and pulling boats out of the Atlantic for his own adventures in other seas.

[Khourieat]

Let me see, under water, people attempting to kill me, food sucks, air is even worse.....hell no man, I stay in front of my warm glowing computer screen for sailing!!!

Don't forget the bleeding ear drums from when the intakes for the diesel switch at a bad time...read a few accounts of that :down:

[Morts]

See, THIS is why you can't have a female Kaluen on a U-boat.
and one more thing
the crew will be more intrested in the kaleun then their job (ok maybe not g** sailors) :rotfl:

[emtmedic005]

Mmmmmmmmm to go back in time to WW2, that would be awesome, If we had a time machine we could go back and come back to our time then go back and do something else.
The first time i would go back and buy/steal a whole bunch of stuff, like antigues and art stuff. Then i would come back and sell it in the present and get rich haha. Then i would go back and become a U-Boat Captain or a Captain in the German Army. hmmm driving a Tiger Tank or a U-Boat. interesting

[IceGrog]

I voted no way……………. But there is a part in me that wonder what I would have done by then. But even back then the young guys joining up to go off to war didn’t really have any idea on what the war was going to be like for them.

I know we had a little trouble with those British back in the 1700’s but they do have that grit in them that seems to get them thru a lot of crap.

“butter you up” …………..now me heart is pounding……..maybe a little too fast.. I have to go sit down for a little while:oops:

[emtmedic005]

OMG, im a collector of Military History, I would just use the time machine to bring to battles, like after the fighting and i would just take stuff, like guns, uniforms stuff like that. And how big is the time machine, if its anything like the StarGate, haha i would drive tanks and jeeps back home.

[mookiemookie]

ZOMG GIRL ON TEH INTERNET!

Set a course for SEXY! Flank speed! :arrgh!:

Back on topic: I said yes, but nothing after '43. I'm a pansy, but eh, that's ok.

[robbo180265]

No - way ! We all Know how brave the U Boat men were, but have you ever thought how horrible it would be to be on a merchant in a convoy, see a couple of ships taken out and wonder if your next? A few hours later another couple of ships go and so on. It occured to me whilst stalking a convoy last night.

P.G. You are absolutely right about the U Boat war, but I think the city bombings started after a German Bomber dumped it's bombs on London by mistake. We retaliated and the rest is history.Actually it saved our skins because the RAF was all but on it's knees at the time.

[CaptainAsh]

Not by mistake.
It was a special operation ordered by Churchill himself to boost english force morale. They could strike back!
Actualy I don t think any one farsaw that Hitler will order to bomb London then,
which actualy was wonderful for fighter command :)

[danurve]

Since this is thread is based on complete fantasy I'd like to respond. Unfortunatly there is no option in the poll for what I would do.

If I could use a time machine it would be a one-way trip.
I removed the original fantasy content

Let's just say if I was sucessful I'm sure some henchman or pritty henchwoman with seductive eyes would finish me off.

[Biggles]

"Nothing but a bunch of slack-jawwed faggots around here!"

Where would we find the men to fight if a conventional WWIII broke out today?:roll:


It's quite simple: we know what happened during WW2, don't we?

We know the entire story, we know how many that died during those 6 years and 1 day of fighting (40-60 million dead, bloodiest war of all time).
We know the horrors, we know the tragedies.
We know how it ended.
The captains in the Kriegsmarine did NOT know all this. They knew only the facts that their commanders would tell them or the things they saw themselves......
Same goes for the R.A.F blokes, or the sovjet Red Army men.

They created history, so that we could read,listen,and see it. And what I've seen of it.....it wasn't pretty....and I can play how many WW2 games I want (and belive me, I DO),but give me 5 bullets and tell me to rush the hill and take up some other mans rifle when he dies......
or put me in a IXB U-boat and order me to stop the flooding in the engines compartment.....
or put me inside a B-17 and make me use a 30 caliber MG to try and save me and my friends lifes from a very fast, and indeed, a very deadly enemy......
IN REAL LIFE!!!!!!!!!

I'd be very,very,very scared indeed.

[robbo180265]

They do suck at a all bunch of thing (sex for exemple:rotfl: )

And how do YOU know Sailor Boy?????:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[AVGWarhawk]

They do suck at a all bunch of thing (sex for exemple:rotfl: )
And how do YOU know Sailor Boy?????:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:


Should he have used the word 'suck' in the same sentence as sex?:hmm:

[robbo180265]

They do suck at a all bunch of thing (sex for exemple:rotfl: )
And how do YOU know Sailor Boy?????:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:


Should he have used the word 'suck' in the same sentence as sex?:hmm:

It didn't help much - did it?:D

[Penelope_Grey]

Robbo, CaptainAsh.

I do recall from my History GCSE's that when Churchill ordered the bombing of several German cities, it was specifically to aggrivate Hitler enough, that he would be goaded into rather than bombing where they were bombing they bomb the cities thereby giving the RAF chance to recover. So if the Germans were bombing London and other major cities, rather than airbases, it was buying time.

Least thats what I thought.

[Gildor]

I voted - One patrol:


I served on a destroyer during the First Gulf war 1991. I can recall on the trip over the pond to the gulf, all the drills and preparations. I can recall my fear of the unknown. "What is going to happen?" etc.

I remember standing on the starboard lookout cruising just off Bahrain at the End of January 1991 as the Coillition's(sp?) deadline for Iraq's withdrawel came and went. Night time. Hearing jet engines high above us as we closed up for action stations. Looking up and seeing squadrons! of jets flying north to bomb the crap out of Iraq.

There was no other feeling like it in my life. I remember thinking of the merchant marines on the freighters in WW2, the Corvette boys out of Halifax on convoy escort duty, and the U-Boat crews living in a metal tube. I decided I had it easy compared to them, but for one quick moment, I felt that I was part of a Brotherhood. Don't get me wrong--I could never walk in their shoes.

One patrol: it would show me what they went through.

[AVGWarhawk]

Robbo, CaptainAsh.

I do recall from my History GCSE's that when Churchill ordered the bombing of several German cities, it was specifically to aggrivate Hitler enough, that he would be goaded into rather than bombing where they were bombing they bomb the cities thereby giving the RAF chance to recover. So if the Germans were bombing London and other major cities, rather than airbases, it was buying time.

Least thats what I thought.

I believe you are correct. The Hurricanes and Spitfires available were less than a handful.

[robbo180265]

Robbo, CaptainAsh.

I do recall from my History GCSE's that when Churchill ordered the bombing of several German cities, it was specifically to aggrivate Hitler enough, that he would be goaded into rather than bombing where they were bombing they bomb the cities thereby giving the RAF chance to recover. So if the Germans were bombing London and other major cities, rather than airbases, it was buying time.

Least thats what I thought.

I believe you are correct. The Hurricanes and Spitfires available were less than a handful.

It is quite possible about Churchill, but I know for sure at that time of the war, planes weren't our problem pilots were. Also our airfields were being bombed to cr#p. By shifting it over to city bombing our airfields were alowed to recover.
Actually airplanes are my pet subject, used to be a member of the crew of the Sally B which is a B17 that still flies as a memorial to the US airmen:D

[AVGWarhawk]

Robbo, CaptainAsh.

I do recall from my History GCSE's that when Churchill ordered the bombing of several German cities, it was specifically to aggrivate Hitler enough, that he would be goaded into rather than bombing where they were bombing they bomb the cities thereby giving the RAF chance to recover. So if the Germans were bombing London and other major cities, rather than airbases, it was buying time.

Least thats what I thought.
I believe you are correct. The Hurricanes and Spitfires available were less than a handful.
It is quite possible about Churchill, but I know for sure at that time of the war, planes weren't our problem pilots were. Also our airfields were being bombed to cr#p. By shifting it over to city bombing our airfields were alowed to recover.
Actually airplanes are my pet subject, used to be a member of the crew of the Sally B which is a B17 that still flies as a memorial to the US airmen:D
I had thought the planes were lacking also. I will have to read "Where Eagles Fly" again.

[Rykaird]

I voted "no way." The way the question is worded, it is a purely optional thing. Given the chance, would I leave my happy wife and warm home (or warm wife and happy home, both are true) to risk life and limb in a terrifying, gut wrenching, horror of an experience? Of course not.

That's not the same question as asking "If some enemy, foreign or domestic, attacked your country, and you were called upon to serve, and the only weapon available to you was an old U-Boat, would you sail into battle?" The answer there is "of course I would, and damn the consequences."

Completely different set of circumstances. Hard to imagine any sane person deciding to hop in a U-Boat, go to war, to sink ships, to kill others, and to possibly be killed, for the sheer joy of it.

[robbo180265]

I voted "no way." The way the question is worded, it is a purely optional thing. Given the chance, would I leave my happy wife and warm home (or warm wife and happy home, both are true) to risk life and limb in a terrifying, gut wrenching, horror of an experience? Of course not.

That's not the same question as asking "If some enemy, foreign or domestic, attacked your country, and you were called upon to serve, and the only weapon available to you was an old U-Boat, would you sail into battle?" The answer there is "of course I would, and damn the consequences."

Completely different set of circumstances. Hard to imagine any sane person deciding to hop in a U-Boat, go to war, to sink ships, to kill others, and to possibly be killed, for the sheer joy of it.

I really couldn't have put it better.

@ AVG I'm pretty sure that the low on planes (and don't get me wrong we WERE low on everything) comes about because the War Ministry did a "trade in your pots and pans for a Spitfire" push. Now we all know now that pots and pans and scrap metal in general are not going to build a Spitfire. But what it did was make ordinary people feel like they'd not only helped out in the war effort,but that they owned a little piece of that beautiful aircraft in the sky.A superb piece of propaganda that's still with us today.
Can I recommend "First Light by Geoffrey Wellum" a brilliant story of a Spitfire pilot.

Sorry for the hijack:oops:

[fumblyoldcarpenter]

Couldn't imagine doing the real thing.

[romelus]

knowing the outcome of ww2 and the fate of u-boats, i'd rather choose a different "experience" :stare:

[bigboywooly]

Robbo, CaptainAsh.

I do recall from my History GCSE's that when Churchill ordered the bombing of several German cities, it was specifically to aggrivate Hitler enough, that he would be goaded into rather than bombing where they were bombing they bomb the cities thereby giving the RAF chance to recover. So if the Germans were bombing London and other major cities, rather than airbases, it was buying time.

Least thats what I thought.

IIRC the first bombing of Berlin happened due to a German bomber hitting London
Adolf had already promised no bombs would fall on Berlin so he switched plans

If only he knew how close they were to knocking the RAF out completely

Not a great comfort to all in the blitz but that change of tatics helped the RAF recover big time

Now theres a man you DONT want to give access to a time machime to

:rotfl:

[Blacklight]

No freakin' way in hell !!! It was stinky, hot, smelly, gross, filthy, stinky, stale smelling, stinky, and the almost no fresh air thing would KILL me. :dead:

[GSpector]

IIRC the first bombing of Berlin happened due to a German bomber hitting London
Adolf had already promised no bombs would fall on Berlin so he switched plans

If I am not mistaken, the 1st bomb that hit Berlin actually killed the only elephant in Germany.:huh:

[CptGrayWolf]

Well it's good to know most people seem to have their head screwed on right in this forum. :D
Just one patrol was tempting, untill I realised even that meant around 4 weeks with 'smelly men' (is there any other kind, let's be honest) and the other side trying it's best to kill you, plus all the other horrors of war.
Just knowing that the torpedo I'm about to fire, will kill at least five sailors right off the bat on impact, plus the few drownings once the ship sinks, is enough for me not to order it.
A little too much stress for this city boy.
Of course, fighting for your country if you think the cause is right, at that moment, is a whole different matter.

edited for horrible spelling mistakes (that are probably still there, time for bed.)

[robbo180265]

[/quote]

If I am not mistaken, the 1st bomb that hit Berlin actually killed the only elephant in Germany.:huh:[/quote]

Now that is a fact I didn't know, and one I shall remember too:lol:

[danlisa]

Something wrong with your sig, eh Robbo.;):rotfl:



EDIT - @ The 'Hound Dogs' in this thread.

Guys, you've spent way too long at sea.;) Time for a little R&R.:yep:

:rotfl::rotfl:

[HunterICX]

I would do 1 patrol, a training patrol
it would be nice to sail on a real Uboat
but in combat? I rather not to.
ofcourse I want to sink a dummy merchant for the training I would like to feel the experience to see that ship throught a periscope and KABOOM! Torpedo hit :rock:

[Kumando]

"Nothing but a bunch of slack-jawwed faggots around here!"

Where would we find the men to fight if a conventional WWIII broke out today?:roll:


It's quite simple: we know what happened during WW2, don't we?

We know the entire story, we know how many that died during those 6 years and 1 day of fighting (40-60 million dead, bloodiest war of all time).
We know the horrors, we know the tragedies.
We know how it ended.
The captains in the Kriegsmarine did NOT know all this. They knew only the facts that their commanders would tell them or the things they saw themselves......
Same goes for the R.A.F blokes, or the sovjet Red Army men.

They created history, so that we could read,listen,and see it. And what I've seen of it.....it wasn't pretty....and I can play how many WW2 games I want (and belive me, I DO),but give me 5 bullets and tell me to rush the hill and take up some other mans rifle when he dies......
or put me in a IXB U-boat and order me to stop the flooding in the engines compartment.....
or put me inside a B-17 and make me use a 30 caliber MG to try and save me and my friends lifes from a very fast, and indeed, a very deadly enemy......
IN REAL LIFE!!!!!!!!!

I'd be very,very,very scared indeed.

Dont worry Biggles, The General is just another internet warrior who is trying to impress the girl :nope: .

[Jimbuna]

Looking back through military history shows us just how many civilians answer their countries 'call to arms' in times of need despite the fact the same source also points out the number of fatalities war inevitably creates. :hmm:

I salute them all :up:

[Brag]

Robbo, CaptainAsh.

I do recall from my History GCSE's that when Churchill ordered the bombing of several German cities, it was specifically to aggrivate Hitler enough, that he would be goaded into rather than bombing where they were bombing they bomb the cities thereby giving the RAF chance to recover. So if the Germans were bombing London and other major cities, rather than airbases, it was buying time.

Least thats what I thought.

You have some interesting insights into WWII--You will find General Fuller's Decisive Battles of the Western World interesting. :up:

[Spray]

I would go even with all those living conditions I feel that the title u-boat captain is one of the most honourable titles out there especially if I continued after 1943. I've always pushed it to the extremes so why not travel back to WW2 and fight it :rock:

[STEED]

Hitler never really wanted war with the UK, and the main tactic of the U-boat forces was to try and starve the UK into complete submission, by cutting off its supply line which was the sea.

I think of it like this - the Uboats were like a hand around Britain's neck trying to choke us into unconsciousness. Rather than the fist slamming into our faces over and over till we were beat into an unconscious bloody pulp. Of course that changed with the bombing of the cities. Mind you, Churchill goaded Hitler to bomb cities rather than the airfields.

The whole idea of defeating Britain was very haphazard in my opinion. The U-boats were trying to cut off the supply lines and they very nearly succeeded.


No chance what so ever, two things the basic design of the U-Boats had hardly changed from WW1 and the second thing, Hitler ordered a massive cut back in the area of scientific research due the fact Germany was ahead of everyone else and mainland Europe was under Nazi control.

The cut back in research allowed the British to catch up and then over take Germany. It's true to say the U-Boats did indeed inflict major damage but they just could not win. When Hitler attacked Russia he sealed his fate as he bled his army white in Russia and not forgetting his other big blunder by declaring war on America.


As for the poll, some of you captains need a holiday. ;)

[Spray]

Hitler never really wanted war with the UK, and the main tactic of the U-boat forces was to try and starve the UK into complete submission, by cutting off its supply line which was the sea.

I think of it like this - the Uboats were like a hand around Britain's neck trying to choke us into unconsciousness. Rather than the fist slamming into our faces over and over till we were beat into an unconscious bloody pulp. Of course that changed with the bombing of the cities. Mind you, Churchill goaded Hitler to bomb cities rather than the airfields.

The whole idea of defeating Britain was very haphazard in my opinion. The U-boats were trying to cut off the supply lines and they very nearly succeeded.

No chance what so ever, two things the basic design of the U-Boats had hardly changed from WW1 and the second thing, Hitler ordered a massive cut back in the area of scientific research due the fact Germany was ahead of everyone else and mainland Europe was under Nazi control.

The cut back in research allowed the British to catch up and then over take Germany. It's true to say the U-Boats did indeed inflict major damage but they just could not win. When Hitler attacked Russia he sealed his fate as he bled his army white in Russia and not forgetting his other big blunder by declaring war on America.


As for the poll, some of you captains need a holiday. ;)

I agree on that 80% of hitlers army was fighting on the Eastern front, the German U-Boats were succesful and over exceeded their expectations by a fair margin (im just adding on to what you said). Somewhere in SH3 at the end of the war you get the message from donitz telling that you have succeded in your mission however the fatherland has fallen or something along the lines. I dont know if this is what he said in reality but heck it sure sounded like it.

[mookiemookie]

When talking about blunders, don't forget that they put off the production of the Type XXI until it was too late as they thought they'd have the war won and there would be no need for it.

[STEED]

Somewhere in SH3 at the end of the war you get the message from donitz telling that you have succeded in your mission however the fatherland has fallen or something along the lines. I dont know if this is what he said in reality but heck it sure sounded like it.

Here you go.
http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/9450/clipimage0026wi.jpg

[Spray]

Somewhere in SH3 at the end of the war you get the message from donitz telling that you have succeded in your mission however the fatherland has fallen or something along the lines. I dont know if this is what he said in reality but heck it sure sounded like it.
Here you go.
http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/9450/clipimage0026wi.jpg

Thats it, thanks mate.

[AJ!]

If i had a time machine?!

Buddy i would make history if i had a time machine.... not simply repeat it :up:

First i would steal a german u boat then warp it back to my garden, then i would hijack Yamato and sell it to the highest bidder :p

Sooo many possibilitys, soo little time

I would probably go back though just to see what its like. experience can change views greatly

Also its quite easy to see some of the people on this board havnt had much contact with a girl in a loooong time :rotfl:

[Jimbuna]

Also its quite easy to see some of the people on this board havnt had much contact with a girl in a loooong time :rotfl:

:roll: :hmm:

[Albrecht Von Hesse]

I would not, and not because of the conditions I'd be living in or the risk. I'd actually relish that challenge.

No, the real reason I would not wish to do so is quite simple, really: When I torpedo a ship on SHIII, I'm sinking pixels crewed by pixels. In combat, for real, I'd be sinking real ships (which wouldn't disturb me) but I'd also be killing real people . . . and that does disturb me.

[Penelope_Grey]

Hitler never really wanted war with the UK, and the main tactic of the U-boat forces was to try and starve the UK into complete submission, by cutting off its supply line which was the sea.

I think of it like this - the Uboats were like a hand around Britain's neck trying to choke us into unconsciousness. Rather than the fist slamming into our faces over and over till we were beat into an unconscious bloody pulp. Of course that changed with the bombing of the cities. Mind you, Churchill goaded Hitler to bomb cities rather than the airfields.

The whole idea of defeating Britain was very haphazard in my opinion. The U-boats were trying to cut off the supply lines and they very nearly succeeded.

No chance what so ever, two things the basic design of the U-Boats had hardly changed from WW1 and the second thing, Hitler ordered a massive cut back in the area of scientific research due the fact Germany was ahead of everyone else and mainland Europe was under Nazi control.

The cut back in research allowed the British to catch up and then over take Germany. It's true to say the U-Boats did indeed inflict major damage but they just could not win. When Hitler attacked Russia he sealed his fate as he bled his army white in Russia and not forgetting his other big blunder by declaring war on America.


As for the poll, some of you captains need a holiday. ;)

Britain came within 4 weeks of total collapse due to the supply lines being cut so drastically. The government could only have stayed in the war another 4 weeks, before they would have had to bow out. The U-boat men came close.

[ParaB]

To the original question:

Hell, no!

[Jimbuna]

Britain came within 4 weeks of total collapse due to the supply lines being cut so drastically. The government could only have stayed in the war another 4 weeks, before they would have had to bow out. The U-boat men came close.

I'd like to know the source of this because one of my sources 'Clay Blair-Hitler's U -boat War' states that the Germans seldom ever had more than 20 subs on station in the Atlantic at any given time....and NEVER sank any more than 3% of the merchant shipping available to the Allies. :hmm:

[STEED]

Britain came within 4 weeks of total collapse due to the supply lines being cut so drastically. The government could only have stayed in the war another 4 weeks, before they would have had to bow out. The U-boat men came close.

I'd like to know the source of this because one of my sources 'Clay Blair-Hitler's U -boat War' states that the Germans seldom ever had more than 20 subs on station in the Atlantic at any given time....and NEVER sank any more than 3% of the merchant shipping available to the Allies. :hmm:

Are you stole my thunder. :lol:

Yep that's the point I was going to raise. :yep:

PS: Just as a side line the R.A.F during the Battle of Britain was not about too be knocked out. This is another historical error.

[Sailor Steve]

The book I refered to earlier, The Battle Of The Atlantic, says something similar; that the rationing was so bad in 1940 that Churchill was begging Roosevelt for any help at all that the Americans could give. Also they show that at one point in 1943 there were as many as 90 u-boats on station.

As to which is right, I have no idea.

[STEED]

One thing we must remember a lot of German records were destroyed. :yep:

[CptGrayWolf]

Sailor Steve what did you answer buddy? I bet you're a one patrol kind of guy? ;)

[GlobalExplorer]

Everyone who answered this question with yes is a big idiot imo. He would prefer fighting and killing other people from this forum, instead of enjoying the games with them.

My answer is: never! The only place war is fun for me is on a computer screen.

[CptGrayWolf]

Everyone who answered this question with yes is a big idiot imo. He would prefer fighting and killing other people from this forum, instead of enjoying the games with them.

My answer is: never! The only place war is fun for me is on a computer screen.

Well I don't think the people who answered yes, were thinking about it quite in that context...
Maybe going back and living as a simple crew member instead of the captain would have been a less complicated question.
My poll was really not meant to be so philosophical/ethical.

[GlobalExplorer]

Certainly. Still I wanted to remind people of what the question means.

Seeing such a poll would be really frustrating to people who were there at the time. As far as I have seen it they are just glad to live, and asking them if they would go back would be mad.

I remember how I brought together my father (who was a flak gunner) and Johnny, a british bomber guy I met during my time in England. They didn't talk about the war, at least not that I remember, but they liked each other very much because they had been through the same experiences. If there is one thing I remember Johnny saying to me it was:

Don't forget how luck you are to live today!

[Kumando]

Everyone who answered this question with yes is a big idiot imo. He would prefer fighting and killing other people from this forum, instead of enjoying the games with them.

My answer is: never! The only place war is fun for me is on a computer screen.

I second that mate :up:.

[Brag]

Britain came within 4 weeks of total collapse due to the supply lines being cut so drastically. The government could only have stayed in the war another 4 weeks, before they would have had to bow out. The U-boat men came close.

I'd like to know the source of this because one of my sources 'Clay Blair-Hitler's U -boat War' states that the Germans seldom ever had more than 20 subs on station in the Atlantic at any given time....and NEVER sank any more than 3% of the merchant shipping available to the Allies. :hmm:

In one of his books, Winston Churchil mentions the dire situation Britain was in (very close to what Penelope describes) I think in 1941. Fuel and food reserves together with goods coming through were only enough for a few weeks -- then the tide turned.

[Penelope_Grey]

I didn't actually know the source, my brother told me, If Churchill himself said that... then I guess I was right then?:smug::lol:

[mookiemookie]

Britain came within 4 weeks of total collapse due to the supply lines being cut so drastically. The government could only have stayed in the war another 4 weeks, before they would have had to bow out. The U-boat men came close.

I'd like to know the source of this because one of my sources 'Clay Blair-Hitler's U -boat War' states that the Germans seldom ever had more than 20 subs on station in the Atlantic at any given time....and NEVER sank any more than 3% of the merchant shipping available to the Allies. :hmm:

Having read that same book, I got the distinct impression that Clay Blair had an axe to grind and he was awfully slanted. Just my opinion though. :smug: As I recall, the figure was 97 or 98% of allied shipping reached their destination safely. This is all well and good, however when you average out the percentage reaching port safely over the total war, you lose a sense of the ebb and flow of the way the war went. I could be wrong, but I find it hard to believe that during late 39 and throughout 1940 98% of shipping reached port safely. I feel Blair has distorted the numbers there.

uboataces says:

"The wolfpack attacks were extremely successful, leading to a colossal slaughter of British shipping. In the three month period from September 2 to December 2 1940, 157 allied ships had been sunk for a total of 847,000 tons. In the same period, only three u-boats had been lost, making the exchange rate of 1 to 52 - a horrendous rate of loss. Oil imports in Great Britain fell to half the normal rate covering only two thirds of her consumption. This rate of loss would soon bring Britain to her knees. Such was the calamity of the looming crisis, that it was at this point that British Prime Minister Winston Churchill had privately confided that he feared the Battle of the Atlantic may have been lost – along with Britain’s ability to continue fighting." http://www.uboataces.com/boa-fall-france.shtml

[AVGWarhawk]

We can not forget a couple of points. Hitler tied Doenitz hands....limited production, taking the boats for other ventures. Also, the shipbuilding far out exceeded what the U-boats could sink and the implemention of great ASW all equaled failure in the u-boat war Doenitz had hoped for.

[Biggles]

Also its quite easy to see some of the people on this board havnt had much contact with a girl in a loooong time :rotfl:

what's a girl?

[Morts]

Also its quite easy to see some of the people on this board havnt had much contact with a girl in a loooong time :rotfl:

what's a girl?


AAAAALAAAAAAAARRRRMMMMM !!!!!!:rotfl:

[Ducimus]

would you go back and live a full career as a U-boat captain?

No. Not under any circumstances.

For one, i dont speak german.

For two, I'm not german

For three, i would never be a traitor to my country, not now, not then, not ever.



If anything, i would tell the allies the history of things to come and what they should develop to put the uboat war to a quicker closer.

[AVGWarhawk]

Also its quite easy to see some of the people on this board havnt had much contact with a girl in a loooong time :rotfl:
what's a girl?

Don't get out much do ya fella?

[Biggles]

Also its quite easy to see some of the people on this board havnt had much contact with a girl in a loooong time :rotfl:
what's a girl?

Don't get out much do ya fella?


haha...belive me....I get out enough to know what a girl is.....especially ONE girl, eh know what I mean, know what I mean, nudge nudge, know what I mean say no more!

http://www.fortunecity.com/bennyhills/jones/724/nudge.jpg

[andy_311]

I voted yes for the reason if your in the "armed forces" at the time of outbreak of war I doubt if you could just quit (germany 39) do your your duty for your country etc.

[Sailor Steve]

Sailor Steve what did you answer buddy? I bet you're a one patrol kind of guy? ;)
My answer's over on page x.

How very odd; I distinctly remember the answer I gave.

Anyway, I voted YES, absolutely, with the caveat that I would love to have served on a US boat in the Pacific. After all, I grew up thinking of the Germans and Japanese as the "Bad Guys".

[SubV]

No way.

And there's no such thing like 'time machine', BTW. Let's face reality. :D

[U49]

My grandparents were enough. No need for another boy of the family to enter that *business*.
:gulp:

[Hanomag]

:o

Mein Komaraden...!...?

[Kpt. Lehmann]

Yet another Necro-thread.

[Blacklight]

Hell freakin' NO !! I'm clausterphobic in my apartment ! When my friend, Herb was serving on the USS San Juan, he took me on board and gave me a tour when they were docked in Groton. That was a 688i... and THAT was way to clausterphobic for me and that thing has WAY more space than a Uboat had. Heck.. just looking at the bunks with their foot and a half clearance between them was enough to make me feel jittery. The only room I wasn't clausterphobic in was the torpedo room in the front (Then he sat me down in the fireing room in front of that and I couldn't move). It was funny though. Herb got in a little bit of trouble for giving me the tour while he was wearing shorts (It wasn't a planned tour.. he had just planned to go to the base for something and I and his wife happened to be with him. I had never even seen a sub close up so he decided to take me aboard and show me around.)

[JU_88]

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y254/junkers88/u94.jpg

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

Yeah I might just go and sink some boats. Besides if you where in the war what place was safe anyways?

[Morts]

i wouldn be able to control my self if we had a time machine
id go back into time
and join the luftwaffe
after that
the kriegsmarine
then id go back to 1939 and kick hitler in the nuts...just for fun:rotfl:

[U-104]

Let's face reality. :D

whats that?:lol:

[Gezoes]

I have to confess I often thought about the reporter onboard U-96... so just maybe... one patrol... maybe... Would I immediately say no should it be possible?

Ehrm... :hmm: *cough*

Actually, I really want to see and feel the Atlantic once in all it's stormy glory (at night especially). I don't like flying anyway, and I experienced the North Sea and/or the Channel going nuts several times. An awesome sight :up:

So shipping out to the US across the pond anno now would do just as well :smug:

[Kaleu_Mihoo]

Everyone who answered this question with yes is a big idiot imo. He would prefer fighting and killing other people from this forum, instead of enjoying the games with them.

My answer is: never! The only place war is fun for me is on a computer screen.

Yes, couldn't agree more on this.
It's the same phenomenon that makes men above 28-30 not really needed in an army- by this age your brain developes structures that lets you think about consequnces of your acts :yep: No offense, though, it's just a medical fact bur I think you could also say something about the age spread here in subsim based on this poll ;)

[Jimbuna]

War is for heroes.....sadly, most of them are dead :hmm:

[sunvalleyslim]

Back to the subject........Having served on a Diesel/Electric Boat, and knowing the conditions...............YES, proudly I would have served my country......When you join, it's about patriotism, being young, you believe..........and you serve to the best of our ability...........If you can't handle it, then it's best to stay ashore. So many of you younger people have never had the chance to make a decision of having to go to war.....And I will always hope that you never do.......But I will always hope that if you had to make that decision that you could step forward for your country............

[CptGrayWolf]

i wouldn be able to control my self if we had a time machine
id go back into time
and join the luftwaffe
after that
the kriegsmarine
then id go back to 1939 and kick hitler in the nuts...just for fun:rotfl:

:lol:

[Morts]

i wouldn be able to control my self if we had a time machine
id go back into time
and join the luftwaffe
after that
the kriegsmarine
then id go back to 1939 and kick hitler in the nuts...just for fun:rotfl:

:lol:
like i would:rotfl:

i would only go back in time to kick hitler in the nuts:rotfl:

[Stealth Hunter]

"We"?

No.

I threaten you with a pistol and run off with the time machine to the government. They pay me money, and I go back to 1914 to fight for the German Navy at Jutland where I can meet Captain Bolko of the SMS POMMERN (who I am related to).:88)

[Sledgehammer427]

back on the subject...if there is one anymore.
i would have picked the first one, which i would be out there till i meet my untimely fate along with the other 29,999 other sailors,

id prefer to experience the happy times. and be a jolly sea pirate in the one ship even god cant sink :arrgh!:

then again, with the way ive been playing, i think the germans woulda won and i wouldnt exactly be able to type or even have a computer here now would i?

[Jimbuna]

back on the subject...if there is one anymore.
i would have picked the first one, which i would be out there till i meet my untimely fate along with the other 29,999 other sailors,

id prefer to experience the happy times. and be a jolly sea pirate in the one ship even god cant sink :arrgh!:

then again, with the way ive been playing, i think the germans woulda won and i wouldnt exactly be able to type or even have a computer here now would i?

Fair point (the latter one) :hmm:

[NiclDoe]

I would only go if i was in Happy Times becuuase nothing is more better then sinking a convoy in the middle of the night and have a good nights sleep. ;)

[Morts]

I would only go if i was in Happy Times becuuase nothing is more better then sinking a convoy in the middle of the night and have a good nights sleep. ;)
yea im sure you will sleep great after having killed hundreds of ppl:up:
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[Stealth Hunter]

I would only go if i was in Happy Times becuuase nothing is more better then sinking a convoy in the middle of the night and have a good nights sleep. ;)
yea im sure you will sleep great after having killed hundreds of ppl:up:
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Hmm, well there's always the mental assurance that it's "kill or be killed".

Give it time, and I/he might become more attune to such manners of dealing death.

[_Seth_]

Another oldie who have served its mission..... (interesting question, though...)
*Now, where did i put those keys....let's see.....oh, there they are! Aaaand:
Thread closed!* :up: