View Full Version : Would you try it, enter the Inland sea?
WilhelmSchulz.
02-21-07, 05:42 PM
When you get SHIV would try to tage your sub into the Inland Sea? I assume its like taking your sub into the Irish Sea in SHIII.
The Inland sea is shown on this map.
http://www.geocities.com/subskipper/Map1.jpg
Sailor Steve
02-21-07, 05:45 PM
Inland Sea, Sea of Japan; both are shallow, both are dangerous. I gladly went there in SH1 (actually I had no choice-you're teleported to your patrol zone) and did my best. If assigned to go there in SH4, you bet I'll swallow my fears and die like a man (hopefully no one will hear me cry "mommy").
I'd take a crack at it for the challenge. Japanese ASW doesn't impress me, though I sincerely hope the game won't give it to me as the main patrol grid anyway :dead:
hyperion2206
02-21-07, 06:14 PM
If I was ordered to go there I would do it, but if I had the choice: NO WAY!!!!! It's to shallow and you can bet that i'll be heavily guarded by escorts, planes and not to meantion the mine fields.
I would stupidly go and do it, probably more than once, and typically I would'n't learn from my mistakes either. Just like almost every career I ever did in SH3 ended in the channel or Scapa flow.
I would stupidly go and do it, probably more than once, and typically I would'n't learn from my mistakes either. Just like almost every career I ever did in SH3 ended in the channel or Scapa flow.
Haha, the forbitten fruit appeal! :p
Even if the SHIV map has it marked as 'dangerous area' and even if they put a "yankee go home" sign on the shore, people will only want to go into it more. Just note the number of English Channel threads on the SHIII forum :88)
geetrue
02-21-07, 06:31 PM
Even a lowly mine sweeper can be the end to your patrol, but near the end of the war it would be fun to give it a try ...
especially Tokyo Bay is crying out to me.
Like Steve said in SH1 it was a regular thing and it was easy to hide from the enemy in SH1 or just sink them and move on ...
I hope AI has two levels ...
badaboom
02-21-07, 06:39 PM
Would I go?..........NO!I'll go.....ROUGUE SUB......and wait,hunt,stalk in the deep,I'll keep my crew alive and return them safely to there sweethearts!!.....after the war everyone will forget I disobeyed a direct order and I'll excape a court marshall once again!!HAha:lol: ......I think I need to get out more:nope:
Drokkon
02-21-07, 09:43 PM
On route to the inland sea we encountered 4 tankers strung out in a line sailing towards Truk. We fired all 26 topedoes at them not scoring a single hit. You need to fix these things. Requesting a resupply at Pearl.
Ducimus
02-21-07, 09:46 PM
I'm with Drokkon. :88)
peterloo
02-21-07, 09:48 PM
:up: I'd like to go there before 1945...
In 1945, American B-29 scatered numberous mines everywhere, and going to the wrong port, will speel doom for my sub:down:
Zero Niner
02-21-07, 09:57 PM
Better still, for those with a death wish, Tokyo Bay beckons! :D
:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:
In SH1, the Yellow Sea & Sea of Japan were the patrol zones I dreaded the most!.
Captain Krunch
02-21-07, 10:16 PM
In real life, it doesn't look like many American skippers tried it. Below is a photo of part of a wall display at the Sub Museum at Groton, CT, showing where ships were sunk (The circles are cargo ships, triangles are tankers, and the subs are, well, US subs lost). Only three sinkings just north of the Bungo Suido, and that's it.
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/76/lossesgj7.th.jpg (http://img339.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lossesgj7.jpg)
Even a lowly mine sweeper can be the end to your patrol, but near the end of the war it would be fun to give it a try ...
especially Tokyo Bay is crying out to me.
Like Steve said in SH1 it was a regular thing and it was easy to hide from the enemy in SH1 or just sink them and move on ...
I hope AI has two levels ...
Yeah, I agree. Going into a shallow inlet should be very risky, the player should not take it litely.
Would there be any juicy targets in there anyway? It'd probably be just fishing boats.
As for Tokyo bay, hell yeah I'm going to try it... I can't wait to see the white peak of mount fuji in my scope. It had better be there :yep::stare:
nattydread
02-22-07, 04:19 AM
I'd take a crack at it for the challenge. Japanese ASW doesn't impress me, though I sincerely hope the game won't give it to me as the main patrol grid anyway :dead:
You might want to re-think that, some of the best of the best were sunken by the Japanese in the Sea of Japan. Shallow waters can be a pain, but aircraft still have an advantage. Yeah the radar detection onboard helps, but it didnt always work and had flaws...especially early versions. If your radar detection takes damage or goes out for whatever reason, expect a hard ride home. One lucky sighting by a plane, and a stealthy dive from out of the sun and your pig boat is bacon.
No good skipper with a reputable kill tally did it totally safe, they took risks. They went in when there were escoets, they stayed in there until the last possible minute, they had to take risks to be effective and those risks sometimes got them killed, sometimes it was a lucky shot by the enemy(sometime it was their own fish), or some missed an assignment, or was too slow in reacting or fell victim to the green/rookie mistakes on the planes, the bubble, or just plain complacency, etc.
They enemy doesnt always get you, sometimes you get yourself...or atleast help the enemy out.
So if your any good(as in getting kills) your going to likly get in trouble and you'll begin to respect those IJN ASW vessels...and their bomb toting birds!
hyperion2206
02-22-07, 04:31 AM
In real life, it doesn't look like many American skippers tried it. Below is a photo of part of a wall display at the Sub Museum at Groton, CT, showing where ships were sunk (The circles are cargo ships, triangles are tankers, and the subs are, well, US subs lost). Only three sinkings just north of the Bungo Suido, and that's it.
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/76/lossesgj7.th.jpg (http://img339.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lossesgj7.jpg)
Wasn't the Wahoo sunk in the Sea of Japan? If she was why isn't she on that map and if she wasn't sunk there, were was she sunk? Oh boy, I shouldn't ask more than 2 questions.;)
Zero Niner
02-22-07, 05:29 AM
The Wahoo was sunk in the La Perouse (Soya) Strait between the Japanese island of Hokkaido and the Russian island of Sakhalin, so it would be out of the map image posted by Capt Krunch.
Link: http://www.navy.mil/search/display.asp?story_id=26378
hyperion2206
02-22-07, 05:42 AM
The Wahoo was sunk in the La Perouse (Soya) Strait between the Japanese island of Hokkaido and the Russian island of Sakhalin, so it would be out of the map image posted by Capt Krunch.
Link: http://www.navy.mil/search/display.asp?story_id=26378
Thanx Zero Niner! I knew it was somewhere in that region.;)
Once I lived in Matsuyama, the near of Kure base.
We call that shallow channel "Seto nai kai"
If I were captain of US sub, I never go there!!!
Too narrow ! If go surface, there is many ships,
fishing ship, boats, and many people lives near sea!
Easy to find.
Even today (about 15years ago) Often I read the newspaper
some ship were hit to another ship.
Too many ships!:hmm:
Iron Budokan
02-22-07, 11:29 AM
Of course I would try it...
geetrue
02-22-07, 12:07 PM
I figured out what to do ... I have an old MSI 478 motherboard laying around, all I need is an old AGP video card, an intel P4 3.0 478 (under a $100 now) and a cheap case.
For under $200 I can have another computer to set up next to me with a full screen cut away of a fleet boat for orientation, actual charts for the Sea of Japan that you can zoom in on, helpful hints from nattydread and all of you nice people on SH4 forums, plus the desire to take out an unescorted IJN carrier and boogie back to Pearl for a re-load.
Simple, uh? :yep:
Hartmann
02-22-07, 04:28 PM
I would try but Wahoo was lost in perouse straits.
a very dangerous operation.
final action reports and photos of the last moments of the boat
http://www.emackinnon.com/Wahoo-Final-Battle-Report.html#photos
http://www.warfish.com/scrap7.html
Elder-Pirate
02-22-07, 04:40 PM
A guy with this little Sub could run all over the place and maybe never even be seen although he'd cause no damage unless he had some small magnetic mines he could swim out of his sub,attach said mine to enemy ships hull, get back in his mini sub and go like h#$%. :rotfl:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y116/oleman/LittleSub.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y116/oleman/Subinside.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y116/oleman/SmallSubunder.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y116/oleman/Subdown.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y116/oleman/spy_boat_04.jpg
Is that some elite Spetsnaz sub? :D
flintlock
02-22-07, 06:47 PM
That ain't no sub.
Check out this proposal for a 65-meter private luxury sub:
http://www.ussubs.com/submarines/phoenix.pdf
Now that's a sub! :up:
Hartmann
02-22-07, 08:41 PM
That ain't no sub.
Check out this proposal for a 65-meter private luxury sub:
http://www.ussubs.com/submarines/phoenix.pdf
Now that's a sub! :up:
Is very similar to a XXI boat .. :hmm: including specs.
i would paint the boat with a cammo patern :rotfl:
flintlock
02-22-07, 09:06 PM
I'm sure for what they would charge, you could have it painted cammo or whatever else you'd like.
Boasts some impressive specs:
Depth 1000 feet (305 m)
Length: 213 feet (65.0 m)
Beam: 26.3 feet (8.0 m)
Displacement: 1500 tons
Max. Surface Speed: 17 knots
Cruising Speed: 15 knots
Max. Submerged Speed: 10 knots
Surface Diesels: 2 x 1500 HP
Main Electric Motors: 2 x 500 HP, 360 V DC
Vertical Thrusters: 2 x 150 HP, hydraulic
Horizontal Thrusters: 2 x 150 HP, hydraulic
Main Oxygen: 30 days, full load
Reserve Oxygen: 10 days
Surface Range: 3500 + nautical miles
Submerged Endurance
at 10 knots: 6 hours
at 5 knots: 50 hours
at 2.5 knots: 140 hours
at rest: 20 days minimum
:|\\
Elder-Pirate
02-23-07, 12:10 PM
I just put in an order for one in "Chartreuse". :rotfl: :rotfl: :arrgh!: :ping: :|\\ :-j
dean_acheson
02-23-07, 02:39 PM
I would stupidly go and do it, probably more than once, and typically I would'n't learn from my mistakes either. Just like almost every career I ever did in SH3 ended in the channel or Scapa flow.
LOL at that. That is a familliar story! It's always, this time I'll try it this way, and I'm sure that I'll make it....
I can see going into the inland see, if only to pretend I'm Mush for abit....
nattydread
02-23-07, 10:07 PM
Looks like a little blue suppository.
La Perouse(sp?) Strait was a common way of getting into the Sea of Japan. It was mined, but the depths were for submerged vessels. Surface vessels coul dget through with no problem if I remember correctly. This usually meant a surfaced night run, it only took part of a night at flank to get through I think.
I believe they suspect Wahoo had been damaged from a depth charging she took a day or so before. I believe I remember there neing a IJN report that stated they saw an oil trail(or maybe Capt. O'Kane of the USS Tang speculatd this). She either hit a mine trying to slip through wounded and submerged or was caught on the surface trying to limp out. I believe IJN reports 2 or 3 DD/DEs or something catching her...but this is all from memory. I need to go back and read it again.
There were two sinkings that choke me up everytime, the lose of the Wahoo and Capt Morton & crew, and the sinking of the USS Tang by a here own circling torpedo. It was the last fish, at night, on the surface against a wounded ship they were trying to finish off before going home. He survived only because the explosion threw him clear from the bridge/conning tower, i think only couple others survived too.
Immacolata
02-24-07, 06:27 AM
Once I lived in Matsuyama, the near of Kure base.
We call that shallow channel "Seto nai kai"
Strait that isnt big?
If I were captain of US sub, I never go there!!!
Too narrow ! If go surface, there is many ships,
fishing ship, boats, and many people lives near sea!
Easy to find.
Even today (about 15years ago) Often I read the newspaper
some ship were hit to another ship.
Too many ships!:hmm:
I wonder how Ubi chose to populate the area in-game. Hope it will be the Pacific version of The Channel and Gibraltar in SH3 :)
hyperion2206
02-24-07, 10:21 AM
Once I lived in Matsuyama, the near of Kure base.
We call that shallow channel "Seto nai kai"
Strait that isnt big?
If I were captain of US sub, I never go there!!!
Too narrow ! If go surface, there is many ships,
fishing ship, boats, and many people lives near sea!
Easy to find.
Even today (about 15years ago) Often I read the newspaper
some ship were hit to another ship.
Too many ships!:hmm:
I wonder how Ubi chose to populate the area in-game. Hope it will be the Pacific version of The Channel and Gibraltar in SH3 :)
I'm pretty sure that the waters around Japan will be heavily guarded. The question is how good the escorts are. Will every ship have some sort of ASDIC?
Crosseye76
02-25-07, 04:25 AM
The Inland Sea, probably not. I think we'll get our fill of shallow water combat as we start hunting in the South China Sea.
Sulikate
02-25-07, 08:42 AM
I think I'd risk and enter the inland sea. I'd probably have some nice shallow water DC evading:arrgh!:
Safe-Keeper
02-25-07, 09:00 AM
So it's kind of the English Channel of the Pacific? If so, I'm going on.
or japanese channel:rotfl:
Sulikate
02-25-07, 09:02 AM
So it's kind of the English Channel of the Pacific? If so, I'm going on.
Yep!:arrgh!:
ps: I hope there aren't as many minefields there:shifty:
Barkhorn1x
02-25-07, 09:34 AM
I'm going in too!
Barkhorn.
When you get SHIV would try to tage your sub into the Inland Sea? I assume its like taking your sub into the Irish Sea in SHIII.
The Inland sea is shown on this map.
http://www.geocities.com/subskipper/Map1.jpg
and they called ME a tonnage whore;):ping::roll::rotfl:
as for me id consider it, id certainly follow a carrier or battleship or tanker in there
Deep-Six
03-01-07, 01:19 AM
If ordered I would do it, and I do like challanges.:yep:
kiwi_2005
03-01-07, 08:57 AM
When you get SHIV would try to tage your sub into the Inland Sea? I assume its like taking your sub into the Irish Sea in SHIII.
The Inland sea is shown on this map.
http://www.geocities.com/subskipper/Map1.jpg
Hell yeah! I did it in SH1 and in SH2 Pacific Aces Campaign. I'll do it again in SHIV. Besides the pacific is a big ocean its pretty lonely out their your end up wanting to go inland. I remeber leaving pearl harbour in Pacific Aces and theirs nothing till you get close to inland or if ya lucky you might find a convoy but it was like looking for a needle in a haystack at times.
So it's kind of the English Channel of the Pacific? If so, I'm going on.
Ohhhhhh what a brave man you are !!! :D :D :D
I think it's more narrower than English channel !!!
If SH4 will reproduce sea traffic correctly on history,
1941~1943 :there will be too many IJN war ships there,
1944~1945 :there will be too many magnetic mine, sound mine etc,
which had dropped by US bomber B-29 :up:
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