whats the point of renown?

[Phil]

why is this included in the game would real uboats only get certain upgrades if they had good patrols? Or is it to make the player of the game be agressive and go to the correct patrol zones and not go joy riding? also is there anyway to turn it off cause i would like all the upgrades as they come along since i need all the help i can get

[Morts]

there is a way to get more renown
you have to edit a file wich i dont remember where is:damn:

[AVGWarhawk]

Be more aggressive!

[Corsair]

This is why I like the "no renown" system of NYGM mod...:up:
Instead of costing "renown", it takes time in port to install the stuff or commission a new boat.

[FIREWALL]

why is this included in the game would real uboats only get certain upgrades if they had good patrols? Or is it to make the player of the game be agressive and go to the correct patrol zones and not go joy riding? also is there anyway to turn it off cause i would like all the upgrades as they come along since i need all the help i can get

Hi Phil

The procedure has been posted and is simple. Use the search feature
on this site and you will find it.

[Phil]

why is this included in the game would real uboats only get certain upgrades if they had good patrols? Or is it to make the player of the game be agressive and go to the correct patrol zones and not go joy riding? also is there anyway to turn it off cause i would like all the upgrades as they come along since i need all the help i can get

Hi Phil

The procedure has been posted and is simple. Use the search feature
on this site and you will find it.

thanks i looked back and found it

[Ducimus]

Well, here's "a" argument for renown which ive concocted on my own from the far recceses of that underused grey matter betwixed my ears.


Renown, is simply fame. Or, positive reputation. In the real world, (im about to apply a big paint brush here, brace yourselves), supplies available to militaries are often limited. Either not enough is being produced, the shipments went somewhere else, or maybe they just got blown up somewhere. But the point being, supplies and equipment are not unlimited.

Now supplies, are usually inventoried, watched over, and ultimatly issued out by people placed in charge of supplies. The short of this is, if your a supply sargeant, and you only have say,... 2 snorkels left in your inventory, are you going to pass them out freely? Or would you perhaps hold onto one of them for a buddy who happends to be skipper of some uboat?

Or simply put in other terms:

*supply sgt gets on phone* "hey Herbert ya its me, Karl, hey man, you owe me big on this one! You know those snorkels you were scrounging for? well i managed to save one for you but you better get down here and pick it up quick, cause i wont be able to hold onto it forever"

[q65]

I like the thought behind the Renown but I dont like that you could lose your Rank when you use Renown to get upgrades. To me the Rank is more important then the Renown. Ranking should be based on Tonnage and the Upgrades based on Renown.

[Iron Budokan]

I don't mind the game play behind renown....it's okay, imo.

[IRONxMortlock]

I dislike having to "buy" boats and upgrades with renown. It's way too "console" for my liking.

I do think it is an appropriate way to track your rank and awards though.

I have edited the files so that all upgrades and new u-boats cost zero renown. This way I can have the best of both worlds.:|\\
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[Albrecht Von Hesse]

Ducimus: Yeppers, that's how I see it too. As well as your CO looking at you and scowling, "Vat? You vant the new turbocharged engines? You haven't sunk more than 2,000 tonnes a patrol yet! If I vere to approve anyone's request to the yard dogs, it vould be KAPITÄNLEUTNANT Valter Heller: he brings home at least 30,000 tonnes a patrol!"

[melnibonian]

there is a way to get more renown
you have to edit a file wich i dont remember where is:damn:
You have to Join the Dark Side if you want to get more renown;) and you need to alter the GameSettings.Cfg file to play with the realism settings:D

[danlisa]

there is a way to get more renown
you have to edit a file wich i dont remember where is:damn: You have to Join the Dark Side if you want to get more renown;) and you need to alter the GameSettings.Cfg file to play with the realism settings:D

*Heavy Mechanical Breathing - Whoop Whosh Whoop Whosh....Vader is in 'da House.*

In the save directory in My Documents find the latest save point for your current career, then find (IIRC) the last Patrol**.cfg. Towards the bottom of this cfg there is an entry for DELTA RENOWN. Put any figure you like.;)

*Quick blast from Inhaler - Much better*

Carry on, nothing to see here.

[jasonsagert]

No no melnibonian, anyone on The True Dark Side knows of the Patrol_0.cfg. The simple way to right the wrongs of renown. But I would NEVER do anything like that :roll:.

But in all seriousness, I've decided to take it as it comes in my current career. I'm currently on my 4th patrol in Jan 40'--decided to try doing the whole war for a change. I already have over 8000 renown and still nothing to spend it on--so I just get promoted and medals.

Though, starting a career from the beginning makes me think that the Devs possibly designed the renown system to function when starting a career in '39 and progressing from there. If you don't do that, the renown system becomes rediculous. In 44', you should get 10,000 renown for making it to your patrol gird and back to port in one piece.

Edit: ok, maybe not 10,000 renown, but more that 500.

Anyway, just my thoughts...

Cheers,

J

[melnibonian]

@jasonsagert

if you alter the basic renown values you're cheating. What the Dark Side suggests is a way to get the full renown you would have got if you were playing at 100% realism. After all since you are actually sinking the ships why not take the renown as well. I would never ever suggest you take non-credited renown;) :D We might be dark but we're honest:p :smug:

[jasonsagert]

Ahh melnibonian, I see. Heck, I don't dable in any of that nonsense anyway--Ok, maybe I did back in the day. I enjoy messing with games when I first get them.

But, I must pose the question: What is "full" renown, and does one ever really deserve it?

AHAHAHHA...do what you want with renown. I've decided to just stick with the GWX solution as I find that renown is involved in one of two things:

1) upgrades, which just make it easier--do you want a challange or do you want a arcade shooter?

2) medals and promotions--can you say ego? They only matter for your crew I guess, not for you at all.

I like Ducimus's explaination for renown, and that's typically how I "role-play" it. Yea, I role-play my SH3 careers :lol: and I enjoy the hell out of doing so :up:

J

[melnibonian]

Mate I totally agree with you. I do not play at 100% realism but I don't also play an arcade game. I do role-play my career a lot and I do care about my crew and their wellfare. Now I do also agree that renown in SH3/GW/GWX has to do with upgrades and promotions. My argument with those are

1. Upgrades: Without renown you cannot upgrade your boat, something which is totally stupid in a real war situation. OK you might not get the latest radar or sonar the moment they're out of the factory, but you will get it soon enough. In GW/GWX/SH3 system as years go by it gets more and more difficult to upgrade your boat, something which is totally unrealistic.

2. Promotions: Promotions are linked to current renown and not tonnage, something that leads to the ridiculus argument 'should I get the latest sonar and torpedoes or wait one more patrol to get promoted?'. In my GW career I sunk almost 2,000,000 GWT (in 50-60% realism) throughout the war and I' ve end up as a Senior Lieutenant. The rank has totally no correlation whatsoever with the amount of damage I was doing to the Allies.

These are the reasons I claim you should be getting full renown from the ships sunk.

I was always a bit fan of the argument 'play the game as you like it and the way you have fun' that's why I joined the Dark Side;) :D

[Morts]

there is a way to get more renown
you have to edit a file wich i dont remember where is:damn: You have to Join the Dark Side if you want to get more renown;) and you need to alter the GameSettings.Cfg file to play with the realism settings:D

*Heavy Mechanical Breathing - Whoop Whosh Whoop Whosh....Vader is in 'da House.*

In the save directory in My Documents find the latest save point for your current career, then find (IIRC) the last Patrol**.cfg. Towards the bottom of this cfg there is an entry for DELTA RENOWN. Put any figure you like.;)

*Quick blast from Inhaler - Much better*


Carry on, nothing to see here.
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[jasonsagert]

melnibonian: I agree with you 100% on both points (and the third also ;)). I just wish that there was a better solution to the renown system as a whole--and the NYGM system addressed this, but doesn't fix the issue as a whole. Oh well, I desire a lot of things that just aren't.

Yep, I guess we'll have to deal with what we have. I know l'll have a lot of fun sinking ships anyway :up:

Cheers,

J

[q65]

I think that it would be better if you could get an upgrade only after the date avaliable and a certain amount of renown. The renown would not decrease when you received your upgrade. If renown references your popularity why should you lose popularity when you receive and upgrade? One minute your the hero the next your a goat.

[STEED]

I was always a bit fan of the argument 'play the game as you like it and the way you have fun' that's why I joined the Dark Side;) :D

Lord Vader walks in

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General melinbonian knows the power of the Dark Side, you are now posted to my flag ship don't fail me Admiral melnibonian.

[melnibonian]

I was always a bit fan of the argument 'play the game as you like it and the way you have fun' that's why I joined the Dark Side;) :D

Lord Vader walks in

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/1095/untitledri8.png
General melinbonian knows the power of the Dark Side, you are now posted to my flag ship don't fail me Admiral melnibonian.
:o As you wish My Lord :arrgh!: :|\\

[danurve]

This is why I like the "no renown" system of NYGM mod...:up:
Instead of costing "renown", it takes time in port to install the stuff or commission a new boat.

Hope this isn't inaccurate to NYGM but part of this mod if I understand the readme's is the tonnage, in which it replaces renown. Imo it is more difficult to slab a tin can and the reward should reflect that.

The supermods turn me off in such a way like that as they change too much of the game towards how someone else feels you should be playing.

[Ducimus]

Without renown you cannot upgrade your boat, something which is totally stupid in a real war situation. OK you might not get the latest radar or sonar the moment they're out of the factory, but you will get it soon enough. In GW/GWX/SH3 system as years go by it gets more and more difficult to upgrade your boat, something which is totally unrealistic.

I'd argue the exact opposite. For example, in a past life... a long time ago, in a galaxy far far away, i was in what was sometimes called a "prioirty unit". If it was availaible, what they wanted, they got, no questions asked, no red tape, no BS. If said unit wasn't a "prioirty unit", the requisition of equipment would have been very much different.

Now consider the german situation for a moment. They're industries have been bombed to bits, their in a stranglehold on two front's, and logistical support was probably a utter nightmare. As the war dragged on, you betcha things got harder to aquire.


The sad truth where militaries at wartime is concerned is you have to improvise and make due without things you wish you had or needed. That, is just a cold hard fact of life. It's applicable now, and im quite certain it was applicable then. I mean.. where in the hell do you think the term to "Jerry rig" came from?

[Sailor Steve]

Actually....................................
http://www.wordcourt.com/archives.php?show=2004-03-10

"Jerry Rig" is a combination of "Jerry-built", which dates to the 1800s, and "Jury Rig", which is much older. The article doesn't mention it, but a slang dictionary I looked at gives a 1750s reference which states it's from the French "Jourier", which means "for-the-day" (as in "Soup du Jour").

[Ducimus]

actually......
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jerry-rig

[IRONxMortlock]

actually......
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jerry-rig

Actually...

I would put very little faith in any definition from the urban dictionary. Steve's source seems far more credible.
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[FIREWALL]

What did you think to get an answer out of this. Don't use it if it doesn;t
work for you. :nope:

[Ducimus]

Meh. I don't care. Despite sources im pretty sure i have it correct.

Jerry was slang for german.
Then there's Jerrycan's. (you can look that up on wiki if you want)

Jerry-rigged is synomous with n*****-riged. Both mean the same thing, but ones infinitly more derragatory. Oddly enough, being bored on my commute to work, i sat there contemplating which term was introduced first. My conclusion was that i didn't really want to know. :lol:

[Sailor Steve]

As for “jerry,” British soldiers began calling Germans “Jerries” in World War I, not World War II. But the “jerry” in “jerry-built” dates back to the mid-1800s. It may be old British slang for a chamber pot, or it may be a reference to the walls of Jericho, which came tumbling down—but word historians don’t believe it has anything to do with Germans.
I would also recommending heading to a library and taking a look at any good dictionary of slang.

[Ducimus]

Ok steve, you can have the final word. You "win".

Point being im not gotta keep tossing this one back and forth just to feed the ego driven need of being "right".

Oh, and here's your gold star http://www.francesandcompany.com/asicrystal/Star1/S432_Electroplated_Gold_Star_WoodenBase.jpg

[Sailor Steve]

Sour grapes. I'm not trying to be right, just helpful.:p