Death of SHIII?

[Razman23]

With the release of SHIV within the month, do you think that SHIII will fade to the briney deep?

I am going to say that it will take a hit but after six months or so, people will come back to play the Atlantic once again.

[Lanzfeld]

I am really excitied about the mod of SH-4 to the Atlantic!

I hope..............

[Torplexed]

I think people who are more interested in the Atlantic War will graviatate back to it eventually if they do pick up SH4. I always found all naval warfare in WW2 interesting but just like on land some have strong preferences as to which theater. (Ever meet an Eastern Front buff? ;)) I also believe someday there will be a more comprehensive Atlantic U-Boat sim. The market is there.

[melnibonian]

I think people who are more interested in the Atlantic War will graviatate back to it eventually if they do pick up SH4. I always found all naval warfare in WW2 interesting but just like on land some have strong preferences as to which theater. (Ever meet an Eastern Front buff? ;)) I also believe someday there will be a more comprehensive Atlantic U-Boat sim. The market is there.
True and to the point:up:

[Brag]

I think a lot will depend on the realism of SHIV. Another aspect is: Will computers be able to have both games installed? My 200 gig machine seems to be maxed. In my present career stage, I'm far from ready to move to the Pacific.

[mookiemookie]

I'm a Battle of the Atlantic junkie, so until something better in that arena is released, SH3 will always have a place on my hard drive.

[DanCanovas]

i'll be going over to SH4 for a while.

[GT182]

Same as Mookie. I might try SH4 eventually but SHIII is here to stay on my HDD.

Tho I hope to have a 400gig HDD SATAII setup soon, 200 for storeage and 200 for play. With all the mods the 200gig storeage will come in handy. ;) LOL

[mr chris]

Have pre-ordered SH4 but it will sit on the shelve till some one brings SH3 into SH4 so you can play SH3 a atlantic game as the Germans or SH4 As the US or Japs in the pacific on the same game then you will have a total sub WWII game:yep::yep:

[Von Taticus]

SH4 Seems more to me as a Super Mod than a new package.

Most of the things I would have liked to have seen (more compartments and improved damage model not are there, in fact they are being cut back "simplified" is the term used.

The mods made to SH3 by the fantastic mod teams would appear to be better that the SH4 proposed spec. IMHO

I love the atlantic, So I shall stay with SH3 and forget any rushed out super mod
by UBisoft.

I'll still be battling in NYGM 2.4

I'll wait for a better Altantic sim, if it ever occurs.

Steve

[Brag]

Have pre-ordered SH4 but it will sit on the shelve till some one brings SH3 into SH4 so you can play SH3 a atlantic game as the Germans or SH4 As the US or Japs in the pacific on the same game then you will have a total sub WWII game:yep::yep:

I am with Mr Chris :up: :up: :up:

[Hartmann]

I will have both installed in my hard disk. well 10 gb could be enough, because i stored all mods in cds for security. or buy a new hd.

But Sh3 is reaching the top in modding so a lot of modders could move to sh4.
A dream could be put sh3 with the SH4 engine, but perhaps impossible or very difficult :hmm: GWXX ?? :rotfl:

[mookiemookie]

But Sh3 is reaching the top in modding so a lot of modders could move to sh4.
A dream could be put sh3 with the SH4 engine, but perhaps impossible or very difficult :hmm: GWXX ?? :rotfl:

Ubi, please release a software developers kit for SHIV!!! :up:

[Warmonger]

SH3 will definitely stay on my HD because, as others already said, I find the Atlantic scenario way more interesting than the Pacific one.

But being a sub maniac I will give SH4 a try (after the first super mods ;)),

[hyperion2206]

I will get rid of SH3 as soon as SH4 is in my hand. Even with GWX I've grown tired of the Atlantic.:dead:

[High Voltage]

GWX is still relatively new to me and I know the message boards will be filled with bugs and complaints the first few months of SH4's release. Ubi will probably have to release a patch or two and I just don't want to get discouraged too early, so I'm going to leave it to others to wrinkle out the mistakes, and only then will I be willing to join the hunt!

[OneTinSoldier]

SH4 Seems more to me as a Super Mod than a new package.

Most of the things I would have liked to have seen (more compartments and improved damage model not are there, in fact they are being cut back "simplified" is the term used.

The mods made to SH3 by the fantastic mod teams would appear to be better that the SH4 proposed spec. IMHO
I'll wait for a better Altantic sim, if it ever occurs.

Steve

I agree. Like Neal said, don't underestimate the 'atmosphere' that compartments such as the Radio/Sonar/Captain's Bed compartment adds to the game. I really love that part! I would like to have at least seen a Torpedo Room compartment added, instead they are being cut back. And I too would have also expected to see improved damage modeling.

But I will of course watch and see what people have to say about the new version after it's released before making a real decision on whether I would consider it a worthy successor and/or buy it.

[Torplexed]

Well....I think as we can see SH3 will still be alive and well after the release of SH4. Now if they would just release an Destroyer Command 2. I wouldn't mind trying the Atlantic from a different angle again as a escort or destroyer captain. Hopefully, they'll have all nationalities this time and not just the USN. ;) I think modeling all interior compartments would be out in that one. Surface ships have too many. Just give me a bridge. :lol:

[Myxale]

I know that SH4 will be pretty nice and modders will do the other mojo to further it, and that i won't mind to dip in to sink som Japanese Cargo!
But I also know that i will go back to the atlantic soon enough since I can't live without my IXB and the Tommies -who make my simming live a hell!
May it be with Sh3 or an mod by SH4.
For me this is a win-win scenario!
:hmm:

[dsvet91]

I think people who are more interested in the Atlantic War will graviatate back to it eventually if they do pick up SH4. I always found all naval warfare in WW2 interesting but just like on land some have strong preferences as to which theater. (Ever meet an Eastern Front buff? ;)) I also believe someday there will be a more comprehensive Atlantic U-Boat sim. The market is there.


I will stick to SHIII modded up to GWX, as that is all I play now, except for a few hours every now and then, that I spend playind Combat Mission, Barbarossa to Berlin. (Ost Front Buff checking in.)

[Torplexed]

I will stick to SHIII modded up to GWX, as that is all I play now, except for a few hours every now and then, that I spend playind Combat Mission, Barbarossa to Berlin. (Ost Front Buff checking in.) Yeah..you Ost Front buffs. Western Europe and Northern Africa are for wimps. ;) :lol:

[Boris]

I want to still play SH3 after SH4 is released but I'm afraid I'm going to get sucked in. I'm a sucker for eye candy, and I'll find that I won't be able to play SH3 because it doesn't have all the cool new stuff of SH4.
It'll be refreshing to play in a new theatre, but like most here I'm a U-boat fan, and will likely assist in any effort to expand SH4 into the Atlantic.
Fingers crossed... I hope it's possible.

[mr chris]

The main problem for me is that i like to be in a target rich enviroment and the US subs did not have this the Germans in the Atlantic now thats another matter.

[STEED]

SH3 to die, never I tell you.

Hey I still got SH1 and still play it. :smug:

[Torplexed]

SH3 to die, never I tell you.

Hey I still got SH1 and still play it. :smug:

Me too. But's it hard to enjoy without that external view cam that debuted with SH2. :yep:

[DanCanovas]

I want to still play SH3 after SH4 is released but I'm afraid I'm going to get sucked in. I'm a sucker for eye candy, and I'll find that I won't be able to play SH3 because it doesn't have all the cool new stuff of SH4.
It'll be refreshing to play in a new theatre, but like most here I'm a U-boat fan, and will likely assist in any effort to expand SH4 into the Atlantic.
Fingers crossed... I hope it's possible.

im with you Boris, im a sucker for eye candy too and I think SH3 will look a bit dull in comparison but no less fun. Im a big atlantic fan but SH4 gives me opportunity to learn new stuff which is great. I think we're split into 2 Groups, Sub fanatics (those who will play any sub sim asap regardless of location...im in this group) and those that are only really interested in the Atlantic. One thing is that Sh3 will gradually fade as SH4 modding takes over and offers new opportunities.

[ReallyDedPoet]

I will play both, I am sure SH4 more when it comes out, but SH3 will stay on the hard-drive. I prefer the Atlantic Theatre :up:

[Iron Budokan]

I have no intention of deleting SH3 from my HD.

[GlobalExplorer]

The big big question is if an SH4 Atlantic Mod is possible. With the big obstacle being the sub interiors. If it materializes, SHIII will be dead soon.

If not, a lot of players will gravitate back to SHIII, most of them will probably have both games running.

Also don't forget that these type of games tend to get better and better with mods, so I expect that Sh4 will have a lot of deficits in comparison to SHIII GWX. So, until there are comparable mods for Sh4, it will not be as simple as higher=better.

I am still looking forward to playing in the pacific, but I am sure it will miss the "Das Boot" feeling.

GE

[Sailor Steve]

The mods made to SH3 by the fantastic mod teams would appear to be better that the SH4 proposed spec. IMHO
:rotfl:

Transparent water.

Vastly improved crew management, including rotating watch bills.

I won't knock the mods for SHIII, because they're all wonderful, but SH4 looks to be a lot more than just a 'supermod'.

I said it on another similar thread, and I'll say it again: I love WWII subs, period. I'll play SH4, but I won't retire SHIII until the next big u-boat sim comes along. I'll play them both side-by-side, and I'll be happier than all of ya!:p

[elite_hunter_sh3]

But Sh3 is reaching the top in modding so a lot of modders could move to sh4.
A dream could be put sh3 with the SH4 engine, but perhaps impossible or very difficult :hmm: GWXX ?? :rotfl:
Ubi, please release a software developers kit for SHIV!!! :up:

questions been asked to ubi devs, not gonna happen :damn::damn::damn::damn:

[U-Dog]

The mods made to SH3 by the fantastic mod teams would appear to be better that the SH4 proposed spec. IMHO :rotfl:

Transparent water.

Vastly improved crew management, including rotating watch bills.

I won't knock the mods for SHIII, because they're all wonderful, but SH4 looks to be a lot more than just a 'supermod'.

I said it on another similar thread, and I'll say it again: I love WWII subs, period. I'll play SH4, but I won't retire SHIII until the next big u-boat sim comes along. I'll play them both side-by-side, and I'll be happier than all of ya!:p

I'll play both, that is if my old computer can handle SH4:hmm: Better start saving for an upgrade, I think!

[Mush Martin]

As a student of pre atomic submersible warfare I love mission simming
in both campaigns and am quite likely to stay active in sh3 after a month
or two of breaking sh4.

I just love the whole subject and when your making a living history
why limit yourself to one theatre.

MM:|\\

[DanCanovas]

As a student of pre atomic submersible warfare I love mission simming
in both campaigns and am quite likely to stay active in sh3 after a month
or two of breaking sh4.

I just love the whole subject and when your making a living history
why limit yourself to one theatre.

MM:|\\

well put!

[codmander]

sh3 killer will be sh5 :arrgh!:

[flintlock]

I've played SH3 to death. It's a good game, and although I've spent many an hour patrolling the virtual Atlantic and prefer this theatre to the Pacific, I'll be sticking with SH4. This has as much to do with the 4:3 aspect ratio and 1024x768 res limitation as anything else (yes, I'm aware of the d3d9.dll hack).

Just too many improvements over it's predecessor.

[John|Blackthorne]

I'm still getting used to SH3 and haven;t actually played TGW so it will be a while before i'll buy and play SH4. I'm curious though as how much harder/easier it will be.

[Jimbuna]

The mods made to SH3 by the fantastic mod teams would appear to be better that the SH4 proposed spec. IMHO
:rotfl:

Transparent water.

Vastly improved crew management, including rotating watch bills.

I won't knock the mods for SHIII, because they're all wonderful, but SH4 looks to be a lot more than just a 'supermod'.

I said it on another similar thread, and I'll say it again: I love WWII subs, period. I'll play SH4, but I won't retire SHIII until the next big u-boat sim comes along. I'll play them both side-by-side, and I'll be happier than all of ya!:p

Permit me to echo those sentiments :rock: :up:

[flintlock]

Ubi, please release a software developers kit for SHIV!!! Even after Ubisoft had:

a. Released any/all expansions for SH4 (obviously pure speculation on expansions)

b. Built an entirely new engine from the ground up for SH? (assuming the franchise continues)

I still think you'd have next to zero prospect of ever seeing a SDK released for SH4.

[Takeda Shingen]

I'll be 'transfering' to SHIV. After nearly six years, I am kind of burnt out on the Atlantic.

[DanCanovas]

Tokyo here we come!! :rock:

[Von Taticus]

:rotfl:

Transparent water.

Vastly improved crew management, including rotating watch bills.



I'm sorry but I think I have to politely disagree.
I would expect much more improvements than that for my 40 quid.

[Kpt. Lehmann]

For those interested in U-boats and the Battle of the Atlantic... I think that Sh3 will be the place to be for several years to come.

There may be another U-boat sim in production somewhere right now... but it will have a MILLION miles to go to address things as comprehensively as SH3 plus the big mods... even if a hypothetical U-boat sim is under construction now and assuming it has one or two superior elements.

That being said... I look forward to SH4 as a distraction from all the work we've done modding SH3... but only as a "break" from SH3. In some ways, I'm still "just discovering" SH3. It will be my turn to enjoy SH3 soon enough.:yep:

Even though testing new stuff is always cool... it is no substitute for simply playing the game.

We have some final targets to hit with GWX before it is playtime.

Gatos are cool...

U-boats are cooler IMHO.

[Sailor Steve]

I'm sorry but I think I have to politely disagree.
I would expect much more improvements than that for my 40 quid.
Disagreement is good. I just take exception to the idea that modded SH3 (so far) is better that what we're seeing from SH4 (so far).

It looks like a major overhaul to me, and I hope the same will be done to SH3 soon.

[DanCanovas]

I'm sorry but I think I have to politely disagree.
I would expect much more improvements than that for my 40 quid.
Disagreement is good. I just take exception to the idea that modded SH3 (so far) is better that what we're seeing from SH4 (so far).

It looks like a major overhaul to me, and I hope the same will be done to SH3 soon.


I agree! SH4 will be a big improvement over 3 from the looks of it! And if your paying £40 in Britain for Sh4 then they saw you coming because its £25 everywhere else.

[flintlock]

After nearly six years, I am kind of burnt out on the Atlantic. That is a long virtual career, that's for certain. To be honest though, as long as the technology (PC hardware/software) continues to improve and evolve and software developers are able to exploit said advances to create new and immersive gaming experiences, I don't think I'll ever tire of the Atlantic theatre (or any theatre for that matter). That said, I've definitely had enough of the current SH3 to put it out to pasture.

[AnthonyKennethDonaldCalve]

Don't you think it a little odd that just as Ubisoft are releasing sh4 with much vaunted graphical improvements, the same treatment is being done to enemy engaged, commanche v hokum (the forthcoming title being imaginatively called enemy engaged 2). If you take a look over at sim hq you will find that again the core game has not been changed but the graphics have been given a face lift. A new trend for sim publishers? Shurely shome mishtake.....

[bigboywooly]

Wow thats some nickname

[Torplexed]

Wow thats some nickname

Yeah...I don't think I've ever seen a nick squash the text area over to the right like that. :hmm:

[immortal44]

Shouldn't we wait and see just how much the game has improved before asking this question?

If you take a look over at sim hq you will find that again the core game has not been changed but the graphics have been given a face lift. A new trend for sim publishers?

That is what the bean counters want, and they usually get what they want. Graphics to attract people in the shop, doesn't matter if that leaves little time to polish the rest of the game. I'm sure many developers would prefer to work on their games a little longer, but unfortunately they often don't have a choice :cry:

[flintlock]

Shouldn't we wait and see just how much the game has improved before asking this question? The OP's original question is With the release of SHIV within the month, do you think that SHIII will fade to the briney deep?

Seems like a fair enough question to me.

[Deep-Six]

I have a 300gig hdd, and both games will be on my desktop syst.

Oh and BTW, I too still have SH 1 installed on another syst that supports it.

I have $100 just waiting in the wings.:yep:

[robbo180265]

Having only just got a pooter capable of runnning SHIII comfortably, and being a Brit that loves the Atlantic theater I doubt I'll be going over to SHIV.

For me being in charge of a U boat is where I want to be, the Pacific doesn't interest me as much.

Maybe I'll try it if I ever get bored with SHIII, but to be honest I'm still enjoying GWX far too much to want to change just yet:D

[Venatore]

My answer is no, SH3 is here for the long haul. My reason for saying this is simple. If they make SH4 the same as SH3 with regards to file structure and accessibilty, then I hope we will be able to share SH4 files and merge them into Sh3. So in fact SH4 will make SH3 live longer !

That's my theory and I'm sticking to it ! :doh:

[Jimbuna]

I agree! SH4 will be a big improvement over 3 from the looks of it! And if your paying £40 in Britain for Sh4 then they saw you coming because its £25 everywhere else. :up:

http://amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_ss_w_h_/202-7959136-5552624?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=Silent+Hunter+4


My answer is no, SH3 is here for the long haul. My reason for saying this is simple. If they make SH4 the same as SH3 with regards to file structure and accessibilty, then I hope we will be able to share SH4 files and merge them into Sh3. So in fact SH4 will make SH3 live longer !


I sure hope your right :yep:

[poor sailor]

I will stay long time with SH3. SH4 is not interesting to me. I like Atlantic and the U-boats. If SH5 would be again in Atlantic then I will try it. Many thanks to both teams NYGM and Grey Wolves and many other modders for keeping this game live and better.

[Morts]

SH3 wont die (i hope)
since its a great game

i might put SH3 on the shelf for like 1-2 months while playing SH4
and when ive "explored" SH4 a bit ill play both

[danurve]

Never played SH1, tried SH2 for a while. A good game for it's time but the crashes drove me away from it. I do remember some real good single missions etc.
To the point sure Im sure I'll get around to trying SH4 at some point, it's a SubSim after all. So whats the big deal. However my true interest in WW2 era subs are U-Boats. Which realy just means SH3 some day may indeed die, but not from my drive.

btw; Most of you have probably heard of SimCity4. Well that game came out in `03, and still has a strong following. This thread is near much the same jazz as when rumors of a 'next' version surfaced.

[Ducimus]

With the release of SHIV within the month, do you think that SHIII will fade to the briney deep?

I am going to say that it will take a hit but after six months or so, people will come back to play the Atlantic once again.


I think some people will stay in SH3 and not bother with SH4 at all for various reasons.

Of the people that do go to SH4, i think only a fraction, or a handful of those will go back to SH3. The rest will probably stay in Sh4, with an occasional nostalgic jaunt back into SH3, but usually returning to SH4. Then they'll be the diehards, in both games that will never leave.

Personnaly, i really doubt ill go back to Sh3. Ive been playing this game entire too long now and its time for something new. That and my "first love" in sub sim's is, and always has been, a Gato. Ive only played the atlantic, because that's all they really is in a modern game title.

[bart]

Well, I intend to buy SH4 for sure as I'm interested in all things sub (WW2 anyway) but I won't loose interest in SH3, as GWX is just FANTASTIC. It's breathed new life into SH3 and made it into the game it should have been when it was released.

GWX just :rock:

I'm hoping for a return to the Atlantic, it's where my heart and interest really is, with either SH5 or a mod for SH4 to the Atlantic.

But hey......I'm still looking forward to getting some Pacific action.:up:

[JU_88]

Id like to think when the GWX final update is released SH3 will finally contain all the stuff I wanted in the first place and will probably be a more complete package that SHIV will be, dont get me wrong I will buy SHIV and play the hell out of it but with both titles installed the way I see it is that i can pick and choose - an Atlanic campaign or Pacific one depending on my mood. :up:

[Jimbuna]

I think the most awaited mod will be the ability to playSH3 in the Pacific theatre as well with all the multitude of subs/ships of either. :yep:

Now that would be just perfect :rock:

[AVGWarhawk]

SH3 will not disappear. Heck a lot still play SH2!!!. SH3 is in a whole world by itself. If you want a taste of the Atlantic, SH3(with GWX) is the game! If you hunger for the Pacific, SH4(hopefully)will be the ticket. I will purchase SH4. I just hope out of the box it plays up to what SH3 is now with GWX. We will see. I will be playing both. It is all depending on what salinity of water I want to taste for the day!!! Atlantic or Pacific? Let me taste water and see which one I want to play in today:up:

[Jimbuna]

I just hope out of the box it plays up to what SH3 is now with GWX.

Ever the optimist I fear :nope:
Don't take any bets :arrgh!:

[AVGWarhawk]

I just hope out of the box it plays up to what SH3 is now with GWX.
Ever the optimist I fear :nope:
Don't take any bets :arrgh!:

None taken...in fact Vegas won't touch it!

[Jimbuna]

I just hope out of the box it plays up to what SH3 is now with GWX.
Ever the optimist I fear :nope:
Don't take any bets :arrgh!:

None taken...in fact Vegas won't touch it!

:rotfl: :rotfl: :up:

[csg_enven]

I think SHIII will stay in the hearts of many; Atlantic seas are much more intense (in my opinion!) when you know you have no way out...(if you like inevitability...I sure do!)


Plus the seas in the atlantic are much more centralized...and more enjoyable....and colder.

Muahaha

[STEED]

SH3+GWX=One heck of a game that will never, never die. :up:

[thefretmaster]

i feel that we have all been playing sh3 for some time now and the pacific theatre could be a nice change, if you have the pc to run it then why not. due to my pc being used by my whole family, i'll have to alternate which one is installed, however i am rather excited about sh4's release. it looks aewsome for eye candy gamers like myself (i like realism, but not a totaly realism based game)
bring it on!! :rock:

[Nippelspanner]

I wont buy SHIV, I am too much a "Grauer Wolf", to command a US sub...

[melnibonian]

SH3+GWX=One heck of a game that will never, never die. :up:
Oh it will die when GWXXX comes out;) :D

[AVGWarhawk]

I think SHIII will stay in the hearts of many; Atlantic seas are much more intense (in my opinion!) when you know you have no way out...(if you like inevitability...I sure do!)


Plus the seas in the atlantic are much more centralized...and more enjoyable....and colder.

Muahaha

True:o...I'm going to spend the rest of my life trying to win the u-boat war via SH3:up: I'm changing history boys:D

[STEED]

SH3+GWX=One heck of a game that will never, never die. :up:
Oh it will die when GWXXX comes out;) :D

WHEN?

[melnibonian]

SH3+GWX=One heck of a game that will never, never die. :up:
Oh it will die when GWXXX comes out;) :D

WHEN?
I've no idea mate but if people keep playing the game after SHIV is out, who knows;) I'm sure the devs will be more than happy to keep supporting it if people are behind them:yep:

[Jimbuna]

April 1st 2007 :arrgh!:

[STEED]

April 1st 2007 :arrgh!:

:lol: :rotfl: :lol:

[Rykaird]

SHIII is the most immersive sim I've ever played (I was up to 3am last night, sending Tommy a love note written on the side of a torpedo, while listening to German drinking music from the 40's on the gramophone). But I do find that graphics help with immersion, so that's the single biggest draw for SHIV for me. But I have my doubts.

The thing I love most about SHIII/GWX isn't the act of plotting on the nav table or lining up torpedo shots - it's that I am a U-Boat Kapitan-Lieutenant. I know the "happy days" of 1939/1940 are over. I know my side is going to lose the war. I know I'm almost certain to die. I know my country is led by madmen. But it's still my country, and it's still my duty. It's a hard life and a short one, but there's a beautiful, noble, doomed poetry about it.

I don't get any sense of that fighting on the US side, where I have every confidence we'll win, that our cause is just, our leaders are good folks, and that I have some hope I'll make it out alive. As a US Navy skipper, I'm merely trying to be excellent at what amounts to a job. It just seems kind of, well, ordinary.

We'll see. I'm going to give it a shot, because it looks so pretty.

[Iron Budokan]

SHIII is the most immersive sim I've ever played (I was up to 3am last night, sending Tommy a love note written on the side of a torpedo, while listening to German drinking music from the 40's on the gramophone). But I do find that graphics help with immersion, so that's the single biggest draw for SHIV for me. But I have my doubts.

The thing I love most about SHIII/GWX isn't the act of plotting on the nav table or lining up torpedo shots - it's that I am a U-Boat Kapitan-Lieutenant. I know the "happy days" of 1939/1940 are over. I know my side is going to lose the war. I know I'm almost certain to die. I know my country is led by madmen. But it's still my country, and it's still my duty. It's a hard life and a short one, but there's a beautiful, noble, doomed poetry about it.

I don't get any sense of that fighting on the US side, where I have every confidence we'll win, that our cause is just, our leaders are good folks, and that I have some hope I'll make it out alive. As a US Navy skipper, I'm merely trying to be excellent at what amounts to a job. It just seems kind of, well, ordinary.

We'll see. I'm going to give it a shot, because it looks so pretty.

I agree the mystique surrounding the u-boats far outstrips the more prosaic American counterparts in the Pacific. Having said that (and not wishing to take anything away from the brave men who died on both sides) I will still buy SH4 when it comes out.

But I see myself returning again and again to SH3 in the future....

[Jimbuna]

SHIII is the most immersive sim I've ever played (I was up to 3am last night, sending Tommy a love note written on the side of a torpedo, while listening to German drinking music from the 40's on the gramophone). But I do find that graphics help with immersion, so that's the single biggest draw for SHIV for me. But I have my doubts.

The thing I love most about SHIII/GWX isn't the act of plotting on the nav table or lining up torpedo shots - it's that I am a U-Boat Kapitan-Lieutenant. I know the "happy days" of 1939/1940 are over. I know my side is going to lose the war. I know I'm almost certain to die. I know my country is led by madmen. But it's still my country, and it's still my duty. It's a hard life and a short one, but there's a beautiful, noble, doomed poetry about it.

I don't get any sense of that fighting on the US side, where I have every confidence we'll win, that our cause is just, our leaders are good folks, and that I have some hope I'll make it out alive. As a US Navy skipper, I'm merely trying to be excellent at what amounts to a job. It just seems kind of, well, ordinary.

We'll see. I'm going to give it a shot, because it looks so pretty.

I agree the mystique surrounding the u-boats far outstrips the more prosaic American counterparts in the Pacific. Having said that (and not wishing to take anything away from the brave men who died on both sides) I will still buy SH4 when it comes out.

But I see myself returning again and again to SH3 in the future....

very well put kaleun :arrgh!: :up:

[CaptainAsh]

It s also a matter of game style...
The main purpose of SHIII is to hunt merchant, expecialy in convoy and to avoid being bashed my the big watching dog :)
If I m correct SHIV will be a lot more like subs against warship on battle field... it s not the same atmosphere at all...

[Jimbuna]

To put it in one of many ways:

The U-boats never sank more than approx. 3% of the available Allied merchant tonnage :yep:

The US nigh on sank all (80%+) of the Japanese available merchant tonnage :yep:

[CaptainAsh]

So I am wrong :hmm:

[AVGWarhawk]

So I am wrong :hmm:

Not really, I believe there will be assignments in your career. Pick up pilots in the ocean. Drop off commandos, etc. I think you orders will be more than just an assigned grid like SH3.

[thefretmaster]

So I am wrong :hmm:

Not really, I believe there will be assignments in your career. Pick up pilots in the ocean. Drop off commandos, etc. I think you orders will be more than just an assigned grid like SH3.

i think this alone will draw some players in, i think some people are put off of these games if they are looking for missions and that, when the campaign could be a tad more exciting (i like the patrolls but feel they can drag on a bit i like the action!) i think these randomly scripted "mini missions" will add a lot to the game, and will add some emersion, i think you will feel that you are actually fighting for somthing

[Rykaird]

So I am wrong :hmm:

Not really, I believe there will be assignments in your career. Pick up pilots in the ocean. Drop off commandos, etc. I think you orders will be more than just an assigned grid like SH3.

The dropping off of commandos on a Japanese island sounds just like the movie "Up Periscope." Good book too. That would be fun.

[High Voltage]

The Pacific campaign was also interesting for subs because there were a lot more areas of clear, shallow water, that really tested the crew's ability to approach land safely without being detected...
I look forward to seeing what surprises they'll throw our way.

BTW, just heard on the news yesterday that UBI is looking to hire another 1500 people in the next year. SH5 should be ready by August, no?:up:

[corvette k225]

For me the North Atlantic is the best, and besides playing the US side will not sale
world wide as many SHIV, you see the folks across the pond I think will enjoy the
North Atlantic side better because. It always has a little history there, I think the
sales for Silent Hunter IV, will not be a great as Silent Hunter III, (world wide):-? :-?

[Ducimus]

I honestly think that the major reason alot of people outside of the US wont get into SH4, is simply because it deals with American's.

[flintlock]

I think the sales for Silent Hunter IV, will not be a great as Silent Hunter III, (world wide) It's all speculation at this stage, but based on the improvements and enhancements made to SH4 over it's predecesor, I believe the sales will be stronger. Hopefully Ubisoft will have a more aggresive marketing campaign this time around. In the end, if the sales are strong, we all win as it bodes well for the continuation and growth of this wonderful franchise.

[flintlock]

I honestly think that the major reason alot of people outside of the US wont get into SH4, is simply because it deals with American's.I don't think that's necessarily true. With some American Civil War strategy games, I'm always surprised to read how many people from around the world enjoy them, yet initially know little or nothing of the ACW. Plus, the bottom line is that SH4 looks to be an amazing sub sim, so on that merit alone it will likely attract a broad geographical base of fans.

[TarJak]

I'll be getting SH4 but probably after it gets a suite of mods that make it possible to run u-boat ops in the Atlantic and the Med rather than stock. Until then SHIII all the way.:yep:

[Ducimus]

I honestly think that the major reason alot of people outside of the US wont get into SH4, is simply because it deals with American's.I don't think that's necessarily true. With some American Civil War strategy games, I'm always surprised to read how many people from around the world enjoy them, yet initially know little or nothing of the ACW. Plus, the bottom line is that SH4 looks to be an amazing sub sim, so on that merit alone it will likely attract a broad geographical base of fans.

I admit that everytime i visit the general forum, i walk away in a sour mood, and it reflects. :roll:

[Eagle Eye]

I've only been paying a little over a month so it'll be awhile before I try SH4.

I'll eventually get into it though. First sub game I ever played was Silent Service 2 which is in the Pacific.

[flintlock]

I admit that everytime i visit the general forum, i walk away in a sour mood, and it reflects. General discussion forums on most sites can get many folks worked up. I'm pretty selective in what threads I'll particpate in as I have no desire to engage in a heated circular debate over the internet, even if I'm itching to post. It just isn't worth it sometimes. That said, subsim is pretty tame compared to some other open discussion forums out there. But I'm sure you already know that. ;)

Now a little more on topic: SH3 really seems to have a dedicated fanbase, so even if SH4 delivers in spades, I suspect SH3 will be alive and kicking for a long time to come (at least utill Ubi or another publisher takes us back to the Atlantic).

[DivingDuck]

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Regards,
DD

[melnibonian]

I honestly think that the major reason alot of people outside of the US wont get into SH4, is simply because it deals with American's.
I don't think gamers mix politics with their games (well most of them at least). In my opinion the reasons why people are not so interested in the Pacific War (hence SH4) are:
1. Most of the world have been involved in one way or another with WWII, and almost everyone was involved in the European/African Theater of Operations. That means that the Atlantic War is closer to most coutries than the Pacific War. Also for Americans (if I'm not terribly wrong) the definition of WWII is the fight againt Japan (mainly at least) so the European and Atlantic theaters are second priority.
2. In the Atlantic U-Boats sunk a huge amount of tonnage and the war raged constantly for 4-5 years (in 1945 there was almost no Ubootwaffe and Germany left) and this has a particular effect to people (call it romantic if you want). In the Pacific the sheer volume of US Power was so overwhelming that Japan was virtually defeted in a few months (Mid-End 1942) and there was almost no real (Atlantic style I mean) submarine war. When you talk about the Pacific I think of Aircraft Carriers and Air-Sea Battles.

[Corsair]

I'll second that. The games I have enjoyed most about the Pacific (either board games or PC games) were the ones about aircraft carrier operations.
I don't plan to buy SH4 for the time being because I still have a lot to do with SH3 and also because I would need to change my hardware, which is planned for much later.

[vodkavera]

I´m looking forward to SHIV.

I started my career in the pacific with Silent Service I & II on the C64 and later on Amiga.

When I got the first PC in 95-96 i bought Silent Hunter.
God how I loved that game!!

Didn´t play SH II that much. Did infact think it was rather bad and I missed the warm waters of the Pacific...:D

But I must say that SH III with GWX is one of the best games I´ve played and I think that
SH IV will rock.
It will be fun again to sink the japs and I think that the japs
will get a hard time with all of the experienced "Kaleuns" from the Atlantic coming over to the Pacific......

Put your shades :sunny: on in march! Pacific here WE come!!!!

/VV

[Kumando]

As it was said in other threads if Sh4 turns out to be historically accurate it will be boring, if not will be unralistic, but i will give it a try.

[hyperion2206]

As a German I'm just sick and tired of commanding U-Boats, it's always the same old story: At the beginning you're the king of the seas and then you're hunted like mad.:shifty: I guess because I don't know as much of the Pacific theatre as I know of the Atlantic I'm looking forward to SH4. And to pi** you off: Gato's and Balao's look way better than the IX boats.:p

*runs for cover*:rotfl:

[Nikita]

My computer prefers the cold waters of Atlantic :damn:

[Morts]

mmm
im gonna miss the freezing water, the huge-gantic (own word:rotfl: ) waves
and the awefull weather:arrgh!:

[Konovalov]

Definately both SHIII and SHIV will have a place on my hard drive. I cannot see myself not playing SHIII due to the GWX mod. It is that simple. I will probably alternate between the two in all honesty. When I get a little tired of one I will swap to the other for a while and vice-versa.

[Tijn]

I will try Sh4 because of the new graphics and my interest in sub, but other than that i find the pacific theater not very interesting.

The best would be: Sh3 GWX with graphics from Sh4. :yep:


I wonder wich theater is more populair. Pacific or Atlantic.

Grtz Tijn

[stabiz]

The best would be: Sh3 GWX with graphics from Sh4. :yep:


That is my dream too, and add a few special ops, like mine-laying or dropping off saboteurs over in the States.

My god! Imagine what my VIIc would look like with SHIV graphics!

[Morts]

pff...VII
imagine the IX:arrgh!:
haha

[Sailor Steve]

The best would be: Sh3 GWX with graphics from Sh4. :yep:


That is my dream too, and add a few special ops, like mine-laying or dropping off saboteurs over in the States.

My god! Imagine what my VIIc would look like with SHIV graphics!
I could live with that. Of course I'd still want to add a few preferred tweaks. I'm hoping that UBI will offer a retrofitted SH3.5 soon. I'll still play both, though.

[mookiemookie]

The best would be: Sh3 GWX with graphics from Sh4. :yep:


That is my dream too, and add a few special ops, like mine-laying or dropping off saboteurs over in the States.

My god! Imagine what my VIIc would look like with SHIV graphics!
I could live with that. Of course I'd still want to add a few preferred tweaks. I'm hoping that UBI will offer a retrofitted SH3.5 soon. I'll still play both, though.

Real wolfpacks, milkcows and special missions...oh my! :up:

[CWorth]

Well SH3 has already seemed to meet its end on my HD.

I will not be getting SH4 until I see what bugs/flaws the brainiacs at Ubi leave in the game and then see what they decide to fix and not fix.Then I will get it.

At the moment the Silent Hunters have been replaced with World of Warcraft.

[flintlock]

World of Warcraft.
Been down that road before. And I used to think I was addicted to my morning coffee.

;)

[Jimbuna]

World of Warcraft.
Been down that road before. And I used to think I was addicted to my morning coffee.

;)

I was too frightened to sleep at night!....now I'm too frightened to go in the bath :lol:

[hyperion2206]

World of Warcraft. Been down that road before. And I used to think I was addicted to my morning coffee.

;)
I was too frightened to sleep at night!....now I'm too frightened to go in the bath :lol:

The fear of looking in the mirror? Been there, done that.:p:rotfl:

[Ducimus]

World of Warcraft.
Been down that road before. And I used to think I was addicted to my morning coffee.

;)

Ditto. I just cancled by subscription last week. Lvl 57 hunter, and well, it gets boring, same ole stuff, different MMO - and ive played ALOT of MMO's. I just never talk about it here.

[flintlock]

I just cancled by subscription last week. Lvl 57 hunter, and well, it gets boring, same ole stuff I remember when I checked my total game time, I almost fell off my chair! That was my last month playing and that was a while ago. Although the camaradarie was great, the constant raiding demanded by guilds was a bit much after a while. Not a whole lot else to do in the endgame though, PvP or otherwise. And while BC looks pretty good, I'm stayin' away.

[f16falcon]

Im sure it will be great, but prefer atlantic to pacific. So SH3 for me, unless it can be combined.