question for experienced IX Kaleuns

[firepower41]

I've got the renown saved that I can go to an IX Uboot, and it seems like with the increased speed and loadout there are only advantages to going to a type IX. Are there any drawbacks?

[_Seth_]

Hi mate! it has longer diving times,and are a bit more sluggish that the smaller VII boats.. But the long range & loadout compensates for that!

[Iron Budokan]

The Type IX dives like an old man with arthritis settling into a tub of cold jello. Other than that....

[Finback]

If you haven't done it yet try it for sure. What's the worst that could happen?

:hmm:

[Ducimus]

Cons:
Slower dive time.
Slightly less manuverable underwater.
Slighly less underwater endurance.

Pros:
Faster surface speed
More torpedo load
Greater range allowing you to reach distant places. (some of which can be quite lucrative)


Uses:
The type 9 was designed primarly as a solitary hunter operating in remote waters. It is not a boat meant to use in wolfpack operations (IE, North atlantic). Its greatest assets are being able to reach distant waters and be able to operate there for a reasonable length of time.

[Myxale]

The Type IX dives like an old man with arthritis settling into a tub of cold jello. Other than that....

:o

Umm...thats a way of puttin' it I guess!

:rotfl:

[TriskettheKid]

Another drawback, and a huge one for me, is that the IX makes it incredibly difficult to raid ports, just like the XXI.

And since GWX has some amazingly lucrative ports, this is a major con for me.

[Brag]

After 8 profitable patrols in a VIIB, got killed on 3rd patrol in a IXB :nope:
Still, got a new life, again in a IXB. Some people never learn :88)

And yeah, the IX boats settle like warm goulash on a lazy afternoon.

[Ducimus]

Another drawback, and a huge one for me, is that the IX makes it incredibly difficult to raid ports, just like the XXI.


Hogwash.

http://www.ducimus.net/sh3/u-196/p1-9.jpg
That's Durban harbor with a liner the the background in that picture BTW. Go find that on the map, your not gonna get there in a type7.

Seriously, while the type 9 turns slower then a type7 underwater, its NOWHERE near as bad as a type21.

[AVGWarhawk]

The IX is wonderful. Long patrols. Plenty of torps. I did not like it at first but after you keep finding more torpedos to load stuck in her bilge and ships are sinking around you one after the other, you love it!

[andy_311]

Another drawback, and a huge one for me, is that the IX makes it incredibly difficult to raid ports, just like the XXI.

And since GWX has some amazingly lucrative ports, this is a major con for me.

I never had problems,I personally think it's ideal for harbour raids.

[firepower41]

Is it possible to raid harbors in unmodded SH3?

[melnibonian]

Is it possible to raid harbors in unmodded SH3?
Nope. Almost every harbour is empty. I think NY might have some ships but I don't really remember.

[firepower41]

Is it possible to raid harbors in unmodded SH3? Nope. Almost every harbour is empty. I think NY might have some ships but I don't really remember.
As a minor historical point of interest, isn't the problem with sinking them in harbor that they can be raised and eventually repaired? How does that fit into Doenitzes tonnagewar? Should one prefer to sink them outside the harbor where they cannot be dredged, or do the enemy use more resources raising the hull etc. from the harbor than they would fabricating the ship from new parts?

I honestly don't know enough about shipbuilding etc. in those days for an answer, but I do know some sunken BBs from Pearl Harbor were raised to fight, as well as the Graf Zeppelin aircraft carrier, which the Soviets raised and refloated in 1946.

[melnibonian]

I'm not an expert but I think it's all about money and time. If a ship has received so much damage that will cost a fortune to raise it and a huge amount of time to fix it, then there is no point really. You just raise it (to unblock the harbour), you scrap it and use the metal to make a new one.

[Hartmann]

Cons:
Slower dive time.
Slightly less manuverable underwater.
Slighly less underwater endurance.

Pros:
Faster surface speed
More torpedo load
Greater range allowing you to reach distant places. (some of which can be quite lucrative)


Uses:
The type 9 was designed primarly as a solitary hunter operating in remote waters. It is not a boat meant to use in wolfpack operations (IE, North atlantic). Its greatest assets are being able to reach distant waters and be able to operate there for a reasonable length of time.

yes true :yep: .

ixB has only slight performance differences compared with VII boats.

it´s not very suitable for port raids but historically not was a very frequent operation.

[Jimbuna]

I've got the renown saved that I can go to an IX Uboot, and it seems like with the increased speed and loadout there are only advantages to going to a type IX. Are there any drawbacks?

Just the one :yep: ......a helluva long time awarding the medals at the end of the patrol :up:

[melnibonian]

Just the one :yep: ......a helluva long time awarding the medals at the end of the patrol :up:

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[Woof1701]

[Uses:
The type 9 was designed primarly as a solitary hunter operating in remote waters. It is not a boat meant to use in wolfpack operations (IE, North atlantic). Its greatest assets are being able to reach distant waters and be able to operate there for a reasonable length of time.


Well actually the Typ IX was also designed to serve as a mobile headquarter to organise and direct wolfpacks. Since it was found out very quickly (mid 1940) that the system just didn't work it was abandoned and the Typ IX boats with longer ranges wee introduced to work long range on their own.
Wolfpack coordination was then done from shore.

[STEED]

IX RULES THE SEAS. :rock:

[Mush Martin]

Its a little bit obscure but according to Janes

they record the type IXB to have been the

Most succesful UBoat design in ww2

MM

[GT182]

The Type IX dives like an old man with arthritis settling into a tub of cold jello. Other than that....

Easy IB, don't talk about us old Kaptains like that. Some of us might be old and have arthritis, but we can get the job done. ;) It's CRS that causes us grief. LOL

You don't have to run long patrols to the Americas if you don't want to. USe SHIII Cmdr to change your patrol grid to what you want when you start a new patrol. Keeps you from spending long days and nights at sea having to listen to the crew cry over not seeing anything to sink. Tho someplace far off to the west is a good place to throw Bernard overboard. Let the enemy deal with him. :)

Edit:
Now I know I'm old around here... 1000 posts. :roll:
But not as old as some younger than I. LOL

[STEED]

Its a little bit obscure but according to Janes

they record the type IXB to have been the

Most succesful UBoat design in ww2

MM

Cool :|\\

[Konovalov]

Another drawback, and a huge one for me, is that the IX makes it incredibly difficult to raid ports, just like the XXI.


Hogwash.

http://www.ducimus.net/sh3/u-196/p1-9.jpg
That's Durban harbor with a liner the the background in that picture BTW. Go find that on the map, your not gonna get there in a type7.

Seriously, while the type 9 turns slower then a type7 underwater, its NOWHERE near as bad as a type21.

I agree. I fell in love with the IX having driven nothing but the type II and VII for years. I have been down the West coast of Africa but so far have not reached Durban. I will have to take a looksie now in light of the above screenshot. :hmm:

[Oilsmoke]

Longyearby was a Fun Harbor raid Sunk 4, one trop each & suface with Deck gun to finish them off, late spring of 1940. Freetown was a Blast to had 2 Destroyer come looking for me and they got Stuck in there own Nets. After my nerves claimed Down i sunk t3 in the dock and PL on the sea wall. left that port with 70,000 tons.
I did a NewYork raid before the dec 1941 and Sunk a British P.L. up the west side river. left on the surface too.
IX is a Great _U-boat, Next patrol i should be in a C version. Few more torps can't hurt.

[Hartmann]

Also is a good boat for people interested in SH4 , very similar in size to us boats like gato and balao:hmm:

[Corsair]

Sinking non moving ships in harbours is no sport...:D

[Ducimus]

Also is a good boat for people interested in SH4 , very similar in size to us boats like gato and balao:hmm:

IXD2 is similiar to a gato, albiet a tad, (i mean by just a meter or three) smaller. And has very similar nonclamature in peformance and armarment. (excepting the Gato has 4 tubes aft and 6 tubes bow as opposed to 2/4 in the IXD2)

an IXB or IXC is acutally smaller then a gato.

[Hartmann]

i though it was a similar size.. :88) it means that U.S used a very large boats

[Ducimus]

Here's a spec comparision i did awhile ago.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=259434&postcount=1

Very similar.

[Puster Bill]

Is it possible to raid harbors in unmodded SH3? Nope. Almost every harbour is empty. I think NY might have some ships but I don't really remember.
As a minor historical point of interest, isn't the problem with sinking them in harbor that they can be raised and eventually repaired? How does that fit into Doenitzes tonnagewar? Should one prefer to sink them outside the harbor where they cannot be dredged, or do the enemy use more resources raising the hull etc. from the harbor than they would fabricating the ship from new parts?

I honestly don't know enough about shipbuilding etc. in those days for an answer, but I do know some sunken BBs from Pearl Harbor were raised to fight, as well as the Graf Zeppelin aircraft carrier, which the Soviets raised and refloated in 1946.

In a certain sense, every resource used in fixing up a ship that was damaged/sunk in a harbor isn't available for other uses (like building more ships). Also, some ships just aren't worth salvaging. If you break a ship in two, as opposed to just putting a hole in it, you aren't going to be able to put her back together (I suppose it is *POSSIBLE*, but I would bet the expense isn't worth it). Also, some ships are just too old to justify the expense, even in wartime when the enemy is desperate for hulls.

Think of it this way: If you sink a ship in a harbor, that is X number of tons of cargo that isn't going to be shipped to it's destination for the amount of time that ship is being repaired, which generally runs into months. In addition, if the ship was laden with cargo at the time you sank it, that cargo might be ruined (ie., if it was foodstuffs, textiles, gunpowder, gasoline/oil, etc.). So it can be worth it to sink them in the harbor, especially if you haven't had much luck elsewhere.

I figure that sinking a ship that will likely be raised and put back into service is like sinking half a ship. It isn't as good as putting one down 'over 1,000 meters', but it is better than not sinking one at all.

[Jimbuna]

Here's a spec comparision i did awhile ago.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=259434&postcount=1

Very similar.

Very handy Ducimus danke :up: