The Pentagon attack on 9/11

[elite_hunter_sh3]

has anyone ever seen the pictures of the pentagon attack on 9/11 ??

http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/flash.htm

[elite_hunter_sh3]

"On September 17, 2001, the Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haaretz) reported that four hours after the attack the FBI arrested five Israelis who had been filming the smoking skyline from the roof of their company's building for "puzzling behavior". The Israelis were said to have been videotaping the disaster with cries of joy and mockery. On June 21, 2002, ABC reported that the FBI has not reached a consensus on whether they were Israeli intelligence operatives but concluded they had no advance knowledge of the September 11 attacks. The five were released and deported to Israel on November 20-21, 2001."

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[elite_hunter_sh3]

its pretty obvious as to whos behind 9/11. and no im not from serbia, technically me and GakunGak are from montenegro who recently split off from serbia, i was pissed as to why the split and i believe that yugoslavia should have stayed together, united as one they are a strong power.

[Mush Martin]

it sums up all the bits in one place
MM

[elite_hunter_sh3]

and this, http://www.serendipity.li/zionism.htm

[DanCanovas]

so where did that flight go if not into the pentagon? it would be impossible to cover up any sort of conspiracy

[elite_hunter_sh3]

its pretty clear they did cover it up , they invented a fake flight or they diverted the plane, i mean how can a huge airliner weighing over 80 tons cause a small hole like that, where the wings, engines, i mean the engines lol they are so heavy they should have torn down the entire 3 outer rings on wedge 1.

[Gizzmoe]

elite_hunter, could you please, PLEAAAAASE, try to stay on-topic??? First you post about Israel/Palestine in the Serbia thread, then you write about 9/11 in the Israel/Palestine thread and now about Serbia and also Zionism in the 9/11 thread. I really don´t like the additional, unnecessary work your carelessness causes.

[August]

has anyone ever seen the pictures of the pentagon attack on 9/11 ??
Better. I know people who were there and saw it happen with their own eyes. I know people who lost family members and friends there. Please don't tell me what happened in my own country because you either don't know what happened or deliberately choose to believe lies in the theory that throwing mud on other countries makes yours look better by comparison.

[Mush Martin]

has anyone ever seen the pictures of the pentagon attack on 9/11 ??
Better. I know people who were there and saw it happen with their own eyes. I know people who lost family members and friends there. Please don't tell me what happened in my own country because you either don't know what happened or deliberately choose to believe lies in the theory that throwing mud on other countries makes yours look better by comparison.

wasnt the film made by an american what makes you think its us.
MM

[Mush Martin]

I feel the simulacrum demon discredits it though
MM

[elite_hunter_sh3]

has anyone ever seen the pictures of the pentagon attack on 9/11 ??
Better. I know people who were there and saw it happen with their own eyes. I know people who lost family members and friends there. Please don't tell me what happened in my own country because you either don't know what happened or deliberately choose to believe lies in the theory that throwing mud on other countries makes yours look better by comparison.

can u please explain to me where are the wings, the engines, smoldering chassis of a boeing 757?

Gizzmoe: sorry about that ill try to stay on topic:dead:

[elite_hunter_sh3]

and 1 more thing gizzmoe technically the zionism thread is related to 9/11 because of how bin laden was used as an excuse to bomb iraq and attempt to over run middle east.

[Torplexed]

AA77 was hijacked sometime between 8:51 AM (when the last routine radio communication from the plane was received) and 8:54 AM (when the radar transponder was turned off). The Pentagon was hit at 9:37 AM.

That gives the eevil gummint conspirators a maximum of 46 minutes to land flight 77 somewhere secret, remove the passengers, kill them, fake the effects of a high-speed crash on the bodies, load the bodies onto another plane, fly to Washington, transfer the bodies to road vehicles, drive them to the Pentagon and then plant them, along with the FDR and engines, landing gear and other debris, in locations consistent with the damage done to the building, at a disaster scene swarming with people, none of whom noticed this activity going on.

One of the things to remember is the unusual construction of the support columns in the building. Orginally the building was only going to house the military for the duration of WW2 then be turned into a records repository afterwards.

As such the building was constructed to take the enormous weight of thousands of full filling cabinets.

The other thing to remember when looking at photos. There are no actual images of the hole. When the impact occured the area was obscured by fire smoke etc. A little later a section of the second floor collapsed into the breach. So what you see after the event is nothing like the orginal damage

[The Avon Lady]

has anyone ever seen the pictures of the pentagon attack on 9/11 ??
The joke is the pictures they don't show. Some of them you'll find in popular Mechanics' famed article Debunking The 9/11 Myths (http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=1). Also have a look at the engineering links here (http://www.icivilengineer.com/News/WTC/pentagon.php) and here (+photos) (http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/q0265.shtml) and here (http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/q0274.shtml) and here (more photos) (http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/q0290.shtml). There's so much more showing what kind of grabage you've been chewing on. We discussed this here on a thread about a year ago. Just plain pathetic already. Just like the rabid nonsense you posted about the history of Israel.

Pardon the language but it takes a special kind of..................... (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7501020220921158523&q=penn+teller+911) :roll:

[elite_hunter_sh3]

what if it was never hijacked?? what if the news story was fed by the FBI??

i also found some more disturbing pictures of 9/11 at the world trade center
very sad

http://planetquo.net/911/Woman/woman2.jpg

"The Woman at the Edge of the Abyss"

LINK TO A VERY IMPORTANT VIDEO
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6708190071483512003&hl=en-GB

edit* does this look like a boeing 757
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAaP4Z3zls8

[fatty]

If you are convinced there really was no plane wreckage, go watch that video of the F4 Phantom crashing into a concrete wall that would be used in a nuclear power plant. The plane literally turns into a fine mist on impact.

I can only imagine that the HEADQUARTERS of the UNITED STATES MILITARY would be fortified in a comparable manner, and that a plane smashing into it piloted by SUICIDAL TERRORISTS would be going fast enough to leave little distinguishable wreckage behind.

[Enigma]

Oh for christs sake.....:damn:

[Kapitan_Phillips]

Can you please explain to me what the point of this thread is? All it's doing is upsetting people.

[fredbass]

This is about as dumb as those people saying the holocaust wasn't real. :damn: :doh:

[Letum]

After looking at all these theories and counter theories I personally find that the most widely held view of the events on 9/11 is the most likely.
However, it is good that other ideas are explored. Looking for truth is a noble pursuit, even if you get it as wrong as these guys have.

[The Avon Lady]

Looking for truth is a noble pursuit, even if you get it as wrong as these guys have.
Gibberish. These people are looking for excuses.

[Torplexed]

what if it was never hijacked?? what if the news story was fed by the FBI??
How do you fake the dead bodies of Fight 77 passengers who were recovered at the scene? Unless their relatives are in on the conspiracy. The lack of thought put in this by the conspiracy theory crowd boggles the mind. Everything is explained by rumours, cover-ups and cover story. That just doesn't wash.

[TteFAboB]

Looking for truth is a noble pursuit, even if you get it as wrong as these guys have.
Gibberish. These people are looking for excuses.

I agree.

Letum these people are doing anything but looking for the truth.

[Enigma]

It's more like ignoring the obvious truth, and collecting convienient "facts" to "support" this tin foil hat theory.....

Theres a million reasons why these conspiricy theories are stupid, but I just dont see the point in making a case for the obvious....

Oh, and the US government also blew up the dam in New Orleans to kill poor black people. :damn:

Everyone has a right to their opinion, no matter how stupid. However, The one person I know who died on 9/11 was sitting in the Pentagon. I have a hard time listening to people suggest he was killed by his own government by an fbi hijacked plane in which 77 people faked thier death. Frankly, it infuriates me.

[mapuc]

This is about as dumb as those people saying the holocaust wasn't real. :damn: :doh:

?? The holocaust WAS real and so was the attack on WTC. The question is what or who was behind the attack. Was it Al-Queda, was it the US it self or martians who nows.

Markus

[dean_acheson]

What did PT Barnum say?

[fredbass]

This is about as dumb as those people saying the holocaust wasn't real. :damn: :doh:

?? The holocaust WAS real and so was the attack on WTC.

You misunderstood my post.

[The Avon Lady]

What did PT Barnum say?
Nothing for certain (http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/P._T._Barnum), that's for sure! :p

[mapuc]

This is about as dumb as those people saying the holocaust wasn't real. :damn: :doh:

?? The holocaust WAS real and so was the attack on WTC.

You misunderstood my post.

Ohh I'm so sorry

Markus

[mapuc]

What did PT Barnum say?
Nothing for certain (http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/P._T._Barnum), that's for sure! :p

Well PT Barnum or not, who's the idiot? Those who takes everything they hear to be the unspeakeable truth or those who see it throug critical eyes?

Markus

[mapuc]

Have some questions

1 If there has been "placed" explosive inside the two towers, when has this been done? if so, I presume it has been done after the intelligence had got evidence that an attack on WTC was on it's way

2 Why haven't we heard any critical voices, from the expert in constructing about this??

Markus

[Torplexed]

I'd like to know how it was done too. Truckloads of demolition charges somehow planted in the WTC buildings, dozens of mysterious workers, going in and out of the building, night after night. Security at the building doesn't catch them, Port Authority Police don't catch them, random eyewitnesses who stumble across the operation and call the cops don't catch them, maintenance workers who stumble across wet paint and repaired walls and bits of strange wire don't catch them, security cameras don't catch them. Dogs brought in to sniff for bombs (a standard procedure after the 1993 attack) don't catch them. Sets the gold standard for covert ops I would think. :roll:

[mapuc]

I'd like to know how it was done too. Truckloads of demolition charges somehow planted in the WTC buildings, dozens of mysterious workers, going in and out of the building, night after night. Security at the building doesn't catch them, Port Authority Police don't catch them, random eyewitnesses who stumble across the operation and call the cops don't catch them, maintenance workers who stumble across wet paint and repaired walls and bits of strange wire don't catch them, security cameras don't catch them. Dogs brought in to sniff for bombs (a standard procedure after the 1993 attack) don't catch them. Sets the gold standard for covert ops I would think. :roll:


here's another question

HOW could both towers fall so "perfectly"? That is a question I have been asking my self several times.

Markus

[Torplexed]

The buildings fell down the way gravity meant them too. But because it looks like the way a building comes down in a controlled demolition people are jumping to the conclusion it was one.....while still side-stepping the question of how two of the largest buildings in the world were rigged to blow without no one noticing or blowing the whistle.

The real trick is how to get all those explosives up there, wire up the building for demolition, and then have all your explosives and wiring go completely undamaged from the impact of the planes so you can successfully bring down the towers by demolition.

Getting the beams around the perimeter to visibly sag inwards on the floors impacted would be pretty impressive too.

[Fish]

Oh for christs sake.....:damn:

Not again!!! :damn:

[Fish]

has anyone ever seen the pictures of the pentagon attack on 9/11 ??

We have gone through this years ago. I give you one side with eyewitness about the plane crash in the Pentagon.

http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/flash.htm

[TteFAboB]

here's another question

HOW could both towers fall so "perfectly"? That is a question I have been asking my self several times.

Markus

They only look perfect because it is seen from a long distance. When you look at something from far away you miss out on all the details. You also haven't exactly seen everything, the smoke covered a great part of what was happening. And there was nobody filming it from the top-down perspective.

This looks like anything but "perfect": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:World_Trade_Center_Site_After_9-11_Attacks_With_Original_Building_Locations.jpg;ht tp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:September_17_2001_Ground_Zero_02.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:World_Trade_Center_Site_After_9-11_Attacks_With_Original_Building_Locations.jpg;ht tp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:September_17_2001_Ground_Zero_02.jpg);
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:September_17_2001.jpg;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:WTC1.jpg

If you push a building to the side, it will collapse to the side. If you pull it, it will collapse sideways too. If you press it from the top it will collapse in itself straight down. This behavior can be reproduced at lab or at home if you had the patience to build a model. An example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKxoC4_T-GA

Have you looked at Earthquakes? There are buildings that collapse "perfectly" on top of the lowest floors. The 1st and 2nd floors of a 10 story building get completely crushed while the 3rd, 4th, 5th and above remain "perfectly" fine and the people can evacuate it normally through the stairs with only a few cracks here and there.

People made their own WTC towers in Pontifex and when you remove the pillars from the top floors the remaining structures break with the weight of the highest floors which in turn collapses on top of the lower floors in sequence untill it's all on the ground. If I, a simpleton without an engineering or physics degree, can simulate this behavior in a bridge building game, proving the abnormality of the behavior would be even easier for the experts with real computers and real models.

Of course, there is a small detail: everybody is on the CIA's payroll. Pontifex's creators and myself included. Mwahaha.

[nelson1985]

TerrorStorm

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=786048453686176230

America Freedom to Fascism

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4312730277175242198&q=from+freedom+to&hl=en

[nelson1985]

just read operation northwoods if you dont think the US is bad.

[nelson1985]

now lets look at Building 7

Where Was Building 7?



Building 7 had a World Trade Center address but:
Was on different block from the other 6 WTC buildings.
Was of a different age and architecture than the WTC.
Was 300' from the nearest tower.Building 7 was the only building outside the WTC complex to collapse.
Building 7 was farther from the Towers than the Banker's Trust Building.


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[nelson1985]

Fireman: "boom-boom-boom-boom" at WTC


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEuDeU4IZjE


Explosions - video clip from day of 9/11: reporters and other eyewitnesses http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOGGC0DfX5Q



911 Bomb Montage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9Wrnj8IBOI

[nelson1985]

9/11 Flight 93 Rare Footage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZekosYOmXc

[Subnuts]

Wow, a real life conspiratroll. I suppose every forum has to have one. :roll:

[nelson1985]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P-tDhQVocg

[Torplexed]

Where was Building Seven? Right in the line of fire. Ohh. That's right. This is a secret gubmint Photoshop job.

http://lokishammer.dragon-rider.org/X/Wtc7_collapse_damage.jpg

Same tired theories. Same tired video links. Same tired quotes in a bold typeface. :roll:

However...view them if you wish. It's up to everyone to make up their own mind.

[nelson1985]

Where was Building Seven? Right in the line of fire. Ohh. That's right. This is a secret gubmint Photoshop job.

http://lokishammer.dragon-rider.org/X/Wtc7_collapse_damage.jpg

Same tired theories. Same tired video links. Same tired quotes in a bold typeface. :roll:

However...view them if you wish. It's up to everyone to make up their own mind. but so was building 5 and 6 and they did not fall down.

[Dowly]

but so was building 5 and 6 and they did not fall down.

That doesnt prove anything. Maybe they were hit by an slightly less amount of debris, maybe the debris didnt damage the other structures so badly, maybe the goverment ran out of bombs, maybe there was a mini-earthquake below WTC 7, what if the other buildings were protected by some invisible force shield that was salvaged from Roswell, maybe Chuck Norris was holding the other buildings together with his 8 extra hands he can grow in two seconds if needed.

So many possibilities... :hmm:

[nelson1985]

but so was building 5 and 6 and they did not fall down.
That doesnt prove anything. Maybe they were hit by an slightly less amount of debris, maybe the debris didnt damage the other structures so badly, maybe the goverment ran out of bombs, maybe there was a mini-earthquake below WTC 7, what if the other buildings were protected by some invisible force shield that was salvaged from Roswell, maybe Chuck Norris was holding the other buildings together with his 8 extra hands he can grow in two seconds if needed.

So many possibilities... :hmm:Maybe they were hit by an slightly less amount of debris? how so? there was right under the towers.

[ASWnut101]

I only hope there is only one conspiratroll.


How can some people belive this stuff?

On the "ultra-rare flight 93 footage" Here:

(maby a tad-bit of ranting here, sorry!:-? )

Flight 93 was a Boeing 757, United Airlines owned and operated. A Boeing 757 carries 11,489 gal (43,490 l) of Kerosene based Jet Fuel (Jet-A). The Aircraft weighs 255,500 lbs (115,680 kg). When a large aircraft such as the 757 impacts the ground, it moves so fast that you will not have a large creater. Why? Have you ever seen a high-speed camera film of an armor-peirceing explosive rocket impacting a tank? The same effect is for a 757, as there is no centerline fuel tank. You have over 40 feet of aluminum tube impacting the ground at 400-550 mph. This is then followed by the wing tanks, which, from the initial impact, would have already either broken free or come very loose, flinging the tanks into the ground at 400-550 miles per hour. The resault: You will not get a very large radial explosion, because the fireball/exlposion was flung into the ground. But even a 400-550 miles per hour explosion of death can't penetrate very deep into the ground before being absorbed. That is a, if not the, very-real reason why the creater is so small.


SOURCE: http://www.boeing.com/commercial/airports/757.htm

[Dowly]

I´m no expert, I´m just saying that it´s possible. ;)

[nelson1985]

I only hope there is only one conspiratroll.


How can some people belive this stuff?

On the "ultra-rare flight 93 footage" Here:

(maby a tad-bit of ranting here, sorry!:-? )

Flight 93 was a Boeing 757, United Airlines owned and operated. A Boeing 757 carries 11,489 gal (43,490 l) of Kerosene based Jet Fuel (Jet-A). The Aircraft weighs 255,500 lbs (115,680 kg). When a large aircraft such as the 757 impacts the ground, it moves so fast that you will not have a large creater. Why? Have you ever seen a high-speed camera film of an armor-peirceing explosive rocket impacting a tank? The same effect is for a 757, as there is no centerline fuel tank. You have over 40 feet of aluminum tube impacting the ground at 400-550 mph. This is then followed by the wing tanks, which, from the initial impact, would have already either broken free or come very loose, flinging the tanks into the ground at 400-550 miles per hour. The resault: You will not get a very large radial explosion, because the fireball/exlposion was flung into the ground. But even a 400-550 miles per hour explosion of death can't penetrate very deep into the ground before being absorbed. That is a, if not the, very-real reason why the creater is so small.source?

[ASWnut101]

look again. happy now?:shifty:

[baggygreen]

When i read rubbish like these conspiracy theories i cant help but laugh! Oh yes everyone, the US Govt was working with the aliens and made a laser beam that they put into a customs jet.. hahaha.

Real people died in these savage, unannounced attacks. By propagating theories stating they were murdered by their govt, and that its all a hoax and a lie, you're showing contempt for the memory of the 3000-odd people.

Do us a favour and think critically before you post. Even better, dont post such emotionally-charged, completely unsubstantiated crap. Same goes for that bloke who joined up just to post more theories about all the lies that we've been told.

[nelson1985]

When i read rubbish like these conspiracy theories i cant help but laugh! Oh yes everyone, the US Govt was working with the aliens and made a laser beam that they put into a customs jet.. hahaha.

Real people died in these savage, unannounced attacks. By propagating theories stating they were murdered by their govt, and that its all a hoax and a lie, you're showing contempt for the memory of the 3000-odd people.

Do us a favour and think critically before you post. Even better, dont post such emotionally-charged, completely unsubstantiated crap. Same goes for that bloke who joined up just to post more theories about all the lies that we've been told.did you read Operation Northwoods? and im sorry if i dont trust my government and news like some of you guys do.

[Chaotic42]

Maybe they were hit by an slightly less amount of debris? how so? there was right under the towers.

Can you account for all of the debris, all of the energy, all of the motion of all of the particles in the attack? If not, then you're just guessing. You have no idea what happened, what forces occurred where, and what hit what. You're just spinning your wheels.

At least your posts are funny. I've got to give you that much.

[nelson1985]

Maybe they were hit by an slightly less amount of debris? how so? there was right under the towers.
Can you account for all of the debris, all of the energy, all of the motion of all of the particles in the attack? If not, then you're just guessing. You have no idea what happened, what forces occurred where, and what hit what. You're just spinning your wheels.

At least your posts are funny. I've got to give you that much.yup its as funny as trying to find weapons of mass destruction in iraq lol.

[GSpector]

http://www.bombs-away.net/forums/images/smilies/soapbox.gif (http://www.bombs-away.net/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=0&forumid=23#)
Okay, I've read this entire thread and I just have 1 question, how was Seth put into the Brig for mentioning having an illegal copy of software yet these 2 can post the most irrelevant piece of trash in a forum dedicated to Sims and mostly about Subs?

I for one, am in favor of kicking both nelson1985 & elite_hunter_sh3 off this forum just for spouting these conspiracies. I do not think they have added 1 bit of fun or education to this site.

From an outsider point of view, if this was the 1st thread I read, I would not return.

I recorded 8 6hr tapes starting the moment these tragedies hit the news. I saw the footage, I heard the comments, I felt the pain and to see someone post that what I saw was a lie, is outrageous at best.

I am a strong believer in the "Freedom of Speech" but that freedom does not give people the right to hurt others with lies. If you wish to educate, then educate with facts especially on topics such as this.

You want to claim the Moon Landing was really filmed in a Hollywood Studio or somewhere in the Nevada Test Range, that's fine. Granted it would hurt those we admire like Neil Armstrong or Buzz Aldrin but no lives were lost.

This should not become a Forum that allows people to recruit others to believing these or any other conspiracies where many lives were lost.

My Grand-Mother escaped to the U.S. to avoid the Holocaust so I am also very offended when I here people claim it never happened. What's the difference. Both happened whether we choose to believe it or not.

If you can't have respect for the dead, at least have respect for the living that that know and accept the truth.

I encourage others look at the posts by these 2 and tell me they add anything positive to this Forum. I did and I see a very disturbing pattern.

[nelson1985]

http://www.bombs-away.net/forums/images/smilies/soapbox.gif (http://www.bombs-away.net/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=0&forumid=23#)
Okay, I've read this entire thread and I just have 1 question, how was Seth put into the Brig for mentioning having an illegal copy of software yet these 2 can post the most irrelevant piece of trash in a forum dedicated to Sims and mostly about Subs?

I for one, am in favor of kicking both nelson1985 & elite_hunter_sh3 off this forum just for spouting these conspiracies. I do not think they have added 1 bit of fun or education to this site.

From an outsider point of view, if this was the 1st thread I read, I would not return.

I recorded 8 6hr tapes starting the moment these tragedies hit the news. I saw the footage, I heard the comments, I felt the pain and to see someone post that what I saw was a lie, is outrageous at best.

I am a strong believer in the "Freedom of Speech" but that freedom does not give people the right to hurt others with lies. If you wish to educate, then educate with facts especially on topics such as this.

You want to claim the Moon Landing was really filmed in a Hollywood Studio or somewhere in the Nevada Test Range, that's fine. Granted it would hurt those we admire like Neil Armstrong or Buzz Aldrin but no lives were lost.

This should not become a Forum that allows people to recruit others to believing these or any other conspiracies where many lives were lost.

My Grand-Mother escaped to the U.S. to avoid the Holocaust so I am also very offended when I here people claim it never happened. What's the difference. Both happened whether we choose to believe it or not.

If you can't have respect for the dead, at least have respect for the living that that know and accept the truth.

I encourage others look at the posts by these 2 and tell me they add anything positive to this Forum. I did and I see a very disturbing pattern.im sorry you feel that way about me. by baning me you are taking my free Speech did you try to verify the things i said? what did i lie about?

[Gizzmoe]

Poll: Who thinks that elite_hunter and Nelson are the same person?

I do... Same writing style, same lack of apostrophs ("dont", im").

[nelson1985]

or what about the cia funding bin laden and training him am i lieing about that to?

[nelson1985]

Poll: Who thinks that elite_hunter and Nelson are the same person?

I do... Same writing style, same lack of apostrophs ("dont", im").lmao thats funny tell the forum mods to look at my ip and elite hunter and you would find its not the same.

[Chaotic42]

Poll: Who thinks that elite_hunter and Nelson are the same person?

I do... Same writing style, same lack of apostrophs ("dont", im").lmao thats funny tell the forum mods to look at my ip and elite hunter and you wuold find its not the same.

How do you know that the moderators aren't in on the 9/11 plot? Maybe this entire forum and everyone in it is an elaborate set up to quiet you down.

Now just go with the nice men to the happy place.

[nelson1985]

Poll: Who thinks that elite_hunter and Nelson are the same person?

I do... Same writing style, same lack of apostrophs ("dont", im").lmao thats funny tell the forum mods to look at my ip and elite hunter and you wuold find its not the same.
How do you know that the moderators aren't in on the 9/11 plot? Maybe this entire forum and everyone in it is an elaborate set up to quiet you down.

Now just go with the nice men to the happy place.lmao maybe :P

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by GSpector
I for one, am in favor of kicking both nelson1985 & elite_hunter_sh3 off this forum just for spouting these conspiracies. I do not think they have added 1 bit of fun or education to this site.Why kick them off exactly? 9/11 was a conspiracy. A conspiracy among terrorists. But that's semantics. Kicking users off for talking rubbish is a very bad idea. Perhaps let them stay on the forums, where they may learn (/teach - depends how you see it) to argue more effectively.

I recorded 8 6hr tapes starting the moment these tragedies hit the news. I saw the footage, I heard the comments, I felt the pain and to see someone post that what I saw was a lie, is outrageous at best. No-one is saying what you saw was a lie, just differentiating over who's responsible for what you saw.

I am a strong believer in the "Freedom of Speech" but that freedom does not give people the right to hurt others with lies. If you wish to educate, then educate with facts especially on topics such as this.

You want to claim the Moon Landing was really filmed in a Hollywood Studio or somewhere in the Nevada Test Range, that's fine. Granted it would hurt those we admire like Neil Armstrong or Buzz Aldrin but no lives were lost.
I'm having trouble with this. Who exactly is being hurt here? If Al-Qaeda/GOP/Batman/whoever were responsible, what difference would it make in terms of hurt . The same people end up dead.
Are you saying that we can only debate actions in which no lives were lost?

This should not become a Forum that allows people to recruit others to believing these or any other conspiracies where many lives were lost.
I think the members online are preventing any recruitment rather effectively :)

Real people died in these savage, unannounced attacks. By propagating theories stating they were murdered by their govt, and that its all a hoax and a lie, you're showing contempt for the memory of the 3000-odd people.
How?

[AJ!]

These conspiracys lead to nothing... many of them are unjust and dishonoring to the people who suffered that day. some people say the plane that hit the twin towers shoots laser beams first and others say they saw UFOs around the towers...

On the whole conspiracy thing im still hunting for the underground lair of the mole people :up:

[Tchocky]

These conspiracys lead to nothing... many of them are unjust and dishonoring to the people who suffered that day.

How do they dishonour anyone? What's inherently less "honourable" in being killed by a white guy than an Islamic terrorist?
I don't believe any alternative theory I've heard yet, but some of the reactions here ("kick 'em off the boards" etc) are ridiculous.

[AJ!]

These conspiracys lead to nothing... many of them are unjust and dishonoring to the people who suffered that day.
How do they dishonour anyone? What's inherently less "honourable" in being killed by a white guy than an Islamic terrorist?
I don't believe any alternative theory I've heard yet, but some of the reactions here ("kick 'em off the boards" etc) are ridiculous.

No the reason people here are so pi**ed off is because this 9/11 thing has been discussed far too many times before :damn:

[Tchocky]

No the reason people here are so pi**ed off is because this 9/11 thing has been discussed far too many times before :damn:

Not what I asked, but OK. I'd say the four pages that this thread has run to shows that not everyone is sick of it.
There's always a place to say "You're wrong, here's why". It's the talk of "kick them off the forums" that really annoys me. In keeping with the thread's tone, I say; kick off those who wish to kick others off :P

[Chaotic42]

I think the big problem with 9/11 conspiracies is that most of them would require keeping *way* too many people quiet. It's like the moon landing. There would just be too many people involved.

[AJ!]

No the reason people here are so pi**ed off is because this 9/11 thing has been discussed far too many times before :damn:
Not what I asked, but OK. I'd say the four pages that this thread has run to shows that not everyone is sick of it.
There's always a place to say "You're wrong, here's why". It's the talk of "kick them off the forums" that really annoys me. In keeping with the thread's tone, I say; kick off those who wish to kick others off :P

ah i see what your getting at.
yes this thread has taken a negative vibe :-?

[GSpector]

To Gizzmoe: I vote yes. Same drivel from both.

To nelson1985: I am not taking your "FREE SPEECH" away. I just think you can just spout it elsewhere. I verified your statements with just science & facts and found you to be wrong on many cases.

If you were interested in the truth or even interested in education, you would STOP trying to cram your misinformed theories down our throats and take the time to learn.

Debates are fine because information goes both ways. You seem to shut out everyone here unless they agree with you. That's where you really started to tick me off.

Why don't you take time and read the posts from others and check out the sites offered.


I think that if others read your other posts, they will all find that you have not contributed in 1 way to this site in regard to the theme of this site.

The facts stand for themselves.

[The Noob]

There is no 9/11 Conspiracy, morons! (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons)

And the forms some crazy people interpret in smoke clouds and explosions are bullsh.......

[Gizzmoe]

I think that if others read your other posts, they will all find that you have not contributed in 1 way to this site in regard to the theme of this site.
It doesn´t matter where people post on Subsim, as long as they post they contribute to the site.

By the way, we´d mentioned that several times already, if people have nothing useful to add to a discussion they should stay out of it. Generally speaking, on Subsim people can voice their opinion about pretty much anything they want. If you don´t agree with someones opinion either refute that opinion in an acceptable way or say nothing at all.

[HunterICX]

:shifty: look whatever happend on 9/11 cant be proved, it happend
but the whole thing smells a bit fishy in some points. I dont believe it a consparicy but there are some things that bugs me

many warnings where given
Defensive aircrafts on that morning send far away on a training mission
explosive detecting dogs removed out of builidng 7 weeks before
Building number 7 colapses as an controlled demolision.

But the twin towers werent a set up

''the fireman who clarifies to hear a BOOM BOOM BOOM''
its pretty obvious when the construction is collapsing because of the impact and things inside the building blow up because of the fire.
''but the windows where broked on the 1st floor''
pretty obvious...think of the vibration of the impact when a plane is going 900 Km/h inside the building.

The pentagon:
this scenes seems to be a lot confusing to me, to me its all blurr...
some Pro-Consparicy say that a plane could not make that turn in the boeing. (they say it was a cruise missiles)
well....A hyper modern flightsim that they officialy use for pilots did tests...and they hit the pentagon many times with succes.
but to me its blurry...

9/11 was so horrible that it all seems so unreal...but well...1 thing.. you cannot fake the total picture...some things where fishy...but yet again...try to proof it

[GSpector]

Quote by Gizzmoe:
"It doesn´t matter where people post on Subsim, as long as they post they contribute to the site."

I never said they did not contribute. I stated they did not contribute to the theme of this site.

I saw no reference to any Simulation, Sub or real or simulated Military action in any of there post. Nothing they posted has added any amount of enjoyment to any PC Software I have.

I have enjoyed all the commonalities between many of the members here and with mention of the many activities that take place away from the site. All that also adds to the positive feeling about this site and makes it a welcome place to come back to.

All would have been fine if it just ended with their initial post and just let others respond so maybe they could learn; but no, they both had to keep pushing with what they believe on us without real facts to back it up and with closed eyes.

So, if you wish to ban me because I would like to keep this site a fun and educational site, that's fine because then I won't have to read any more of their posts.

[Gizzmoe]

I never said they did not contribute. I stated they did not contribute to the theme of this site.

I saw no reference to any Simulation, Sub or real or simulated Military action in any of there post. Nothing they posted has added any amount of enjoyment to any PC Software I have.
Thousands of people visit this site each day and they don´t all share the same interests. We have a helo sims forum, one about tank sims, one about pirate games and so on. And of course General Topics, where people can discuss anything that would be off-topic in the other forums. Subsim is a very diverse site. There are many different topics people wanna talk about, and people have different personalities, believe systems, religions, interests in games and so on...

All would have been fine if it just ended with their initial post and just let others respond so maybe they could learn; but no, they both had to keep pushing with what they believe on us without real facts to back it up and with closed eyes.
Like I said, simply ignore those you disgree with, or refute their opinions. No-one forces you to read every single post of them.

[STEED]

9/11 conspiracy's here we go again. :down:

[HunterICX]

9/11 conspiracy's here we go again. :down:

Well...I'll gues we arent going to find out what Exactly happend...
but yet again...its not a conspiracy althought some thing seems to be suspicous.

[joea]

All right mister elite_hunter, you never answered the question, what happened to Flight 77 and its passengers if it didn't hit the Pentagon? I am at work but I can go home and find the passenger list for you, with real people inlcuding a Chinese couple. (Oh noes China was in on the plot!) :damn:

[baggygreen]

Oh didnt you know joea, they landed, executed all the passengers, and then took off again! they used chinese made aks, so that the plot couldnt be traced back to the US, but those kids figured it out in no time:yep: :roll:

[mapuc]

science & facts! Is anyone of you engineer of any kind, such as
Master of Engineering? Is anyone of you expert in demolition?

I'm not an engineer or a demolitions expert of any kind.

But I will not take everything those "expert" say on the telli, to be the only truth!

That is just what I'm doing, 'cause I can't belive that the US should be involved in some way or an another.

Markus

[bradclark1]

Poll: Who thinks that elite_hunter and Nelson are the same person?

I do... Same writing style, same lack of apostrophs ("dont", im").
Wouldn't that be easy enough for you to check out?

[Gizzmoe]

Wouldn't that be easy enough for you to check out?

I can´t check the IP addresses. When we had phpBB I could...

[Tchocky]

ah i see what your getting at.
yes this thread has taken a negative vibe :-?

Ya-huh..One side posting theoretical gibberish and the other reacting with " You can't say that, people died that day!"...

Gizzmoe is posting like a sane person....but he has to :p

[nelson1985]

can some one name a list of things i am lieing about first before calling me a lier?

[nelson1985]

let me name a few things that are 100 fact

is it not true that are government lies to us.

is it not true that there is a US plan named Operation Northwoods.

is it not true that NORAD was having war games on 911.

is it not true that the cia funding bin laden and trained him.

[Dowly]

You are not lying, you just post stuff that no one can proof. ;)

Show me HARD EVIDENCE to back you up and then I might believe you.



is it not true that there is a US plan named Operation Northwoods.

An invidual person of the US armed forces came up with that plan, not the goverment.

[waste gate]

let me name a few things that are 100 fact

is it not true that are government lies to us.

is it not true that there is a US plan named Operation Northwoods.

is it not true that NORAD was having war games on 911.

is it not true that the cia funding bin laden and trained him.

None of these interesting bits of information, taken by themselves or as a group, prove the existance of a government conspiracy to attack citizens of the United States.

[nelson1985]

let me name a few things that are 100 fact

is it not true that are government lies to us.

is it not true that there is a US plan named Operation Northwoods.

is it not true that NORAD was having war games on 911.

is it not true that the cia funding bin laden and trained him.
None of these interesting bits of information, taken by themselves or as a group, prove the existance of a government conspiracy to attack citizens of the United States.true but i nerver said the goverment did it.

[nelson1985]

You are not lying, you just post stuff that no one can proof. ;)

Show me HARD EVIDENCE to back you up and then I might believe you.



is it not true that there is a US plan named Operation Northwoods.
An invidual person of the US armed forces came up with that plan, not the c.about all the things i said are 100 fact. how about are goverment did they show you hard evidence yet? lol

[waste gate]

let me name a few things that are 100 fact

is it not true that are government lies to us.

is it not true that there is a US plan named Operation Northwoods.

is it not true that NORAD was having war games on 911.

is it not true that the cia funding bin laden and trained him.
None of these interesting bits of information, taken by themselves or as a group, prove the existance of a government conspiracy to attack citizens of the United States.true but i nerver said the goverment did it.

Who/whom, in your estimation, is responsible for the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentigon on September 11, 2001?

If you have already submitted your suspicions I apologize for missing it. If you could repost your thoughts that would be great!!

[Iceman]

Shame on you moderators for not locking this topic after the first three posts from this person...makes you seem as lame as this person is.This person clearly has no other objective than to "Stir" the pot...he does not want to deabte anything or consider any other ideas or opinion other than his clear negative agenda...shame on you guys for not banning him or scolding him....your street credit with me has gone down Subsim...:down:

[Fish]

All right mister elite_hunter, you never answered the question, what happened to Flight 77 and its passengers if it didn't hit the Pentagon? I am at work but I can go home and find the passenger list for you, with real people inlcuding a Chinese couple. (Oh noes China was in on the plot!) :damn:

They do not argue single facts, they bombard you with sites en video's.
And they do not read your arguments or answer you when you give them something to think about they don't like.

[nelson1985]

let me name a few things that are 100 fact

is it not true that are government lies to us.

is it not true that there is a US plan named Operation Northwoods.

is it not true that NORAD was having war games on 911.

is it not true that the cia funding bin laden and trained him.
None of these interesting bits of information, taken by themselves or as a group, prove the existance of a government conspiracy to attack citizens of the United States.true but i nerver said the goverment did it.
Who/whom, in your estimation, is responsible for the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentigon on September 11, 2001?

If you have already submitted your suspicions I apologize for missing it. If you could repost your thoughts that would be great!!i dont know who did it i just think that are government is hideing more info then they like us to know thats all.

[waste gate]

Shame on you moderators for not locking this topic after the first three posts from this person...makes you seem as lame as this person is.This person clearly has no other objective than to "Stir" the pot...he does not want to deabte anything or consider any other ideas or opinion other than his clear negative agenda...shame on you guys for not banning him or scolding him....your street credit with me has gone down Subsim...:down:

Let the man speak. He seems to feel strongly about his opinions. Nothing wrong with seeing the other side of things so long as his opinion is an honest one.

[waste gate]

let me name a few things that are 100 fact

is it not true that are government lies to us.

is it not true that there is a US plan named Operation Northwoods.

is it not true that NORAD was having war games on 911.

is it not true that the cia funding bin laden and trained him.
None of these interesting bits of information, taken by themselves or as a group, prove the existance of a government conspiracy to attack citizens of the United States.true but i nerver said the goverment did it.
Who/whom, in your estimation, is responsible for the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentigon on September 11, 2001?

If you have already submitted your suspicions I apologize for missing it. If you could repost your thoughts that would be great!!i dont know who did it i just think that are government is hideing more info then they like us to know thats all.

You certainly can make the arguement that government doesn't tell everyone everything it knows. Is that point of your thread? If so..............??

[Gizzmoe]

Let the man speak. He seems to feel strongly about his opinions. Nothing wrong with seeing the other side of things so long as his opinion is an honest one.
Yup, that´s the reason why I hadn´t closed the thread.

[fredbass]

OMG. This thread is still going? What a waste of space.

[nelson1985]

OMG. This thread is still going? What a waste of space. you can say you just added to that waste of space no?:rotfl:

[ASWnut101]

or what about the cia funding bin laden and training him am i lieing about that to?

That was in the 1980's to fight off the Russian Communism. And it wasn't as much of training as it was just giving them weapons.

EDIT: Man, two more pages! what you miss while you sleep!

[ASWnut101]

let me name a few things that are 100 fact

is it not true that are government lies to us.

is it not true that there is a US plan named Operation Northwoods.

is it not true that NORAD was having war games on 911.

is it not true that the cia funding bin laden and trained him.
None of these interesting bits of information, taken by themselves or as a group, prove the existance of a government conspiracy to attack citizens of the United States.true but i nerver said the goverment did it.

Than who did?

[nelson1985]

or what about the cia funding bin laden and training him am i lieing about that to?
That was in the 1980's to fight off the Russian Communism. And it wasn't as much of training as it was just giving them weapons.

EDIT: Man, two more pages! what you miss while you sleep!i guess the history channel is lieing when they said cia funding bin laden and trained him in a doc. yes and it was for Russian Communism

[nelson1985]

let me name a few things that are 100 fact

is it not true that are government lies to us.

is it not true that there is a US plan named Operation Northwoods.

is it not true that NORAD was having war games on 911.

is it not true that the cia funding bin laden and trained him.
None of these interesting bits of information, taken by themselves or as a group, prove the existance of a government conspiracy to attack citizens of the United States.true but i nerver said the goverment did it.
Than who did?you think if i new i still be alive :rotfl:

[ASWnut101]

i dont know who did it i just think that are government is hideing more info then they like us to know thats all.


Like what? What were they hiding?


you can say you just added to that waste of space no?:rotfl:

than what was this?:hmm:

[ASWnut101]

or what about the cia funding bin laden and training him am i lieing about that to?
That was in the 1980's to fight off the Russian Communism. And it wasn't as much of training as it was just giving them weapons.

EDIT: Man, two more pages! what you miss while you sleep!i guess the history channel is lieing when they said cia funding bin laden and training him in a doc.


So you DO trust government-given info?

[nelson1985]

or what about the cia funding bin laden and training him am i lieing about that to?
That was in the 1980's to fight off the Russian Communism. And it wasn't as much of training as it was just giving them weapons.

EDIT: Man, two more pages! what you miss while you sleep!i guess the history channel is lieing when they said cia funding bin laden and training him in a doc.

So you DO trust government-given info?not really but it is kinda funny they said that in the history channel im not sure if it was before 911 or after they did that video about him.

[bradclark1]

is it not true that the cia funding bin laden and trained him.
First off bin Laden was nothing during the Russian war. His one claim to fame was he and a group of rebels he was with held the Russians off for one day before melting into the night. Holding off a Russian assault for that amount of time was a rarity.
bin Laden was trained and financed through the CIA like every other rebel as in being taught weapons and tactics. One of thousands. An unknown till the first Gulf War.

[ASWnut101]

Oh, and one more thing.


That "cruise missile" is not a cruise missile. It's WAY too big. The U.S. dosent have a missile that big. Not even the AGM-86 ALCM is that big. Don't know what your seeing there...

[Dowly]

or what about the cia funding bin laden and training him am i lieing about that to?
That was in the 1980's to fight off the Russian Communism. And it wasn't as much of training as it was just giving them weapons.

EDIT: Man, two more pages! what you miss while you sleep!i guess the history channel is lieing when they said cia funding bin laden and training him in a doc.

So you DO trust government-given info?not really but it is kinda funny they said that in the history channel im not sure if it was before 911 or after they did that video about him.

It was long before and AFAIK it´s widely known too. Was it that US sold weapons to Bin Laden (read Al Qaida) to help them fight the soviets? Cant really remember, someone correct me if necessary. ;)

[nelson1985]

i dont know who did it i just think that are government is hideing more info then they like us to know thats all.

Like what? What were they hiding?


you can say you just added to that waste of space no?:rotfl:
than what was this?:hmm:what about pentagon attack having only one video while theres more.:hmm:

[Dowly]

i dont know who did it i just think that are government is hideing more info then they like us to know thats all.

Like what? What were they hiding?


you can say you just added to that waste of space no?:rotfl:
than what was this?:hmm:what about pentagon attack having only one video while there more.:hmm:

Again, that´s something that someone says. But do we really know for sure that there is another videos? :hmm:

[nelson1985]

i dont know who did it i just think that are government is hideing more info then they like us to know thats all.

Like what? What were they hiding?


you can say you just added to that waste of space no?:rotfl:
than what was this?:hmm:what about pentagon attack having only one video while there more.:hmm:
Again, that´s something that someone says. But do we really know for sure that there is another videos? :hmm:http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2001/12/1211_wirepentagon.html
(http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2001/12/1211_wirepentagon.html:)

[ASWnut101]

heh, real nice:

"File 404 not found" is a video?

[nelson1985]

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2001/12/1211_wirepentagon.html

[Dowly]

heh, real nice:

"File 404 not found" is a video?

Oh noes! It´s the men in black! :rotfl:

[nelson1985]

heh, real nice:

"File 404 not found" is a video?nope just read on.

[ASWnut101]

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2001/05/images/1211_pentagon.jpg


Yep, "deceptively small":roll:

Thats a very large hole. big enough for an airplane the size of a 757.



(To gizzmoe, TK, and others: If you can't see the pic tell me quick!)

[elite_hunter_sh3]

omg that was after the the part collapsed it didnt collapse right after the strike,

here look
http://www.teamlaw.org/images/Penthitista.jpg
the part in the red circle is the hole witch coupled with fire caused the eventual collapse.
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman1.htm


http://www.physics911.net/index

[elite_hunter_sh3]

ok if you want to see hard concrete evidence of the conspiracy watch this whole video (mostly WTC) if they had the balls to bring down 2 110 stories towers of steel and concrete they can do that to the pentagon

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6708190071483512003&hl=en-GB

watch the entire video if you want proof of what happened.

[The Noob]

This is bull****. It cant be true, its too crazy.

[SUBMAN1]

Are there really people in this world that are this retarded to think that something different happened on 9/11? That is about as nice a thing as I have to say about them.

-S

[nelson1985]

ok if you want to see hard concrete evidence of the conspiracy watch this whole video (mostly WTC) if they had the balls to bring down 2 110 stories towers of steel and concrete they can do that to the pentagon

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6708190071483512003&hl=en-GB

watch the entire video if you want proof of what happened.i saw the video but i think lose changes 2 is better.

[ASWnut101]

Those are still pretty big holes, considering the Pentagon's construction.


And the video thing is pretty weak. It's way too low quality to even tell what exactly is in the picture. I can tell you one thing, that is no Air to Ground missile. None of the AGM's in the U.S. inventory have a terminal stage rocket booster and are that big. in fact, as I had already pointed out, that is not a missile at all. And through the quality of the video, let me ask this: What was the security camera's position in relation to the flight path of the inbound jet? you can make things look deceptively smaller than they appear if viewed from the right angle.

[waste gate]

ok if you want to see hard concrete evidence of the conspiracy watch this whole video (mostly WTC) if they had the balls to bring down 2 110 stories towers of steel and concrete they can do that to the pentagon

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6708190071483512003&hl=en-GB

watch the entire video if you want proof of what happened.

I will take your vid on face value that it was a conspiracy to bring down WTC and attack the pentagon.

I have only one question. Who/whom is responsible.

[elite_hunter_sh3]

This is bull****. It cant be true, its too crazy.

whats dissapointing is you cant handle the truth because if you find out you reliase the government is not the type of government you think it is.

FOR MORE HARD CONCRETE EVIDENCE

http://web.archive.org/web/20021204211649/http:/homepage.ntlworld.com/steveseymour/pentagon/pentagon.htm

comparing a boeing el al flight which crashed into a aprtment building it was a 747 weihing around 600,000 pounds, the 757 is aorund max takeoff weight 250,000 ish lbs http://www.boeing.com/commercial/757family/pf/pf_200tech.html

the boeing 747 demolished a good portion of the building. now look at the pentagon and the small measly holes it created.

[nelson1985]

http://www.infowars.com/
http://www.prisonplanet.com/

[nelson1985]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W21MutyXOew

[elite_hunter_sh3]

ok if you want to see hard concrete evidence of the conspiracy watch this whole video (mostly WTC) if they had the balls to bring down 2 110 stories towers of steel and concrete they can do that to the pentagon

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6708190071483512003&hl=en-GB

watch the entire video if you want proof of what happened.
I will take your vid on face value that it was a conspiracy to bring down WTC and attack the pentagon.

I have only one question. Who/whom is responsible.
that unfortunately is very hard to solve. a few reasons,
to do this type of attack and bring down the WTC you need military grade explosives to bring down those towers, you needed to have to place those bombs/explosives inside the building,

most solutions point to the US government because they used 9/11 as an excuse totake on afghanistan and Iraq, they have Uk in europe so they needed a country to control in middle east because they had europe(UK) and asia (south korea, japan) covered. some solutions point out to the israeli government for orchestrating the attack because they wanted more land in the middle east and wanted the americans to do their battles for them,

some say it was china
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/9/24/143618.shtml
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=25680

personally i think america either worked with israeli government OR the israelies used the american government while the americans think they are doing a good thing. the thing is they thought they got away with 9/11 (which they made most people believe their story) but they didnt get away with iraq they are losing in iraq and its becoming next vietnam, they got away with 9/11 and now bush career and reputation is ruined beause of israels plan to get more land /use US as patsy in the middle east.

BUT the isralies might not be involved, it could only be the US until someone digs up all the truth (which might never happened) who knows.

[ASWnut101]

Ok, nelson, if the aircraft didn't bring down the towers then what did?

And PLEASE actually answer this question and the other one of "Who did it?"

[ASWnut101]

to do this type of attack and bring down the WTC you need military grade explosives to bring down those towers, you needed to have to place those bombs/explosives inside the building


The fire insulation on the support beams were over 40 years old! And, no, an aircraft the size of a 757 would bring down the towers, "military grade" explosives or not. 11,000 gallons of Jet-A, which IS very hot buring plus 200,000 pounds of re-enforced aluminum tube in the shape of a bullet is very damaging.

[elite_hunter_sh3]

METAL MELTS AT 2600 F normal open air fires cannot burn that hot only explosives/thermite can melt steel PLZ WATCH THE VIDEO ASWnut 101
melting point proof:http://education.jlab.org/qa/meltingpoint_01.html
JET A-1
Flash point (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_point): 38 °C
Autoignition temperature: 210 °C
Freezing point: -47 °C (-40 °C for JET A)
Open air burning (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_burn) temperatures: 260-315 °C (500-599 °F)
Maximum burning temperature: 980 °C (1796 °F)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_fuel

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...12003&hl=en-GB (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6708190071483512003&hl=en-GB) and it will explain the fires and the metal and fuel an impacts

[nelson1985]

to do this type of attack and bring down the WTC you need military grade explosives to bring down those towers, you needed to have to place those bombs/explosives inside the building

The fire insulation on the support beams were over 40 years old! And, no, an aircraft the size of a 757 would bring down the towers, "military grade" explosives or not. 11,000 gallons of Jet-A, which IS very hot buring plus 200,000 pounds of re-enforced aluminum tube in the shape of a bullet is very damaging.did a plane hit building 7?

[ASWnut101]

no, it only had one of the big towers fall on it:roll:

[waste gate]

ok if you want to see hard concrete evidence of the conspiracy watch this whole video (mostly WTC) if they had the balls to bring down 2 110 stories towers of steel and concrete they can do that to the pentagon

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6708190071483512003&hl=en-GB

watch the entire video if you want proof of what happened.
I will take your vid on face value that it was a conspiracy to bring down WTC and attack the pentagon.

I have only one question. Who/whom is responsible.
that unfortunately is very hard to solve. a few reasons,
to do this type of attack and bring down the WTC you need military grade explosives to bring down those towers, you needed to have to place those bombs/explosives inside the building,

most solutions point to the US government because they used 9/11 as an excuse totake on afghanistan and Iraq, they have Uk in europe so they needed a country to control in middle east because they had europe(UK) and asia (south korea, japan) covered. some solutions point out to the israeli government for orchestrating the attack because they wanted more land in the middle east and wanted the americans to do their battles for them,

some say it was china
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/9/24/143618.shtml
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=25680

personally i think america either worked with israeli government OR the israelies used the american government while the americans think they are doing a good thing. the thing is they thought they got away with 9/11 (which they made most people believe their story) but they didnt get away with iraq they are losing in iraq and its becoming next vietnam, they got away with 9/11 and now bush career and reputation is ruined beause of israels plan to get more land /use US as patsy in the middle east.

BUT the isralies might not be involved, it could only be the US until someone digs up all the truth (which might never happened) who knows.

As I recall Bin Laden and his associates took reponsibility/credit for the 9/11 attacks. Why would an individual who had some political power,albiet in a third world country, admit to an act such as this against the United States?

[elite_hunter_sh3]

yes but it cleary withstood the attacks because it had same design as the WTC

http://media.popularmechanics.com/images/0305911-wtc7-lg.jpg

http://hometown.aol.co.uk/uncovering911/images/17%20-%20wtc7-arrows.jpg

http://www.american-buddha.com/astevejoneswtc3.jpg * WTC 7 is in the background.

[ASWnut101]

METAL MELTS AT 2600 F normal open air fires cannot burn that hot only explosives/thermite can melt steel PLZ WATCH THE VIDEO ASWnut 101
melting point proof:http://education.jlab.org/qa/meltingpoint_01.html
JET A-1
Flash point (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_point): 38 °C
Autoignition temperature: 210 °C
Freezing point: -47 °C (-40 °C for JET A)
Open air burning (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_burn) temperatures: 260-315 °C (500-599 °F)
Maximum burning temperature: 980 °C (1796 °F)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_fuel

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...12003&hl=en-GB (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6708190071483512003&hl=en-GB) and it will explain the fires and the metal and fuel an impacts


Ok, so you're suggesting that a bunch of men, carring countless sacks of thermite grenades and charges somehow snuck into the core of the building, placed them on over 110 floors of building, and timed it perfectly with a terrorist suicide attack on them, without EVER being caught on video tape from the numerous security cameras throughout the building, not to mention the security force there.:hmm:

[elite_hunter_sh3]

ok if you want to see hard concrete evidence of the conspiracy watch this whole video (mostly WTC) if they had the balls to bring down 2 110 stories towers of steel and concrete they can do that to the pentagon

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6708190071483512003&hl=en-GB

watch the entire video if you want proof of what happened.
I will take your vid on face value that it was a conspiracy to bring down WTC and attack the pentagon.

I have only one question. Who/whom is responsible.
that unfortunately is very hard to solve. a few reasons,
to do this type of attack and bring down the WTC you need military grade explosives to bring down those towers, you needed to have to place those bombs/explosives inside the building,

most solutions point to the US government because they used 9/11 as an excuse totake on afghanistan and Iraq, they have Uk in europe so they needed a country to control in middle east because they had europe(UK) and asia (south korea, japan) covered. some solutions point out to the israeli government for orchestrating the attack because they wanted more land in the middle east and wanted the americans to do their battles for them,

some say it was china
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/9/24/143618.shtml
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=25680

personally i think america either worked with israeli government OR the israelies used the american government while the americans think they are doing a good thing. the thing is they thought they got away with 9/11 (which they made most people believe their story) but they didnt get away with iraq they are losing in iraq and its becoming next vietnam, they got away with 9/11 and now bush career and reputation is ruined beause of israels plan to get more land /use US as patsy in the middle east.

BUT the isralies might not be involved, it could only be the US until someone digs up all the truth (which might never happened) who knows.
As I recall Bin Laden and his associates took reponsibility/credit for the 9/11 attacks. Why would an individual who had some political power,albiet in a third world country, admit to an act such as this against the United States?

keep in mind that US helped Bin laden during soviet invasion of afghanistan, bin laden family had major economic power in saudi arabia and states, and since the americans helped him he owed them something, if america wanted bin laden caught he would already been caught a long time ago, but looky now hes still alive and kickin it. they got al zarqawi in iraq because they wanted to catch him to keep morale up. y isnt bin laden caught instead they go for some other lower level leader in iraq.

[nelson1985]

ok if you want to see hard concrete evidence of the conspiracy watch this whole video (mostly WTC) if they had the balls to bring down 2 110 stories towers of steel and concrete they can do that to the pentagon

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6708190071483512003&hl=en-GB

watch the entire video if you want proof of what happened.
I will take your vid on face value that it was a conspiracy to bring down WTC and attack the pentagon.

I have only one question. Who/whom is responsible.
that unfortunately is very hard to solve. a few reasons,
to do this type of attack and bring down the WTC you need military grade explosives to bring down those towers, you needed to have to place those bombs/explosives inside the building,

most solutions point to the US government because they used 9/11 as an excuse totake on afghanistan and Iraq, they have Uk in europe so they needed a country to control in middle east because they had europe(UK) and asia (south korea, japan) covered. some solutions point out to the israeli government for orchestrating the attack because they wanted more land in the middle east and wanted the americans to do their battles for them,

some say it was china
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/9/24/143618.shtml
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=25680

personally i think america either worked with israeli government OR the israelies used the american government while the americans think they are doing a good thing. the thing is they thought they got away with 9/11 (which they made most people believe their story) but they didnt get away with iraq they are losing in iraq and its becoming next vietnam, they got away with 9/11 and now bush career and reputation is ruined beause of israels plan to get more land /use US as patsy in the middle east.

BUT the isralies might not be involved, it could only be the US until someone digs up all the truth (which might never happened) who knows.
As I recall Bin Laden and his associates took reponsibility/credit for the 9/11 attacks. Why would an individual who had some political power,albiet in a third world country, admit to an act such as this against the United States?:rotfl:which bin laden your talking about the fat one in the video?:rotfl:

[ASWnut101]

We can't exactly invade Pakistan....They are part of the U.N. and are "Allies" (If you can call them that)


Yeah, Bin Laden owes us so much that he declares a Jihad on the U.S. and on Israel.:roll:

[nelson1985]

METAL MELTS AT 2600 F normal open air fires cannot burn that hot only explosives/thermite can melt steel PLZ WATCH THE VIDEO ASWnut 101
melting point proof:http://education.jlab.org/qa/meltingpoint_01.html
JET A-1
Flash point (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_point): 38 °C
Autoignition temperature: 210 °C
Freezing point: -47 °C (-40 °C for JET A)
Open air burning (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_burn) temperatures: 260-315 °C (500-599 °F)
Maximum burning temperature: 980 °C (1796 °F)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_fuel

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...12003&hl=en-GB (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6708190071483512003&hl=en-GB) and it will explain the fires and the metal and fuel an impacts

Ok, so you're suggesting that a bunch of men, carring countless sacks of thermite grenades and charges somehow snuck into the core of the building, placed them on over 110 floors of building, and timed it perfectly with a terrorist suicide attack on them, without EVER being caught on video tape from the numerous security cameras throughout the building, not to mention the security force there.:hmm:do you know what happen in the last weeks of 911 i think one of the posters says something about that :lol:

[nelson1985]

no, it only had one of the big towers fall on it:roll:oh like building 5 and 6 and yet they did not fall and they was under towers 1 and 2 LOL:yep:

[ASWnut101]

I've noticed that through the course of this discussion/argument, that Elite_Hunter and Nelson have yet to answer the question on "Who did it?"

I've also noticed that when we are discussing, say the pentagon strike, that midway through the discussion either one of them comes and switches to the other building. (ie. me, wastegate and nelson are discussing the pentagon when elite_hunter starts up agian about the WTC). Why is this?:hmm:

[waste gate]

ok if you want to see hard concrete evidence of the conspiracy watch this whole video (mostly WTC) if they had the balls to bring down 2 110 stories towers of steel and concrete they can do that to the pentagon

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6708190071483512003&hl=en-GB

watch the entire video if you want proof of what happened.
I will take your vid on face value that it was a conspiracy to bring down WTC and attack the pentagon.

I have only one question. Who/whom is responsible.
that unfortunately is very hard to solve. a few reasons,
to do this type of attack and bring down the WTC you need military grade explosives to bring down those towers, you needed to have to place those bombs/explosives inside the building,

most solutions point to the US government because they used 9/11 as an excuse totake on afghanistan and Iraq, they have Uk in europe so they needed a country to control in middle east because they had europe(UK) and asia (south korea, japan) covered. some solutions point out to the israeli government for orchestrating the attack because they wanted more land in the middle east and wanted the americans to do their battles for them,

some say it was china
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/9/24/143618.shtml
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=25680

personally i think america either worked with israeli government OR the israelies used the american government while the americans think they are doing a good thing. the thing is they thought they got away with 9/11 (which they made most people believe their story) but they didnt get away with iraq they are losing in iraq and its becoming next vietnam, they got away with 9/11 and now bush career and reputation is ruined beause of israels plan to get more land /use US as patsy in the middle east.

BUT the isralies might not be involved, it could only be the US until someone digs up all the truth (which might never happened) who knows.
As I recall Bin Laden and his associates took reponsibility/credit for the 9/11 attacks. Why would an individual who had some political power,albiet in a third world country, admit to an act such as this against the United States?

keep in mind that US helped Bin laden during soviet invasion of afghanistan, bin laden family had major economic power in saudi arabia and states, and since the americans helped him he owed them something, if america wanted bin laden caught he would already been caught a long time ago, but looky now hes still alive and kickin it. they got al zarqawi in iraq because they wanted to catch him to keep morale up. y isnt bin laden caught instead they go for some other lower level leader in iraq.

I respect your answer and it is one plauseable answer. Are we talking about multiple US Congreses and Presidential administrations going back to 1979?

[nelson1985]

I've noticed that through the course of this discussion/argument, that Elite_Hunter and Nelson have yet to answer the question on "Who did it?"

I've also noticed that when we are discussing, say the pentagon strike, that midway through the discussion either one of them comes and switches to the other building. (ie. me, wastegate and nelson are discussing the pentagon when elite_hunter starts up agian about the WTC). Why is this?:hmm:as to who did it i dont know maybe it was the cia or the kgb or the world bankers or maybe it was you thats something we might nerver find out.

[ASWnut101]

no, it only had one of the big towers fall on it:roll:oh like building 5 and 6 and yet they did not fall and they was under towers 1 and 2 LOL:yep:

Look how big Building 7 was compared to 5 and 6. through simple experiments, you will find that smaller objects are harder to damage/crush than the bigger ones.

go in your back yard or near any tree, and grab a small stick or large twig, about 10 inches in length. break it in half. see how easy that was? Now, go find one about 1 inch in length. see how much more force you need to break it? same effect, though not proportional.:know:

[ASWnut101]

I've noticed that through the course of this discussion/argument, that Elite_Hunter and Nelson have yet to answer the question on "Who did it?"

I've also noticed that when we are discussing, say the pentagon strike, that midway through the discussion either one of them comes and switches to the other building. (ie. me, wastegate and nelson are discussing the pentagon when elite_hunter starts up agian about the WTC). Why is this?:hmm:as to who did it i dont know maybe it was the cia or the kgb or the world bankers or maybe it was you thats something we might nerver find out.

Why not?

[nelson1985]

no, it only had one of the big towers fall on it:roll:oh like building 5 and 6 and yet they did not fall and they was under towers 1 and 2 LOL:yep:
Look how big Building 7 was compared to 5 and 6. through simple experiments, you will find that smaller objects are harder to damage/crush than the bigger ones.

go in your back yard or near any tree, and grab a small stick or large twig, about 10 inches in length. break it in half. see how easy that was? Now, go find one about 1 inch in length. see how much more force you need to break it? same effect, though not proportional.:know:so what do you think made it fall fires?:know:

[nelson1985]

I've noticed that through the course of this discussion/argument, that Elite_Hunter and Nelson have yet to answer the question on "Who did it?"

I've also noticed that when we are discussing, say the pentagon strike, that midway through the discussion either one of them comes and switches to the other building. (ie. me, wastegate and nelson are discussing the pentagon when elite_hunter starts up agian about the WTC). Why is this?:hmm:as to who did it i dont know maybe it was the cia or the kgb or the world bankers or maybe it was you thats something we might nerver find out.
Why not?maybe if we wait like 30 years when most people forget about 911 we are going to see it in a doc in the history channel:)

[ASWnut101]

no, it only had one of the big towers fall on it:roll:oh like building 5 and 6 and yet they did not fall and they was under towers 1 and 2 LOL:yep:
Look how big Building 7 was compared to 5 and 6. through simple experiments, you will find that smaller objects are harder to damage/crush than the bigger ones.

go in your back yard or near any tree, and grab a small stick or large twig, about 10 inches in length. break it in half. see how easy that was? Now, go find one about 1 inch in length. see how much more force you need to break it? same effect, though not proportional.:know:so what do you think made it fall fires?:know:

As i just said, the big WTC buildings. Rubble.

[ASWnut101]

I've noticed that through the course of this discussion/argument, that Elite_Hunter and Nelson have yet to answer the question on "Who did it?"

I've also noticed that when we are discussing, say the pentagon strike, that midway through the discussion either one of them comes and switches to the other building. (ie. me, wastegate and nelson are discussing the pentagon when elite_hunter starts up agian about the WTC). Why is this?:hmm:as to who did it i dont know maybe it was the cia or the kgb or the world bankers or maybe it was you thats something we might nerver find out.
Why not?maybe if we wait like 30 years when most people forget about 911 we are going to see it in a doc in the history channel:)

You still didn't answer it. You've done that with about all of the questions asked to you.

[Tchocky]

I think that we're not being told the whole story, but that Al-Qaeda were responsible for the attacks....
I don't fully believe most high-level statements, anyone in the establishment long enough to become president/VP/SecDef/SecState has lost something along the way.

I've noticed that through the course of this discussion/argument, that Elite_Hunter and Nelson have yet to answer the question on "Who did it?"
Oh c'mon, do you really expect anyone to know? And if they did, would they post it here first?

[ASWnut101]

what's there to be told? Were you in Europe or in the U.S.A. when the attacks happened? How am I not being told the "true" story when I wake up, turn on the tube, and see an airplane crash into the WTC? Why is it that OBL announced he caused the attacks the VERY SAME DAY?

[nelson1985]

no, it only had one of the big towers fall on it:roll:oh like building 5 and 6 and yet they did not fall and they was under towers 1 and 2 LOL:yep:
Look how big Building 7 was compared to 5 and 6. through simple experiments, you will find that smaller objects are harder to damage/crush than the bigger ones.

go in your back yard or near any tree, and grab a small stick or large twig, about 10 inches in length. break it in half. see how easy that was? Now, go find one about 1 inch in length. see how much more force you need to break it? same effect, though not proportional.:know:so what do you think made it fall fires?:know: :lol:
As i just said, the big WTC buildings. Rubble.you mean structural damage?

[ASWnut101]

I think that we're not being told the whole story, but that Al-Qaeda were responsible for the attacks....
I don't fully believe most high-level statements, anyone in the establishment long enough to become president/VP/SecDef/SecState has lost something along the way.

I've noticed that through the course of this discussion/argument, that Elite_Hunter and Nelson have yet to answer the question on "Who did it?"
Oh c'mon, do you really expect anyone to know? And if they did, would they post it here first?

Pretty much the whole (95%+) of American Citizens know what happened. I'm sure that the people who experienced the explosion and survived know what happened.

[ASWnut101]

First: Nelson, just quote off of this from now on. the other quote thing is too big.:up:

Yes. I do mean that.

[Tchocky]

Pretty much the whole (95%+) of American Citizens know what happened. I'm sure that the people who experienced the explosion and survived know what happened.
Yes.......they know what they've been told. As regards the theories put forward here, if cast-iron proof of some other actors responsibility was available, then GT Forum of Subsim probably wouldn't be the spot for introduction. It would be across every headline.
It is commonly accepted, with a high level of coincidental/circumstantial evidence, that Al-Qaeda was responsible. We've also been told by our governments that that is how it all happened. I believe Al-Qaeda was responsible, but I don't know the full story.

[nelson1985]

First: Nelson, just quote off of this from now on. the other quote thing is too big.:up:

Yes. I do mean that.ok from i read from are government investigation teams which are government funded :lol: lol they say its fires but then they say its structural damage then they say no its both then they say well damn it we dont know lol and some of them dont even want to talk about building 7 hmm i wonder y :)

[ASWnut101]

so then how does this turn into a conspiracy? If the government dosen't know for sure what brought down building 7, why does that mean that they are not telling you everything?

[ASWnut101]

And even then, Please explain to me why our government would destroy our OWN, most valuable buildings economy wise, and launch a missile at our OWN military HQ only to go to war within a year? Those two contradict themselves.

[nelson1985]

And even then, Please explain to me why our government would destroy our OWN, most valuable buildings economy wise, and launch a missile at our OWN military HQ only to go to war within a year? Those two contradict themselves.but ill ask you this y did we go to war with iraq 911-iraq-oil

[porphy]

Hi all

Best thread in a long time. Keep it up everyone... :cool:

Cheers Porphy

[waste gate]

And even then, Please explain to me why our government would destroy our OWN, most valuable buildings economy wise, and launch a missile at our OWN military HQ only to go to war within a year? Those two contradict themselves.but ill ask you this y did we go to war with iraq 911-iraq-oil

I asked this earlier, but since you have been busy I'll ask again.

Are we talking about multiple US Congresses and Presidential administrations going back to 1979 or before?

[nelson1985]

And even then, Please explain to me why our government would destroy our OWN, most valuable buildings economy wise, and launch a missile at our OWN military HQ only to go to war within a year? Those two contradict themselves.but ill ask you this y did we go to war with iraq 911-iraq-oil
I asked this earlier, but since you have been busy I'll ask again.

Are we talking about multiple US Congresses and Presidential administrations going back to 1979 or before?i dont understand what you mean what are you asking ?

[Tchocky]

And even then, Please explain to me why our government would destroy our OWN, most valuable buildings economy wise, and launch a missile at our OWN military HQ only to go to war within a year? Those two contradict themselves.but ill ask you this y did we go to war with iraq 911-iraq-oil
This is making me cry. Please, please don't murder the English language like this. Try spelling, punctuation and the rules of sentence construction. Just once..

If they were in it for the oil, they could simply have made friends with Saddam again. << Not my belief, but food for thought.

Thought.

[nelson1985]

And even then, Please explain to me why our government would destroy our OWN, most valuable buildings economy wise, and launch a missile at our OWN military HQ only to go to war within a year? Those two contradict themselves.but ill ask you this y did we go to war with iraq 911-iraq-oil
This is making me cry. Please, please don't murder the English language like this. Try spelling, punctuation and the rules of sentence construction. Just once..

If they were in it for the oil, they could simply have made friends with Saddam again. << Not my belief, but food for thought.

Thought.i ask you this do defence contractors make more money from a long war or a short one?

[Tchocky]

i ask you this do defence contractors make more money from a long war or a short one?

I'd ask you what this has to do with my post, but I'm terrified of the answer.

Yes, arms manufacturers make more money from long wars of attrition. The elegant model of a "War On Terror", which is over whenever the US President says it is, squares this circle.

[waste gate]

And even then, Please explain to me why our government would destroy our OWN, most valuable buildings economy wise, and launch a missile at our OWN military HQ only to go to war within a year? Those two contradict themselves.but ill ask you this y did we go to war with iraq 911-iraq-oil
I asked this earlier, but since you have been busy I'll ask again.

Are we talking about multiple US Congresses and Presidential administrations going back to 1979 or before?i dont understand what you mean what are you asking ?

I know its a bit out of context now but you were unable to answer earlier.

I'm asking how far back does cover up go, and how many people have to know about the efforts and not say anything about it over how many years.

[nelson1985]

And even then, Please explain to me why our government would destroy our OWN, most valuable buildings economy wise, and launch a missile at our OWN military HQ only to go to war within a year? Those two contradict themselves.but ill ask you this y did we go to war with iraq 911-iraq-oil
I asked this earlier, but since you have been busy I'll ask again.

Are we talking about multiple US Congresses and Presidential administrations going back to 1979 or before?i dont understand what you mean what are you asking ?
I know its a bit out of context now but you were unable to answer earlier.

I'm asking how far back does cover up go, and how many people have to know about the efforts and not say anything about it over how many years.im not sure how far it goes in years but they happen i say this money is power and they can shut up any one :rotfl:

[nelson1985]

one cover up you all can agree with is Hitler's Burning of the Reichstag

[waste gate]

And even then, Please explain to me why our government would destroy our OWN, most valuable buildings economy wise, and launch a missile at our OWN military HQ only to go to war within a year? Those two contradict themselves.but ill ask you this y did we go to war with iraq 911-iraq-oil
I asked this earlier, but since you have been busy I'll ask again.

Are we talking about multiple US Congresses and Presidential administrations going back to 1979 or before?i dont understand what you mean what are you asking ?
I know its a bit out of context now but you were unable to answer earlier.

I'm asking how far back does cover up go, and how many people have to know about the efforts and not say anything about it over how many years.im not sure how far it goes in years but they happen i say this money is power and they can shut up any one :rotfl:

I agree with you that everyone has their price. My point, if you would indulge me, is that the number of people that would have to be involved in the conspiracy/cover-up/on going story, out weighs any reasonable credibility. Just too many people are in the position to know the 'truth' and not say a word about what they know. Not that it is impossible but it is surely unlikey.

[elite_hunter_sh3]

THERES A PROBLEM!!! while today i was posting on this thread my internet suddenly dies on me . every other site works for some odd reason subsim wont work, im currently posting this on a neighbors laptop, so i will be back answering any questions pple had but for right now i have to deal with the internet not letting me go to subsim . hmmm coincidence???

[waste gate]

THERES A PROBLEM!!! while today i was posting on this thread my internet suddenly dies on me . every other site works for some odd reason subsim wont work, im currently posting this on a neighbors laptop, so i will be back answering any questions pple had but for right now i have to deal with the internet not letting me go to subsim . hmmm coincidence???

Creating your own consiracy I see. Reminds me of Sub Serpent.

[ASWnut101]

Is the internet cable plugged in?



man, this thread is going WAY off topic... *looks around for axe-man gizzmoe* good, he's not here yet.

[nelson1985]

And even then, Please explain to me why our government would destroy our OWN, most valuable buildings economy wise, and launch a missile at our OWN military HQ only to go to war within a year? Those two contradict themselves.but ill ask you this y did we go to war with iraq 911-iraq-oil
I asked this earlier, but since you have been busy I'll ask again.

Are we talking about multiple US Congresses and Presidential administrations going back to 1979 or before?i dont understand what you mean what are you asking ?
I know its a bit out of context now but you were unable to answer earlier.

I'm asking how far back does cover up go, and how many people have to know about the efforts and not say anything about it over how many years.im not sure how far it goes in years but they happen i say this money is power and they can shut up any one :rotfl:
I agree with you that everyone has their price. My point, if you would indulge me, is that the number of people that would have to be involved in the conspiracy/cover-up/on going story, out weighs any reasonable credibility. Just too many people are in the position to know the 'truth' and not say a word about what they know. Not that it is impossible but it is surely unlikey.i think it is just look at battleship yamato that was done with tons of people or the the manhattan project.

[Tchocky]

Is the internet cable plugged in?

seems to be

every other site works for some odd reason subsim wont work,

[elite_hunter_sh3]

ok to answer most questions asked by AWSnut101

1. the reason why we dont know who actually did it is because the government wont release anything i mean if i was covering up the greatest conspiracy ever recorded that resulted in the deaths of over 3000 people would i release it so i get sent to jail and probably executed and start a global war?? i wouldnt release it if my life depended on it. theres the situation with the american government.

btw pentagon and WTC are related jeez how could ask a question like that, they were both targets, and were both locations of the deaths of many people. i included the wtc in this topic because 1. more people died in the wtc then in the pentagon, 2. since the wtc was a economic building and if the wtc wasnt attacked there would be no economic impact like there was. the wtc was the pinnicale of the conspiracy of the 9/11 because it took them alot of resources to bring down the worlds tallest buildings.

edit* its back some glitch i guess

[waste gate]

And even then, Please explain to me why our government would destroy our OWN, most valuable buildings economy wise, and launch a missile at our OWN military HQ only to go to war within a year? Those two contradict themselves.but ill ask you this y did we go to war with iraq 911-iraq-oil
I asked this earlier, but since you have been busy I'll ask again.

Are we talking about multiple US Congresses and Presidential administrations going back to 1979 or before?i dont understand what you mean what are you asking ?
I know its a bit out of context now but you were unable to answer earlier.

I'm asking how far back does cover up go, and how many people have to know about the efforts and not say anything about it over how many years.im not sure how far it goes in years but they happen i say this money is power and they can shut up any one :rotfl:
I agree with you that everyone has their price. My point, if you would indulge me, is that the number of people that would have to be involved in the conspiracy/cover-up/on going story, out weighs any reasonable credibility. Just too many people are in the position to know the 'truth' and not say a word about what they know. Not that it is impossible but it is surely unlikey.i think it is just look at battleship yamato that was done with tons of people or the the manhattan project.

I'm sorry to say the numbers are not close.

[nelson1985]

And even then, Please explain to me why our government would destroy our OWN, most valuable buildings economy wise, and launch a missile at our OWN military HQ only to go to war within a year? Those two contradict themselves.but ill ask you this y did we go to war with iraq 911-iraq-oil
I asked this earlier, but since you have been busy I'll ask again.

Are we talking about multiple US Congresses and Presidential administrations going back to 1979 or before?i dont understand what you mean what are you asking ?
I know its a bit out of context now but you were unable to answer earlier.

I'm asking how far back does cover up go, and how many people have to know about the efforts and not say anything about it over how many years.im not sure how far it goes in years but they happen i say this money is power and they can shut up any one :rotfl:
I agree with you that everyone has their price. My point, if you would indulge me, is that the number of people that would have to be involved in the conspiracy/cover-up/on going story, out weighs any reasonable credibility. Just too many people are in the position to know the 'truth' and not say a word about what they know. Not that it is impossible but it is surely unlikey.i think it is just look at battleship yamato that was done with tons of people or the the manhattan project.
I'm sorry to say the numbers are not close.true but im just trying to make a point here not debate statistics.

[Tchocky]

1. the reason why we dont know who actually did it is because the government wont release anything i mean if i was covering up the greatest conspiracy ever recorded that resulted in the deaths of over 3000 people would i release it so i get sent to jail and probably executed and start a global war?? i wouldnt release it if my life depended on it. theres the situation with the american government.

Abysmal reasoning. Absence of admission isn't proof of guilt.

(waste gate and nelson: for crying out loud edit the quotes out of your replies, ye are mostly taking up acres of space for a one-sentence reply)

[ASWnut101]

ok to answer most questions asked by AWSnut101

1. the reason why we dont know who actually did it is because the government wont release anything i mean if i was covering up the greatest conspiracy ever recorded that resulted in the deaths of over 3000 people would i release it so i get sent to jail and probably executed and start a global war?? i wouldnt release it if my life depended on it. theres the situation with the american government.

btw pentagon and WTC are related jeez how could ask a question like that, they were both targets, and were both locations of the deaths of many people. i included the wtc in this topic because 1. more people died in the wtc then in the pentagon, 2. since the wtc was a economic building and if the wtc wasnt attacked there would be no economic impact like there was. the wtc was the pinnicale of the conspiracy of the 9/11 because it took them alot of resources to bring down the worlds tallest buildings.

edit* its back some glitch i guess

how do you know that the government isn't telling you the truth?

[nelson1985]

since when was it ever good to trust government?

[elite_hunter_sh3]

And even then, Please explain to me why our government would destroy our OWN, most valuable buildings economy wise, and launch a missile at our OWN military HQ only to go to war within a year? Those two contradict themselves.

asw if you can get into the cia and release all those documents and tapes that were never released then god bless you. if you cant then take the cold hard reality of 9/11 and accept it.


ook governments can do anything these days especially the US. they had the balls to kill a few thousand people bring down the wtc buildings. if everyone here watches every second of that movie i posted earlier it explains every single little nook cranny detail on how the towers fell and why, it shows building 7 clearly standing and and it being brought down in a controlle implosion.


another thing is this there was a 20hr out of control open air fire on a hotel that was going on for 20 hrs and the metal didnt fail,(ref. video) now the fires in the wtc went on for 19 min then the towers collapsed. taking into the effect of the initial impact, which most of the energy was diffused when the buildings which where designed to sway after an impact did infact sway.

[elite_hunter_sh3]

ok to answer most questions asked by AWSnut101

1. the reason why we dont know who actually did it is because the government wont release anything i mean if i was covering up the greatest conspiracy ever recorded that resulted in the deaths of over 3000 people would i release it so i get sent to jail and probably executed and start a global war?? i wouldnt release it if my life depended on it. theres the situation with the american government.

btw pentagon and WTC are related jeez how could ask a question like that, they were both targets, and were both locations of the deaths of many people. i included the wtc in this topic because 1. more people died in the wtc then in the pentagon, 2. since the wtc was a economic building and if the wtc wasnt attacked there would be no economic impact like there was. the wtc was the pinnicale of the conspiracy of the 9/11 because it took them alot of resources to bring down the worlds tallest buildings.

edit* its back some glitch i guess
how do you know that the government isn't telling you the truth?
because of physical scientific evidence proving thouroughly on how the 9/11 attacks really happened.

edit* boy o boy has this thread grown fast

[Tchocky]

ook governments can do anything these days especially the US. they had the balls to kill a few thousand people bring down the wtc buildings. if everyone here watches every second of that movie i posted earlier it explains every single little nook cranny detail on how the towers fell and why, it shows building 7 clearly standing and and it being brought down in a controlle implosion.

How in God's name does that prove that the government was responsible?

[waste gate]

And even then, Please explain to me why our government would destroy our OWN, most valuable buildings economy wise, and launch a missile at our OWN military HQ only to go to war within a year? Those two contradict themselves.but ill ask you this y did we go to war with iraq 911-iraq-oil
I asked this earlier, but since you have been busy I'll ask again.

Are we talking about multiple US Congresses and Presidential administrations going back to 1979 or before?i dont understand what you mean what are you asking ?
I know its a bit out of context now but you were unable to answer earlier.

I'm asking how far back does cover up go, and how many people have to know about the efforts and not say anything about it over how many years.im not sure how far it goes in years but they happen i say this money is power and they can shut up any one :rotfl:
I agree with you that everyone has their price. My point, if you would indulge me, is that the number of people that would have to be involved in the conspiracy/cover-up/on going story, out weighs any reasonable credibility. Just too many people are in the position to know the 'truth' and not say a word about what they know. Not that it is impossible but it is surely unlikey.i think it is just look at battleship yamato that was done with tons of people or the the manhattan project.
I'm sorry to say the numbers are not close.true but im just trying to make a point here not debate statistics.

Perhaps if you would clearly state your point all would be willing to address your point and give altenatives. Then all would be good.

I congratulate you on allowing every one to disagree with you and standing your ground. Good on ya!!!

[baggygreen]

METAL MELTS AT 2600 F normal open air fires cannot burn that hot only explosives/thermite can melt steel PLZ WATCH THE VIDEO ASWnut 101
melting point proof:http://education.jlab.org/qa/meltingpoint_01.html
JET A-1
Flash point (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_point): 38 °C
Autoignition temperature: 210 °C
Freezing point: -47 °C (-40 °C for JET A)
Open air burning (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_burn) temperatures: 260-315 °C (500-599 °F)
Maximum burning temperature: 980 °C (1796 °F)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_fuel

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...12003&hl=en-GB (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6708190071483512003&hl=en-GB) and it will explain the fires and the metal and fuel an impactsOOOOO nice, we have figures for the melting point of steel. Im impressed. Hell it even came from that font of all knowledge, wikipedia.:up:

What im less impressed with is the ignorance shown.

The melting point of steel is yes, around 2500 or 2600 degrees. That does NOT mean that up until that point, the alloy is impervious to any sort of damage. 2600 (taking the upper limit) is where it becomes molten. At lesser temperatures, the steel is weakened! all of a sudden, you've got weakened steel holding up 30 floors.. its not so tough to believe that fire weakened the structural integrity of the steel now, is it???

As for that feature-length video, well i turned it off after about 15 minutes.
"If glass, steel and concrete dont burn, what fed the fire?" Hmm let me think. WTC. lots of accounting and other financial firms. what do all firms dealing with money have in common? they like paper, and lots of it.

Lets think, what else is in an office block? carpet? desks? chairs? how about curtains, too?

That, as well as the 'boom boom' that they loved going on about, led me to turn it off because it was clear they were looking for anything at all. when the camera they replayed over and over panned up to the tower, you could see that it had already begun collapsing, before the boom boom. as for the boom boom being explosions, dont you think that large areas of floor falling a few metres each time wouldve made just a bit of noise??:know:

[nelson1985]

also Silverstein ship the steel to china and had them destroyed

[nelson1985]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEc0d-juRg0

[August]

ook governments can do anything these days especially the US. they had the balls to kill a few thousand people bring down the wtc buildings. if everyone here watches every second of that movie i posted earlier it explains every single little nook cranny detail on how the towers fell and why, it shows building 7 clearly standing and and it being brought down in a controlle implosion.
How in God's name does that prove that the government was responsible?

It doesn't. Nor does it explain why a government that "can do anything these days" including pulling off "the greatest conspiracy ever recorded" can't silence some nut conspiracy theorist. Bottom line here is he doesn't know what he's talking about.

He's proof of PT Barnums famous quote about suckers being born every minute. Y'see he wants to believe, therefore he will cling to any half baked theory that comes along.

[baggygreen]

also Silverstein ship the steel to china and had them destroyedperhaps it could be done cheaper there than in the states, including shipping costs? Thus far, each argument you n elite have put forward is able to be refuted.

[elite_hunter_sh3]

plus he got a few billion dollars off the lives of over a few thousand people. btw watch the whole video and you will learn not every bit of information is in the first 15 min jeez.

Edit* can you please refute the evidence in the video then?

[baggygreen]

i told you, the sheer desperation shown by the film-makers warrants no further viewing. They're grasping at straws, and very very thin ones at that!

*Edit: i just refuted 2 points made within 15 mins. that would statistically make for 6 large points, all of them easily explained without conspiracy throughout the length of the film if they're as flimsy as the first 2.

[elite_hunter_sh3]

i told you, the sheer desperation shown by the film-makers warrants no further viewing. They're grasping at straws, and very very thin ones at that!

then why would the filmmaker remortgage her house and sell almost everything she has to make this film.

[baggygreen]

i told you, the sheer desperation shown by the film-makers warrants no further viewing. They're grasping at straws, and very very thin ones at that!

then why would the filmmaker remortgage her house and sell almost everything she has to make this film.perhaps to gain 15 minutes of fame, in the hope of being given a film in hollywood? a lot more likely than you may think.


Or....


maybe she sold up house so that the cia and "kgb" who were responsible cant find her anymore!111!!!one!!eleven!:roll:

[nelson1985]

i told you, the sheer desperation shown by the film-makers warrants no further viewing. They're grasping at straws, and very very thin ones at that!

*Edit: i just refuted 2 points made within 15 mins. that would statistically make for 6 large points, all of them easily explained without conspiracy throughout the length of the film if they're as flimsy as the first 2.oh like are news:rotfl:

[joea]

i told you, the sheer desperation shown by the film-makers warrants no further viewing. They're grasping at straws, and very very thin ones at that!
then why would the filmmaker remortgage her house and sell almost everything she has to make this film.

Can you answer my question earlier to you dood, if a plane didn't hit the Pentagon what happened to AA Flight 77 and its passengers? Don't you think answering that question or finding some evidence of where it went would go a long way to proving a government conspiracy? :doh:

[elite_hunter_sh3]

all that i know from scientific evidence which i believe rather then a warmongering stupid government heade by a useless ape, is that 9/11 was ochestrated, i cana dmit it obviously sucks for the familes of the lost ones, and it sucks that 3000 people died, what pisses me off if the government was involved with it and they dont want to admit to the deaths of over 3000 people. and what about the hijackers give me proof that they are dead and not alive???

[joea]

You didn't answer the question, what happened to Flight 77 then??

I'll keep asking it til you give me a straight answer. :nope:

[ASWnut101]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEc0d-juRg0

I never knew this guy had lazer-thermometer eyes...:roll: Can you tell me how you can 'see' the difference in temperature on metal? (being 550 degrees or 1500 degrees) And besides, You cant see anything but steamy looking stuff coming from the metal. I don't see anything that is literally "red-hot." He sure dosen't look like a figherfighter to me, either. Just who is he?

[nelson1985]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEc0d-juRg0
I never knew this guy had lazer-thermometer eyes...:roll: Can you tell me how you can 'see' the difference in temperature on metal? (being 550 degrees or 1500 degrees) And besides, You cant see anything but steamy looking stuff coming from the metal. I don't see anything that is literally "red-hot." He sure dosen't look like a figherfighter to me, either. Just who is he?but he was there and you was not so.

[ASWnut101]

Joea, I'll be amazed if they do answer! They have been doing this for the past five pages of this thread.

[ASWnut101]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEc0d-juRg0
I never knew this guy had lazer-thermometer eyes...:roll: Can you tell me how you can 'see' the difference in temperature on metal? (being 550 degrees or 1500 degrees) And besides, You cant see anything but steamy looking stuff coming from the metal. I don't see anything that is literally "red-hot." He sure dosen't look like a figherfighter to me, either. Just who is he?but he was there and you was not so.

And that makes him correct? So if I were (not was) there, I could say "it looks to be about 300 degrees" and you would belive me?

[elite_hunter_sh3]

i told you, the sheer desperation shown by the film-makers warrants no further viewing. They're grasping at straws, and very very thin ones at that!
then why would the filmmaker remortgage her house and sell almost everything she has to make this film.
Can you answer my question earlier to you dood, if a plane didn't hit the Pentagon what happened to AA Flight 77 and its passengers? Don't you think answering that question or finding some evidence of where it went would go a long way to proving a government conspiracy? :doh:


http://judicial-inc.biz/Dov_Zakheim_Fl_77.htm

[ASWnut101]

you have got to be joking...:rotfl:

[nelson1985]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEc0d-juRg0
I never knew this guy had lazer-thermometer eyes...:roll: Can you tell me how you can 'see' the difference in temperature on metal? (being 550 degrees or 1500 degrees) And besides, You cant see anything but steamy looking stuff coming from the metal. I don't see anything that is literally "red-hot." He sure dosen't look like a figherfighter to me, either. Just who is he?but he was there and you was not so.
And that makes him correct? So if I were (not was) there, I could say "it looks to be about 300 degrees" and you would belive me?point taking but you calling him a lier now? just because you dont see it in the video does not mean its there.

[elite_hunter_sh3]

i told you, the sheer desperation shown by the film-makers warrants no further viewing. They're grasping at straws, and very very thin ones at that!
then why would the filmmaker remortgage her house and sell almost everything she has to make this film.
Can you answer my question earlier to you dood, if a plane didn't hit the Pentagon what happened to AA Flight 77 and its passengers? Don't you think answering that question or finding some evidence of where it went would go a long way to proving a government conspiracy? :doh:

http://judicial-inc.biz/Dov_Zakheim_Fl_77.htm


theres still more internet acting up again so stfu and wait patiently like any normal human being

[baggygreen]

Lets be nice, we shouldnt go clouding their arguments with facts now, should we..

[nelson1985]

Lets be nice, we shouldnt go clouding their arguments with facts now, should we..the facts made by are government you mean?:rotfl:

[baggygreen]

i told you, the sheer desperation shown by the film-makers warrants no further viewing. They're grasping at straws, and very very thin ones at that!
then why would the filmmaker remortgage her house and sell almost everything she has to make this film.
Can you answer my question earlier to you dood, if a plane didn't hit the Pentagon what happened to AA Flight 77 and its passengers? Don't you think answering that question or finding some evidence of where it went would go a long way to proving a government conspiracy? :doh:

http://judicial-inc.biz/Dov_Zakheim_Fl_77.htm


theres still more internet acting up again so stfu and wait patiently like any normal human beinglol

mate, that video proves nothing, and is full of speculation and garbage.

"remote controlled sabreliner"? :rotfl:

[ASWnut101]

You trust some random guy wearing a firefighters helmet saying "oohh! this looks like it's 2000 degrees!"


I'm not calling him a liar (not lier), I'm just saying that he's probably WAY off on his "readings" And if i cannot see the "red-hot"ness, why did you even post the video?

[nelson1985]

i bet some of you still believe theres weapons of mass destruction in iraq:rotfl:

[Dowly]

It´s not actually hard to estimate metal´s temperature by looking at it´s color. ;)

[nelson1985]

You trust some random guy wearing a firefighters helmet saying "oohh! this looks like it's 2000 degrees!"


I'm not calling him a liar (not lier), I'm just saying that he's probably WAY off on his "readings" And if i cannot see the "red-hot"ness, why did you even post the video?lol are you a fire fighter?

[baggygreen]

Lets be nice, we shouldnt go clouding their arguments with facts now, should we..the facts made by are government you mean?:rotfl:I mean facts that are common-sense. Facts that the media released live through video footage. facts such as a passenger jet, not a frigging military plane, flew into the tower. facts such as the pentagon being reinforced to withstand an attack by the soviets, and as such suffering relatively light damage. facts such as if it happened the way you claim, there would still be thousands of people who would know the "truth" and there would be absolutely nothing stopping any one of them making it known. :roll:

[ASWnut101]

i bet some of you still believe theres weapons of mass destruction in iraq:rotfl:

was that really nessasary? Nice argument.

you know what, I bet that you think that Pres. Bush personally donned a wetsuit, blew up the New Orleans levy's, all under the cover of, not a hurricanne, but a top secret CIA Rainmaking Operation!:shifty: :roll:

[nelson1985]

http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2001/ofr-01-0429/hotspot.key.tgif.gif

[baggygreen]

You trust some random guy wearing a firefighters helmet saying "oohh! this looks like it's 2000 degrees!"


I'm not calling him a liar (not lier), I'm just saying that he's probably WAY off on his "readings" And if i cannot see the "red-hot"ness, why did you even post the video?lol are you a fire fighter?If he is or if he isnt is irrelevant. im sorry but in that video, this bloke seems to posess a skill that im sure a lot of people would kill for. one that is, how to say it, impossible?

[ASWnut101]

You trust some random guy wearing a firefighters helmet saying "oohh! this looks like it's 2000 degrees!"


I'm not calling him a liar (not lier), I'm just saying that he's probably WAY off on his "readings" And if i cannot see the "red-hot"ness, why did you even post the video?lol are you a fire fighter?

heh, 'lol' are YOU?

[ASWnut101]

It´s not actually hard to estimate metal´s temperature by looking at it´s color. ;)

ahh, but did you see any color besides gray and silver?

[nelson1985]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExrVgioIXvk

[Dowly]

It´s not actually hard to estimate metal´s temperature by looking at it´s color. ;)
ahh, but did you see any color besides gray and silver?

On that vid? Nope! :rotfl:

[ASWnut101]

http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2001/ofr-01-0429/hotspot.key.tgif.gif


what was that, a MSpaint job?

[elite_hunter_sh3]

i bet some of you still believe theres weapons of mass destruction in iraq:rotfl:
was that really nessasary? Nice argument.

you know what, I bet that you and Elite_Hunter think that Pres. Bush personally donned a wetsuit, blew up the New Orleans levy's, all under the cover of, not a hurricanne, but a top secret CIA Rainmaking Operation!:shifty: :roll:

errm i didnt say anything on new orleans. what are you smoking??:roll:

[ASWnut101]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExrVgioIXvk

nice, why would a thermite charge be placed at the EDGE of a building?

[ASWnut101]

i bet some of you still believe theres weapons of mass destruction in iraq:rotfl:
was that really nessasary? Nice argument.

you know what, I bet that you and Elite_Hunter think that Pres. Bush personally donned a wetsuit, blew up the New Orleans levy's, all under the cover of, not a hurricanne, but a top secret CIA Rainmaking Operation!:shifty: :roll:

errm i didnt say anything on new orleans. what are you smoking??:roll:

Yeah, and nobody here said anything on WMD's in Iraq.

But I'll edit your name out of it.

[nelson1985]

You trust some random guy wearing a firefighters helmet saying "oohh! this looks like it's 2000 degrees!"


I'm not calling him a liar (not lier), I'm just saying that he's probably WAY off on his "readings" And if i cannot see the "red-hot"ness, why did you even post the video?lol are you a fire fighter?
heh, 'lol' are YOU?hell no but ill take his word over yours since he is a fire fighter and was there.:rotfl:

[ASWnut101]

how do you know he's a firefighter? He's got a hat?

[nelson1985]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExrVgioIXvk
nice, why would a thermite charge be placed at the EDGE of a building?not sure ask are government :p

[nelson1985]

how do you know he's a firefighter? He's got a hat?lmao ok his just a random person they let in at ground zero lmao.

[ASWnut101]

So again, what the heck was the purpose of that post? How do you know it even is a thermite charge?

[baggygreen]

So again, what the heck was the purpose of that post? How do you know it even is a thermite charge?cuz thats what the government would use to destroy one of their most important buildings and kill thousands of their own people, duh...:doh: :roll:


ahhahahhahahha my vote is for elite and nelson to get themselves a tv show, itd be a comedy hit!:rotfl:

[nelson1985]

wouSo again, what the heck was the purpose of that post? How do you know it even is a thermite charge?would you like to say is the fire burn so hot that it melted the steel to lava :rotfl:

[nelson1985]

So again, what the heck was the purpose of that post? How do you know it even is a thermite charge?cuz thats what the government would use to destroy one of their most important buildings and kill thousands of their own people, duh...:doh: :roll:


ahhahahhahahha my vote is for elite and nelson to get themselves a tv show, itd be a comedy hit!:rotfl:put me on fox and you got a deal:rotfl:

[elite_hunter_sh3]

So again, what the heck was the purpose of that post? How do you know it even is a thermite charge?


http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc_charges.html

[ASWnut101]

how do you know he's a firefighter? He's got a hat?lmao ok his just a random person they let in at ground zero lmao.


Ok, where did that video come from originally? I dosen't say. you just take the assumption that it was from ground zero, even though the camera man was let onto the site.

[ASWnut101]

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc_charges.html

ahh, so now it's det-cord, not thermite charges! nice move.

[ASWnut101]

wouSo again, what the heck was the purpose of that post? How do you know it even is a thermite charge?would you like to say is the fire burn so hot that it melted the steel to lava :rotfl:

How do you know it's steel that's buring and not something else displaced by the explosion.

[nelson1985]

how do you know he's a firefighter? He's got a hat?lmao ok his just a random person they let in at ground zero lmao.

Ok, where did that video come from originally? I dosen't say. you just take the assumption that it was from ground zero, even though the camera man was let onto the site.wait now your thinking thats not ground zero?

[ASWnut101]

NO. rearead my post carfully. I'm saying, who was the camera man and why was he let on the site to film this paticullar man?

[nelson1985]

NO. rearead my post carfully. I'm saying, who was the camera man and why was he let on the site to film this paticullar man?news?

[elite_hunter_sh3]

ASW go nuts here ya go

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wrh_9-11_index.html

look through everything if you want. now personally i dont give a **** considering you dont rely on scientific evidence, you rather believe ur "government", sadly i think the reason is that you are from the "southern pride" part of the usa, btw how is the south?? still drunks with guns down there or has that changed??


take a science course in a adult college and learn physics and chemistry then come back and say your "facts" on steel, metal and melting points and impacts.

[nelson1985]

ASW go nuts here ya go

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wrh_9-11_index.html

look through everything if you want. now personally i dont give a **** considering you dont rely on scientific evidence, you rather believe ur "government", sadly i think the reason is that you are from the "southern pride" part of the usa, btw how is the south?? still drunks with guns down there or has that changed??


take a science course in a adult college and learn physics and chemistry then come back and say your "facts" on steel, metal and melting points and impacts.i wonder if asw voted for George W. Bush:hmm:

[baggygreen]

have you dont that elite? are you an engineer with a background in physics and chemistry, not to mention mettalurgy?

I have studied all 3. not to any depth enough to call myself an expert, but i understand the basic principles.

I suggest you and nelson go back and read the avon lady's links.

[nelson1985]

have you dont that elite? are you an engineer with a background in physics and chemistry, not to mention mettalurgy?

I have studied all 3. not to any depth enough to call myself an expert, but i understand the basic principles.

I suggest you and nelson go back and read the avon lady's links.yes im sure you did ;)

[nelson1985]

hey ASWnut101 y dont you use your ASW to find the truth instead of debating me about it.:rotfl:

[baggygreen]

have you dont that elite? are you an engineer with a background in physics and chemistry, not to mention mettalurgy?

I have studied all 3. not to any depth enough to call myself an expert, but i understand the basic principles.

I suggest you and nelson go back and read the avon lady's links.yes im sure you did ;)Perhaps you'd like me to rummage through my papers for my old results, and then scan them onto my computer so that i can upload them for you? would that suffice? how about me getting a copy of all my scores from the AST centre and uploading them for your benefit as well?

Or would they just be more evidence of a multinational conspiracy?

[nelson1985]

have you dont that elite? are you an engineer with a background in physics and chemistry, not to mention mettalurgy?

I have studied all 3. not to any depth enough to call myself an expert, but i understand the basic principles.

I suggest you and nelson go back and read the avon lady's links.yes im sure you did ;)Perhaps you'd like me to rummage through my papers for my old results, and then scan them onto my computer so that i can upload them for you? would that suffice? how about me getting a copy of all my scores from the AST centre and uploading them for your benefit as well?

Or would they just be more evidence of a multinational conspiracy?i can do the same thing just give me in hour for i can look for some in google:rotfl:

[nelson1985]

have you dont that elite? are you an engineer with a background in physics and chemistry, not to mention mettalurgy?

I have studied all 3. not to any depth enough to call myself an expert, but i understand the basic principles.

I suggest you and nelson go back and read the avon lady's links.yes im sure you did ;)Perhaps you'd like me to rummage through my papers for my old results, and then scan them onto my computer so that i can upload them for you? would that suffice? how about me getting a copy of all my scores from the AST centre and uploading them for your benefit as well?

Or would they just be more evidence of a multinational conspiracy?i can do the same thing just give me in hour for i can look for some in google:rotfl:photoshop works good to:yep:

[baggygreen]

thats my point, you wouldnt believe it even if i did post em up. cos its all a lie, everything is a lie.

i dont use photoshop, by the way, i dont edit enough images to warrant it. besides, when i used it back at school it was cumbersone in my opinion, and like i said, i dont edit enough images to warrant having it.

You know, you're sorta losin out a lot of credibility. by discounting, before i even produce it, evidence that shows i did indeed study these subjects you're merely showing that you're not willing to accept anything that any of us produce as factual. In essence, youre trolling for a reaction and you're too narrowminded to listen to what anyone else has to say. You wont revise your opinion regardless of what is laid out before you, and that mate, is a terrible quality.