Buy Silent Hunter 4

[DanCanovas]

just a quick message to ask everyone to buy this game and get your mates to buy the game too as oppose to getting the game illegally or copied. I know 99% of you would buy the game anyway but the more money made from this game and the more successful it is, the better we get in the future!

If your gonna buy any game then support all future sub sims by buying this one!

:up:

[Iron Budokan]

I have every intention of buying the game and not getting a copy illegally. :up:

[Godalmighty83]

i certainly wont get this game illegal but until i get some sort of aknowledgement from ubi that they are aware that british subs were in ww2 iant gonna buy sh4 either.

[Boris]

I'm sure they know the brits had subs too:doh:

But Ubi understandably has to make games that sell...

[DanCanovas]

im british and i dont feel short changed that there are no British subs! the campaign by British subs was considerably smaller than the German U-boat campaign or the US campaign in the pacific. I just feel glad we are getting quality sub sims. could be worse! we might have bugger all or be in the same dire straights as the flight sim genre!

[Respenus]

I don't buy many games, but I'm sure I'll buy this one. :up:

[DanCanovas]

Silent Hunter 3 was a great success for the genre and brought in fresh blood...im sure this contributed to the production of its successor. 5 will be even better :up:

[AJ!]

Does raiding a game store in a balaclava count as illegal?

[JU_88]

@ DanCanovas: Already preordered it mate :D

Though I must addmit my copy of SH3 was pre-owned. So i didnt contribute to its sales figures. :down:

[mw2000]

I hope the sales of this game goes well because:-

Q: TheRealPotoroo: Will there be an updated Destroyer Command that it will be compatible with?
A: It's certainly a possibility that we are considering. But in any case, it won't be an updated version of Destroyer Command, but rather a completely new game with similar design and technology improvements as SH3 was over 2.

I WANT A DESTROYER COMMAND GAME next so save some money now and buy it in March :yep:

[Seeadler]

I will test it myself by a rental from my local video/game store before a purchase because I do not trust Ubisoft and its marketing concept and game support for European customers since a longer period.

[mapuc]

just a quick message to ask everyone to buy this game and get your mates to buy the game too as oppose to getting the game illegally or copied. I know 99% of you would buy the game anyway but the more money made from this game and the more successful it is, the better we get in the future!

If your gonna buy any game then support all future sub sims by buying this one!

:up:

A couple of years ago, a survey in a swedish newspaper showed that about 80 % had got illegal games from the internet.

I will for sure buy this game(legal) but I'll NOT buy it when it reach the shelf. First about ½ to a year after. Why? I don't know how things works in your countries, but here a game cost about 25 to 30 % more than it should.

A friend of mine, who has/had a computer store said once

-There will always be jerks. Produce a lowprice game. make a commercial with some famouse person e.g britney and I promise you that there will be people sleeping in tents infront of the store. Instead of taking 10 $ for this game as it's should cost you can take an overprice...let say 50 dollars.

I'm not saying that piracy is ok, but I wish that some people would calm down a little and not rushing to the store a soon a game come out.

Markus

[fredbass]

Just remember the amount of sales effect what kind of limits UBI puts on the developer.

So consequently the dev team only got a year to develop. The financial success dictates the amount of resources and time.

So don't complain if you don't buy.

[Jimbuna]

Just remember the amount of sales effect what kind of limits UBI puts on the developer.

So consequently the dev team only got a year to develop. The financial success dictates the amount of resources and time.

So don't complain if you don't buy.

Precisely :yep: :up:

[Shiplord]

I will also not buy it on the release day, but likewise rent it a few days from a gamestore to test it over to see whether it fulfills my expectation. Ubisoft disappointed me the last few months so much with incomplete and not playable games and a hotline support which cannot help.

[Boris]

If we don't buy it (and soon after release at full price), it will send the wrong message to Ubi. It will kill, or at least castrate the Silent Hunter franchise. This is not the mass produced over-commercialised stuff like COD or Battlefied, I couldn't care less if people pirate that. Some games deserve to be bought though, and SH4 is one of those games that needs the support of the fans just to exist.

[DanCanovas]

i couldnt have put it any better Boris

[Frenssen]

I will buy it when I get a new computer in the house. But I suspect I will play SH3 for a while until the modders have done their work with SH4. It will be interesting to test the American boats and equipment anyway.

[DanCanovas]

my history on the pacific war is a bit rusty so this gives me the ideal excuse to buy a few books and prepare :D

[Jimbuna]

May I recommend Silent Victory by Clay Blair, Dan....I had to order it from the US but believe me it's worth every penny :rock: :up:

[stabiz]

If we don't buy it (and soon after release at full price), it will send the wrong message to Ubi. It will kill, or at least castrate the Silent Hunter franchise. This is not the mass produced over-commercialised stuff like COD or Battlefied, I couldn't care less if people pirate that. Some games deserve to be bought though, and SH4 is one of those games that needs the support of the fans just to exist.

So, so, true. I believe in supporting things I like, so I`m getting this the moment it hits the shelves, bugs or no bugs. If its really bad (which I frankly dont think it will be), the modders will make it right.

Its not like we wave-junkies have several titles to choose from.

[DanCanovas]

ok thanks jim ill have a look! :up:

[FIREWALL]

Boris made a very good point. And i'd like to take it a step further
that, with these game consoles ? x=box ,ps2 ps3 .Not real familiar
with the high priced beasts. BUT to me Low Sales = Less PC games.
I don't see it happening soon but I don't have to tell anyone that 5 years in
the computer world can be a lifetime.

So buy SH4 as soon as you can And buy it from SubSim if you can. :up:

[edjcox]

As of this evening the SUBSIM link to purchase is a dead end with the title unavailable sticker.

Neal stated he's trying to fix this Monday when they are open for business again.

We can sit on our Credit Cards till then. The Amazon rep told Neal the titles would be the same as UBISOFT's pre-order box. I hope he confirms that with someone other than the person that told him the Amazon pre-order link was up and OK..

If you like this Genre of game and enjoy the community especially the many varied and unique Mods SHIII has had done. The SHIV game ought to be stellar. Your purchase and support will lead to more gameplay and future improvements.....

Till Monday night when I'll check and pre-order if the time is right....


:smug:

[Hartmann]

i will buy this game with no excuse , in spain it cost only 20 euros, :rock:
a succes in sales ensure future developments :hmm:

[DanCanovas]

definately hartmann. its hardly going to break the bank! anyone would thing you'r buying a car the way some people talk :rotfl:

[fredbass]

One other thing: It might be possible for UBI to extend the amount of work which the devs are doing if there is a good number of Pre-Orders made.

I don't know for sure, but it sounds possible to me. :)

[Chief of the Boat]

Mine's been 'on order' for a while. Looking forward to it... and the subsequent 'developments'. If it is 'protected', as SH3 is...I'll be buying a second copy later, hopefully at a lesser price, from the USN Exchange.

COB

[AJ!]

This seems kind of fruitless..... from the looks of it not much confidence is put in SH4 at the moment. This thread gives off the impression that if we subsimmers dont buy the game strait away all is lost and subsims will end.

Point is SH4 will only succeed if the masses take an interest, and that doesnt just happen over night. The game wont die if it doesnt sell out on the first day. People can go out and buy the game when they please as long as they eventualy do.

I think its great though that people buy through Subsim to keep it up and running. In my time here theres been a really mature community and some great news updates :p

Saying all this though, theres no doubt il be grabbing a copy the first day it comes out :up:

[Chief of the Boat]

...from the looks of it not much confidence is put in SH4 at the moment. This thread gives off the impression that if we subsimmers dont buy the game strait away all is lost and subsims will end.

====================

Oh, I don't feel that way at all. I have a lot of confidence in the final Pacific Theater(re) game.

It just seemed the right thing to do to join the 'Rah-Rah' party ....

COB

[DanCanovas]

i feel extremely positive. this things going to be great!!

[SeniorSpan]

G'day,

I agree and already pre-oreded a copy. And I remember when SH first came out, by SSI, I bought a copy and played it under Win98 til the 1's and 0's came off the CD. IMHO SH was well worth the purchase price then and I believe the same is true of SH4 now.

I do have this obsevation: SH xx is a WWII sub simulator; for the most part there were 3 nations operating at the deepths. With todays advances in hardware and software I would think it possible to produce a game, such as SH, that give the player the option of selecting the nation (of the three in this case) her/she chooses to be a subcommander.

Or is that ahead of the time thinking?

[Jimbuna]

With todays advances in hardware and software I would think it possible to produce a game, such as SH, that give the player the option of selecting the nation (of the three in this case) her/she chooses to be a subcommander.

Now that would be utopia for me :rock:

[_Seth_]

Atleast, pre-ordered from www.amazon.co.uk (and they ship to the cold north too..:up:). Now it is just the waiting time.....:nope:

[Navarre]

I never pre-order unseen games since two years, too much disappointments in the past, particularly with Ubisoft games and their customer support after the release.

No demo or other way to test a game ... no buy, plain simple! The good thing is, here in Germany 98% of all new games can be be borrowed from video/dvd dealers and often already 2 days before the official shop release. That protected me often in the past, that games in which I actually interested, only collect dust on my shelf because I blindly bought it e.g. like Silent Hunter III.

[DanCanovas]

for myself and many on here, your buying more than a game. your supporting a hobby!

[Boris]

Well I've already pre-ordered mine from amazon. I don't think I'm going to be dissappointed. I loved SH3, and SH4 is shaping up to be better... so nothing to lose really. I mean, I'm going to buy the game sooner or later. I can't imagine any scenario under which I don't buy the game... unless all that has been reported about the game is untrue.

[Navarre]

your supporting a hobby!
You are right, my hobby is online gaming, I played DC vs. SHII in the past (only DC, subs never excite me much) and today some other popular online games within a MP clan. Singleplayer don't interest me in first place, therefor I plan to test SHIV about its online gameplay before I made a decision to purchase it.

[rik007]

I Bought them all, so why skipping part IV? We should all buy it as we need to make sure that future investments will be done. Maybe we get an Atlantic update. We should once get a version with Wolfpacks? Will that ever happen? Let's make sure there will be a SH-V with that.

[bookworm_020]

If your going to buy a copy, use the link through the subsim website! Then Subsim cets some extra income at no cost to you!:rock:

If you are like me, living in a country that isn't covered by the Amazon links, give a small donation to the site. It's your site as well so if you want it to stay, support it!:up:

[BH]

I'll eventually buy it ...However, there is a lesson that can be learned by waiting untill patches and mods are released to make it a complete game. SH3 out of the box and unmodded to me was worthless. When it was patched and modded to TGW it became great.

[flintlock]

SH3 out of the box and unmodded to me was worthless.I'll concede their were challenges on initial release (some were never properly addressed: patched, modded or otherwise). Though while not perfect, it was still a very playable game out of the box and far from "worthless."

[Boris]

To be honest, stock SH3 gripped me right away. The graphics were pretty awesome, and it was the first U-boot game I had ever had the urge to play. Granted I knew very little about subs back then, and might have been happy within my ignorance. But I got addicted to it from the get go, and the subsequent mods, and my eventual participation in them kept me hooked. Looking forward to SH4 more than ever now. from what I've gathered so far, it looks to be far more playable than stock SH3 was. It seems they have fixed what was the biggest problem in SH3... lifelessness. Stock SH3 was flat and dry. With SH4 the've livend up the graphics, livened up the game worls with little men, lifeboats and traffic, and most importantly, made this interact with the radio. Bottom line... Stock SH4 looks to be at least as enjoyable as a heavily supermodded SH3, plus it has stuff we just couldn't do. The fact that they've designed it to be moddable is even better.

[DanCanovas]

if you thought SH3 was worthless then you should have got SH2! SH3 was great in my opinion...

[Jimbuna]

if you thought SH3 was worthless then you should have got SH2! SH3 was great in my opinion...

Yeah....a great improvement :yep:

[DanCanovas]

in SH2 there were more ships on land than in the sea!

[Torplexed]

in SH2 there were more ships on land than in the sea!

And on a few occasions...in the air as well. They might have been airships, but they're weren't zeppelins.

[stabiz]

Gotta love SH3. It was (and is) my first simulator besides racing sims (which I love with a passion).

Before SH3 I considered military simulators the kind of games crazy peolpe played. Nothing but nobs and gauges, and a learning curve of three years.:arrgh!:


The mods have made it ten times better, but thats just because the initial meet with the genre made me hungry for more. More realism, more accuracy, more, more, more. But I still reckon SH3 is a great game in vanilla form.

I fully expect SH4 to be annoying in certain areas, just because I am
used to "more" now, but I also expect to love it from the get go. And when our Knights of the Mod Table get their hands on it ... :rock:

[Mystic]

As someone who really would have liked to buy SH3 but skipped the game entirely due to StarFor... oh, maybe I shouldn't say that word ... anyway, I am very much hoping and expecting to plunk down some greenbacks for SH4, so I can finally experience for myself what all the SH3 hype was about. However, I don't want to pre-order it, and furthermore I unfortunately feel that I had better wait at least a few days or weeks after the release to make sure that UBI doesn't make a last minute move back to Starfor ... um, you know ... or include something different but equally as nasty. Just some regular, unintrusive protection (Safedisk or the like) for SH4, and I'll be happily spending the balance of my Xmas Best Buy gift card on it (in fact I've been saving the balance for just that purpose).

:up:

[sunvalleyslim]

We all need to buy just so we can keep our moders busy. There's onl so much a delveloper can put into the game before there's no almight profit. Face it, many people today do not have the concept or want to play such a fantastic sim.

[GSpector]

I for one am planning on a Pre-Order (through SubSim of course).

[Shiplord]

However, I don't want to pre-order it, and furthermore I unfortunately feel that I had better wait at least a few days or weeks after the release to make sure that UBI doesn't make a last minute move back to Starfor ... um, you know ... or include something different but equally as nasty.
Such a thing Ubisoft integrated in "Dark Messiah of MM" as copy protection? :hmm:

A friend of mine pre-ordered that game for his brand new high-end PC but he was not able to install it because his DVD drive ignores the disc, the same with his game on my PC and with another copy of that game rented from a gameshop. Then we contacted the Ubisoft support hotline and they told us to upgrade our DVD firmware but both of us had actual firmware and new DVD drives (not DVD burners or virtual drives, copy software etc.). A look in the DM forums at Ubisoft showed us that many other customers had the same problem and Ubisoft was unable to help or correct that problem with a patch.

At last we tested the install on my brother's three years old PC with a very old DVD drive from 2001 with never updated firmware and the installer works perfect also the game recognized the DVD in drive while starting. :rotfl:

My friend finally returned the game and got the money back, because he is not able to install the game on his mordernen PC. This incident and many others in the past taught me, never buy a game at release day or pre-order it before you not have tested it by a rented copy or in other ways.

[Immacolata]

just a quick message to ask everyone to buy this game and get your mates to buy the game too as oppose to getting the game illegally or copied. I know 99% of you would buy the game anyway but the more money made from this game and the more successful it is, the better we get in the future!

If your gonna buy any game then support all future sub sims by buying this one!

:up:

A couple of years ago, a survey in a swedish newspaper showed that about 80 % had got illegal games from the internet.

I will for sure buy this game(legal) but I'll NOT buy it when it reach the shelf. First about ½ to a year after. Why? I don't know how things works in your countries, but here a game cost about 25 to 30 % more than it should.

A friend of mine, who has/had a computer store said once

-There will always be jerks. Produce a lowprice game. make a commercial with some famouse person e.g britney and I promise you that there will be people sleeping in tents infront of the store. Instead of taking 10 $ for this game as it's should cost you can take an overprice...let say 50 dollars.

I'm not saying that piracy is ok, but I wish that some people would calm down a little and not rushing to the store a soon a game come out.

Markus

You're SO gonna copy it. This post smells like a firebrand preach for why its ok to copy games. If you're that afraid of paying too much, buy it from the Subsim store instead. You're supporting this site and you're much less of a hypocrit, to boot.

[CWorth]

I will not be buying it on release date..only about a month after it is released and I see what bugs and problems they left in the game will I decide to buy or not.

[TDK1044]

I don't think there'll be any comparison between SH3 and SH4 at the time of release. SH3 was rushed by Ubisoft and certainly not Beta tested correctly. The end result of that was 'patch mania' which drove us all mad.

SH4 is a totally different animal. With SH4 we will be dealing with tweaks to the game and not fundemental fixing. The visual look of the game is beautiful, and significant improvements have been made to the game play elements.

Ubisoft are now saying loud and clear that once the initial batches of the game are dispatched, a basic game package will then be issued. I would therefore strongly urge Forum members to pre-order this game.

Those who wait a few months to purchase the game in order to see the Forum feedback on it will end up with the basic package and not the limited edition.

[DaMaGe007]

What do you get in the limited edition ?

[TDK1044]

It depends where you live. In the US/Canada you get:

Limited Edition includes bonus materials:
Premium Packaging
100 page manual including reference material
Fold-out historical map of the Pacific theater
Fold out ship recognition poster
Quick Reference Card
1-hour of WWII-era documentary footage about U.S. submarines from Periscope Films on a Bonus DVD

In Europe and Australia, the package is slightly different and doesn't include the documentary DVD.

[Mystic]

Those who wait a few months to purchase the game in order to see the Forum feedback on it will end up with the basic package and not the limited edition.
1) Better to have a working and moderately priced Basic package than an expensive Limited Edition collecting dust in the closet.

2) As long as the game itself is the same in both versions, I will be perfectly happy. And if the game itself ISN'T the same, I'd be annoyed enough to skip the game entirely ... again.

... to make sure that UBI doesn't ... include something different but equally as nasty.

Such a thing Ubisoft integrated in "Dark Messiah of MM" as copy protection? :hmm:

A friend of mine pre-ordered that game for his brand new high-end PC but he was not able to install it because his DVD drive ignores the disc, the same with his game on my PC and with another copy of that game rented from a gameshop.

This incident and many others in the past taught me, never buy a game at release day or pre-order it before you not have tested it by a rented copy or in other ways.

1) I'm not too concerned about CP that simply makes the game disc unreadable. I've had that happen before a few times, and just returned the game to the store and said "oh well". The only thing that concerns me is when CP installs stuff onto a machine that can cause other programs or hardware to work abnormally or not at all.

2) Testing via "other ways" sounds like espousing piracy as a testing method, which I consider to be nonsense. For example. testing a pirated version won't tell you a thing about the potential for problems with reading the installation disc that you just finished giving as an example.

[TDK1044]

Those who wait a few months to purchase the game in order to see the Forum feedback on it will end up with the basic package and not the limited edition.

1) Better to have a working and moderately priced Basic package than an expensive Limited Edition collecting dust in the closet.

2) As long as the game itself is the same in both versions, I will be perfectly happy. And if the game itself ISN'T the same, I'd be annoyed enough to skip the game entirely ... again.

You miss the point. the US price for the limited edition of the game purchased through the Ubisoft store is $49.99. In a few months time when the initial game batches have been dispatched, you'll be ordering the basic package for $49.99. The game will be identical. It's a question of whether you want the game plus goodies for $49.99 or just the basic game for $49.99. If you want the goodies, order now.

[Mystic]

You miss the point. the US price for the limited edition of the game purchased through the Ubisoft store is $49.99. In a few months time when the initial game batches have been dispatched, you'll be ordering the basic package for $49.99. The game will be identical. It's a question of whether you want the game plus goodies for $49.99 or just the basic game for $49.99. If you want the goodies, order now.
Same price, eh? Interesting ... I didn't know that. Still, take the references to price out of my previous post and my real point is still just as true; it's better to buy working software (or save your money and have no software) than to buy dust collecting software. Moreover, a few dollars worth of SH4 goodies don't mean nearly enough to me to risk messing up the many thousands of dollars worth of existing functionality of my computer by installing something that hasn't had public testing and discussion ... I'll let someone else take that risk with their system instead, thank you.

[TDK1044]

I know what you're saying, and if the dreaded Starforce was still in play I'd agree with you. I think SH4 will come with the useless securom though.

[Chief of the Boat]

I thought submariners were courageous ! [WHAT can you 'install' that can't be cleaned up/off with a Re-Format... in a worst possible case?]

[Mystic]

I thought submariners were courageous ! [WHAT can you 'install' that can't be cleaned up/off with a Re-Format... in a worst possible case?]

Right, 'cause reinstalling all of my software would only take a week or so (unless I take time off from work for it), and time is cheap, right? Wait ... no it isn't. Not to mention losing whatever music/graphics/video/sourcecode I might have been in the process of creating and hadn't backed up yet, going through all of the possible headaches of contacting a ton of various companies to attempt to re-register all of my audio and/or graphics plugins, etc. If my system were only a game system I wouldn't care, but that's very far from being the case.

[Chief of the Boat]

My apologies, Mate. I took

" risk messing up the many thousands of dollars worth of existing functionality of my computer"

to mean harming your equipment.

'A Man's Gotta Do What A Man's Gotta Do'...

COB

[Shiplord]

2) Testing via "other ways" sounds like espousing piracy as a testing method
No, I do not mean pirate copies:D

Here in Germany one can:
- rent a game at video/dvd rental shops for one day or more
- rent a game online for one week, it will be delivered to your house and after the test week you must sent it back
- or you can test games before purchase in special game shops like EBgames/Gamestop

[Mystic]

My apologies, Mate. I took

" risk messing up the many thousands of dollars worth of existing functionality of my computer"

to mean harming your equipment.

That's okay. No, the lion's share of the money that's gone into my system is in the software and data on it. I think I've got about $5K worth of audio sample sets on it alone, which is about three times as much money that went into the hardware. And getting that stuff registered and working can be tricky - I don't relish the thought of having to go through it again.


2) Testing via "other ways" sounds like espousing piracy as a testing method No, I do not mean pirate copies:D

Glad to hear that - thanks for clarifying!

[SeniorSpan]

G'day,

Based on this thread, concerns for the copy protecting (CP) scheme Ubisoft will install on SH4 seems pretty valid. It has invoked several strong reactions not to buy on the relesae date, but rather wait a month or so to determines "bugs in the game". Another very valid concern is "when CP installs stuff onto a machine that can cause other programs or hardware to work abnormally or not at all."

I have found FirstDefense ISR eliminates that fear. When FirstDefense is installed, you can instantly:

recover from a corrupted registry or other critical Windows files
recover from a virus-infected operating system or program application
renew your system when it gets bogged down by memory leaks, uninstalls,
temporary files, etc. with all your data intact
recover from bad driver or operating system upgrades


In addition, FirstDefense-ISR gives you easy way to quickly roll back your system to a prior service pack in the event of a problem with the new service pack. And, it installs without the need to create additional partitions or other modifications to your system.


I know there are many softwares with similar claims, but this one actually works. Both my wife and I use it. I have one recovered once and she used it about 6 times now and it aways works perfectly.

You would be doing yourself a good deed to check out FirstDefense.

Cheers

[Chief of the Boat]

MYSTIC...Forgive me, again..but with that much valuable stuff on your machine, do you NOT have one of these nice 500GB USB External Drives that you copy everything to once in a while..AND THEN UNPLUG..? Gosh, I'd certainly think so. I do that with a few GB of pidly personal JPGs... I don't mean to push you further, but I actually feel some sympathy if your work is in jeopardy...

[Mystic]

MYSTIC...Forgive me, again..but with that much valuable stuff on your machine, do you NOT have one of these nice 500GB USB External Drives that you copy everything to once in a while..AND THEN UNPLUG..? Gosh, I'd certainly think so. I do that with a few GB of pidly personal JPGs... I don't mean to push you further, but I actually feel some sympathy if your work is in jeopardy...

I don't think that would be of any benefit with the enormous quantities of sample sets ... I'm under the impression that they won't work anymore if they've been copied to a different device and then copied back. Nonetheless, even if only for the actual data files I create, you're right - I really ought to get one of those USB backup drives.

[Chief of the Boat]

MYSTIC... I just bought mine last week. This machine is 250 GB and my Bride's is 160.. Through the router she backs up on mine; I back up on hers. But I have been afraid that something could come in on either...web page with script writing, kind of thing... and since the two machines are mapped together, my drive appears on hers as a Network Drive and her's on my machine as a Network drive, and some Malware could jump between happily. So I bought the 500GB drive. It just shows up as a new, hard drive...when plugged in. Very fast writing... I had tried a cheaper one some time back, lousy. I can plug the External into my daughter's lap-top... or ANY machine and it works fine. I currently have 87GB on it... and, unplugged.. it IS safe!

Sorry to detract from the theme of the thread, but it really sounds like you might gain from thinking about it. If I understand your posting, I have never even HEARD of such a problem. Same Named files or folders over-write, as usual, so it pays to watch your naming, etc...

Apologies again, to The Thread... but I guess if maybe this talks you into SH4 sooner, it WAS applicable ??? [grin]

COB

[tommyk]

I preordered SH3 but I think I will not buy SH4 on release. Too many games I bought have been rushed to release and UBI is not my spelling for QA... But then again, maybe I just cannot walk by when I see it at a local store :)

[DanCanovas]

i just couldnt come on here on the first few release days and listen to everyones excitement at the latest addition to our genre. torture! ill have this game the day of release and then you won't hear from me for a few days !

[flyingdane]

i just couldnt come on here on the first few release days and listen to everyones excitement at the latest addition to our genre. torture! ill have this game the day of release and then you won't hear from me for a few days !

Hehehe, That will most of us as well. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/flyingdane/thgen1211.gif Let-me-atum!!..I want to sink some JAPS!!!!