The Israel/Palestine situation

[elite_hunter_sh3]

[Split from the "Serbian coalition struggle begins" thread - Gizzmoe]

the conflict in kosovo is similar to the conflict in israel except for one major difference, the israelis invaded the palestinians and massacerd them and took their land illegally, while the albanians in kosovo came in leagally then created a terrorist organization to attack and kill the serb minority. in this case the albanians are the evil ones because they are trying to massacre all the serbs and connect cosovo to albania. in the middle east case, the israelis just came in massacred all the palestinians and took their legal and rightfully owned land. if they wanted their own homeland they shudda took some land from the russians i mean they have enough :roll: , but noooo just because of jerusalem you all had to go bomb and shoot the hell outta them then take over all their land. now they are resorting to violence because you have left them no choice.

heres the original UN map

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7f/UN_Partition_Plan_Palestine.png

now look at how much land the have taken
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/51/Is-map.PNG

israel and palestine were suposed to be equal in country size and the city of jerusalem in the border dividing the two countries, but the jews wanting more instead to overrun them and take as much as they could. no wonder theres palestinian rebels now using violence because youve made them use violence. and what makes it worse your building huge walls to "stop suicide bombers" in reality ur making things worse by pissing them off sooner or later they are gonna say "screw this lets nuke em"
http://www.monitor.net/monitor/9711b/suitcasebomb.html

a few of these backpack nukes and there goes the holiest city in the world. no one wants that not even the arabs but like i said earlier if they are forced to use violence then they will use violence if u can force em to blow themselves up then u can force em to nuke u.

this war also fuels the anti semitism againt jewish population. now all arabs and most people hate jews. even white people hate jews and most of them have never even known a jewish person. now a majority of the world population will think "greedy jews because they stole palestinians land" it was your land and their land you just wanted more. its dissapointing because there would probably be no semitism if the land of palestine was divided equally.

[bradclark1]

Why don't you read a little history before making yourself look any less smart then you are right now.

[Tchocky]

last edited by Gizzmoe

Jeez, what was it before?

ED (me): Don't answer that :)

[Iceman]

This ones not even worth a Bible quote from me... lol.

dog gone evil jews...it's a plot....Ya know them jews had them extermination camps all over the middle east at one time sending in muslims by the thousands and making lamps from they're skins that's ...Realllllllllllyyyy ...why people hate the jews plus they are after Alllllllll the money in the world....

Mommy tell me another bedtime story lol...

[JSLTIGER]

[Split from the "Serbian coalition struggle begins" thread - Gizzmoe]

the conflict in kosovo is similar to the conflict in israel except for one major difference, the israelis invaded the palestinians and massacerd them and took their land illegally, while the albanians in kosovo came in leagally then created a terrorist organization to attack and kill the serb minority. in this case the albanians are the evil ones because they are trying to massacre all the serbs and connect cosovo to albania. in the middle east case, the israelis just came in massacred all the palestinians and took their legal and rightfully owned land. if they wanted their own homeland they shudda took some land from the russians i mean they have enough :roll: , but noooo just because of jerusalem you all had to go bomb and shoot the hell outta them then take over all their land. now they are resorting to violence because you have left them no choice.

israel and palestine were suposed to be equal in country size and the city of jerusalem in the border dividing the two countries, but the jews wanting more instead to overrun them and take as much as they could. no wonder theres palestinian rebels now using violence because youve made them use violence. and what makes it worse your building huge walls to "stop suicide bombers" in reality ur making things worse by pissing them off sooner or later they are gonna say "screw this lets nuke em"
http://www.monitor.net/monitor/9711b/suitcasebomb.html

a few of these backpack nukes and there goes the holiest city in the world. no one wants that not even the arabs but like i said earlier if they are forced to use violence then they will use violence if u can force em to blow themselves up then u can force em to nuke u.

this war also fuels the anti semitism againt jewish population. now all arabs and most people hate jews. even white people hate jews and most of them have never even known a jewish person. now a majority of the world population will think "greedy jews because they stole palestinians land" it was your land and their land you just wanted more. its dissapointing because there would probably be no semitism if the land of palestine was divided equally.
To be honest, I shouldn't even have to dignify this post with a response, however, because I'd rather the ignorance didn't continue, and because I'd like to correct your facts, I respond with this:

You are indeed correct that the 1947 UN Partition Plan created those borders for the State of Israel. Where your "facts" and reality differ however, is the part about the Israeli "invasion." That never happened. The UN Partition Plan was approved by Jewish leaders, but the Arab/"Palestinian" leaders outright rejected the plan. As you can clearly see in your map, Tel Aviv was in the Jewish state's proposed borders. That is where the State of Israel was proclaimed on May 14, 1948, and came into existence at midnight on the 15th. Additionally, Israel's War for Independence was not fought because the Israelis started the conflict, but because the Arab nations surrounding Israel bombed Israel and proceeded to invade. While not always the most accurate source, in this case, Wikipedia serves fine to back me up on this:

Immediately following the Declaration of Independence of the State of Israel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_Independence_of_the_State_of_Israel ), Egyptian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt), Syrian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syria), Iraqi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq), Jordanian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan), and Lebanese (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanon) forces invaded the newly formed state on all fronts. In a desperate and costly war, Israel's newly formed and largely makeshift army eventually repelled the attacking armies, and then advanced its forces to occupy some of the territory set aside under the Partition Plan for the Arabs and for the City of Jerusalem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem). A cease fire agreement was signed between the two sides, with the current front line becoming the boundary between Israel and the Arab territories. As a result of the 1948 war, Israel controlled all the territory allotted to them under the Partition Plan, much of the territory allotted to the Arabs under the Plan, and half of what was to be the UN-administered City of Jerusalem. The remaining Arab territories were the West Bank (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Bank) and the Gaza Strip (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip); the West Bank was administered by Jordan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan), while the Gaza Strip was administered by Egypt.
Additionally, you might find it interesting to note that there has never, in the history of the world, been an independent nation of Palestine. The first united nation-state in that region was that of the United Kingdom of Israel under King David. Later they would split into two kingdoms, Israel in the north and Judea in the south. The Kingdom of Israel was conquered in 722 BCE by the Assyrians. Judea survived until the Babylonians conquered the region in 586 BCE. The land then fell into the hands of the Persians, and later the Greeks (under Alexander the Great). Following the overthrow of the Greek king Antiochus IV (the villain of the Hanukkah story), a brief period of independence occurred, eventually ended by the Romans as they conquered ever more territory. Not content to be enslaved, the Jews fought back and revolted. After several failed attempts at rebellion, the Romans eventually crushed all rebellion and renamed the province Palestine, after the Philistines. Since the Roman era, the land has passed to the Byzantine Empire and later the Ottoman Empire, which was dissolved in the wake of World War I. At that time, "Palestine" became part of the British mandate in the region along with Transjordan (the modern day state of Jordan). The British divided the mandate into Palestine and Transjordan and recognized Transjordan as an independent state in 1923. The British gave up the rights to their mandate as of 11:59 PM on May 14, 1948, after which time the State of Israel was immediately declared.

In other words: THE ARABS INVADED A UN SANCTIONED NATION FIRST! Since that time, Israel has taken the actions that it has believed were required to ensure its survival. Not all of these actions have been right, and occasionally, they have gone too far. However, Israel, like any sovereign nation, is entitled to safety within its borders, and is unable to receive it without taking drastic actions. This can be shown in the fact that the stated goal of Hamas is to completely eradicate the Jewish state and push the Jews into the Mediterranean Sea.

Also note that the reason that the Palestinians are still around is because every Arab nation has denied them admittance.

As for your last paragraph, well, I believe that nothing that is written there is of value, although you have managed to quite clearly demonstrate your own antisemitism. Moreover, antisemitism has existed since the beginning of Judaism, so your statement that there would be none without Israel (or with a 1947-based Israel) is flawed.

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[joea]

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Don't forget, this was the guy who thought (though in the terror-free oil thread he smartened up) North Korea was the same as Venezuela or Cuba, or called himself a socialist but wanted to call skinheads from the Stormfront to deal with fellow students who happen to be brown-skinned Somalis. :roll: Still par for the course for many here I suppose.

[Skybird]

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Ah, thanks, I always wanted to know how Dutch Gouda cheese is being made. :lol:

[elite_hunter_sh3]

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[August]

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That's all you have to say? Not even a thanks to JSLTIGER for very kindly straightening you out?

[elite_hunter_sh3]

errm no he didnt "straighten me out" i still believe that Israel and U.S are working together secretly to take over the middle east. they have done it to palestine, now iraq and soon to be iran and te rest. north korea wants attention cuz no one gives a crap about wut they do. kim jong il is desperate for attention. bin laden never orchestrated the 9/11 attacks u.s needed a patsy as an excuse to attack arabs and the middle east (for oil and power another 2 reasons), a missile hit the pentagon not an airplane, very sad alot of innoncet civys died in the 9/11 attacks but its the u.s government they can do wat they want right?? , they split apart yugoslavia to keep it from becoming a economic power in europe so the brititsh can become pawns, the UN is U.S pawn because they are funded and HQ located in U.S. the only country who can stop the wars and killing from the U.S is China. they got enugh troops to take em over but they dont want to now because they are building up economy, then when time is right bye bye u.s.a hello new world order from china.

[The Avon Lady]

errm no he didnt "straighten me out" i still believe that Israel and U.S are working together secretly to take over the middle east. they have done it to palestine, now iraq and soon to be iran and te rest. north korea wants attention cuz no one gives a crap about wut they do. kim jong il is desperate for attention. bin laden never orchestrated the 9/11 attacks u.s needed a patsy as an excuse to attack arabs and the middle east (for oil and power another 2 reasons), a missile hit the pentagon not an airplane, very sad alot of innoncet civys died in the 9/11 attacks but its the u.s government they can do wat they want right?? , they split apart yugoslavia to keep it from becoming a economic power in europe so the brititsh can become pawns, the UN is U.S pawn because they are funded and HQ located in U.S. the only country who can stop the wars and killing from the U.S is China. they got enugh troops to take em over but they dont want to now because they are building up economy, then when time is right bye bye u.s.a hello new world order from china.
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[The Noob]

Don't forget, this was the guy who thought (though in the terror-free oil thread he smartened up) North Korea was the same as Venezuela or Cuba, or called himself a socialist but wanted to call skinheads from the Stormfront to deal with fellow students who happen to be brown-skinned Somalis. :roll: Still par for the course for many here I suppose.
errm no he didnt "straighten me out" i still believe that Israel and U.S are working together secretly to take over the middle east. they have done it to palestine, now iraq and soon to be iran and te rest. north korea wants attention cuz no one gives a crap about wut they do. kim jong il is desperate for attention. bin laden never orchestrated the 9/11 attacks u.s needed a patsy as an excuse to attack arabs and the middle east (for oil and power another 2 reasons), a missile hit the pentagon not an airplane, very sad alot of innoncet civys died in the 9/11 attacks but its the u.s government they can do wat they want right?? , they split apart yugoslavia to keep it from becoming a economic power in europe so the brititsh can become pawns, the UN is U.S pawn because they are funded and HQ located in U.S. the only country who can stop the wars and killing from the U.S is China. they got enugh troops to take em over but they dont want to now because they are building up economy, then when time is right bye bye u.s.a hello new world order from china.
lol? what the what the what the...DAMN? :huh:

Thats some crazy ****.

[August]

errm no he didnt "straighten me out" i still believe that Israel and U.S are working together secretly to take over the middle east. they have done it to palestine, now iraq and soon to be iran and te rest. north korea wants attention cuz no one gives a crap about wut they do. kim jong il is desperate for attention. bin laden never orchestrated the 9/11 attacks u.s needed a patsy as an excuse to attack arabs and the middle east (for oil and power another 2 reasons), a missile hit the pentagon not an airplane, very sad alot of innoncet civys died in the 9/11 attacks but its the u.s government they can do wat they want right?? , they split apart yugoslavia to keep it from becoming a economic power in europe so the brititsh can become pawns, the UN is U.S pawn because they are funded and HQ located in U.S. the only country who can stop the wars and killing from the U.S is China. they got enugh troops to take em over but they dont want to now because they are building up economy, then when time is right bye bye u.s.a hello new world order from china.

I got news for ya Mister Troll. Yugoslavia split itself apart, mainly because to the violent and evil actions of Serbia, and if you're an example of the average Serbian, which I suspect you are, it's small wonder why nobody wanted to stay.

[elite_hunter_sh3]

no im not from serbia, technically me and GakunGak are from montenegro who recently split off from serbia, i was pissed as to why the split and i believe that yugoslavia should have stayed together, united as one they are a strong power.

[August]

no im not from serbia, technically me and GakunGak are from montenegro who recently split off from serbia, i was pissed as to why the split and i believe that yugoslavia should have stayed together, united as one they are a strong power.

That is of course between Montenegro and Serbia but remember that particular "strong power" you mourn for apparently had no place for many of whom it wished to rule.

[Camaero]

Wow... :down:

[baggygreen]

Wow


My ignorance alarm is going haywire! You know, as long as there are people around who believe the sort of rubbish you're spouting off, I'm guaranteed a great laugh. No bin Laden? Of course the US was responsible for the nasty little conflict you had in the balkans, didnt you know that they were planning that, and all the events that led to it, since 1776??? Gee, everyone else did...

Yes, lets all take over the Middle East with its tapped yet already significantly drained oil reserves, and spend billions in doing it, when for a fraction of the cost we could open up Siberia at great gain to that region and obtain much more oil, much more cheaply.

And do you seriously expect the Chinese to invade the US? Oh but of course they will, how silly of me to question it!!! The americans will be so besotted with their takeover of the Middle East that they'll fail to notice a flotilla of thousands (the Chinese would need a fleet larger than that of the Greeks at Troy) of ships headed across the 10,000 km of the Pacific Ocean, and they'll let them land on the West Coast totally unopposed! Of course, this is also ignoring the fact that it would take China more than 30 years to build up enough landing craft to do the job...

Im sorry, the people on these forums know that im pretty accepting of peoples views, but my god you set a new low for stupidity!

[STEED]

i still believe that Israel and U.S are working together secretly to take over the middle east. they have done it to palestine, now iraq and soon to be iran and te rest.

Your cheese has slipped off your cracker. :yep:

[baggygreen]

"Hes got a few 'roos loose in the top paddock!":yep:

[joea]

errm no he didnt "straighten me out" i still believe that Israel and U.S are working together secretly to take over the middle east. they have done it to palestine, now iraq and soon to be iran and te rest. north korea wants attention cuz no one gives a crap about wut they do. kim jong il is desperate for attention. bin laden never orchestrated the 9/11 attacks u.s needed a patsy as an excuse to attack arabs and the middle east (for oil and power another 2 reasons), a missile hit the pentagon not an airplane, very sad alot of innoncet civys died in the 9/11 attacks but its the u.s government they can do wat they want right?? , they split apart yugoslavia to keep it from becoming a economic power in europe so the brititsh can become pawns, the UN is U.S pawn because they are funded and HQ located in U.S. the only country who can stop the wars and killing from the U.S is China. they got enugh troops to take em over but they dont want to now because they are building up economy, then when time is right bye bye u.s.a hello new world order from china.
I got news for ya Mister Troll. Yugoslavia split itself apart, mainly because to the violent and evil actions of Serbia, and if you're an example of the average Serbian, which I suspect you are, it's small wonder why nobody wanted to stay.
August, for the record, I agree mister Elite_hunter is well, wrong but I don't agree with your assessment of the Yugoslav crisis. Milosovic was a stupid, wicked bastard, but he was not alone (Tudjman the Croatian Prsident thanked God his wife was "neither Serb nor Jew") and while I think some kind of complete or partial split was inevitable, it was accelerated and worsened by outside interference (Germany, Russia, finally the US to counter Russia).

While Elite_hunter is on crack if he thinks Yugoslavia would be the powerhouse of Europe, it was the most developed, prosperous and yes "free" (in comparison) with other East Bloc states, many citzens of Bulgaria and Romania dreamed of going to Yugoslavia. Finally, Serbia was a loyal ally in 2 world wars and they paid a very expensive price. Cheers buddy. ;) And cheers to Gundak who seems alright too.

[baggygreen]

edited, gizzmoe?

[Gizzmoe]

edited, gizzmoe?
Yes, I´ve removed the name-calling. To everyone, be civil with one another, please!

[baggygreen]

Ah i see, i was going to say i didnt see anything drastically different.., never even noticed the names!:know:

[elite_hunter_sh3]

thing is reason why serbs now dislike or have a hatred towards croatians is because the croatian army also massacred serbs, difference was croatian army was under government control while serb paramilitary (black scorpions etc..) who were NOT under the control of milosevic government massacred albanians, bosnian muslim , croats. thats why alot of serbs now say the croats are a evil regime because the government ordered the army to commit the killings and historical reasons (support of nazi germany and extermination of slavs and jews).

btw who called what names??

edit* reason why i support the country of yugoslavia is because my entire family back home and friends back home say yugoslavia was better then split up countries now because of economy, stability, very little crime, health and education was paid for, it may not be the best health care system back then but at least it was sufficient enough to sustain us and keep us rid of disease and sickness.

edit* this is very off topic i think this thread should be closed.

edit again lol* it keeps flipping back and forth betwen israel/palestine and serbia.

[Gizzmoe]

edit again lol* it keeps flipping back and forth betwen israel/palestine and serbia.
That´s no surprise, after all you had mentioned serbia over and over again.

edit* this is very off topic i think this thread should be closed.
No problem.