Another reason to not want Vista...

[SUBMAN1]

Most of your games audio will be stuck in 2D stereo mode:

http://preview.creativelabs.com/alchemy/default.aspx

-S

PS. Even though they say 'most' games use OpenAL, that is not true. The ones they list are the main ones that do use OpenAL

[micky1up]

and this has nothing to do with manufacturers not pulling there thumbs out and getting drivers created for vista ?

[STEED]

I am in no rush to buy it not for a minimum of 2 years.

[SUBMAN1]

and this has nothing to do with manufacturers not pulling there thumbs out and getting drivers created for vista ?

Two answers to that question:

1. WHQL is required practically now and will be req forever in the future - so they are having to submit revs to MS for testing before they can even offer you a bug fix. This is going to greatly slow down any fix drivers forever more, as well as even getting drivers for Vista now.

2. HAL no longer exists, so even if Creative went through the hell of my answer #1 above, with no HAL, you get neat unaccelerated 2d stereo sound - might as well throw out your 5.1 channel speaker system!

[nightdagger]

WHQL is for newbs, I never used it until Vista. Still, my sound is great on Vista RTM with an X-Fi.

[Onkel Neal]

I want an iPhone! :ping:

[bookworm_020]

I want an iPhone! :ping:

You'll get it in the US before we do in Australia! At least it means that most of the bugs will be worked out of it by then!!

Maybe the price would have come down by then!!:rotfl::rotfl:

[nightdagger]

iPhone is for Cingular only. In other words, you're SOL for a while if you don't live somewhere with Cingular service.

[Konovalov]

This thread is just another example of why I won't be touching Vista for at least another 6-12 months. :yep:

[Myxale]

Vista eh! Well i will deley that as long as possible. I've done this with all Windows incarnations. :hmm:

One day the Systems will come with Vista by default!
M' not gettin' it soon, no need to burden me an' me system anymore! Besides what will run on there!

[StandingCow]

The vista issues as far as the graphics and sound cards are due to the manufacs not keeping up to speed, not vista.

Although, I am going to wait a while before even thinking about getting vista, I was a guinea pig with XP... I will not be with vista. :)

[Hartmann]

My computer was with windows 98 installed only two years ago, so i don´t have any plans to change xp and rush into vista at least for two years or more.

Only when sp2 are released, and all programs, games ,software and hardware , adapted for it .

i don´t want become a msoft experiment mice or beta tester.

[Ducimus]

Personnaly i wont "upgrade" to vista until game boxes start listing "Windows Vista Required"

By that time, they'll be at 30 to 50 some odd security fixes, and a few dozen bugs fixed, and maybe a Service pack or two, because every tom, dick, and harry hacker will be after that OS with a vengence.

Until such time, i'll happily stick to my copy of WinXP Pro.

[SUBMAN1]

Personnaly i wont "upgrade" to vista until game boxes start listing "Windows Vista Required"

By that time, they'll be at 30 to 50 some odd security fixes, and a few dozen bugs fixed, and maybe a Service pack or two, because every tom, dick, and harry hacker will be after that OS with a vengence.

Until such time, i'll happily stick to my copy of WinXP Pro.

SP1 for Vista is already on the way.

DX 9.0 L will allow you to use DX10 games on XP by the way.

-S

[Skybird]

Since tuesday I am reinstalling my system, for my HD died a sudden death and I needed to replace it. At that occasion I decided not to use the image I have on a separate HD, but to do a new install, since many software components, drivers, and other hardware has changed since that image was done.

So I learned yesterday that my copy of windows XP had used up all it's online registration attempts, and needed to be registered via telephone. There I found an automatic service which refused to verify the number the software had given me onscreen. Next I was connected to a human being, and she really did her best to make me feel most unwelcome and almost guilty of still reinstalling Windows - Windows XP again. I was asked why I installed again, and what went wrong that I needed to do it so often, and they asked about the images I used, and how it could be that I had installed so often in the first 12-16 months. I finally was given a new activation code, yes, but it was definitely un unpleasant experience of having to deal with them. Don'T call again, they said without words.

Also, this practice of online registration, that is spreading more and more (not only wsith Vista - just look at FS addons) is violating German laws, something that often is forgotten, for according to the BGB (civil law code in Germany) and final judgements of highest court BGH as well (Bundesgerichtshof), buying software, no matter if electronically delivered or on CD, is not buying a temporal license or service (like it is understood in US laws), but it is a "Sachgüterkauf" (material buy?), which includes the protection of the customer of that he can use it in the way and as often as he wishes, as long as he does not violate anti-crime laws in the way he is using it (piracy, in this case). Online registration means you are depending on the company to exist "forever", because if they seize to exist, you can't reactivate your product again. This is illegal according to German law, and most European laws as well, as far as I do know (and I am no international lawyer). International private law and legal agreements between the EU and the US also include mutual acceptance that in this case of seller and buyer living in two different countries, the laws of the country where the buyer lives are the basis to act upton in case of legal disputes, if the seller says something different in the contract, this is not valid for all nations that are included in these international agreements. This is what was told me by a German lawyer three years ago, and how it also is explained in a longer article that I have in a print media, an Austrian PC magazine, from 2004, I think.

I have no doubt that I will avoid Vista as long as possible, and stick with XP as long as I can manage to get it installed on current and future hardware. However, the unfriendlyx treatment I received yesterday has lowered my hopes for a long life for XP significantly. I have no doubt that MS, when seeing that Vista does not sell by the numbers they expected, will try to enforce the selling by it by all means available - shortening product support span for previous versions, setting up pressure on manufacturers and traders, and the like. The digital rights management of Vista is a desaster for customer rightsand leads to a steep increaqse in dependance. And this probably is it's primary intention.I only wish that alternatives like Linus and others wpould be more easy to behandled by OS novices (like me), so that software depending on Windows could be made compatible with such OS. If Vista is a signal of what to expect from MS in the future, getting independent from MS altogether will become a top priority for customers in the future.

And this whole net-idea, and a global network, and everybody being connected to it - more and more I dislike it, and become cautious about it. The surface looks shiny and tempting, but below it you get more and more absorbed by mechanisms and processes on global scale that lead your existence towards dependency - and we (especially the young ones amongst us who never knew it any different) might not even notice it. But it is suspicious - the more capable hardware became, the more time-consuming it has become for me to nurse my computer, and the more my life gets absorbed by it, using it as well as maintaining it. My idea was that it should be exactly the other way around...

Those of us who where kids in the early 80s - be honest, has anyone of us ever missed today's mega-machines, and games? I certainly have not."Sink Vista!"

[SUBMAN1]

I've had to call MS many times to reactivate things. Never had an issue with them.

-S

[sonar732]

Online registration means you are depending on the company to exist "forever", because if they seize to exist, you can't reactivate your product again.

Good point there! I won't have Vista for a few years as it takes that long to get the bugs out regardless of what Bill says. I heard on the news that they were going to get a famous basketball player to market it.

[SUBMAN1]

Online registration means you are depending on the company to exist "forever", because if they seize to exist, you can't reactivate your product again.
Good point there! I won't have Vista for a few years as it takes that long to get the bugs out regardless of what Bill says. I heard on the news that they were going to get a famous basketball player to market it.

Yes, but you are assuming you own it - you don't. You are merely borrowing it from MS. They can revoke your license at any time. Switch to Linux if you don't like it. :)

-S

[sonar732]

Online registration means you are depending on the company to exist "forever", because if they seize to exist, you can't reactivate your product again.
Good point there! I won't have Vista for a few years as it takes that long to get the bugs out regardless of what Bill says. I heard on the news that they were going to get a famous basketball player to market it.
Yes, but you are assuming you own it - you don't. You are merely borrowing it from MS. They can revoke your license at any time. Switch to Linux if you don't like it. :)

-S

I do have a few Linux Distro's thank you.:know::up:

[SUBMAN1]

I do have a few Linux Distro's thank you.:know::up:
Me too! Just bought a Kurobox that I will install Gentoo on too!!!

http://www.kurobox.com/

[sonar732]

I do have a few Linux Distro's thank you.:know::up:
Me too! Just bought a Kurobox that I will install Gentoo on too!!!

http://www.kurobox.com/

I've got Ubuntu 6.10, Red Hat 7.0, and Mandrake 8.0.

[SUBMAN1]

I do have a few Linux Distro's thank you.:know::up:
Me too! Just bought a Kurobox that I will install Gentoo on too!!!

http://www.kurobox.com/
I've got Ubuntu 6.10, Red Hat 7.0, and Mandrake 8.0.
I'm stuck with Gentoo - Its an addiction. Its one of those things - I compile it from the get go optimized for my hardware - I go further than what the guide tells you to do - I compile everything from source. It makes my systems a little more peppy, and tailored directly to my hardware without any bloat. I write my own optimizations as well. All my apps I compile to my system as too.

If you like to tinker to get every last ounce of speed, your machine can be made much more responsive with Gentoo. Everything compiled to your hardware without all the 'extra' support of everyone elses hardware compiled in makes the code so much more responsive if done properly.

-S

PS. Knoppix is kind of handy once in a while too - and if you have 2 GB, load the entire OS into RAM - knoppix toram

[Skybird]

Online registration means you are depending on the company to exist "forever", because if they seize to exist, you can't reactivate your product again.
Good point there! I won't have Vista for a few years as it takes that long to get the bugs out regardless of what Bill says. I heard on the news that they were going to get a famous basketball player to market it.

Yes, but you are assuming you own it - you don't. You are merely borrowing it from MS. They can revoke your license at any time. Switch to Linux if you don't like it. :)

-S
That is US law, in this case favouring the company's interests over the customer's interests. As I said, German law is exactly the other way around: you don't borrow it, but you own it and for an unlimited period of time. As if you buy a book - you are not allowed to brake the copyright, but nobody's going to tell you that you are allowed to use it only in the next five years, or read it only three times before you have to pay/ask for a new license to read it a fourth time.

[Ducimus]

In regard to XP and authetication codes i only have two... no three words.

Get Corporate Edition.

[Onkel Neal]

Article on Vista and games (http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1968995,00.asp)

I hear current StarForce games will not work on Vista, so maybe Ubi will release a non-SF SH3 patch now.

[Gizzmoe]

[/URL]I hear current StarForce games will not work on Vista, so maybe Ubi will release a non-SF SH3 patch now.

Starforce has released a Vista driver update, they have tested it with "Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory" and other games. Dunno if SH3 works, but it´s worth a try:
[url]http://www.star-force.com/protection.phtml?c=83&id=957 (http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1968995,00.asp)

[nightdagger]

Personnaly i wont "upgrade" to vista until game boxes start listing "Windows Vista Required"

By that time, they'll be at 30 to 50 some odd security fixes, and a few dozen bugs fixed, and maybe a Service pack or two, because every tom, dick, and harry hacker will be after that OS with a vengence.

Until such time, i'll happily stick to my copy of WinXP Pro.

Halo 2 for PC will only work on Vista and that'll come out pretty soon. I think all of the debate is pointless. Sooner or later almost everyone with Windows will have Vista. It might as well be sooner because the sooner you point out problems, the sooner MS and driver companies can fix them.

[Gizzmoe]

Halo 2 for PC will only work on Vista
Yes, and that´s an artificial limitation put in by Microsoft and the makers of the game. I´m pretty sure that soon after it came out someone releases a hack so that it can be played on XP.