Thankyou Mr Blair

[Kapitan]

Well today ive found out that our base is moving from hackney in london to edmunton the result is that 20% of us will loose our jobs because of the loss of contract, now why do i thank tony blair for this?

Simple!

The job i do is a non skilled job means that any one can do it and all i do is load bags and bins onto a lorry yes thats correct im a dustman.

80% of the people i work with earn alot less than me and lately theres been up roar over pay, i earn £9.78 an hour doing this job, the guy next to me who is probably african or from eastern europe earns just £6.13 an hour.
Theres 112 people i work with all but 18 of then are english and all the english people are now too loose thier jobs, but the catch is theres squat we can do about it.

The jobs lost will be re taken by forigners willing to work for £6.00 an hour in about 6 months time when they open thier new contract while us english lot have to que up in the benifit office looking for work, and then have all the people who do work look at us and say get a job stop sponging of the state.

Perhapse if i actualy took mr blair round the back of a dark alley and gave him a good hiding do you think he will listen? no of corse not cheap labour is good for buisness.

Just another thing labour has achieved in 10 years.

[STEED]

You sock it to the man Kap. :yep:

[Gizzmoe]

£9.78/$19.20 an hour? Man, that´s what I got when I worked in IT Support...

[XabbaRus]

OK but just working a few things out.

There are 112 people at the base. 20% will lose jobs so that's 22.4 people.

You say all but 18 are English, so 94 of the workers are English the rest foreign. So even if they sack 18 of the 94 english workers there will still be more english workers that foreign.

Also if 80% earn a lot less than you that probably includes quite a few of the English workers

You're making assupmtions which seem straight out of the Daily Mail.

[joea]

They shouldn't be called the "Labour" party then! :-?

[The Munster]

The Labour party used to represent the working man but turned there back on us years ago.
They turned into the Tory Party, they even evade direct questions in the same style as the Tory's when they were in power. Only the faces change !
Animal Farm ?!

[STEED]

They shouldn't be called the "Labour" party then! :-?

There more like the Conservatives even Former Conservative leader Margret Thatcher praised Tony Blair. There's not much differences between both of them now.

Hey you guys in Scotland is it true the SNP is going to knock six bells out of Labour in the May elections?

[The Munster]

AHA STEED beat you with the response by 1 minute :lol:

SNP ? Dunno about that but they are going from strength to strength so ..

[STEED]

AHA STEED beat you with the response by 1 minute :lol:

Cheeky :lol:

So is the SNP going to kick Labour out of Scotland?

[The Munster]

Good Q STEED, SNP have grown into a formidable opponent [people up here are also fed up with the Labour Party]

[STEED]

I don't see much happen down here so I will be keeping an eye on Scotland in May, it would be a black day for Labour if the SNP hit them real hard in the ballet box.

[Kapitan]

other way around xabbarus and i dont read the daily mail cant stand that paper, whats more do you even know where and who i work for and whats going on? i dont think your in the position to acctualy comment on who deserves to stay and go.

Sorry but im very peed off.

[XabbaRus]

Well Kapitan you wrote the figures you wrote and I just did the maths.

Look what you wrote and you will see where I got my figures from.
Also as this is an open forum I am entitled to write what I feel.

You wrote
"Theres 112 people i work with all but 18 of then are english and all the english people are now too loose thier jobs, but the catch is theres squat we can do about it."

That reads that 18 are foreign the rest English, so if that is wrong, change it.

I can't help it if you write things back to front. I also don't think you can just blame Tony Blair for all this. He is just continuing what the Tories started just as the Lib Dems would had they been able to get into power.

Also as for the SNP in Scotland, I won't be voting for them. Bunch of idiots with no more of a clue than Labour or the Tories, if anything they will ruin the UK should the ever get Scottish independence.

[Konovalov]

Well said Xabb on all counts. :yep:

[STEED]

as for the SNP in Scotland, I won't be voting for them. Bunch of idiots with no more of a clue than Labour or the Tories, if anything they will ruin the UK should the ever get Scottish independence.

Sound like the voter may be making an error. :hmm:

[XabbaRus]

You really think SNP would be better. Hmmmm, STEED you should listen to them, bunch of Nationalists, and personally as an English guy in Scotland, though I haven't had any problems up here, there are enough in the SNP hidden as they maybe if they got independence I believe you would get a situation, maybe not as bad but similar to the Balkans. There are a minority as always who would try to get at English people should the SNP get in. Also most Scots I know don't vote SNP.

[The Munster]

You really think SNP would be better. Hmmmm, STEED you should listen to them, bunch of Nationalists, and personally as an English guy in Scotland, though I haven't had any problems up here, there are enough in the SNP hidden as they maybe if they got independence I believe you would get a situation, maybe not as bad but similar to the Balkans. There are a minority as always who would try to get at English people should the SNP get in. Also most Scots I know don't vote SNP.

I have 2 questions I would appreciate an answer to;
1. How long have you lived in Scotland
2. What evidence do you have to substantiate that the English would be 'gotten at' should the SNP get in ?

[STEED]

XabbaRus, The reason I ask is I heard it on the radio a few days ago, I forget who said it but the presenter was very certain that Labour was going to suffer a major set back this May. Well we shall see when the votes are in. ;)

[Kapitan]

aint got my vote

And finally xabba your taking my approach :D

[STEED]

aint got my vote

I do believe that the SNP only stands in Scotland. :smug:

[Kapitan]

Ok them and labour

[STEED]

I no longer vote for the big three as they have lost it, more so with Labour and the Conservatives who have become so complacent and living in cuckoo land. :know:

[XabbaRus]

Lived in Scotland for 20 odd years. If you read my post correctly you'd see that I have said that I have lived all this time up here without hassle. Sure when the football is on there is teh banter and joshing but that's normal.

Unfortunately there are some in Scotland, who though a minority I feel would get quite noisy should the SNP make gains. I know many fellow Scots whjo consider the SNP to be essentially racist and it is my experience that most Sctos have plenty of time for the English. I also live in the North East where there was 'settler watch' OK it turned out to be a joke once it was discovered the ring leader was a german, but I think it unnerved a few people. It shows the potential is there.

However I'll repeat they are a minority but, they could become vocal. I personally feel most scots won't vote SNP. They are a single issue party in my book with no more answeres than the other three. So Munson do you want Scotland to be independent?

[The Munster]

Lived in Scotland for 20 odd years. If you read my post correctly you'd see that I have said that I have lived all this time up here without hassle. Sure when the football is on there is teh banter and joshing but that's normal.

Unfortunately there are some in Scotland, who though a minority I feel would get quite noisy should the SNP make gains. I know many fellow Scots whjo consider the SNP to be essentially racist and it is my experience that most Sctos have plenty of time for the English. I also live in the North East where there was 'settler watch' OK it turned out to be a joke once it was discovered the ring leader was a german, but I think it unnerved a few people. It shows the potential is there.

However I'll repeat they are a minority but, they could become vocal. I personally feel most scots won't vote SNP. They are a single issue party in my book with no more answeres than the other three. So Munson do you want Scotland to be independent?

Excuse me, but I did read your post correctly, I did not ask if you had encountered any hassle, that wasn't my issue; I wanted to know the length of time you have lived in Scotland = totally seperate issue !
I still don't see any evidence from you that the English would be 'gotten at' if the SNP came to power.

[Kapitan_Phillips]

You know, I'd be more likely to vote for a nationalist inclined party than any of the three major ones, right now. So far, none of those three have impressed me with their proposals, and I think it might be an idea to give a different party a chance, instead of having just a different face messing up our country.

[XabbaRus]

All I'm saying is that should the SNP gain power and should Scotland head for independence it would give certain groups within Scotland to become more vocal and possibley more emboldened to attempt stirring things up.

I fear a dissolution of the union would be bad for all parties involved. I fear that we haven't learned anything from when countries are split. Look at what happened in Yugoslavia. OK in some ways different to the UK, but there is a chance no matter how small that such a thing could happne in the UK.

Anyway Munson, you never answered my other question, would you like to see Scotland become independent?

I do agree it is barmy that Englsih MPs can't vote on entirely Scottish matters but Scots MPs can vote on purely English matters. Surely the framework alread exists that when it is a UK wide matter all can vote but purely country specific issues are reserved for those MPs who it actually affects?

[The Munster]

All I'm saying is that should the SNP gain power and should Scotland head for independence it would give certain groups within Scotland to become more vocal and possibley more emboldened to attempt stirring things up.

I fear a dissolution of the union would be bad for all parties involved. I fear that we haven't learned anything from when countries are split. Look at what happened in Yugoslavia. OK in some ways different to the UK, but there is a chance no matter how small that such a thing could happne in the UK.

Anyway Munson, you never answered my other question, would you like to see Scotland become independent?

I do agree it is barmy that Englsih MPs can't vote on entirely Scottish matters but Scots MPs can vote on purely English matters. Surely the framework alread exists that when it is a UK wide matter all can vote but purely country specific issues are reserved for those MPs who it actually affects?


I think independence would uplift many Scots but, in the long term, would not show any lasting benefits to Scotland. I totally agree with you in regards to your last paragraph; the votes of MP's Nationwide should either be a level playing field or, as you state, "country specific issues are reserved for those MPs who it actually affects?"