WHO's hat is in the ring?

[U-533]

Obama? ...is that how it's spelled?

A Muslim President...:hmm:

2008 should be a turning point here in America...

[joea]

Do you think before writing? Barack Obama is Chrstian according to the wikpedia article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obama#Personal_life


While working at the corporate law firm Sidley Austin LLP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidley_Austin_LLP) in the summer of 1989, Obama met Michelle Robinson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelle_Obama), then an associate attorney at the firm. They married in 1992, and have two daughters, Malia (born 1999) and Sasha (born 2001). The Obamas are members of Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Church_of_Christ).[113] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obama#_note-106)[114] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obama#_note-107) Of his religious affiliation, Obama has written:
I was drawn to the power of the African American religious tradition to spur social change. [...] In the history of these struggles, I was able to see faith as more than just a comfort to the weary or a hedge against death; rather, it was an active, palpable agent in the world. [...] It was because of these newfound understandings–that religious commitment did not require me to suspend critical thinking, disengage from the battle for economic and social justice, or otherwise retreat from the world that I knew and loved–that I was finally able to walk down the aisle of Trinity United Church of Christ one day and be baptized. It came about as a choice and not an epiphany; the questions I had did not magically disappear. But kneeling beneath that cross on the South Side of Chicago, I felt God's spirit beckoning me. I submitted myself to His will, and dedicated myself to discovering His truth.[115] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obama#_note-108)


(Footnote)

^ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obama#_ref-108) Obama (2006), pp. 207-208. Excerpted in: Obama, Barack. "My Spiritual Journey", (http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1546579,00.html) TIME, October 23 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_23), 2006 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006). Retrieved on January 13 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_13), 2007 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007).Really just becasue his name sounds like Osama, you can be more thoughtful. :nope:

[U-533]

As I have stated before one may claim he/she is Christian and not be so.

Thank you for pointing this out I will look deeper into it.:)

P.S. Not just because his name sounds like "Osama"

[joea]

As I have stated before one may claim he/she is Christian and not be so.

Thank you for pointing this out I will look deeper into it.:)

P.S. Not just because his name sounds like "Osama"

Fair enough, but it doesn't mean he is Muslim, why did you think so?

[Chaotic42]

Fair enough, but it doesn't mean he is Muslim, why did you think so?His grandfather is Muslim and his name appears to come from an Arabic word (Link-http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2006/12/barack_hussein.html).

I don't think he has a chance of winning. I'd like to see Colin Powell, but he's said that he won't run. Just as long as Hillary Clinton doesn't win...

[bradclark1]

I may very well give Hillary a go. Obama does not have enough experience yet in the political arena. Powell won't run, period. McCain for some reason makes me feel uneasy in a president roll. No one else floats my boat.
Father-Son, Husband-Wife. Seems logical to me. :)

[The Avon Lady]

I'd like to see Colin Powell
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/3005/bm1160throwupalittleposhq9.jpg

[The Avon Lady]

My pick: John Bolton.

Anything less just won't do.

[Konovalov]

My pick: John Bolton.

Anything less just won't do.

You mean this guy?

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e323/BenKonovalov/Bolton.jpg

[baggygreen]

I reckon you might be surprised by Hillary, I think somehow she is a lot less... soft than billy (although he proved himself otherwise..:doh: ) Anyways, I reckon she might surprise you if given a chance.

Nothing fights harder than a mother defending her offspring....:hmm:

[The Avon Lady]

My pick: John Bolton.

Anything less just won't do.
You mean this guy?

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e323/BenKonovalov/Bolton.jpg
No. More like this guy:

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/9741/ateddyrooseveltvo9.jpg

Bully! Bully!

[Konovalov]

Ah, he looks a respectable figure if not a little dated. I prefer the photo of him in his dear skin hunting gear and rifle.

[Schatten]

Ollie North for President!

Barring that, I like the Avon Lady's pick.

As far as Obama is concerned I really don't care if he's a Muslim, Mormon or a Jew, but he simply isn't qualified to lead a Junior College debating team let alone a nation. That's it and that's that.

[Ducimus]

I'd vote for Powell if he would run. A president and commander in cheif, i feel should have a good background in the military. Not a draft dodger, and not a fortunate son hiding from the draft in the air reserves. What's more he isnt a necon warhawk, and gives me the impression he would behave more wisely then the current crackpot.

The fact that he wont run tells me he's the right man for the job, and knows better then to jump into the crock of schitt that the oval office will be when Jr hands off his mess to the next president.

[GSpector]

I agree, I'd vote for Powell if he would run too. The 1st and Primary job of the President of the United States is to protect this Country. Everything else comes second. Something the Clintons had no clue about. Both Oliver North and Colen Powell know this and would now how to do this, And still maintain the piece because they both know both sides of combat and would do what ever it take to prevent combat but would never back down when it came time to step up to bat.

I did not care for Hilary when she was playing Ms President before and I'm sure I'll like her less if it's for real.

[Bort]

Ollie North for President!
:rotfl:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c4/Oliver_North_mug_shot.jpg

Ahh yes, Mr. North, that pillar of our community that was convicted of three felonies and only barely avoided prison. (Yes I know the convictions were overturned but only on a technicality.)

Barack Obama, however, would make an excellent President. I have witnessed his rise from a mere state legislator here in Illinois to the US Senate, and throughout he has proven himself to be intelligent, hardworking and honest. I can care less if he's christian, muslim or voodoo- he is eminately qualified for the job.:know:

[Bort]

My pick: John Bolton.

Anything less just won't do.
You mean this guy?

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e323/BenKonovalov/Bolton.jpg
No. More like this guy:

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/9741/ateddyrooseveltvo9.jpg

Bully! Bully!

I'm fairly certain, having undertaken much study into Theodore Roosevelt, that he wouldn't be saying bully to Mr. Bolton. Probably something much less positive. Bolton was IMHO a total loser that couldn't even get confirmed by a REPUBLICAN senate for the UN job, and then after Bush subverted the legislature with a recess appointment was almost universally despised by his colleagues at the UN.

[GSpector]

From what i remember about Oliver North was that he was turned into a Scapegoat and he only got off those charges because He brought the entire Government blunder to the Public's attention and they could not hide the truth.

Frame ups are the way of our Government/Military to prevent those that are truely guilty from being cought. That's why Oliver North was let go on a Technicality. He did what he was told and he got cought and then turned into a Scapegoat to cover up the truth. He agreed to keep his mouth closed and they let him go in a way that did not say "Oops, we messed up".

[Schatten]

Col. North was convicted but what a lot of people don't get is when he took the Fifth Amendment it wasn't to protect himself, it was to protect national security. For some that may not be a very important distinction but to me it is. There's no way he could actually get elected, but for my money he'd be exactly the sort of President we need right now, and that's not something I can say about any of the people who've already said they were going to run in '08 be they Democrat or Republican.

The only thing I've seen Obama do, is be Obama. Which is appearently enough if the media loves ya...

The way the world is right now it's important that we have someone as President who isn't just going to be there, but actually will be prepared to make some very tough decisions that some people, or a lot of people even, won't like. We're in the Age of Terror here and can't simply have another Poll Watcher President who's afraid of offending anyone, even the people that want to do us harm.

[Chaotic42]

I'd like to see Colin Powell http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/3005/bm1160throwupalittleposhq9.jpg

That's very... odd...

Do you have a picture that describes what policies of Powell's that you don't like?

[The Avon Lady]

I'd like to see Colin Powell http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/3005/bm1160throwupalittleposhq9.jpg

That's very... odd...

Do you have a picture that describes what policies of Powell's that you don't like?
Dig into this article (http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110008872) to see what an untrustworthy backstabber Powell is.

The article also coveniently points out the pressures from Powell and company at the State Dept. against Bolton's nomination. Do you truly believe that the State Dept's current and past records of decades of bungled diplomacy and non-objective interests is the place to look for the leadership of the US? The thought actually makes me sicker than the little fluffy bunny implied.

And Powell has become a wimp in the fight against America's enemy, Islam. He no longer follows through on any of the tough words he uttered back in the days of the Gulf War. He is barely a shadow of his old past. He is not made of the right stuff for leadership, not even for his current position. I hope that you never have to mark my words.
I'm fairly certain, having undertaken much study into Theodore Roosevelt, that he wouldn't be saying bully to Mr. Bolton.
Oh, really? Why not?
Probably something much less positive.
Such as?
Bolton was IMHO a total loser that couldn't even get confirmed by a REPUBLICAN senate for the UN job,
Nothing like a winning Republican senate!
and then after Bush subverted the legislature with a recess appointment was almost universally despised by his colleagues at the UN.
Which is what was excellent about him. In fact, Bolton is reminiscent of the late Jean Kirkpatrick (RIP). Incidentally, Kirkpatrick said of John Bolton last year, regarding his failed nomination:

"one of the smartest people I've ever encountered in Washington."

You can have your Republican loser senators - the whole lot of them.

Here's the latest article about Bolton (2 pages): Ousted Bolton puts world to rights (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-2546055,00.html)

Bully! Bully!

And here's an appropriate almost immortal and prophetic quote for you:

"We stand equally against government by a plutocracy and government by a mob. There is something to be said for government by a great aristocracy which has furnished leaders to the nation in peace and war for generations; even a democrat like myself must admit this. But there is absolutely nothing to be said for government by a plutocracy, for government by men very powerful in certain lines and gifted with "the money touch," but with ideals which in their essence are merely those os so many glorified pawnbrokers."
- Theodore Roosevelt, letter to Sir Edward Grey, 1913

One more appropriate quote, representing what Bolton has very much stood for throughout his career:

"Any country whose people conduct themselves well can count upon our hearty friendship. If a nation shows that it knows how to act with reasonable efficiency and decency in social and political matters, if it keeps order and pays its obligations, it need fear no interference from the United States. Chronic wrongdoing, or an impotence which results in a general loosening of the ties of civilized society, may in America, as elsewhere, ultimately require intervention by some civilized nation, and in the Western Hemisphere the adherence of the United States to the Monroe Doctrine may force the United States, however reluctantly, in flagrant cases of such wrongdoing or impotence, to the exercise of an international police power."
- Theodore Roosevelt, Fourth State of the Union Address, 1904

Bully, bully, Bolton!

[Konovalov]

Something to think about:…

Where did you cut and paste that from? :hmm:

Something more to think about. This should clear things up: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp

Care to comment?

Edit: I have removed my quote above of geetrue's text/post as per his request via PM today and in light of his retraction of an earlier post concerning United States Senator Barack Obama.

[The Avon Lady]

I love Snopes. :yep:

[Tchocky]

I read the post at snopes you linked me to and it is almost the same, uh? But all they did is kick it around and say it was false without proof.

But without the OP's comments ... Lets just take the truth ... He is from a black muslim background ... He was born in Hawaii ... but grew up in Indonesian ... His mother divorced one muslim and married another muslim ... So far so good with the truth, right.

Growing up doesnt happen between the ages of 6 and 10, he didnt grow up in Indonesia. So far so good with the exaggeration, then?

What if Truman, Ike, kenendy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Clinton or Bush had the same background and then said they were born again Christians? Would they then become eligible in the sight of all men to run for President of the United States with any hope of obtaining that office?.

Why should a candidate's religion make a difference? And surely the point of being a "born-again" Christian is that a fundamental change ocurred?

[Konovalov]

Yes, I care to comment ... I did not cut and paste ... I tried to, but it would not paste right. I think it some kind of software that keeps you from doing this ... I had to manually type the same information I posted from a source I can not divulge, because I do not have his permission.

Right.....:shifty:

And Dr John Reid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Reid_(politician)), the British Home Secretary is a pinko commie who is plotting a Communist takeover of power here in Britain. I know this because I attained the information from a source which regrettably I cannot reveal to the public as I don't have permission. But all you need to know is that in his youth at university he was a member of the British Communist Party. Give me a break. :roll:

[Enigma]

Plus I can't be prejudice ... I love Secretary of State Ms Rice

I know you didnt meant it to be, but thats the funniest thing I've read all day....
:yep:

[joea]

Plus I can't be prejudice ... I love Secretary of State Ms Rice
I know you didnt meant it to be, but thats the funniest thing I've read all day....
:yep:

Yes indeed. :rotfl:

[Konovalov]

Fair enough, but it doesn't mean he is Muslim, why did you think so?His grandfather is Muslim and his name appears to come from an Arabic word (Link-http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2006/12/barack_hussein.html).

I don't think he has a chance of winning. I'd like to see Colin Powell, but he's said that he won't run. Just as long as Hillary Clinton doesn't win...

There are even a few right ring blogs who have even been highly critical of the Debbie Schlussel fact challenged ramble:
http://baldilocks.typepad.com/baldilocks/2006/12/a_warning_to_th.html
http://www.thepoliticalpitbull.com/2006/12/barack_hussein_obama.php

[Enigma]

That first link does a good job of pointing out the blatant ignorance and, frankly, prejudice and bigotry that hes been displayed by the people who want to see this man lose. Good for the writer of that blog. I'm not sold on Obama, nor anybody for that matter, but I respect the man, and I think he deserves that, at least.

[SUBMAN1]

As I have stated before one may claim he/she is Christian and not be so.

Thank you for pointing this out I will look deeper into it.:)

P.S. Not just because his name sounds like "Osama"

It could be worse - 'Hilary'. Now that is a scary word. I see visions of Hitler when it is said.

-S

[Enigma]

Was that a conparison of Hilary Clinton to Hitler, or just a comparison of the sound of their respective names? :hmm:

[bookworm_020]

I just read that Obama has officaly thrown his hat into the ring. Will be interesting to see the response, and who else will be putting there hand up!:hmm:

[GSpector]

Quote from SUBMAN1:
"It could be worse - 'Hilary'. Now that is a scary word. I see visions of Hitler when it is said."

I'm not sure I'd go that far but She was strongly in favor of the Government keeping track of us and taking care of us. I would prefer a President that is more focused on protecting us then treating us like we're helpless and hopeless.

True, that was Hitlers goal too but I'm not sure I'd still go that far as to compare them to each other. After all, he had Military asperations and a civilian job before office.

[Schatten]

It takes a village...


...to make sure we all remember to take our naps and vitamins.


:nope:

[geetrue]

It takes a village...

...to make sure we all remember to take our naps and vitamins.


:nope:

and don't forget to back up and defrag is good advice too ... but
back to "Who's hat is in the ring?"

This is about who the next president of the United States is, but how
do I separate me and the article? Color doesn’t work …
So anything big is me and small and in quotes is them, okay.

This is kind of new to me … the rules say you can’t post an entire article
So if you want to read a prophecy on the next president of the United States
You have to go here: (That is one long link, uh?)
http://www.google.com/custom?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&oe=ISO-8859-1&safe=active&client=pub-7184117111418290&channel=3488377164&cof=FORID%3A1%3BGL%3A1%3BL%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.kimc lement.com%2Fimages%2FBAGGraphic.jpg%3BLH%3A50%3BL W%3A75%3BLBGC%3A000000%3BLC%3A%230066cc%3BVLC%3A%2 3336633%3BGALT%3A%230066CC%3BGFNT%3A%23666666%3BGI MP%3A%23666666%3BDIV%3A%23999999%3B&domains=www.kimclement.com&q=next+president&btnG=Search&sitesearch=www.kimclement.com


Excerpt from the prophet Kim Clement on the Larry King show
So when Larry King got that, you know, it was like a challenge to me. God saying, "I'm going to show you where kidnapped children are. I'm going to show you when the next great storm is. I'm going to show you who the next president is. . . " -- I KNOW who the next one is -- I'll show you things that are going to happen. Kim Clement
Odd that’s about kidnapped children the end of September, 2005
Or you can go here to Kim Clement’s web page and type in anything you want on his search engine:

http://www.kimclement.com/words/words.html (http://www.kimclement.com/words/words.html)

Now who is Kim Clement? He is a prophet out of South Africa that moved to the United States.
Kim prophesied 9/11 five years before the event
(“planes will come low over long island for the purposes of destroying America”)

Kim prophesied the election for 2000
To be the farce it was in Florida (before the count)

And Kim prophesied that America would make a mistake (proven to be in Iraq) but that God would defeat The God of the east anyway …

Signs of the times from a prophet coming true

http://www.kimclement.com/ (http://www.kimclement.com/)


Kim Clement was born September 30, 1956 in South Africa, In 1991, Kim moved with his family to the USA..
He was in a nightclub in South Africa and someone walked up to him and stabbed him in the chest. In his confusion, he staggered out into the street and collapsed.
That night, his life drained from a knife wound to his chest. After scores passed by, a stranger picked him up, carried him to his car, and drove him to a hospital. The stranger was a Christian.
He remembered then what an Anglican minister had said to him when he was 9 years old. He said, “Jesus walks the streets still today. One day you will need him, just call on him and he will touch you.”
http://www.kimclement.com/words/1996/detroit_july_1996.htm (http://www.kimclement.com/words/1996/detroit_july_1996.htm)
http://www.kimclement.com/words/1996/detroit_july_1996_interpretation.htm (http://www.kimclement.com/words/1996/detroit_july_1996_interpretation.htm)

[baggygreen]

Tell me you dont believe in prophecies...

i prophesise that there will be a reply to my post.:shifty:

for crying out loud, i still lived at home on sept 11, my mother came and woke me up saying "you remember what you said about a big terrorist strike a few weeks ago, it just happened".

Does that mean i can tell the future too?:88)

[baggygreen]

Also, that whole "god would defeat the god of the east anyway" thing is complete and utter crock.

Without looking to go on a religious trend im saying this wholly and solely to refute a comment made by this 'prophet'. (please PLEASE if you wanna start harping on about religion do it in one of their threads)

the 'god of the east' which this bloke has taken to be allah, is one and the same as the christian god. He also happens to be the jewish god. They're one and the same, to destroy one is to destroy all. and therefore that comment is, to me, proof of his bull****e-ery.:down:

[Ducimus]

And Powell has become a wimp in the fight against America's enemy, Islam. He no longer follows through on any of the tough words he uttered back in the days of the Gulf War. He is barely a shadow of his old past. He is not made of the right stuff for leadership, not even for his current position.

So says the Israeli necon warhawk :roll:

[The Avon Lady]

And Powell has become a wimp in the fight against America's enemy, Islam. He no longer follows through on any of the tough words he uttered back in the days of the Gulf War. He is barely a shadow of his old past. He is not made of the right stuff for leadership, not even for his current position.
So says the Israeli necon warhawk :roll:
Gee......... and I thought being a housewife was a full-time job. :hmm:

Slur away!

[Schatten]

So says the Israeli necon warhawk :roll:

You say that like it's a bad thing... :huh:

Personally I think Powell's gone soft myself. Can I be a neocon warhawk too? Please?

:arrgh!:

[The Avon Lady]

So says the Israeli necon warhawk :roll:

You say that like it's a bad thing... :huh:

Personally I think Powell's gone soft myself. Can I be a neocon warhawk too? Please?

:arrgh!:
Take a number and wait your turn.

:p

[baggygreen]

So says the Israeli necon warhawk :roll:

You say that like it's a bad thing... :huh:

Personally I think Powell's gone soft myself. Can I be a neocon warhawk too? Please?

:arrgh!:
Take a number and wait your turn.

:pI think im about the only neocon in australia just at the moment, the rest seem to be leaning further left than my grandads dicky knee:doh:

[sonar732]

I foresee Obama as the Democratic Nomination and Hilary as his Vice-President. Even though he's new to politics, he's a new face. People in this country are tired of seeing the same ol' same ol' and want something new. Obama has media appeal and has had a "dream" government office run since being elected into the Illinois Senate. He will pitch how he can work with both sides of an issue and has the proof to back it up.

[Enigma]

I think im about the only neocon in australia just at the moment, the rest seem to be leaning further left than my grandads dicky knee:doh:

Thats hilarious.....


Now who is Kim Clement? He is a prophet out of South Africa that moved to the United States.
Kim prophesied 9/11 five years before the event

This, too, is hilarious. You have to be f'ing kidding me. :damn:

Cuckoo!

You are seriosuly telling us with a straight face that you kow whos going to win the election because a South African Prophet told you so?

For ****s sake....

[Konovalov]

You saved me from saying it Enigma. :yep:

[Ducimus]

So says the Israeli necon warhawk :roll:

You say that like it's a bad thing... :huh:



I think it is. When looking at the opinon expressed,, its hard NOT to look at the source.

First, the source of the opinion is obviously Isralie, NOT American. Even though she "claims" to live in the US. Whatever. If she does, she obviously has Isralie interests as her number 1 priority. Not American. Flying a foriegn flag and claiming a location of Jerusalem, Israel is sort of a clue. Its an indcator of SPECIAL INTERESTS, In short,the view is already skewed, slanted or biased.

Necon, meaning neconservatve, or someone of the extreme rightwing, or simply, an extremist. Or in otherwords, see's things in only one direction, or one dimentional. In short, more bias.

Warhawk, meaning all to eager to send American's overseas to kill brown people wearing head rags and praying to some diety named Allah 8 times a day.


This isnt meant as a personal attack, but rather an assesment of poltical views that contribute to the opinion expressed, which i think is a load of ****. That is my opinion, or is somebody allergic to others opinions?

Anyway, sandbox is all your's, i got better things to do then argue with a foreign national about American politics.

[Enigma]

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady
And Powell has become a wimp in the fight against America's enemy, Islam.


I admit, I missed this earlier in the thread.....

So, America's enemy is Islam, eh? Right. :damn:

As for all the things said about Mr. Powell, I strongly disagree. Thats the nicest way I can put it.

[Schatten]

Appearently the Sarcasm Dectector Mk VI hasn't made any inroads in California yet...

Thanks for the definitions of all those things as you see them, but they're a little off. Neoconservatism isn't precisely an extreme right-wing ideology. Although that's the subtext when the media uses it. Two of the most influencial neocons of the past 30 years were Jeane Kirkpatrick and Ronald Reagan, they got their starts in the Democratic party. That's where the "neo" in the word comes from, they were the new conservatives and changed how conservativism in general was. Being a neocon isn't necessarily a Bad Thing, no matter what the press would have you believe, it's simply become a convenient boogeyman label for people who are opposed to the current administration.

As for the Warhawk thing, no one was eager to go kill "brown people who pray to Allah" until they attacked our country. A lot of my former classmates and friends served in the little Balken Field Trip in the mid '90s, and their job was partially to protect Muslims from Serbs and Croats. So the argument that we're always looking to pick a fight with Muslims is bunk, they picked the fight with us this time around.

I'm not going to touch the stuff about the Avon Lady's Israeli interests, I'm sure she can manage that fine on her own.

It is sort of ironic that you brought the Israel thing up though since one of the time honored ways for people opposed to neoconservative movement, like Pat Buchanan, to attempt to put down the movement has been to point at the number of Jewish neocons. When you look at it from a fundamental level though it makes sense since many American Jews were Democrats and have since switched over, so yes they're the very definition of neocons.

Also as far as the war we're fighting now is concerned Israel is fighting the same fight as we are, we're both being attacked by radical Islam so I don't see how (since we're allies and all) an Israeli viewpoint is somehow not valid when it comes to said war. It'd be like ignoring the British point of view during WWII.

America's enemy is radical Islam yes, I may have missed something but I don't see any planes packed full of PO'd Swedes or Bulgarians slamming into any buildings around here. Before everyone jumps on my back about that one, radical wahabi style Islam is also mainstream Islam's enemy too. It's a heck of a thing when people are afraid to even define the enemy, let alone when said enemy isn't bashful at all about saying that they're ours.

[Enigma]

Being a neocon isn't necessarily a Bad Thing, no matter what the press would have you believe, it's simply become a convenient boogeyman label for people who are opposed to the current administration.

I would suggest that the current administration isnt Republican, conservative, or neocon, but a hijacking of all such things.


no one was eager to go kill "brown people who pray to Allah" until they attacked our country.


Using that logic, I beleive we should be bombing and occupying Saudi Arabia, being that the vast majority of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudi's....

Also as far as the war we're fighting now is concerned Israel is fighting the same fight as we are, we're both being attacked by radical Islam so I don't see how (since we're allies and all) an Israeli viewpoint is somehow not valid when it comes to said war. It'd be like ignoring the British point of view during WWII.

How many Israeli's died in Iraq last year? I odnt meant to suggest the Israeli voice is invalid, just that I question this logic...

America's enemy is radical Islam yes

This I can agree with. Its when people "accidently" leave off the "Radical" that I get annoyed.

[U-533]

I have just received proof that my statement of Ill. Senator Obama being a Muslim was wrong.
He was Muslim, he now claims to be Christian.

I apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused any individual.

Thank you.:sunny:

This apology brought to you by the fact that everyone is wrong sometimes and I just happen to be man enough to admit it. Any similarity between anyone else claiming to man enough is purely coincidental.
Tax,Tag, Title,and Dealer prep are extra.

[Konovalov]

Bravo to those that have retracted/corrected false or misleading statements surrounding Senator Barack Obama. :yep:

[Schatten]

Using that logic, I beleive we should be bombing and occupying Saudi Arabia, being that the vast majority of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudi's....

Given the internal state of Saudi Arabia right now that isn't such a bad idea...I'm kidding! (mostly)

How many Israeli's died in Iraq last year?

How many Americans died in Gaza, Lebanon or the West Bank? Troops I mean? If we're fighting a global war against radical Islamic terrorism then we should walk the walk and give Hamas, Hezbollah, etc. the big stick as well. But that won't happen because of politicial reasons, at least not until Hamas follows through on its threats to hit us directly.

From a purely military point of view I know several officers who'd give various and sundry bits of their anatomy to have the Golani on their flank in Anbar Province or the Duvdevan doing intelligence gathering for them in Sadr City. But again, politically it ain't going to happen.

[Enigma]

Well, thats because there is no global war on terrorism. Kind of my point, really. No Americans died there because it wasnt their war. Just as no Israeli soldiers die in Iraq, because thats our lovely little war.

Isreal is in much greater danger ever day from terrorists, much more so than the US. Yet it's our leaders who keep suggesting we have to occupy Iraq otherwise we will be fightijng terrorists in the frozen foods aisle of a supermarket in Boise, Montana.

[Schatten]

Why would anyone want to go to Boise though? :huh:

I don't think there's any immediate threat to our frozen food aisles, but killing crazy people that hate us elsewhere is better than risking having to fight them here no matter how remote the threat to our commercial meccas (pun intended) is.

I can agree with you on the Africa thing though, we should have had troops in the Sudan years ago.

Actually we should have fully supported the ones we did have in Africa in '93 too. Since that fiasco (on a political level) the military has been understandably gunshy about getting involved in Africa only to have interest and support dissapear almost as soon as their boots hit the ground.

Oh and I think Condi would make a decent President too.

[geetrue]

Also as far as the war we're fighting now is concerned Israel is fighting the same fight as we are, we're both being attacked by radical Islam so I don't see how (since we're allies and all) an Israeli viewpoint is somehow not valid when it comes to said war. It'd be like ignoring the British point of view during WWII.

America's enemy is radical Islam yes, I may have missed something but I don't see any planes packed full of PO'd Swedes or Bulgarians slamming into any buildings around here. Before everyone jumps on my back about that one, radical wahabi style Islam is also mainstream Islam's enemy too. It's a heck of a thing when people are afraid to even define the enemy, let alone when said enemy isn't bashful at all about saying that they're ours.

Great thought for the day … What did happen to our allies?
This is no phony war, remember the first few days of 9/11 …

I do … the enemy is still out there and they are still mad about our cheer leaders
showing too much skin and our business interest in all of the world from Boeing to
Intel to GM to investment banking being better than their meager efforts …
Not to mention laser warfare weapons that can knock out any threat in the sky by
the time they can figure out how to fire a missile that far. They can read, they know
it’s coming, they want anything money can buy that can protect them or to destroy
Israel …

All that leaves is a bunch of angry people with five (5) billion dollars in poppy seed
money to spend on anything they want … that includes a way to make America fall
to it’s knees and give up on Israel being our friends. That’s why they try to turn us
against each other. Hatred is real …

You have to ask yourself … why did they get so mad at the truth when the Pope
brought it up recently … They are angry and they did make people bow down to
their swords to take over that part of the world and they still do this in Sudan.

Almost 1,400 years of a prophet with a vision to take over the world …
they will not stop till someone stops them. Long after I am gone I am afraid.

Sorry U-533 I just didn’t feel like starting my own thread … I borrowed yours …
Forgive me.

[sonar732]

Yet another topic hijacked. Let's stand on the U.S. 2008 Presidental Race...granted, yes, a canidates stance on how the war on terror will be faught sways the votes...but we are going off the deep end. :o:o

[baggygreen]

Okay, so which of the candidates and potential candidates would be most likely to wimp out and withdraw all american troops from everywhere to pander to the vocal minority, and which of them is most likely to do what is both right and needed to secure (lets face it) the western world for the 21st century?

[Schatten]

Okay, so which of the candidates and potential candidates would be most likely to wimp out and withdraw all american troops from everywhere to pander to the vocal minority, and which of them is most likely to do what is both right and needed to secure (lets face it) the western world for the 21st century?
Too early to say, but right now I'm not seeing anything approaching real leadership from either side of the aisle. Most of them have their heads down and are waiting to see how Iraq pans out, if it works they'll say they were behind it all along, if it doesn't they'll say they've been against it all the time.

I think the only potential canidate that truly understands terrorism at all on a viceral level is Guilianni, but he has some electability issues even among Republicans.

Actually I'd like to see some more from Romney on the issues, he's an interesting guy and I like what I've seen so far about most of his stands, but more info would be a good thing. The Mormon thing could hurt him from two really divergent groups, the hard right religious wing in the Republican party, and the hard left secular wing in the Democratic. Although having both those groups annoyed at you could be a plus with the soft, nougaty mass in the middle as well.

So basically: Too early to say just yet.

[baggygreen]

I wasnt even aware good old rudy was even considering it?!

[Schatten]

I wasnt even aware good old rudy was even considering it?!

Half the time he isn't sure, but he formed one of those exploratory deals. Doesn't mean he'll wind up running, but he's never come out and said he definately won't soooo...

We'll see.

[bookworm_020]

Could we have a list of contenders who have put there hand up and said they would be running? You could have a list on possible names who may run, but I just want to know is going to, not just second guesses:know:

[Schatten]

Announced really officially official candidates...

Democrat: Joe Biden, Christopher Dodd, John Edwards, Dennis Cucinich and Tom Vilsack

Republican: Duncan Hunter

Independent: Bob Hargis


That's it for the officially official ones. The ones that have done the exploratory committee dealies are: Barak Obama (D), Sam Brownback (R), James Gilmore (R), Rudy Guillianni (R), John MacCain (R), Ron Paul (R), Mitt Romney (R), and Tommy Thompson (R).

Possibles:

Wesley Clark: Said he isn't, but then said he might. (D)
Hillary Clinton: She's running, don't let her kid ya. (D)
Newt Gingrich: Said he's considering it and has visited all the early Primary states. (R)
Al Gore: Said he isn't but hasn't ruled it out completely. (D)
John Kerry: Hasn't done anything official but has been running around early Primary state. (D)
George Pataki: Another not saying one way or the other guy but who's been running around early Primary states. (R)
Bill Richardson: Is on the fence. (D)

There, that isn't all that confusing now is it? :rotfl:

[baggygreen]

condy isnt interested? i remember an article in a paper a few years ago about the possibility of hilary vs condy...

[Schatten]

Condi has said repeatedly that she didn't want to run, but if she were asked to then she'd think about it.

She actually said she really wants to be the NFL Commissioner someday, she loves football. :up:

EDIT: Oh and yeah Dick Morris wrote a whole book called "Condi vs. Hillary" but I haven't read it yet, it's always out of the local library.

[U-533]

I think we need a new type of Leadership.

The kind that will do what is needed to protect this country with out pandering to Bleeding Heart Liberals.

The kind that will not worry over who's feelings get hurt and what is Politically Correct.

We don't need a poll watcher we need a leader.

I can not even begin to say who that may be.:sunny:

[bradclark1]

I think the only potential canidate that truly understands terrorism at all on a viceral level is Guilianni, but he has some electability issues even among Republicans.

He was on the recieving end of an terrorist attack. All that does is give him cult status.

[Enigma]

I agree. Guliani simply got good PR during the days after 9/11. I have nothing against the guy, but he is chasing what I like to call the "warm n' fuzzy" vote.

Sad to say, I think its still a stretch that a woman gets elected here, let alone a black woman. I dont see that happening. And thats a shame because I think both Condi and Hilary are as qualified or more so, as the majority of men with hats in the ring.....Condi especially so, although she and I agree on little.

I'd really like to see a 2 party ticket go into office. I think that would be good for the country. We obviously need to reign in the far right, and become a more centrist government....

[Schatten]

He was on the recieving end of an terrorist attack. All that does is give him cult status.

He was in personal danger during the attack, he dealt with everything that day brought to NYC, and had to deal with the direct aftermath and cleanup for months. He saw 9/11's effects on a daily basis for a long time, so unlike a few of these candidates it's not something that he's likely to soon forget.

Which means out of all the candidates he's the one that has a bit of a clue what the most important and pressing issue for any President to deal with for the forseable future is. And it isn't stem cell research, health care or funding for wildlife preserves, it's making sure that never happens again.

I'm not saying he's my choice yet, but saying just because he got just got attacked all it did was give him a cult status is really silly in my opinion. It wasn't just a terrorist attack, it was the terrorist attack. At least it was the defining one so far, if we get someone in the Oval Office that doesn't treat what happened on 9/11 with the gravity it deserves then you can bet it'll happen again and possibly could be surpassed.

[Tchocky]

Hillary has formed an exploratory committee, much earlier than expected.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6282389.stm

[bradclark1]

He was in personal danger during the attack,
He was in as much danger as any other NYC resident.

I'm not saying he's my choice yet, but saying just because he got just got attacked all it did was give him a cult status is really silly in my opinion. It wasn't just a terrorist attack, it was the terrorist attack. At least it was the defining one so far
You just proved my point.

Which means out of all the candidates he's the one that has a bit of a clue what the most important and pressing issue for any President to deal with for the forseable future is. And it isn't stem cell research, health care or funding for wildlife preserves, it's making sure that never happens again.
I don't think any president is going to forget 9/11.

What Guliani did was what any mayor would have to do. That isn't a put down and it doesn't make him a rock star.
Besides being the NYC mayor during 9/11 the man has done nothing to single him out from the rest of the crowd IMO.

[The Avon Lady]

Fair enough, but it doesn't mean he is Muslim, why did you think so?His grandfather is Muslim and his name appears to come from an Arabic word (Link-http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2006/12/barack_hussein.html).

I don't think he has a chance of winning. I'd like to see Colin Powell, but he's said that he won't run. Just as long as Hillary Clinton doesn't win...

There are even a few right ring blogs who have even been highly critical of the Debbie Schlussel fact challenged ramble:
http://baldilocks.typepad.com/baldilocks/2006/12/a_warning_to_th.html
http://www.thepoliticalpitbull.com/2006/12/barack_hussein_obama.php
Debbie Schlussel responds (http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2007/01/hillary_camp_ag.html).

[Tchocky]

And Giuliani's in

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6333437.stm

[ASWnut101]

According to ABC news, he has got the highest approval rating so far, even more than obama and klinton.

[baggygreen]

For you americans' sakes, i hope that you vote in giuliani. From what i've read, he actually did quite a good job in nyc, terrorism aside.

Obama seems a little too hot-tempered and unable to listen to criticism to be the leader of the free world - an important quality is the ability to listen and accept constructive criticism. this thread http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=105609 shows he seems to be a little quick to snap back in a childish manner..

[Bort]

Obama seems a little too hot-tempered and unable to listen to criticism to be the leader of the free world - an important quality is the ability to listen and accept constructive criticism. this thread http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=105609 shows he seems to be a little quick to snap back in a childish manner..

Really? Hot tempered? Unable to listen to critisism?
Obama has been one of my states two senators for the past few years, and I followed his career as a state legislator long before he came to national prominece and I never saw these supposed traits in evidence. Quite to the contrary in fact. If responding to an outrageous statement by a foriegn head of government that ought not to be commenting on US politics at all is childish, what would you have done. Agreed wholeheartedly with his assertion? Gimme a break!:roll:

[Konovalov]

For you americans' sakes, i hope that you vote in giuliani. From what i've read, he actually did quite a good job in nyc, terrorism aside.

Obama seems a little too hot-tempered and unable to listen to criticism to be the leader of the free world - an important quality is the ability to listen and accept constructive criticism. this thread http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=105609 shows he seems to be a little quick to snap back in a childish manner..

Oh please. How about basing your opinion on a little more wider set of actions from Obama.

[geetrue]

Could someone please explain the financial aspects of running for president in the United States ...

Isn't it true that federal tax monies is extended to these indviduals ... :roll:

and it doesn't depend on if you are rich or poor ... didn't there use to be a little check box on the tax return asking if you wanted to ear mark $1.00 to the presidental elections?

Isn't it true that this election campaign is going to run in the neighborhood of one (1) billion dollars of private and public funds? That's ten (10) one hundred million dollars ... :yep:

My, my what a pleasant way to come to work everyday knowing that someone else is paying the bills. :cool:

[bradclark1]

And Giuliani's in

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6333437.stm
Divorced three times means he makes bad decisions.:lol:

[Ishmael]

Of the currently announced candidates, my state's favorite son, Gov. Bill Richardson.

My dream candidate: John Trudell, a Navy vet of Lakota Sioux extraction and visionary poet/spoken word artist. I have to admire a man with a 17,000 page FBI dossier. A sample:

Raging peace,

Stone Satans spoiling for blood,

When wars are sold,

Profits are in casualties.

Spilling seeds for Fables and other realities.

His website: http://www.johntrudell.com/

[JSLTIGER]

And Giuliani's in

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6333437.stm Divorced three times means he makes bad decisions.:lol:


I'd vote for him, and I'm a pretty squared away Democrat...it's a shame he'll never survive the primaries.

[The Avon Lady]

What if................... (http://hotair.com/archives/2007/02/14/video-president-rush-limbaugh-vice-president-ann-coulter/) :p

[Iceman]

If you guys are talking about real life XP then I don't know how any, Republican at least, can consider anyone else for pres than John McCain....

http://www.exploremccain.com/about/

http://www.exploremccain.com/explore/GOPACSpeechVideoShort.htm

I really don't.

I'd think McCain and Rudy would make a hellave team. :up:

This is the right stuff.


Within a few months of McCain's becoming a prisoner of war, his father, Admiral Jack McCain, was appointed commander of all U.S. forces in the Pacific. The North Vietnamese, sensing a propaganda prize, offered McCain early release.
But McCain refused early release, citing the code of conduct that prisoners of war should be released in the order in which they were captured. His captors demanded he accept their offer. McCain refused, over and over again. For his repeated defiance, his communist captors savagely beat him.
Before it was over, John McCain spent 5 years as a prisoner of war, two of them in solitary confinement.

[Bort]

What if................... (http://hotair.com/archives/2007/02/14/video-president-rush-limbaugh-vice-president-ann-coulter/) :p
I think I'm gonna be sick, that's not funny, thats just frightening. I wouldn't trust those two to operate a fruit stand, much less the US government:huh:


If you guys are talking about real life XP then I don't know how any, Republican at least, can consider anyone else for pres than John McCain....

http://www.exploremccain.com/about/

http://www.exploremccain.com/explore...VideoShort.htm (http://www.exploremccain.com/explore/GOPACSpeechVideoShort.htm)

I really don't.

I'd think McCain and Rudy would make a hellave team. :up:

This is the right stuff.



These guys just can't make it through the Republican primary, the base will eat them alive. McCain won't play ball with alot of the president's wacky ideas, which will come back to haunt him, as will his largely moderate polices, and Guliani-lets not kid ourselves, he's a Democrat who chose to play Republican so he could have a better chance at becoming mayor of New York. The real party hard liners won't put up with either of these guys, even though either of them would probably make decent presidents.:roll:

[Tchocky]

That new Fox show; I watched a few clips and it's dire. Laugh-tracked rubbish.

[Konovalov]

That new Fox show; I watched a few clips and it's dire. Laugh-tracked rubbish.

:yep: I suspect that it is meant to compete with the Daily Show. If so then it fails badly. I would be surprised if it lasts another few months before the plug is pulled. Fox News have been doing a great deal of re-jigging of it's personnel and programming of recent. Are it's ratings falling?

Has Ralph Nader finally given up on running as a candidate? :-?

[The Avon Lady]

What if................... (http://hotair.com/archives/2007/02/14/video-president-rush-limbaugh-vice-president-ann-coulter/) :p
I think I'm gonna be sick, that's not funny, thats just frightening.
Boooooooo! (http://hotair.com/archives/2007/02/14/video-hi-im-al-franken-and-im-running-for-the-united-states-senate/)

[Konovalov]

What if................... (http://hotair.com/archives/2007/02/14/video-president-rush-limbaugh-vice-president-ann-coulter/) :p
I think I'm gonna be sick, that's not funny, thats just frightening.
Boooooooo! (http://hotair.com/archives/2007/02/14/video-hi-im-al-franken-and-im-running-for-the-united-states-senate/)

Not more political scare tactics from Avon Lady. :rotfl: :rotfl:

[Tchocky]

That new Fox show; I watched a few clips and it's dire. Laugh-tracked rubbish.

:yep: I suspect that it is meant to compete with the Daily Show. If so then it fails badly. I would be surprised if it lasts another few months before the plug is pulled. Fox News have been doing a great deal of re-jigging of it's personnel and programming of recent. Are it's ratings falling?

They actively marketed it as "The Daily Show For Conservatives", translates to me as "we have no new ideas". The gags were limp, relied to much on cocky self-aware schtick.

bleh

*gives out*

[Ishmael]

What if................... (http://hotair.com/archives/2007/02/14/video-president-rush-limbaugh-vice-president-ann-coulter/) :p
I think I'm gonna be sick, that's not funny, thats just frightening.
Boooooooo! (http://hotair.com/archives/2007/02/14/video-hi-im-al-franken-and-im-running-for-the-united-states-senate/)

Hey! What's wrong with Al? He's a nice Jewish boy and he's funny.

Re: Rush/Ann. Just like Faux News, It's only in your dreams or worst nightmares.