iPhone: I want one!

[Onkel Neal]

Man, these look so cool! iPhone (http://www.apple.com/iphone/)

Check out all the stuff it can do.

But I want to wait for the version that comes with good voice recognition, I don't like poking all the keys for e-mail, web addresses, and texting. ;)

[The Avon Lady]

You don't want an IPhone. You want a whatchamacallit (http://www.canada.com/topics/technology/story.html?id=82ee5eb0-bfdc-4721-a0ce-49777f9ab302&k=52064). :roll:

Anyhoo.... my husband and I want mobile phones that make phone calls. You all remember what phone calls were, dontcha? :hmm:

[U-533]

The company I work for will fire you if you bring a cell phone to work.

Seems most people have more to talk about than the need for a paycheck..."funny ol world aint it"

[Konovalov]

Anyhoo.... my husband and I want mobile phones that make phone calls. You all remember what phone calls were, dontcha? :hmm:

I'm of the same thinking.

[bradclark1]

Don't have any, don't want any.
As far as IPhone, $500 a pop then whatever your monthly bill would be for all the do-dads! Nope, no way.

[Respenus]

I want one too! :D

If it's only 500$, it would still be cheaper then when my Motorola E1000 came out! I cost a small fortune!

I want a Video iPod, this want I get everything! An excellent marketing trick if I ever saw one!

[SUBMAN1]

Man, these look so cool! iPhone (http://www.apple.com/iphone/)

Check out all the stuff it can do.

But I want to wait for the version that comes with good voice recognition, I don't like poking all the keys for e-mail, web addresses, and texting. ;)

You can have that peice of junk. It's an Ipod! Do you want an Ipod? Stuck using Apple's formats only that are sub par to other compression formats? If it's the icons you like, put them on another phone - http://www.smh.com.au/news/mobiles--handhelds/apple-crunches-websites-over-iphone-skins/2007/01/15/1168709656280.html

Here is a good site for those in the know about the shortcomings of Ipod:
http://www.anythingbutipod.com/

-S

[Konovalov]

Happy and proud to say that I have never bought an I-Pod. One of my relatives has owned 4 or 5 because each one has gone kaput. :down:

[The Avon Lady]

Happy and proud to say that I have never bought an I-Pod. One of my relatives has owned 4 or 5 because each one has gone kaput. :down:
My husband keeps on buying MP3 players for our kids because they typically break down after about a year but we've never spent more that about US$80 for 1MB players from Samsung and similar.

[lesrae]

My husband keeps on buying MP3 players for our kids because they typically break down after about a year but we've never spent more that about US$80 for 1MB players from Samsung and similar.

1MB? You have very small songs in Israel :huh:

I just got a Samsung X830 (http://uk.samsungmobile.com/wcms/products/phones/phonedata/features/UK-SGH-X830.jsp?WT.srch=1) phone when my old Ericsson gave up the ghost, to be honest I chose it for the MP3 player and the phone/text bit came second.

[Ori_b]

Mom, u can buy one of those 512M from some esoteric company for about 170 shekels today.

[TteFAboB]

I got my cell phone for free. And received 50% off a second one. Fine, it's the ordinary Motorola V3. But it's good enough. 5 years from now I'll get another phone for free or at least with a big discount, whatever is today's super-expensive-multi-gadget-design-by-Q-thingie is tomorrow's ordinary cheap-o.

[XabbaRus]

I'm in Avon Lady's camp. Personally I can live without it, I think there is such an over reliance on them.

[_Seth_]

Well, im happy with the old Enigma machine..So you people can have your text messages and that sort of stuff... BTW: Here in Norway we still use smoke signals to get the children in for dinner..:rotfl:

[Polak]

I am basically sick of cell phones, I dont need an mp3 player, video, radio, mms built in in my phone. I would like to see a robust cell phone with good battery power.

[bookworm_020]

I've had a ipod nano for over a year now, and have had no problem. I think were the ipone will win is in its easy of use and the ability to sync with your computer with little trouble.

I noyiced that it isn't running on 3G, that will most likely happen with the next generation. As the iphone won't make it to Australia till 2008 at the earliest, it means all the bugs will be worked out and 3G will be in the phone.

I might look at it when my nokia gets near the end of it's life.

[snowsub]

I've got a Sony-Ericsson Walkman mobile and it plays mp3's fine, but the major thing is battery life, how long will the I-phone play music until it's battery goes flat :hmm:

[The Avon Lady]

I must confess, it's impressive (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH0-GKBmOE8)! :yep:

[Tronics]

and AT&T provides the service?


My god it's full of lesser phone companies.

AT&T only needs to consume about four more companies to re-create the deamon that was MA BELL.

[kiwi_2005]

Well i never bothered to own a phone till i got the internet :rotfl:Put it this way if you didn't need a phone connection to run the internet i would have no phone, just the net. Even now their are those gadgets that look like mini LCD screens on a stand plug it into your pc and your got video chat as long as the other person has the same gadget you can communicate. Now thats what i want!

[GSpector]

Don't know if it's true or not but I heard today that the iPhone's display burns out real quick and poor battery life.

Does anyone know if this is true?

[Jimbuna]

Probably get accused of being an Ancient Britain, but I'm happy with my Blackberry :oops:

[The Avon Lady]

Probably get accused of being an Ancient Britain, but I'm happy with my Blackberry :oops:
You're a regular Stonehenge!

[Ishmael]

and AT&T provides the service?


My god it's full of lesser phone companies.

AT&T only needs to consume about four more companies to re-create the deamon that was MA BELL.

Time to enforce the Sherman Anti-trust Act.

[The Avon Lady]

and AT&T provides the service?


My god it's full of lesser phone companies.

AT&T only needs to consume about four more companies to re-create the deamon that was MA BELL.

Time to enforce the Sherman Anti-trust Act.
Right away, Mr. Peabody!
http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/7954/119985284f2095a4cbdost4.jpg

[Heibges]

and AT&T provides the service?


My god it's full of lesser phone companies.

AT&T only needs to consume about four more companies to re-create the deamon that was MA BELL.

But at least the prices are a lot cheaper.

[Onkel Neal]

Ok, been in line three days, the barricades are down and the mad geek rush to get the iPhone is on!

...no, I'm certainly not in any line to pay $600 to beta test an iPhone ;) I'll gladly wait a few months and see how it goes with the people who get sucked into the hype (http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?alias=iphone-sellers-open-doors&chanId=sa003&modsrc=reuters). If it's good, maybe I'll get one.

http://www.sciam.com/media/externalnews/2007-06-29T230716Z_01_NOOTR_RTRIDSP_2_TECH-IPHONE-DC.jpg

[Heibges]

Microsoft's Answer to the iPhone.

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzwYCWdVzfU

[darius359au]

Reading the stats Ive got 1 big problem with the iphone - theyv'e only got 8gig of storage (Same as a Nano) , I'd want it to have atleast the same as a normal ipod before I replaced my ipod or my mobile.That being said its a very tasty piece of Tech and I would like to have one ;):lol:

[Heibges]

This is what you really really want anyway. It practically has a joystick.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l18vt2EGQJQ

[Onkel Neal]

Reading the stats Ive got 1 big problem with the iphone - theyv'e only got 8gig of storage (Same as a Nano) , I'd want it to have atleast the same as a normal ipod before I replaced my ipod or my mobile.That being said its a very tasty piece of Tech and I would like to have one ;):lol:

Yeah, no doubt, it's a sweet look gadget. I would want it mainly to browse the web anywhere, e-mail, IM, and phone service.

[Skybird]

I HATE handies.

Accept them only for things related to emergencies (being available for ill persons who may need to call for help, etc.). Beyond that, they are a plague. Mobile internet? Sounds like a threat to me.

And 500$ only? For a tenth of that I get a decent wire-telephone with telephone book and integrated digital answering machine. The advantage is that these things stay at home when I leave, and will not kill my and other people's nerves on the wrong moment.

's wird sowieso schon vielzuviel Quatsch geschnattert!

But for sentimental reasons I would accept one of those portable mini-vid-phones they used in Moonbase Alpha 1. :D

[Jimbuna]

This is what you really really want anyway. It practically has a joystick.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l18vt2EGQJQ

I'd certainly settle for one of those :yep:
Mind you, it took me 3 months to fully understand how to use my Blackberry so I'd probably need a couple of years :lol:

[Onkel Neal]

I HATE handies.

Accept them only for things related to emergencies (being available for ill persons who may need to call for help, etc.). Beyond that, they are a plague. Mobile internet? Sounds like a threat to me.

And 500$ only? For a tenth of that I get a decent wire-telephone with telephone book and integrated digital answering machine. The advantage is that these things stay at home when I leave, and will not kill my and other people's nerves on the wrong moment.

's wird sowieso schon vielzuviel Quatsch geschnattert!

But for sentimental reasons I would accept one of those portable mini-vid-phones they used in Moonbase Alpha 1. :D

You're kidding, right? How do you feel about ladders? Should only be used on construction sites? :hmm:

[Dowly]

If you ask me, all these iSomethings are overrated. I really cant understand all the fuzz. I'm happy with my current Nokia mobile and I also have a cheap 512mb Mp3 player. And that's enough for me. :yep:

[Skybird]

You're kidding, right? How do you feel about ladders? Should only be used on construction sites? :hmm:
No kidding. Believe it or not, both in the house where I live and in the house that my family owns, we have no ladders, but stairs. ;)

I simply feel annoyed and angry when I have a walk outside, or I am in the supermarket, or something else, then somebody calls me and expects me to spend time with him no matter the situation I am in. He should call me at home. If I am not at home, he will call again. If he doesn't, then it wasn't important. End of story. I even do not switch on my answering machine most time when I leave.

And as I already said: there is much too much silly talking going on anyway. :D

[bigboywooly]

The Nokia N91 has 8Gb of storage too
And 3G technology

:roll:

Will stick with that thanks

[Chock]

Hoping to snag one for free, since I do a fair bit of work for Apple. Probably won't get one though :rotfl:

I'm not about to pay that kind of money for something like that though. I think the real good news is that its release will drive the competition and in two years there'll be several devices that can do all the same stuff for a quarter of the price, as is usually the case with Apple's stuff:rotfl:

:D Chock

[Onkel Neal]

You're kidding, right? How do you feel about ladders? Should only be used on construction sites? :hmm:
No kidding. Believe it or not, both in the house where I live and in the house that my family owns, we have no ladders, but stairs. ;)

I simply feel annoyed and angry when I have a walk outside, or I am in the supermarket, or something else, then somebody calls me and expects me to spend time with him no matter the situation I am in. He should call me at home. If I am not at home, he will call again. If he doesn't, then it wasn't important. End of story. I even do not switch on my answering machine most time when I leave.

And as I already said: there is much too much silly talking going on anyway. :D


That's a pretty good comeback, about the stairs :rotfl: But it's not going to help you when you need to change a light bulb or clean the gutters.

You must be one of the last people in Western Civ to feel that having someone call you to talk is rude. I agree, there is a LOT of silly talk, stupid by my standards, where people feel they have to be on their phones with someone, yak-yakking, "...so what did she say? Oh yeah?" But hey, we can get into a whole 'nother discussion about useful and wasting time.

But, in reality, the mobile phone is very useful. Don't you ever go to meet someone, and then after a while, maybe you need directions, or maybe they do not show up (and they need directions, lol)... without a mobile, you have to go home and call to see what happened. Very wasteful.

Or you and your kids split up at a large sports complex... or you are meeting a friend at the same place, with thousands of people around...man, having a mobile is great.

Or your girlfriend calls you and asks you to pick up some stuff for the kitchen on your way over (bear with me, this is actually a good thing), so you dutifully drop by the supermarket and get whatever, and then get rewarded later for being so thoughtful.

Or your office calls and they need some info? I mean, you know it is important to assist whenever possible. It's your job we're talking about here.


I simply feel annoyed and angry when I have a walk outside, or I am in the supermarket, or something else, then somebody calls me and expects me to spend time with him no matter the situation I am in.


Welllll.... no one says you have to answer it. Ignore his calls a few times, he won't call you anymore in the future ;)

[Skybird]

[But, in reality, the mobile phone is very useful. Don't you ever go to meet someone, and then after a while, maybe you need directions, or maybe they do not show up (and they need directions, lol)... without a mobile, you have to go home and call to see what happened. Very wasteful.
Never happened to me so far. Call i good preparation, I LOVE good preparation. Got lost three times only, every time in soe good-fporsaken ME place, a handy wouldn't have been of helpt, but I had a map and a compass. :lol:

Or you and your kids split up at a large sports complex... or you are meeting a friend at the same place, with thousands of people around...man, having a mobile is great.
No kids over here, except me.

Or your girlfriend calls you and asks you to pick up some stuff for the kitchen on your way over (bear with me, this is actually a good thing), so you dutifully drop by the supermarket and get whatever, and then get rewarded later for being so thoughtful.
If my girlfriend calls me, then I would be really scared to death, for she is no more.

Or your office calls and they need some info? I mean, you know it is important to assist whenever possible. It's your job we're talking about here.
After the end of my shift, I'm private. Basta. But that may come from the nature of the only payed job I am currently doing, which is by far no "career-mode".

Point is, Neal, I do not like telephoning in general. It'S like a communication quicky. People do not spend time to write a letter, and do not take time to spend a visit. Telephoning compares to letters or visits like a cigarette to slowly preparing and smoking a pipe, or a cigar, or 3 minutes to a full night. And beyond that, it simply irritates me to talk to some stranger I cannot see and whom I cannot watch into the eyes to see what he is telling me for real.

But as I said, in understand the practical use of a handy in emergancy-like scenarios. Or my mom, she is kind of ill, and when my father was not in the city, I had his cellphone so that she could call me if something happened. But beyond this pratcical situation, I personally have zero need for handies. Or electronic organizers. Or BlueTooth. Wireless connections (cable is safer and less electro-smogging anyway). My freinds and colleagues were laughing at me when always having a map and a compass with me, where they trust in GPS. Well, what should I say: one time their batteries failed, one time the thing simply was broken.

If I would need to buy a car, I wopuld try to get a very simple, mechnaicla one, leaving out electronical intricacies as much as possible. I probably wpuld end up with some russian-,made thing :lol:

Keeping habits simple made my whole life a bit more simple and less haunted by accidents and troubles deriving from broken equipement. Plus: I like to do manual stuff. HiTech automatism I only find attractive in simulations :D

Queer, eh? :rotfl: I even never boarded an airliner, only small planes not bigger than a Caravan. Longer distances i travelled by rail, sometimes car, and trade ships exclusively. Far more intense and detailed travelling experience, while flying completely leaves out the time component. It's like beaming: boring.

[Sailor Steve]

Probably get accused of being an Ancient Britain, but I'm happy with my Blackberry :oops:
I'm an absolute Luddite! My cell phone is for talking, and then only to arrange a time to do it face-to-face. I'm perfectly happy with my...phone. It's not even a flip-phone!:cool:

[Chock]

Good for you Sailor Steve. Last time I went to get a mobile phone (after the 9 key went U/S on my old one, which was nearly ten years old) the 12 year-old that was attempting to serve me in the shop started bleating on something like this...

Shop person: 'this one has a 10 billion megapixel camera on it and it does your laundry for you and...'
Me: 'Can you make and receive calls on it?'
Shop person: 'What?'
Me: 'I came in for a phone, not a camera, I have a digital camera'
Shop person: 'Yes but..'
Me: 'If I want to take a photograph, I will use my camera, I don't want a phone that can take pictures, in the same way as I don't want a kettle that can record television programmes, am I getting through to you?'
Shop person: 'But...'
Me: 'bye'

Ten minutes later I bought a pay as you go phone in Tesco for 30 quid.

:D Chock

[Skybird]

Probably get accused of being an Ancient Britain, but I'm happy with my Blackberry :oops:
French civil servants and state officials have been forbidden to use Blackberrys for office communications, since their servers are located in the US and Britain and French government has been warned that this makes it easy for US intel to spy on internal information of the French government and departments.

But since you are Ancient British, you are forgiven. :smug:

[Heibges]

Probably get accused of being an Ancient Britain, but I'm happy with my Blackberry :oops:
I'm an absolute Luddite! My cell phone is for talking, and then only to arrange a time to do it face-to-face. I'm perfectly happy with my...phone. It's not even a flip-phone!:cool:

Luddite? :D My wife and I are the only two people in California without cellphones.:D

She's taking our nephew to Disneyland when he comes for a visit this summer.

Someone said to her, how could she take a child all the way to Los Angeles without a cellphone.

Her answer. "In a car.":rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[Sailor Steve]

:rotfl: That's great!

I refused to have one at all until I was in a situation where I couldn't use the landlady's phone, so I got one just to not bother her. I like it now just because it has a built-in phone book, so I don't have to look up friends' numbers or carry paper around.

I have at least one friend who still won't have one. He even hates to use his home phone except for absolutely necessary calls.

[Skybird]

I have at least one friend who still won't have one. He even hates to use his home phone except for absolutely necessary calls.
Hear hear! :lol:

[Heibges]

I have at least one friend who still won't have one. He even hates to use his home phone except for absolutely necessary calls.
Hear hear! :lol:

His name isn't Paulie Vario is it?:lol:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0099685/

"Paulie hated telephones. He wouldn't have one in his house. There were guys, that was all they did, was handle Paulie's phonecalls."

[Onkel Neal]

Yeah, ok, very interesting.

There was an old aunt of mine, years ago she refused to let her son put one of those new-fangled porcelain "toilets" in her house. Who in their right mind would allow such unsanitary behavior right next to the family room?! She finally gave in and let him build an enclosure on the porch :lol:

I think it is interesting when people push so hard against some new tech that is accepted by the majority of the population. Probably many of us do it in some form or another. I confess to being like that, back about 8 years ago. The cell phone was still somewhat new, and since I really didn't feel the need for one, I didn't see what all the fuss was over. It got to be such a hassle not having one, though. Like Steve says, it is great to have your complete phone book built in (mine has 300 names, family, friends, business, Subsim).

I'm pretty flexible when it comes to the type of phone. I had gotten the premier super version that the carrier gives you when you sign up, with the camera, video, streaming news, mp3 player, etc. One day I got caught in a thunderstorm and soaked it. I found it would cost $289 to replace, or I could wait 8 months for my plan to renew. Pfft, I went to Walmart and got this phone for $18 (http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=4965457). The features are very basic, no camera, no fancy ring tones, and a really plain display, but I actually like it better. It is the perfect shape, has a gret rubber edge to help secure it in the hand, no antennea nub to snag in my pants pocket, it works fine--and it is only $18! It's disposable. I bought an extra so I should be good for several years, or until I buy the iPhone 2.0.

[NefariousKoel]

I sell cell phones to people daily.

I also refer to these morons with their Mac Books waiting in line for a couple days to buy an iPhone as "iIdiots".

There are plenty 'smartphones' out there that would do the job just fine, however, add an "i" in front of the name and have Apple make it.. you're golden for all the iIdiots who buy into the iCulture.

Not to mention.. electronics are the only things coming down in price... however, anything from Apple is "price protected" which means that while all the others go down in price, they'll be raping you handily at the exact same price for a long time to come.

btw... Steve Jobs and Apple isn't some kind of saviour... they're exactly what their customers think they're fighting against in @ssholish capitalism.

Poor hippies.. I can only laugh at the irony. :rotfl:

[Skybird]

Actually, I am on no crusade aganst cell phones. It's just that very often I see people (in the warehouse) talk on the phone, while dealing with another person in front of them "en passant". This is simply extremely unpolite behavior. Or people not switching off that damn thing even in the most wanted situations (cinema, speeches, church, etc). the rest of what I said - is my personal business only. And I do not like to be at service to everybody 24 hours around the clock. Cell phones, imo, led to some very clear detoriation of social manners and polite behavior - on both ends of the line.

When working in that warehouse, I do the cashdesk job often. You would be surprised how many people are cursing their phones when you have the chance to see several hundred customers during a day. No joke. I think many do not have it becasue they want it, but they follow a trend to be trendy.

where it becomes absurd is when handies turn into status sym bols. when people sit down,. they imemdiately put their phones on the table, whhcih socialpsychologically has three messages: 1. "Look how important I am." 2. "The world cannot do without me - I expect to be called every moment." 3. "Look how much money I have - this is the latest model, isn't it."

Add this to the problem of jueveniles tapping blindly into the cost trap and ending up with financial debts, handies being used to exchange pornos and violent videos and to film beating-ups of class mates or sexual harassing of schoolgirls, and trading these videos via bluetooth and internet, and you see why I think that at schools handies should be banned. These problems are very great problems in germany, I know from first hand. And first schools have forbidden handies indeed, a despareate decision since nothing else worked.

BTW, is the term "handy" even used in English for cell phones?

[NefariousKoel]

Actually, I am on no crusade aganst cell phones. It's just that very often I see people (in the warehouse) talk on the phone, while dealing with another person in front of them "en passant". This is simply extremely unpolite behavior. Or people not switching off that damn thing even in the most wanted situations (cinema, speeches, church, etc). the rest of what I said - is my personal business only. And I do not like to be at service to everybody 24 hours around the clock. Cell phones, imo, led to some very clear detoriation of social manners and polite behavior - on both ends of the line.


On occasion, I agree with you Skybird. This is one.

Little will piss me off more than being mid-conversation with someone - especially when they're asking my advice or help - and they pick up their cell and start talking mid-sentence. I have almost killed people. Very rude.

Sad thing is... I've had my phone ringing mid-conversation and I shut it off... even the person I'm speaking to is thrown off and seems to think I'm a freak for not answering my phone. Even though I'd been talking to them for some time.

Have some fvckin manners, people.

[Skybird]

Have some fvckin manners, people.
:dead: Make a start.

[TteFAboB]

...jueveniles tapping blindly into the cost trap and ending up with financial debts, handies being used to exchange pornos and violent videos and to film beating-ups of class mates or sexual harassing of schoolgirls, and trading these videos via bluetooth and internet, and you see why I think that at schools handies should be banned. These problems are very great problems in germany, I know from first hand. And first schools have forbidden handies indeed, a despareate decision since nothing else worked.

Sounds worse than the days when they'd just vandalize pay phones.

[Onkel Neal]

Actually, I am on no crusade aganst cell phones. It's just that very often I see people (in the warehouse) talk on the phone, while dealing with another person in front of them "en passant". This is simply extremely unpolite behavior. Or people not switching off that damn thing even in the most wanted situations (cinema, speeches, church, etc). the rest of what I said - is my personal business only. And I do not like to be at service to everybody 24 hours around the clock. Cell phones, imo, led to some very clear detoriation of social manners and polite behavior - on both ends of the line.


BTW, is the term "handy" even used in English for cell phones?

No, not at all. We call them cell phones.

I agree, 100% about the behavior issue. Especially in the movies. :nope:

[Reaves]

I've got an Ipod that I use in the car instead of cd's. The problem is, the battery is gone so I need to constantly have it charging and the other day one of the sound channels stopped working so i'm only getting mono sound. Don't know if it's my cables or the actual IPOD yet. but...

I won't be too quick to buy another Apple product. Not unless I can easily replace the battery myself.

[SUBMAN1]

Man, these look so cool! iPhone (http://www.apple.com/iphone/)

Check out all the stuff it can do.

But I want to wait for the version that comes with good voice recognition, I don't like poking all the keys for e-mail, web addresses, and texting. ;)

Why would you want something locked into Apple's stupid music format? Do i need to teach you a thing or two about music playback quality?

-S

[Tchocky]

Well, if it was solely a music player, no...but there's a lot of functions on that gadget.

Still, I don't even remotely desire one. Don't like the touchscreen, keyboard, size, cost or format

woo :)

[SUBMAN1]

Well, if it was solely a music player, no...but there's a lot of functions on that gadget.

Still, I don't even remotely desire one. Don't like the touchscreen, keyboard, size, cost or format

woo :)

Buy a Pocket PC with integrated phone - you'll be much happier.

[NefariousKoel]

Have some fvckin manners, people. :dead: Make a start.


Well...

I apologize for having my way with your sensitive sensibilities Skybird. :roll:

[lesrae]

I got one of these, printed out on nice shiny card, for my birthday yesterday from a mate:

http://www.buyappleiphone.com/images/iphone.jpg

From: http://www.buyappleiphone.com/ (http://www.buyappleiphone.com/)

[Onkel Neal]

No doubt, it's a cool device. I would be thrilled if Apple sent one to Subsim... not going to happen, of course. But as for coughing up $500... I'll wait for the competition to help develop the field and lower the price.

[SUBMAN1]

No doubt, it's a cool device. I would be thrilled if Apple sent one to Subsim... not going to happen, of course. But as for coughing up $500... I'll wait for the competition to help develop the field and lower the price.

Don't worry - after the early adopters, the consensus says that it will flop. Buy a PPC enabled phone instead. Way more software. May not flip around as much, but if you install a good front end, you can make it do more than this iPhone.

-S