Vista

[TDK1044]

This Blog is only one person's opinion, but for those wanting to leap at getting Vista and Vista video cards.....look before you leap. Maybe wait six months?

http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/Ou/?p=402&tag=nl.e064 (http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/Ou/?p=402&tag=nl.e064)

[STEED]

Anyone with common sense would give it even longer at least a year. I shall seat back and watch those who can not wait. ;)

PS: This topic has been on the SH3 & General forums. :yep:

[TDK1044]

I'm with you, STEED. I always give Microsoft at least a year to bug fix any new OS.

[LeafsFan]

Wise advice.

HB

[Onkel Neal]

I'm getting ready to buy a couple of laptops for my daughters' birthday (twins). I'm going to get Vista, I don't want to buy a new laptop with an OS that is 5 years old and on the way out. I guess I can live with Vista bugs.

[SUBMAN1]

I've been running the Beta's and have not had the frustration this guy has had. SOmething is wrong with his hardware I'd say if it keeps crashing.

The built in DRM however is a problem for me. I manipulate video for playback from HD's all the time to my TV via my Media Player. Not being able to read VOB's would be a major issue! Of course, I have not tried 3rd party software yet to see if this little problem can be overcome??? Of course, if you want to use the Media Center features of Vista, then that negates any capability of using 3rd party software anyway.

I don't have the released version yet, but Microsoft is sending me 10 copies so I'll have it soon. I think I'll leave my main system at home running MCE 2005 though since I like MCE 2005!

-S

[TteFAboB]

I'm getting ready to buy a couple of laptops for my daughters' birthday (twins). I'm going to get Vista, I don't want to buy a new laptop with an OS that is 5 years old and on the way out. I guess I can live with Vista bugs.

What about my laptop daddy! I have always been your favourite! Did I mentioned you're looking handsome today? I know you already gave me my Mercedes, and my Prada bag, and my Gucci sunglasses, all paid with Subsim donations, oh, and a cruise trip to the Caribbean on new years eve too, but if my lovely sisters (grrrrrrr!) can have a laptop so can I! Can't I daddy? Pleeeeease?

[geetrue]

The biggest problem for me is I want to fly FSX so bad I can taste it and I haven't been able to fly in big cities, yet.

Vista is for DX10 or I should say DX10 is for Vista ...

You understand what I'm saying, right? DX10 will not be available for XP sp2, just Vista.


You also will need a DX10 motherboard, DX10 video card and Vista just to run DX10, plus FSX will have to be have a tweak too.

Then I can fly, but by that time SH4 will be out ... I'm really looking fwd to it.

I owe my soul to the company store. I only have about $100 a month budget anyway.

Summer before I can think Vista ...

If anyone is interested I found XP Pro sp2 with a Vista upgrade coupon for only $139.00 ...

[Sailor Steve]

I was just reading an article in Maximum PC on DX10. It looks pretty amazing. Expensive, too, but amazing.

[waste gate]

Is this the VISTA of which you are speaking?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/08/AR2007010801352.html

[SUBMAN1]

The biggest problem for me is I want to fly FSX so bad I can taste it and I haven't been able to fly in big cities, yet.

Vista is for DX10 or I should say DX10 is for Vista ...

You understand what I'm saying, right? DX10 will not be available for XP sp2, just Vista.


You also will need a DX10 motherboard, DX10 video card and Vista just to run DX10, plus FSX will have to be have a tweak too.

Then I can fly, but by that time SH4 will be out ... I'm really looking fwd to it.

I owe my soul to the company store. I only have about $100 a month budget anyway.

Summer before I can think Vista ...

If anyone is interested I found XP Pro sp2 with a Vista upgrade coupon for only $139.00 ...

THere is no reason why DX10 can't run on XP. It is just Microsoft's way of forcing Vista down the gamers throat. I left 30 GB open on my RAID, so I guess I will be dual booting.

-S

[geetrue]

Good article wastegate ... I would have never known that without your link.

Perhaps this is why Microsoft and NSA have concerns ...

China targets 10 billion dollar software exports by 2010



China plans to boost its software exports to 10 billion U.S. dollars by 2010, as
part of its bid
to evolve from a manufacturing powerhouse to a major player in innovation
and services.
To reach the goal, China's software exports will have to grow by 25 percent per
year, according to a document jointly issued by the Ministry of Commerce, the
State Administration of Taxation (SAT) and seven other central authorities.
The document, posted on SAT's website, says the government's goal is to
foster a group of globally competitive software firms with their own brands and
intellectual property rights.
Software firms will receive preferential treatment in regard to taxation, borrowing
and foreign exchange controls, among other areas.
In the face of increasing friction with major trading partners over goods, China
has drafted an ambitious plan to increase trade in services from 160 billion dollars
in 2005 to 400 billion dollars in 2010.
The development of the software industry is a key part of the strategy, the document
says.
According to figures from the Ministry of Commerce, China exported 3.6 billion
dollars worth of software and related services in 2005, a rise of 28 percent year on year.
Source: Xinhua

[Onkel Neal]

DX10... what is it? One more than DX9, right? :88) Is it a vast improvment in games and graphics?

[nightdagger]

Exponentially. Google "crysis" and you'll know what I mean.

You don't need a DX10 motherboard though. All you need is a decent processor (Core 2 or A64/K8L is the best) and a PCI express slot to take advantage of the DX10 goodness (provided the PCIe slot has a good card in it...)

The guy from the link in the original post sounds extremely bitter for some reason, like he's taking the bugs personally. I have the Vista Ultimate RTM on my rig and I know that there are/will be bugs for quite a while. I just find a way around and/or DEAL WITH IT. It's a great OS for the time it's been out and it's overall many times better than XP was when it came out and even better than it is right now.

[Onkel Neal]

So, you're saying my 4 year old Pentium 2.4 GHz and GeForce 6600GT won't cut the mustard with DX10 :cry: Man, those crysis screens sure look good....

[nightdagger]

DX10 Games? No. Aero Glass prettiness? Yes.

[Finback]

I've playing around with the Betas for a few months and have Vista to be fairly stable. I like it IF it's run on a beefy machine. Driver support for it up to this point is really lame though. Hope vendors (and microsoft) fix this quick.

That being said... DON'T try to run Vista with less that a gig of memory. It's a resource hog compared to XP. DX10 looks to be outstanding although we'll have to see if reality meets the hype. It probably will but with only NVidia supplying DX10 video cards right now (8800 GTS and 8800 GTX) the price will remain $450-700 for awhile. I hope AMD/ATI puts out some competition for that chipset soon. That's more than I'm willing to pay for a video card.

Sorry subman (sincerely) but DX10 won't work on XP because the foundation code for Vista has been written from the ground up. That means it's not just a new layer over a DOS OS.

I'll get Vista soon after it's release only because I need to know so I can still fix peoples computers:damn: . For the average user? Wait a few months until the DX10 software starts to roll out and see how it goes. DX10 hardware will only get cheaper while you wait.

Cheers!!!

Finback

[Gizzmoe]

Sorry subman (sincerely) but DX10 won't work on XP because the foundation code for Vista has been written from the ground up. That means it's not just a new layer over a DOS OS.
Windows 2000 or XP are also not just a new layer over a DOS OS, they are fully-fledged operating systems. The last DOS-based Windows was Windows ME.

The only reason why there is no DX10 for XP is because Microsoft doesn´t want that, for strategic reasons. If they would release DX10 for XP gamers would basically have no reason to upgrade to Vista, because XP is actually a pretty decent OS. It´s fast, reliable, doesn´t consume much memory, supports dual-core CPU´s/SMP and comes in 32- and 64-bit flavours. I´m totally happy with it...

If you still think that it´s technically impossible or at least very hard for Microsoft to release DX10 for older operating systems then take a look at DX9. It´s available for 98, ME, 2000, and the 32-bit and 64-bit versions of Server 2003, XP and Vista.

[SUBMAN1]

This guys blog just shows that he doesn't have much experience with Vista by the way. THings like being able to read VOB's from ripped DVD's is just a reg setting away. He just hasn't figured it out yet.

And for the DX10 comment - that is not correct (from my understanding) - it is simply a graphics / code base similar to .NET. Let me ask a friend or two at MS and I'll get back to you on this.

For those that are worried - I dug this article up - DX10 will be coming to Windows XP. Or at least support of it for XP so games like Crysis run under XP:

http://theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=35110

-S

[Finback]

Very Cool! Thanks for pointing that out! Just goes to show that there's always something more to learn.

I'll be more than happy to stick with XP as my main OS. At least until Vista SP2 is released.

Cheers!

:yep:

[SUBMAN1]

The official word is that DX10 is just DX9 with better efficiency to run WDM since apparently it struggled on DX9. Also, there are no plans to incoprorate DX10 into XP, but we already knew that. DX9 L will do what all of us want it to do. I hear that if you use DX9 on Vista instead of DX10, you will incur about a perf hit as I understand it.

So with that answer, I guess i'll just quit worry about it since I will be able to play everything on MCE 2005 or Vista. I'll dual boot it to see if there is any perf gain or anything better, but I think I'll stick with MCE 2005 for the time being. I have 10 copies of Vista on the way, so I'll do some testing when they arrive. I didn't bother to run the Beta on my main system - just ran it on some laptops. But I'll run the relase version on my main system - I left 30 GB un-partitioned for testing it so that I could dual boot it.

-X

[SUBMAN1]

Hahaha! Final word is that the WDM excuse for not putting DX10 on XP is BS! But we probably all expected that too.

-S

[SUBMAN1]

Vista DX10 blog - http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windowsvista/articles/447226.aspx

-S

[peterloo]

Don't install it now... Install it now is meaning that you give your system's key to hackers... Only few fixes are released by I'm pretty sure most of the bugs are undiscovered

[SUBMAN1]

Don't install it now... Install it now is meaning that you give your system's key to hackers... Only few fixes are released by I'm pretty sure most of the bugs are undiscovered

That is what NAT is for

[Gizzmoe]

For those that are worried - I dug this article up - DX10 will be coming to Windows XP. Or at least support of it for XP so games like Crysis run under XP:

http://theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=35110
One day later they corrected the article:
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=35140

"We managed to confirm the existence of DirectX 9.0L but it won't be a DirectX 10 for Windows XP. It will be the other way around. It is a faster version of DirectX 9.0 that will run under Vista only.

So I have to disappoint all of you who expected to run DirectX 10 games under Windows XP (and apologise, huh, Fudo? News Ed.) as there won't be an API to supports it."

See also:
http://letskilldave.com/archive/2006/10/17/DirectX-10-for-Windows-XP_3F00_--Repeat-after-me_3A00_-No.-No.-No_2E00_.aspx

[nightdagger]

Yeah, don't base things on the Inquirer...

[Gizzmoe]

"Windows XP vs. Vista: The Benchmark Rundown"

http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/01/29/xp-vs-vista/index.html

Conclusion: K.O. For Windows Vista?

Windows Vista clearly is not a great new performer when it comes to executing single applications at maximum speed. Although we only looked at the 32-bit version of Windows Vista Enterprise, we do not expect the 64-bit edition to be faster (at least not with 32-bit applications).

Overall, applications performed as expected, or executed slightly slower than under Windows XP. The synthetic benchmarks such as Everest, PCMark05 or Sandra 2007 show that differences are non-existent on a component level. We also found some programs that refused to work, and others that seem to cause problems at first but eventually ran properly. In any case, we recommend watching for Vista-related software upgrades from your software vendors.

There are some programs that showed deeply disappointing performance. Unreal Tournament 2004 and the professional graphics benchmarking suite SPECviewperf 9.03 suffered heavily from the lack of support for the OpenGL graphics library under Windows Vista. This is something we expected, and we clearly advise against replacing Windows XP with Windows Vista if you need to run professional graphics applications.

We are disappointed that CPU-intensive applications such as video transcoding with XviD (DVD to XviD MPEG4) or the MainConcept H.264 Encoder performed 18% to nearly 24% slower in our standard benchmark scenarios. Both benchmarks finished much quicker under Windows XP. There aren't newer versions available, and we don't see immediate solutions to this issue.

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[Officerpuppy]

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/buyorupgrade/upgradeadvisor.mspx
I thought that would be handy for some to see if their current PC can run it. I tried it out and said I can run vista basic, thats not so bad, I don't really plan to do anything fancy on my PC really. Though the old saying comes to mind.....if its not broken why fix it? XP runs just fine....makes me wonder if Vista is worth it right now.

[3Jane]

Some more details about vista

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6319845.stm