So full of pride...so dead.

[IceGrog]

My short career of 1939 (GWX) I headed straight for Scapa Flow, kept running into lone ships that we took down with the deck guns, a total of about 8000 tons, even a small sailing ship we took out with the AA guns for a grand total of 8008 tons. Finally arrived at Scapa Flow at night, had to hide from a couple of destroyers before we got thru the sunken ships, going thru these in the pitch black of night was cool, had to stand on the conning tower the whole time, a wee bit cold but the weather was calm. Once in went to periscope depth. Slowly pass by two anchored destroyers, must have been no one on watch, proceeded to northward into a large troop ship was sighted, next to another anchored destroyer.
As we readied the torpedoes, I had second thoughts, once the troop ship was hit would we be able to get out with all the destroyers around, but came this far, fired two torpedoes at the troop ship and one at the destroyer then immediately turned to traced our path back out. When the troop ship came into sight my rear tube, I fired another at her, and now the first two destroyers were dead ahead of me, fired one at the closest one. A report of torpedo impact was announced, must have been the troop ship, then another impact, then a report of a missed torpedo, couldn’t believe this we were within 1200m and of the troopship and destroyer, how could we miss? I was thinking it had to be the destroyer that we missed. Then a report of ship going down (the first destroyer) then another report of another impact and a ship going down (the second destroyer).
By this time reports of warships on the move were all over the bay. We were coming into range of the first anchored destroyer that we passed coming in, still sitting there, and now we had another torpedo loaded, we fired. In the distance behind us we could lights scanning the bay for us and hear the explosions of depth charges. I was worried about have to surface to get back through the sunken ship barricade. This was best part of this mission; my heart was pounding as I was on the surface knowing that any of the warships now could take me out so easily. But we got through and out into freedom of open sea with no problem.
As we were negotiating the sunken ships came the report of another ship going down (the troopship) yeah! This is where it all went to my head. We were thinking nobody can take us now, 1939 out in the ocean, if we see any warships we just go deep, Suddenly a report of a ship reported off our port bow, very long range. No problem, Barnard, if she comes towards us, we can avoid them, no problem, just as I thinking this, the whole u-boat lights up with an explosion, what the… take her down, bullets tearing up our deck, another explosion, blasted sub can’t go down fast enough now. Reports of heavy flooding, crap, how could have this happened, I use the special camera to look, and there in sky are two RAF clowns, 1939 wow. Now half my crew are red and we are diving to bottom by "no" choice of mine.:damn:

[Von Hinten]

Sorry to hear you got taken down so badly m8. The airplanes are by far the worst problem I'm facing in my career too, and I've just gotten to the end of 1940 so far.

The idea of them getting a further reach over time doesn't make me any happier, though the thought of our sub getting better and more flak aboard does help a little bit. :yep:

[Herr Russ]

Wow.... what happened then?? You said "By choice of mine" and unless you forgot the 'no' part, you must be in a controlled descent... Good jobs on the tonnage!!

[LeafsFan]

Damned RAF

HB

[bookworm_020]

Played a single mission in GWX, the italian battleship one. I had snk the two battleships and the destroyers:arrgh!: and was on my way home on the look out for more targets when a cat flying boat appears. Man the flak guns!!

Fired away, but she appeared bullet proof, two passes that rattled us, but no damage taken. Then she puts her nose down and dives into the sea, no smoke or explosion! Must have hit the pilot!

At least it's more realisitic!!:up:

[IceGrog]

Wow.... what happened then?? You said "By choice of mine" and unless you forgot the 'no' part, you must be in a controlled descent... Good jobs on the tonnage!!

yah........forgot the "no"...sorry

[mookiemookie]

And this is why I don't raid harbors. They're deathtraps! :smug:

Eeeeeveryone wants to be Gunther Prien. I should put that in my sig. hee hee...

[Kpt. Lehmann]

And this is why I don't raid harbors. They're deathtraps! :smug:

Eeeeeveryone wants to be Gunther Prien. I should put that in my sig. hee hee...

Not only that... but raiding ports to get tonnage is just cheesy and unrealistic.

Port raids by U-boats were EXTREMELY RARE in RL. People do it all the time in SH3 and it produces unrealistic results.

[stabiz]

Blame yourself, you put all the eye candy in there!:D

[Kpt. Lehmann]

Blame yourself, you put all the eye candy in there!:D

LOL... Its for LOOKING AT only... not for sinking! :stare: :down: :down: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[GT182]

originally posted by Kpt. Lehmann
LOL... Its for LOOKING AT only... not for sinking!

Yeah but if you go to take a LOOK and get shot at, ya just gotta shoot back. Unrealistic or not, ya gotta save yer butt. :yep:

[Trygvasson]

"Catch and release" for U-boats, eh? Sneak into harbour, drool, flood tubes.... and sneak back out. Sorry, I'm not strong enough for that. I had to sink them all. I won't do it again, but I had to do it just once. :oops:

[stabiz]

Nah, come on, lads! Dont mind Lehmann, he`s getting old! Lets blow up every port in the known world!

[mookiemookie]

Nah, come on, lads! Dont mind Lehmann, he`s getting old! Lets blow up every port in the known world!

Pfft! Ive raided one single port (since SH3 Gen ordered me to) and that is IT! I don't go for ports. Like Lehmann said, it's like cheap shotting things.

[stabiz]

You are fired! Report for infantry duty in Stalingrad!

[mookiemookie]

You are fired! Report for infantry duty in Stalingrad!

lol The hell I will! I've played Medal of Honor, that's Stalingrad enough for me. I'll stay in the Kriegsmarine, thank you very much!

[stabiz]

Okay, there is an opening as Bernards assistant. Best I could do.

[Der Eisen-Wal]

RAF attack at night? in 1939? in all of GW 1.1 i nver got attacked by aircraft nor sunk by a plane. and i did 20+ patrols through various careers in the Eastern seaboard and most of the European theatre..

i can't wait to play GWX!

[IceGrog]

And this is why I don't raid harbors. They're deathtraps! :smug:

Eeeeeveryone wants to be Gunther Prien. I should put that in my sig. hee hee...

Not only that... but raiding ports to get tonnage is just cheesy and unrealistic.

Port raids by U-boats were EXTREMELY RARE in RL. People do it all the time in SH3 and it produces unrealistic results.

Hey, I tried to tell Papa Donitz it wasn’t a good idea, but he said he would just send some other guy, like maybe that little Gunther.

Whispers of “Build it and they well come”

RAF attack at night………it was early morning by then

[stabiz]

RAF attack at night? in 1939? in all of GW 1.1 i nver got attacked by aircraft nor sunk by a plane. and i did 20+ patrols through various careers in the Eastern seaboard and most of the European theatre..

i can't wait to play GWX!

Yes, RAF atacks at night too. Here is one bugger with the Leigh Light. Almost made me soil my pants:

http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/5214/sh32007010118030406fm5.jpg

[Hartmann]

And this is why I don't raid harbors. They're deathtraps! :smug:

Eeeeeveryone wants to be Gunther Prien. I should put that in my sig. hee hee...


Gunther prien was very lucky, it was a very dangerous raid, and perhaps if it were repeated could end in a disaster. nets...mines...scorts..shallow waters ..:dead: .

[mookiemookie]

And this is why I don't raid harbors. They're deathtraps! :smug:

Eeeeeveryone wants to be Gunther Prien. I should put that in my sig. hee hee...

Gunther prien was very lucky, it was a very dangerous raid, and perhaps if it were repeated could end in a disaster. nets...mines...scorts..shallow waters ..:dead: .

A couple of German U-boats were sunk when they tried raiding Scapa in WW1. You're absolutely correct. Prien was extremely lucky.

[IceGrog]

And this is why I don't raid harbors. They're deathtraps! :smug:

Eeeeeveryone wants to be Gunther Prien. I should put that in my sig. hee hee...

Gunther prien was very lucky, it was a very dangerous raid, and perhaps if it were repeated could end in a disaster. nets...mines...scorts..shallow waters ..:dead: .

A couple of German U-boats were sunk when they tried raiding Scapa in WW1. You're absolutely correct. Prien was extremely lucky.

Lucky………yes he was but as a German submariner in ww2 with the death rate at over 60% even if you came back from a standard mission you were lucky.
I remember reading that two u-boats were lost in Scapa Flow in ww1, one tried to follow a warship in thru the opening and was spotted, can’t remember how the second one was caught.

And I was also thinking. If you really get in the math of this submariner death rate, the 60% is figure of the whole war, when you calculate and consider that in the early stages of ww2 u-boats would go for months at a time without loosing a single crew (which is when the Scapa Flow raid occurred) so in order for the 60% fate at the end of the war it was just plain short of suicide to be on patrol in a u-boat towards the end years

[Mooncatt]

i agree scapa is one of the hardest ports to raid imo but the booty is too good to resist for me :arrgh!:
and if it will sink "IT ISNT JUST FOR LOOKING AT" :rotfl: ITS FOR SHOOTING AT

[mookiemookie]

so in order for the 60% fate at the end of the war it was just plain short of suicide to be on patrol in a u-boat towards the end years

You really get a sense of that when you read Werner's Iron Coffins and Peter Cremer's U-boat Commander (which I'm in the middle of now). I haven't reached the part where Cremer gets his XXI (eagerly looking forward to that...man, what a boat that must have been) but he's just been sent back out in the summer of '43 after being on Donitz's staff. He paints a very very grim picture.

[HunterICX]

You are fired! Report for infantry duty in Stalingrad!
lol The hell I will! I've played Medal of Honor, that's Stalingrad enough for me. I'll stay in the Kriegsmarine, thank you very much!


Hey! there is always the German Lufftwaffe

I,ve seen Stalingrad in COD and I must say...I was horrified how realistic they made it.

but anyway if I get kicked out of the Navy I join the Air force and the first thing I do...I bomb Scapa before Stabiz reaches it :up:

[AVGWarhawk]

so in order for the 60% fate at the end of the war it was just plain short of suicide to be on patrol in a u-boat towards the end years
You really get a sense of that when you read Werner's Iron Coffins and Peter Cremer's U-boat Commander (which I'm in the middle of now). I haven't reached the part where Cremer gets his XXI (eagerly looking forward to that...man, what a boat that must have been) but he's just been sent back out in the summer of '43 after being on Donitz's staff. He paints a very very grim picture.
Try Hunter-Killer(I do not have the authors name, I'm at work) , about the CVE carriers, talk about no chance in hell. These pilots were seeing uboats 20 miles away. The radar was just that good to pick them up at night. They were using the new FIDO and sonobouy. Not to mention Huff/Duff. I'm in 1940 and I'm really dreading seeing 1943 if I make it that far:o. I can only imaging the forboding feeling in the late years of the war:oops:

[mookiemookie]

Try Hunter-Killer(I do not have the authors name, I'm at work) , about the CVE carriers, talk about no chance in hell. These pilots were seeing uboats 20 miles away. The radar was just that good to pick them up at night. They were using the new FIDO and sonobouy. Not to mention Huff/Duff. I'm in 1940 and I'm really dreading seeing 1943 if I make it that far:o. I can only imaging the forboding feeling in the late years of the war:oops:

I never play much past '42 in SH3, since I'm such a chicken! Hee hee...

Cremer says something to that effect in his book. Something like "they were sending us out in obsolete equipment that had absolutely no chance in the face of all the technological advancements of the Allied ASW technology." By the end of the war, they were just fighting to stay alive, rather than sink tonnage. Donitz said asmuch to Hitler, but Hitler continued to send them out, saying something to the effect of "If we don't fight them in the Atlantic, we'll be fighting them on the shores." In essence, they had become cannon fodder. Sad.