Are Income Taxes illegall?

[VON_CAPO]

Are Income Taxes illegall? :hmm::hmm::hmm:

Take a look: "" America - From freedom to fascism "" ---> http://www.poodlecrap.com/Hateliars/HL_Video1.asp?Part=0
FASCISM - Aaron Russo

[The Avon Lady]

This is ages old, been posted here, there and everywhere else several times and is boring.

I think there should be a law against such posts. :yep:

[VON_CAPO]

I think there is many people idle.
To get a job should be a priority.

[U-533]

I think there is many people idle.
To get a job should be a priority.

Here ...here...:up:

[VON_CAPO]

I think there is many people idle.
To get a job should be a priority.
Here ...here...:up:
:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

[Kapitan_Phillips]

A chance would be great. Bloody US immigration laws! :damn:

[U-533]

A chance would be great. Bloody US immigration laws! :damn:

Whats wrong with them?

Besides being to lax...

[waste gate]

A chance would be great. Bloody US immigration laws! :damn:

here is how you can get into the US.

1. Travel to Mexico.
2. Darken your skin with that tanning lotion (skin dying lotion), your a Brit after all.
3. Walk across the border.

Its done every day by Mexican nationals.

[VON_CAPO]

"Woman triumphs over IRS in million-dollar tax case"
It is so simple, "if there is not law, there is not crime" :yep:

---> http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34031

[VON_CAPO]

From: ---> http://www.buildfreedom.com/tl/tl16a.shtml

It is a revelation... :o:o:o:o:o

NO LAW REQUIRES You to file income tax returns.
NO LAW REQUIRES You to pay income taxes.
NO LAW REQUIRES You to have income taxes withheld from your pay, and how you can legally put a stop to such practices.
NO LAW REQUIRES You to keep books and records for income tax purposes.
NO LAW REQUIRES You to show your Social Security number to any bank or stockbroker - not even your employer.
NO LAW AUTHORIZES Criminal prosecutions of alleged income tax "crimes" and why all such prosecutions are illegal.
NO LAW AUTHORIZES You to be audited by the IRS.
NO LAW AUTHORIZES The IRS to seize any property (including wages, bank accounts, homes and automobiles) in payment of income taxes, and why all such seizures are illegal."

[waste gate]

Wesley Snipes knows.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1017061snipes1.html

[VON_CAPO]

Wesley Snipes knows.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1017061snipes1.html
"" The human mind is like a computer, no matter how efficient it may be, its reliability is only as great as the information fed into it.
If it is possible to control the input of the human mind, then no matter how intelligent a person may be, it's entirely possible to program what he will think. """

Thousands had been prosecuted and jailed because the "collective belief" believes that there is a law commanding to comply.
But that law does not exist. :doh:

[waste gate]

Don't get me wrong, I'm as much against the income tax as the next guy, but here is the law. BTW US Code is the law.

Federal tax code
The U.S. tax code is known as the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 (title 26 of the United States Code).

BTW this is where the tax burden lay.
In the United States, the Treasury Department reported based on IRS data the share of all federal taxes paid by taxpayers of various income levels. The data shows the progressive structure of the U.S. federal tax system that reduces the tax incidence of people with smaller incomes, as they shift the incidence disproportionately to those with higher incomes.

The top 0.1% of taxpayers by income pay 17.4% of all federal taxes (earning 9.1% of the income).
The top 1% of taxpayers by income pay 36.9% of all federal taxes (earning 19% of the income).
The top 5% of taxpayers pay 57.1% of all federal taxes (earning 33.4% of the income).
The bottom 50% pay 3.3% of all individual income taxes (earning 13.4% of the income).

[Onkel Neal]

Is it me or has spelling and grammar dropped off the scale in this single thread? I can't understand what's being said in some of these posts. :x

[U-533]

A chance would be great. Bloody US immigration laws! :damn:

here is how you can get into the US.

1. Travel to Mexico.
2. Darken your skin with that tanning lotion (skin dying lotion), your a Brit after all.
3. Walk across the border.

Its done every day by Mexican nationals.

You laugh but it's true.
It seems that Americans of the White kind are suffering from lack of serious jobs. This has also moved over into the Black population also.
We Americans expect to be given a $100,000 a year job right out of high school, and when we dont get it we punish the system by not getting a job anywhere.We also complain about the Government not paying us to sit on our over fed behinds, and then we complain when they raise taxes to pay us to sit on our over fed behinds.

Now this does not include the Crackheads and dope smokers that just want something for nothing. These will get out and make some money some how legal or otherwise to support thier taken choice of lifestyle.

Backing up just a little... we know that there are just so many $100,000 a year jobs to go around and being that those jobs are mostly given to family members and friends it maybe that you have to take a $50,000 a year job.Now we know that these jobs are given to the family and freinds of the $100,000 a year people.

Which leads us to the $25,000 a year people. These are the back bone of America and they are the ones most pressed in taxes and calls to aid our country.These are the ones who build and plow, feed and clothe, they are the heart of this great land. ...BUT they are under enormous fire from Immagrants who will do the same job for less money...ie. Why would a company pay some one person $13 an hour when they can get 2 Mexicans for the same price? How can a person making $13 an hour be expected to buy a car made buy a person making $20 an hour? How can the 2 Mexicans making $6 an hour buy a car and the gas to run it plus pay the Insurence to drive it...:stare: :roll: ?

Now this is not a attack against Mexicans ... they are doing what they can to survive and live in Mexico and America.
In fact I'm attacking the employers.

Well, I will stave off my attack until the New Year is here.

[VON_CAPO]

From ---> http://www.buildfreedom.com/tl/tl16a.shtml (must read)

The Best Kept Secrets of the IRS
The Sixteenth Amendmendment, supposedly giving Congress the power to collect income taxes, was never ratified.
The Constitution does not empower Congress to delegate any function to the IRS.
The IRS is apparently a private corporation registered in Delaware.
The IRS is the Gestapo of the Federal Reserve bankers. The same sponsors pushed the Federal Reserve Act and the Sixteenth Amendment through Congress in 1913.
The purpose of the IRS is not to collect taxes but to control and terrorize people.
It is doubtful whether money collected by the IRS goes to the government. Checks received by the IRS seem to be deposited by the Federal Reserve bankers, with "FRB" (for "Federal Reserve Bank") stamped on returned checks.
Because of the limitations placed by the Constitution on the federal government, the IRS has no jurisdiction in the 50 states - see page 7.
The Internal Revenue Code is not law.
The Internal Revenue Code defines the term "person" in such a way that it does not apply to most Americans.
For most Americans, the income tax is voluntary.
The federal income tax is an indirect or excise tax. The end-recipient of income cannot be liable for income tax.
The term "income" is so defined in the tax code that wages or salaries do not constitute "income."
Most corporations in America need not subject themselves to the IRS in any way.
Corporations may only withhold taxes from an employee's earnings if the employee specifically requests such withholding. No one can be legally forced to complete a W4 withholding form.
Employers who withhold part of the salaries or wages of employees against the will of the latter, commit theft.
The U.S. Constitution effectively defines "money" as gold and silver - Article I, Section 10: "No State shall make anything but gold and silver coin a tender in payment of debts." The law agrees: "The terms 'lawful money' and "lawful money of the United States' shall be construed to mean gold or silver coin of the United States." (12 USC 152.) The Federal Reserve Note is not money; it is counterfeit currency. Hence receipts in Federal Reserve Notes, having no legal value, are not taxable.
It may be that most Americans can relinquish their "U.S. Citizenship" and declare themselves State Citizens, subject to neither Federal nor State income taxes.
There is a legal principle "void for vagueness." The tax code is in many parts so vague that nobody (including IRS terrocrats) can understand it. A 1991 Supreme Court case found that if someone sincerely believes that he or she doesn't have to file a tax return and pay income tax, then that person cannot be convicted of a crime. Several other courts have found accordingly. See page 8.
Also in 1991, the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals held that if someone claims they are not subject to the federal income tax, then the burden to prove the contrary is on the IRS. For most Americans the IRS can't prove this. See page 8.
Filing a 1040 or other tax return involves the surrender of the Fifth Amendment right to not incriminate oneself. The Fifth Amendment of the Constitution says that no one can be forced to incriminate himself or herself.
All IRS liens and seizures are illegal.
The IRS in its totality is a violent, criminal extortion racket with no legal basis whatsover.
There are methods for protecting income and assets so that, no matter what the IRS terrocrats do, it becomes difficult for them to violate our unalienable rights to own property and the fruits of our labor. One way is to use Trusts.
In his book Tax Fraud & Evasion: The War Stories, Attorney Donald W. MacPherson exposes the IRS as a paper tiger. The probability that any individual will be prosecuted for not paying taxes to the IRS are about one in 70,000. The probability that any individual will go to jail for not paying taxes are about one in 146,000. I believe that if you follow the advice in Beat-The-IRS Manual and The Pure Trust Package, the probability of having trouble with the IRS drops close to zero."""

[The Munster]

A chance would be great. Bloody US immigration laws! :damn:

here is how you can get into the US.

1. Travel to Mexico.
2. Darken your skin with that tanning lotion (skin dying lotion), your a Brit after all.
3. Walk across the border.

Its done every day by Mexican nationals.

You laugh but it's true.
It seems that Americans of the White kind are suffering from lack of serious jobs. This has also moved over into the Black population also.
We Americans expect to be given a $100,000 a year job right out of high school, and when we dont get it we punish the system by not getting a job anywhere.We also complain about the Government not paying us to sit on our over fed behinds, and then we complain when they raise taxes to pay us to sit on our over fed behinds.

Now this does not include the Crackheads and dope smokers that just want something for nothing. These will get out and make some money some how legal or otherwise to support thier taken choice of lifestyle.

Backing up just a little... we know that there are just so many $100,000 a year jobs to go around and being that those jobs are mostly given to family members and friends it maybe that you have to take a $50,000 a year job.Now we know that these jobs are given to the family and freinds of the $100,000 a year people.

Which leads us to the $25,000 a year people. These are the back bone of America and they are the ones most pressed in taxes and calls to aid our country.These are the ones who build and plow, feed and clothe, they are the heart of this great land. ...BUT they are under enormous fire from Immagrants who will do the same job for less money...ie. Why would a company pay some one person $13 an hour when they can get 2 Mexicans for the same price? How can a person making $13 an hour be expected to buy a car made buy a person making $20 an hour? How can the 2 Mexicans making $6 an hour buy a car and the gas to run it plus pay the Insurence to drive it...:stare: :roll: ?

Now this is not a attack against Mexicans ... they are doing what they can to survive and live in Mexico and America.
In fact I'm attacking the employers.

Well, I will stave off my attack until the New Year is here.

Sounds like you have a class system similar to the UK [although our leader implies we don't have one].
A case in point, job-wise is one of our great old institutions, the BBC which really stands for 'Big Boy's Club' because you need to know some-one to get into their gang ! Incidentally we pay a licence fee which we cannot legally get out of paying to see the BBC 'family'.
BTW, have the dark tanning lotion and one-way ticket to Mexico but will I need to know the Spanish lingo before making the crossing over to the USA ?

[Iceman]

This is ages old, been posted here, there and everywhere else several times and is boring.

I think there should be a law against such posts. :yep:

I for one disagree with your statement....I do not spend every waking moment on the computer,tv, or involved with the disemenation of all known information....and I am a Cable guy for cripes sake.

I have never heard these stories or facts as they do seem to be, until recently when I think some other member here brought it up in a thread.I read about it, watched the videos here, and went to the IRS website...and I do find them to be in an awkward situation.It seems to me that they are digging a hole in that they do not address the "Peoples" petitions to discuss the anomiles and gaps in the law.If they would just bring it up in congress and address it in the supreme courts or whatever and be done with it seems it would be settled.I mean come on what state would not vote "For" taxes....taxes we assume pay for things we here in the US like...but it does make me wonder where the money is really going and how this web got spun....it only makes the IRS look guilty by not addressing the situation but makes perfect sense to me in that...anyone or entity that has such power would not easily want to relinquish it....and the fact of a new "National ID" coming about and the technology to implement it only re-enforces all I already know....what is getting people into trouble I think is when they are falisifying information which in-itself is criminal and then you are in KimChee...jailed on a technical foul......the evil one is poised to strike and assume total control of this world...all that is needed is another catalyst....hum.

Merry "Christ"mas...:D

[The Avon Lady]

Go ahead, folks. Don't pay your taxes. But be warned: there's a sucker born every minute (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/31/movies/31russ.html?ex=1311998400&en=05c0d0988f58fc50&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss).

[baggygreen]

I find it funny that people have problems with paying income tax. tax which goes on to pay for federally funded roads, health care (i hear thats pretty ****e over in the states), for defence, and a whole lot of important stuff. Perhaps you're right von capo, we shouldnt pay income tax, and we should each individually and independently contribute to financing a section of highway or funding a new vaccine...

in the meantime, i wish you all the best with the court case i'm sure will ensue following the IRS's seizure of your items.:roll:

[STEED]

We have one tax here in the U.K which most people here think is theft by the government, it's called Inheritance tax. :nope:

Thanks to the Labour government. :down:

[nightdagger]

Umm...I thought everyone had something like that.

[VON_CAPO]

I find it funny that people have problems with paying income tax. tax which goes on to pay for federally funded roads, health care (i hear thats pretty ****e over in the states), for defence, and a whole lot of important stuff. If you say this, it is because you did not watch the movie announced in post #1.
And if you did it, or you did not understand it; or you watched it, but not the whole film.

Also, it would be very educative experience for anyone who dares to get involved without to get informed first; to watch the movie "The money Master". :|\\
Everybody can watch it at:

The money masters part 1 ---> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8753934454816686947&q=the+money+masters&hl=en

The Money Masters part 2 ---> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2665915773877500927&q=the+money+masters&hl=en

Terrific description of how american economy works (3h 30m total). :|\\

[VON_CAPO]

Go ahead, folks. Don't pay your taxes. But be warned: there's a sucker born every minute (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/31/movies/31russ.html?ex=1311998400&en=05c0d0988f58fc50&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss). Go ahead??? Of course not. It would be suicidal.
But to consult a specialist would be wise.

Let's recall that this great nation born from the tax oppression. :yep:

[The Avon Lady]

Go ahead, folks. Don't pay your taxes. But be warned: there's a sucker born every minute (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/31/movies/31russ.html?ex=1311998400&en=05c0d0988f58fc50&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss). Go ahead??? Of course not. It would be suicidal.
But to consult a specialist would be wise.

Let's recall that this great nation born from the tax oppression. :yep:
You want tax oppression? America is not the place to find it. :nope: Come on over my way for 50% plus 15.5% VAT plus national insurance. Many in Europe go through similar.

As for taxation without representation, America now has the representation. True, there's much to complain about the representation but the taxes are legit.

But again, play Russo's game and get burned.

[bradclark1]

Tax his land,
Tax his bed,
Tax the table
At which he's fed.

Tax his tractor,
Tax his mule,
Teach him taxes
Are the rule.

Tax his cow,
Tax his goat,
Tax his pants,
Tax his coat.

Tax his ties,
Tax his shirt,
Tax his work,
Tax his dirt.

Tax his tobacco,
Tax his drink,
Tax him if he
Tries to think.

Tax his cigars,
Tax his beers,
If he cries, then
Tax his tears.

Tax his car,
Tax his gas,
Find other ways
To tax his as - s

Tax all he has
Then let him know
That you won't be done
Till he has no dough.

When he screams and hollers,
Then tax him some more,
Tax him till
He's good and sore.

Then tax his coffin,
Tax his grave,
Tax the sod in
Which he's laid.

Put these words
upon his tomb,
"Taxes drove me
to my doom..."

When he's gone,
Do not relax,
Its time to apply
The inheritance tax.

Accounts Receivable Tax
Building Permit Tax
CDL license Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Dog License Tax
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax,
Fuel permit tax
Gasoline Tax (42 cents per gallon)
Hunting License Tax
Inheritance Tax
Interest expense
Inventory tax
IRS Interest Charges IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
Liquor Tax
Luxury Taxes
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Property Tax
Real Estate Tax
Service charge taxes
Social Security Tax
Road usage taxes
Sales Tax
Recreational Vehicle Tax
School Tax
State Income Tax
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
Telephone federal excise tax
Telephone federal universal service fee tax
Telephone federal, state and local surcharge taxes
Telephone minimum usage surcharge tax
Tele phone recurring and non-recurring charges tax
Telephone state and local tax
Telephone usage charge tax
Utility Taxes
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft registration Tax
Well Permit Tax
Workers Compensation Tax

COMMENTS: Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago,
and our nation was the most prosperous in the world.
We had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class
in the world, and Mom stayed home to raise the kids.
What happened? (I know, we stuck our noses in everyone else's business.)
And now I have to "press 1" for English.

[STEED]

Coming soon the very air you breath will be taxed.

PS: Let's all hope this will never come true.

[waste gate]

Coming soon the very air you breath will be taxed.

PS: Let's all hope this will never come true.

This is already happening. All those lovely enviromental laws cost business money to comply. That cost is passed onto the consumer. Sort of a VAT for air.

[The Avon Lady]

There should be a colored font usage tax. :yep: :yep: :yep:

[August]

Coming soon the very air you breath will be taxed.

PS: Let's all hope this will never come true.
This is already happening. All those lovely enviromental laws cost business money to comply. That cost is passed onto the consumer. Sort of a VAT for air.

You make that sound like its a bad thing.

[GSpector]

Hello,

I see a major problem with not paying your taxes. Complaining about the Taxes is alright and a Right we Americans have but as a Right, this does not allow us to not pay them. We could go back to Boston for another Tea Party :roll: and maybe something could be done but that's all we can do. Stand up and try for a change but before that happens, pay taxes.

Here's the downfall to not paying taxes. Sure you could even declare your property as a soverign nation too but who do you call when there's a fire or a break-in. What if you have a problem with Mail.

All of these agencies are either through the U.S. City Government or the U.S. Government. Stop paying these Taxes and they all will have the Right to refuse you services and there will be NOTHING you can do about it.

Many do not like paying the Taxes but it''s a fact, you do get many services for paying the Taxes and many are still available that you may not need now, or ever but they are there.

[Takeda Shingen]

There should be a colored font usage tax. :yep: :yep: :yep:

And one for silly interjections. :yep: :yep: :yep:

[U-533]

Accounts Receivable Tax
Building Permit Tax
CDL license Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Dog License Tax
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax,
Fuel permit tax
Gasoline Tax (42 cents per gallon)
Hunting License Tax
Inheritance Tax
Interest expense
Inventory tax
IRS Interest Charges IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
Liquor Tax
Luxury Taxes
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Property Tax
Real Estate Tax
Service charge taxes
Social Security Tax
Road usage taxes
Sales Tax
Recreational Vehicle Tax
School Tax
State Income Tax
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
Telephone federal excise tax
Telephone federal universal service fee tax
Telephone federal, state and local surcharge taxes
Telephone minimum usage surcharge tax
Tele phone recurring and non-recurring charges tax
Telephone state and local tax
Telephone usage charge tax
Utility Taxes
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft registration Tax
Well Permit Tax
Workers Compensation Tax

COMMENTS: Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago,
and our nation was the most prosperous in the world.
We had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class
in the world, and Mom stayed home to raise the kids.
What happened? (I know, we stuck our noses in everyone else's business.)
And now I have to "press 1" for English.


you forgot 2

Pole Tax ( Im sure if it came to it fair or not this will happen to stop so called "Over Breeding")

Poll Tax (This is up for grabs soon it involves the right to vote and have an opinion)

There has to be some from of these already...possibly hidden in another tax or taxes.

[Iceman]

Bradclark...great post....Avon Lady...you crack me up....a tax on colored font usage lmao:rotfl:

[baggygreen]

I find it funny that people have problems with paying income tax. tax which goes on to pay for federally funded roads, health care (i hear thats pretty ****e over in the states), for defence, and a whole lot of important stuff. If you say this, it is because you did not watch the movie announced in post #1.
And if you did it, or you did not understand it; or you watched it, but not the whole film.

Also, it would be very educative experience for anyone who dares to get involved without to get informed first; to watch the movie "The money Master". :|\\
Everybody can watch it at:

The money masters part 1 ---> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8753934454816686947&q=the+money+masters&hl=en

The Money Masters part 2 ---> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2665915773877500927&q=the+money+masters&hl=en

Terrific description of how american economy works (3h 30m total). :|\\
Im afraid to tell you you're wrong von capo, but mate, you're wrong. I've watched the entire thing. Twice, as a matter of fact. And I do understand it, having studied the origins of such things as US tax code - not to mention having a partner who has spent more than a year studying US tax code in a law degree.

perhaps you might be able to explain to me why you think i've not seen or understood the video in the first post? As i said before, what would you prefer - that people make a voluntary contribution to things like national health care and roads?? I dont see that being particulatly effective, i'm afraid

[bradclark1]

There should be a colored font usage tax. :yep: :yep: :yep:
You're just jealous because you never thought of using such pretty colors in your posts. :D

[The Avon Lady]

There should be a colored font usage tax. :yep: :yep: :yep:
You're just jealous because you never thought of using such pretty colors in your posts. :D
That'll be $10 mind-reading tax.

[VON_CAPO]

perhaps you might be able to explain to me why you think i've not seen or understood the video in the first post? As i said before, what would you prefer - that people make a voluntary contribution to things like national health care and roads?? I dont see that being particulatly effective, i'm afraid "The Money Masters" film is about the general economic situation.

"America - From freedom to fascism" film is about taxes and the laws.

The laws have a hierarchial arrangement.
A lower law never can contradict a higher law; but if it is the case, the lower law is null. The highest law is the Constitution.

The film seems to suggest to step into a tax rebellion, because it shows that a compulsory Income Tax is invalid (illegal).

This is about plain laws, and considerations about consequences should be handle by lawmakers (but they look unwilling to make the necessary fixes :nope:).

Furthermore, judges corrupt the law and promote an authoritarian government, when they rule taking in count the impact in the government and not in the law's spirit.

The above sentence can be explained in the following way:
In a democracy there is three Powers:
- Judicial
- Legislative
- Executive
All of them must be independent.
When Judicial and Legislative Powers are acting to please the Executive, the road to fascism is certain.

[GSpector]

Hello VON_CAPO,

Ok, it's clear you hate our Taxes, that's fine. So other then bring it to our attention (which is fine), what do you want or expect us Americans to do about it?

What are YOU going to do about it?

Bringing it to our attention is fine but trying to force feed it to us is another story. I accept the good with the bad. I accept paying my taxes for the good I get for it.

I also accept you oppinion. What I don't accept is that you don't accept another members just because they disagree.

I do not like Seafood. I don't care if you eat Lobster everyday for Breakfast. Do not try to force feed it to me. My point is that People have the Right to decide what they like and don't like. Some may even just accept if because the Good out weighs the Bad.

[ASWnut101]

Tax his land,
Tax his bed,
Tax the table
At which he's fed.

Tax his tractor,
Tax his mule,
Teach him taxes
Are the rule.

Tax his cow,
Tax his goat,
Tax his pants,
Tax his coat.

Tax his ties,
Tax his shirt,
Tax his work,
Tax his dirt.

Tax his tobacco,
Tax his drink,
Tax him if he
Tries to think.

Tax his cigars,
Tax his beers,
If he cries, then
Tax his tears.

Tax his car,
Tax his gas,
Find other ways
To tax his as - s

Tax all he has
Then let him know
That you won't be done
Till he has no dough.

When he screams and hollers,
Then tax him some more,
Tax him till
He's good and sore.

Then tax his coffin,
Tax his grave,
Tax the sod in
Which he's laid.

Put these words
upon his tomb,
"Taxes drove me
to my doom..."

When he's gone,
Do not relax,
Its time to apply
The inheritance tax.

Accounts Receivable Tax
Building Permit Tax
CDL license Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Dog License Tax
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax,
Fuel permit tax
Gasoline Tax (42 cents per gallon)
Hunting License Tax
Inheritance Tax
Interest expense
Inventory tax
IRS Interest Charges IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
Liquor Tax
Luxury Taxes
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Property Tax
Real Estate Tax
Service charge taxes
Social Security Tax
Road usage taxes
Sales Tax
Recreational Vehicle Tax
School Tax
State Income Tax
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
Telephone federal excise tax
Telephone federal universal service fee tax
Telephone federal, state and local surcharge taxes
Telephone minimum usage surcharge tax
Tele phone recurring and non-recurring charges tax
Telephone state and local tax
Telephone usage charge tax
Utility Taxes
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft registration Tax
Well Permit Tax
Workers Compensation Tax

COMMENTS: Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago,
and our nation was the most prosperous in the world.
We had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class
in the world, and Mom stayed home to raise the kids.
What happened? (I know, we stuck our noses in everyone else's business.)
And now I have to "press 1" for English.



god, how long did it take you to color that? 1 hour? 2?


and we have really been in national debt since the nation was founded way back in 1776....

[VON_CAPO]

god, how long did it take you to color that? 1 hour? 2?

and we have really been in national debt since the nation was founded way back in 1776.... What is wrong with the colours?

Bradclark1 showed us an impressive list with a colourful and poetic touch.
But some members are bashing it.
It looks like a child's posture to make fun of it. :hmm::hmm::hmm:

Grow up people!
Bradclark1 made a clear statement when he wrote:

COMMENTS: Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago,
and our nation was the most prosperous in the world.
We had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class
in the world, and Mom stayed home to raise the kids.
What happened? (I know, we stuck our noses in everyone else's business.)
And now I have to "press 1" for English.

[VON_CAPO]

Ok, it's clear you hate our Taxes, that's fine. So other then bring it to our attention (which is fine), what do you want or expect us Americans to do about it? Wrong. I do not hate them.
The subject it is how they are carry out, and, the thread's title: Are Income Taxes illegal?

About of """what do you want or expect us Americans to do about it?"""

:o:o:o Well, this kind of question is unfortunately common.
You are waiting for the answer and you do not think over to generate it yourself.

I am not american born, and it is extremely hard to understand why americans do this question.
Perhaps it is their background education (i am not sure), but it seems that to accept ideas, commands, regulations, etc, without to filter them through a critic mind is the norm. :hmm::hmm::hmm:

[GSpector]

Ok, VON_CAPO, let me see if I understand this.

You come to this Country for what ever reason (I don't care) and you want to gripe about how our taxes could be illegal (or at best, unjust) and you can't give us a solution:rotfl: . Your response to me and the rest of us is to figure it out on our own?. After showing us all this propaganda garbage.

Here's a quote from you I'll respond to:

"What is wrong with the colours?

Bradclark1 showed us an impressive list with a colourful and poetic touch.
But some members are bashing it.
It looks like a child's posture to make fun of it."

At NO time did anyone complain about the use of color, only commented on the over use of color. I too thought the same thing. It was a comment NOT a complaint. Your reply was a complaint as well as mine now.

I would like to say GO BACK HOME but that would be rude, so I won't.

What I will say is that you waisted your time on all this research when you should have spent more time learning English well enough to sound educated in the topic.

For the record, I was NOT looking for an answer so I could follow you in this pointless pursuit. My point was that not once did you ever offer a suggestion to better the Tax system or to do something about changing it. I wanted to know where you were going with this garbage.

[VON_CAPO]

you want to gripe about how our taxes could be illegal (or at best, unjust) and you can't give us a solution:rotfl: . Your response to me and the rest of us is to figure it out on our own?. After showing us all this propaganda garbage. Your answer had confirmed my statement at post #42. :yep::yep::yep:

- I would like to say GO BACK HOME but that would be rude, so I won't.

- What I will say is that you waisted your time on all this research when you should have spent more time learning English well enough to sound educated in the topic.

- For the record, I was NOT looking for an answer so I could follow you in this pointless pursuit. My point was that not once did you ever offer a suggestion to better the Tax system or to do something about changing it. I wanted to know where you were going with this garbage. I am reading only derogatory comments, but, where are your fundaments?

Sorry, but, how old are you??? :hmm::hmm::hmm::hmm::hmm:

[GSpector]

"I am reading only derogatory comments, but, where are your fundaments?"

So, instead of answering my question you deside to reverse it back on to me? Then you have the nerve to ask my age. Not that it's your business but I have been a proud US citazin for 40 Years, and you?

Now for your question about my "fundament" (again you are avoiding the question with re-direct), with your poor English I can only hope you are using it as discribed in #1 below and not #2. As for my answer, I thought it is very clear where I stand. You have not.

In POST 42, you basically called us that do not agree with you ignorant but avoided the question.

Your original question was "Are Income Taxes illegal?"
The answer is NO. Are there problems with them, YES. Now, you have your answer. SO WHAT.

fundament - Noun

1. fundament - the fundamental assumptions from which something is begun or developed or calculated or explained; "the whole argument rested on a basis of conjecture"

-cornerstone, groundwork, basis, foundation, base

-explanation - thought that makes something comprehensible

-meat and potatoes - the fundamental part; "successful negotiation is the meat and potatoes of arbitration"

-supposal, supposition, assumption - a hypothesis that is taken for granted; "any society is built upon certain assumptions"


2. fundament - the fleshy part of the human body that you sit on; "he deserves a good kick in the butt"; "are you going to sit on your fanny and do nothing?"

-arse, ass, behind, buns, buttocks, derriere, fanny, hind end, hindquarters, keister, nates, posterior, prat, rear end, tooshie, tush, seat, backside, bottom, butt, stern, rump, tail end, tail, can, bum, rear

-body part - any part of an organism such as an organ or extremity

-torso, trunk, body - the body excluding the head and neck and limbs; "they moved their arms and legs and bodies"


3. fundament - lowest support of a structure; "it was built on a base of solid rock"; "he stood at the foot of the tower"

-understructure, groundwork, substructure, base, foundation, foot

-bed - a foundation of earth or rock supporting a road or railroad track; "the track bed had washed away"

-raft foundation - a foundation (usually on soft ground) consisting of an extended layer of reinforced concrete

-structure, construction - a thing constructed; a complex construction or entity; "the structure consisted of a series of arches"; "she wore her hair in an amazing construction of whirls and ribbons"

-support - supporting structure that holds up or provides a foundation; "the statue stood on a marble support"
Source:http://www.thefreedictionary.com/fundaments

[Gizzmoe]

Guys, please lets keep the discussion on a less childish level. Thanks!

[TteFAboB]

Guys, please lets keep the discussion on a less childish level. Thanks!

Ok! I'll answer the question then!

No income taxes are not illegal nor unconstitutional because of the 16th amendment. Yes, it would become illegal and unconstitutional if you removed this amendment.

Some arguments against the amendment, the ratification, its validity, are good and may lead to its eventual downfall. But its important to separate the crap, the trash and the sensationalist garbage from them if we are to present a solid and sincere case against it. Convincing, inciting or persuading people not to pay taxes is irresponsible. Useless rebellions that would only lead to arrests and to losses that could be as great or greater than the taxes themselves. Instead, make sure the cultural foundation is solid, the tradition background is strong, then get enough congressmen willing to take the amendment down in the House & Senate. The history of the ratification of the 16th amendment itself shows what happens when the arguments used are merely opportunistic and limited to the sphere of the political electoral battle, it doesn't work.

[August]

I am not american born, and it is extremely hard to understand why americans do this question.
Perhaps it is their background education (i am not sure), but it seems that to accept ideas, commands, regulations, etc, without to filter them through a critic mind is the norm. :hmm::hmm::hmm:

Why do you think we should rehash the same flawed arguments over and over again every time somebody like you comes to our country?

After all:
You don't like our tax structure.
You don't like our police.
You don't like our religions.

So why did you even come here von Capo?

[sonar732]

After all:
You don't like our tax structure.
You don't like our police.
You don't like our religions.

So why did you even come here von Capo?

For the same reason that everyone comes here and then some....to utilize the freedoms that are given and complain about the 'harsh' conditions he lives in.

[VON_CAPO]

Wow!!! :D

The religious right wing activists are gathering again. :p:p:p

[Kapitan_Phillips]

A chance would be great. Bloody US immigration laws! :damn:

here is how you can get into the US.

1. Travel to Mexico.
2. Darken your skin with that tanning lotion (skin dying lotion), your a Brit after all.
3. Walk across the border.

Its done every day by Mexican nationals.


Actually, you could get an easy scholarship being English:

Official: What is your purpose in the United States? Business or Pleasure?
Me: I'm English.
Official: Oh, I see, here, take my wallet. And a first class room.
Me: Thanks!
Official: No problem!

:p

[Kapitan_Phillips]

I think income taxes should only be in place if the payer knows EXACTLY what the money is spent on.

[August]

Wow!!! :D

The religious right wing activists are gathering again. :p:p:p

How about answering the question and stop with the backhanded insults?

[Gizzmoe]

Wow!!! :D

The religious right wing activists are gathering again. :p:p:p

Trolling is bad, m´kay?

Is there still anything substantial you guys want to discuss here? If not let this thread die, please.

[sonar732]

Wow!!! :D

The religious right wing activists are gathering again. :p:p:p

Sorry, I'm more a moderate Repulican than right wing...even leaning towards Independant party with how the Republicans have done lately.

[Iceman]

Some arguments against the amendment, the ratification, its validity, are good and may lead to its eventual downfall. But its important to separate the crap, the trash and the sensationalist garbage from them if we are to present a solid and sincere case against it. Convincing, inciting or persuading people not to pay taxes is irresponsible. Useless rebellions that would only lead to arrests and to losses that could be as great or greater than the taxes themselves. Instead, make sure the cultural foundation is solid, the tradition background is strong, then get enough congressmen willing to take the amendment down in the House & Senate. The history of the ratification of the 16th amendment itself shows what happens when the arguments used are merely opportunistic and limited to the sphere of the political electoral battle, it doesn't work.

Am I the only one who read this? --->GJ :up:

...I did not find anything offensive or anything that lead me to believe Van Capo was not wanting to pay taxes only questioning the whys.... o boy.. you did it now Capo...your human...yep..definatley human...Attention on isle #9...we have a human...

Im a native born and raised yet im not going to swallow anything my government tells me ...just because...get real...

like sheep to the slaughter:/\\chop

[U-533]

We may gripe and scream about the taxes here but at least we still can.

I sure as hell don't see anyone really wanting to leave the US but they sure are trying to get here...

I think its a war actually...

Think about it ... this country thrives one demographics. The more of one type then we swing that way the more of another type we go there...

Americans are producing about 1.5 children down from 2.5 ... 25 years ago..Way down from 8.6 ...50 years ago. Muslims and Mexicans on the other hand are pumping out 6.3 children a year (and as a side note most of their families stay together and raise their children with their beliefs)... at that rate America will not be the America in 3 generations....

This is why I do not understand why islomoterrorist want to "kill the infidels" at this time.
HOLY ALI BABA BATMAN all they gotta do is wait a bit longer...:doh:

[baggygreen]

very true u533, i dunno about the stats but what you say is absolutely right - patience is a virtue, my fundamentalist friends. Do nothing for 3 generations and then forget totally about your nutjob ideas of slaughtering everything that isnt of islam in that time. i like that idea - lord knows it would make my job easier!

oh and by the way, im happy to keep on paying my income taxes - im not as cynical as all the leftwing media types.

[GSpector]

Hello baggygreen,

I'm with you though I'm not sure I'd say I was happy to be paying all these taxes but I am glad that the services are in place should I need them and for the most parts, the roads here a well kept. I don't have to worry about sand dunes, dirt road or masive pot holes.