XabbaRus, What do you think of this?

[STEED]

All secondary pupils in Scotland should be given ID cards (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/6210977.stm)

Sounds like ID Cards via the back door to me.

[Linton]

A lot of schoolchildren already have a connexion card.It holds data on them from school and is a backdoor id card.

[TteFAboB]

1st - This won't "stop" anything as promised, but might indeed reduce the number of cases, at the very least making things more difficult for the bullies. Although there's a possibility things could get worse: bullies could start ambushing kids outside the schools, not generating any bullying "reports" distorting the statistics of their activity.

2nd - I have a far simpler, cheaper and quicker way to eliminate bullying completely, 100%, without a single exception: Vigilantism. If the bullied kids are not fighting back for some reason then somebody else has to do it for them. Bigger and stronger kids can gang-up on the bullies. Through the Vigilante's advantages (numerical, technical or technological and sheer superior strength) bullies are guaranteed to learn their lesson after the first confrontation.

If you let them go rampant, let it happen everyday without any consequences, turn a blind eye, all it takes is one smartass and the bullying begins or grows in number. If you're not willing to observe, note their names down and stop it, then start distributing the baseball bats to the Anti-Bully Brigade. You can't eliminate the responsibility, so transfer it instead of ignoring the whole situation.

If the kids are to be treated like adults, young-men, if they must not be disciplined in any way whatsoever nor taught or shown how to behave, then the school must be exactly like an adult school and have its own campus police! This vacuum of order doesn't exist in adult world, so if kids are to be allowed to rob each other's money they must also be allowed to live under the School's Jurisdiction and also be allowed to be arrested by the School's Police and sentenced by the School's Court. Kids Rights! Education is not free nor was it ever this abundant and easily accessible, if you don't or can't value it and make nothing but mess, you don't deserve it and you can go live in a cave while grateful kids from the 3rd World gladly take your place.

[XabbaRus]

I agree STEED this is a joke. I hope to hell that someone pulls the plug on this.

Wish there was something I could do.

ID cards will not stop bullying, They'll find another way. IE threaten the kid onto handing the meal over or he gets beaten after lunch.

Bloody scary.

[The Munster]

As per usual, Scotland, the 'guinea pig' of the UK.. try it on us first ! Remember the poll tax ? we were the first to have it and suffered it a year before anywhere else. UK democracy at it's best.

[Ramius]

Nothing new there, my eldest has had something like this for the last 3 years (In England :up: ).

A good idea in some ways, bad in others. Bullies don't take long to figure out that everyone will be coming into school on a Monday with a week or more money to put on the card.
But I was also able to check and see what my kids where buying at the school too :)

[XabbaRus]

I wouldn't say that Scotland is the Guinea Pig of the UK. I remember the Poll tax, was just a kid though.

Here is irony though. Many of teh scots I know think that the poll tax is a fairer tax than the council tax. Mind you these are people who are either single or don't have kids and all that.

Besides since we have that thing called a parliament the scottish MPs can try stuff out on Scotland themselves.

STEED was it you who posted the link about primary school kids being fingerprinted for library cards?

You'll love this link

http://www.leavethemkidsalone.com/

[waste gate]

Its identification for gov't control. I'm not a consiracy guy but requiring identity cards for children is out of line. Here in the US a fews year back 'concerned citizens' were telling parents to have their children finger printed for the childs protection, and many did and still do now. Yet, has anyone ever heard or seen a news story which attributed finger printing to the recovery/rescue of a miising child? NO!

[The Munster]

I wouldn't say that Scotland is the Guinea Pig of the UK. I remember the Poll tax, was just a kid though.

Here is irony though. Many of teh scots I know think that the poll tax is a fairer tax than the council tax. Mind you these are people who are either single or don't have kids and all that.

Besides since we have that thing called a parliament the scottish MPs can try stuff out on Scotland themselves.

STEED was it you who posted the link about primary school kids being fingerprinted for library cards?

You'll love this link

http://www.leavethemkidsalone.com/

Funny how when it was introduced to England a year later, there was strikes and marches against it [but then again, if you were a kid then, you wouldn't remember these things ?!]

[XabbaRus]

I remember the marches and the strikes.

Thing is council tax isn't much better.

[The Munster]

Unfortunately I don't think there is a solution that would please eveybody when it comes to tax of any kind.

[STEED]

STEED was it you who posted the link about primary school kids being fingerprinted for library cards?

You'll love this link

http://www.leavethemkidsalone.com/

Yep :yep:

On the ID Cards as a whole I suspect most of you heard Labour suffered a minor set back and there will be no one super database, they will use the existing three databases. The bad news is they are still going to push this ID Card on us all.

[The Munster]

Are we still expected to pay for them ?

[STEED]

Are we still expected to pay for them ?

Yes, any where up to £200 the final figure is not known yet. :damn:

I have also heard but I can not confirm this as being true, you will have to renew the card every ten years with a new picture of yourself. If it is true you can bet they will charge you for that as well, let's hope it's true.