Anyone playing Falcon 4.0: Allied Force?

[Cpt. Stewker]

I've just recently gotten into this sim and it's AWESOME! I have the HiTiles and cockpit mods as well, which help with the graphics quite a bit.

I like how indepth and utterly complicated it is, lol (an 800 page manual). Been playing for a couple nights and the only thing I can reliably do so far is, start the jet from a cold start (I think starting from a ramp start is essential for the immersion factor, switching all the toggles and etc really helps you feel like you are in a F-16), taxi, takeoff, fly around for a bit (flying seems easy but I am sure I suck still) and then crash and burn as I can't land yet. But I like it like that, I like the challenge. I've set a goal to get into one of these hard-ass virtual fighter wings that have check flights and stuff before you can join, by the end of the month.

Also have to get myself a HOTAS setup by then too. Because, now don't laugh, I am using a gamepad for flight (hat switch, aielron control and rudder control), I know, it sucks. I would use my dinosaur joystick but it requires a joystick port, which my newest computer doesn't have. Besides even if I were able to use it, I probably would upgrade anyways.

What I have now:
http://www.ne.jp/asahi/techno/ostra/game/photo/pc_flight.gif

What I plan on buying:
http://www.saitekusa.com/USA/images/product/pcp/x52.jpg

But anyways on to why I am posting this little blurb, I am looking for some guys to fly around with and help me learn the ropes of the sim. You all seem to be a fun lot, and it appears that some of you fly this sim a bit, so let's go flying!

[Konovalov]

Also have to get myself a HOTAS setup by then too. Because, now don't laugh, I am using a gamepad for flight (hat switch, aielron control and rudder control), I know, it sucks. I would use my dinosaur joystick but it requires a joystick port, which my newest computer doesn't have. Besides even if I were able to use it, I probably would upgrade anyways.

What I have now:
http://www.ne.jp/asahi/techno/ostra/game/photo/pc_flight.gif

What I plan on buying:
http://www.saitekusa.com/USA/images/product/pcp/x52.jpg

But anyways on to why I am posting this little blurb, I am looking for some guys to fly around with and help me learn the ropes of the sim. You all seem to be a fun lot, and it appears that some of you fly this sim a bit, so let's go flying!

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: My god I used to have one of those old Logitech Wingman joysticks until it snapped in half. Seriously, that thing must be 10 years old. Does it still work?

Skybird is a big F4 guy but he doesn't visit these parts too often anymore.

[Cpt. Stewker]

Heh, yeah it still works... I think... it's been awhile since I have used it though.

But that thing has gotten me through a lot of late nights. It's a miracle it has lasted this long, the amount of thrashing and abuse I put on it. I wasn't even a teenager when I got it so you can imagine. Jamming it forward, yanking it back, side to side, throttle shoved forward and back. I used it up till I got my first computer without a Joystick port, so around 2002 I guess. Been stickless since then besides a gamepad I spirited away from brother a couple years back.

Ah... good times those were with that wingman. :up:

[Dagger U-539]

Theres several good tutrials at different web sites around,one on landing.The thing to remember is make sure your ILS is on and once you start your approach watch your speed and AoA as these are important.aim for the thresh hold of the run way as you approach move your aim point to the middle of the runway,then as you cross the end of the runway make sure your speed is down to 100-120 kts and then flare just before touchdown.Don't apply brakes until you've gotten your speed down.Also ride your main gear until you notice the nose dropping with a neutral stick.slow and then apply power as needed to run up taxi ramp to your parking spot and start shut down,also don't forget to open the canopy...

[Cpt. Stewker]

Theres several good tutrials at different web sites around,one on landing.The thing to remember is make sure your ILS is on and once you start your approach watch your speed and AoA as these are important.aim for the thresh hold of the run way as you approach move your aim point to the middle of the runway,then as you cross the end of the runway make sure your speed is down to 100-120 kts and then flare just before touchdown.Don't apply brakes until you've gotten your speed down.Also ride your main gear until you notice the nose dropping with a neutral stick.slow and then apply power as needed to run up taxi ramp to your parking spot and start shut down,also don't forget to open the canopy...
Thanks for the info and tip dagger, and I have checked out some of those tutorials (found an interactive start-up tutorial last night that I really liked), I'll look for a landing one though. The manual does an alright job of explaining it, but as is usually the case, the community can do one better.

EDIT: Been looking for some video tuts, but there ain't much out there that I can find. If you know of any good links let me know :)

[Skybird]

Skybird is a big F4 guy but he doesn't visit these parts too often anymore...... ;)

[CCIP]

Why do you think they call me CCIP? :D

I don't play AF though. I currently have SP4.2 OCI with a few tweaks on my system. Still works great! (I'm sure Skybird would agree)

[Cpt. Stewker]

After some diligent practice I think I have landings down pretty good! Well at least visual landings, now for instrument!

Hi-rez link:
http://img452.imageshack.us/img452/8421/landinghikh8.th.jpg (http://img452.imageshack.us/my.php?image=landinghikh8.jpg)

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/1892/landingdialupiq6.jpg

EDIT: CCIP, got a couple questions for ya since you play the original F4 and I'm hungry for all info Falcon. With the SuperPak for F4, do you think that makes it a better of a sim than AF or on par with AF? Also what, if any, is the graphical difference between the two?

[PeriscopeDepth]

I have been a Falcon player for years, and own AF also. I've never taken the dive into multiplayer (with Falcon or IL-2). Perhaps I'll have to invest in a headset in the near future. And yes, the modern versions of Falcon are some of the finest simulations ever made.

PD

[Cpt. Stewker]

I have been a Falcon player for years, and own AF also. I've never taken the dive into multiplayer (with Falcon or IL-2). Perhaps I'll have to invest in a headset in the near future. And yes, the modern versions of Falcon are some of the finest simulations ever made.

PD

You should definitly do that mate! :up:
I can't wait to start bombing Kim Jong Il's backyard (slowly making my way through the tuts and getting closer and closer to weapon systems) and it's always good to have a wingman (or two or three or four) in the sky with ya. Especially when those pesky MIGs show up!

[Enigma]

Indeed, is a great sim. Although, ive remained partial to Lock On...I think im a graphics whore. :up:

[Cpt. Stewker]

Instrument Landing Training: Check

The training mission does the Instrument landing in daylight so if you have to use visual cues you are able. IE you can see the runway. I want to try it at night or in heavy fog, to really see it work and if I can really do it. You have to really follow your instruments on this one. Watch your altitude gauge, airspeed, throttle, HSI, ADI, it's alot more heavy on the brain power than say a visual approach.

Flameout Landing Training: Check

They made this mission fairly difficult, mainly because the low cloud ceiling. You lose all your engines above the cloud layer at about 10,000 feet or so. The cloud deck is at 3,000 or something. You better be around the runway before you commit to getting below those clouds, because you are never going back up through them (least not on this flight and in this life). First time I did this I was succesful but landed like a ton of bricks onto the runway. Crushed all three landing gear struts and skidded down the runway in a shower of sparks. But none the worse for wear. Second time I got it perfect! :up:


Now onto "Navigation and Timing".

EDIT: oh and yeah speaking of LO:MAC. I have read that there are mods out for that sim that make the F-16 flyable... which is awesome, only thing is that it seems the modders cannot make a F-16 cockpit to go with it, which kinda sours the whole deal. Anyone know if someone has made a F-16 cockpit for LO:MAC?

[CCIP]

CCIP, got a couple questions for ya since you play the original F4 and I'm hungry for all info Falcon. With the SuperPak for F4, do you think that makes it a better of a sim than AF or on par with AF? Also what, if any, is the graphical difference between the two?
Well Skybird might be the one to ask on some of the technical details on this.

Graphically, it's below par with AF in MOST regards (high tiles are nice, some of the models are really good too). It is possibly better graphically than AF if you use the BMS patch for it, but according to reports there are some inconsistencies in BMS with detection and the RWR. Some say these have migrated into AF.

SuperPAK tends to be more stable and has the fewest bugs of any Falcon version, that's for sure. It also benefits from having been put together by a huge modding community rather than a smaller studio, so you have this sort of "best of the best" from all over, rather than only what the AF devs can offer.

SuperPAK is basically the purist's choice. Not as good-looking as the others (including AF and FreeFalcon), not as many new bells and whistles, but more reliable and bug-free. The differences are subtle, but I still prefer it to all the other varieties.

There's also always FreeFalcon which seems to be never finished but is graphically fancier than any other F4 version, with the most objects, campaigns, etc. included in it.

[Cpt. Stewker]

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/1623/nukesawayus6.jpg

And on that note I'm off to weapon training! A-A first!

Thanks much for the info CCIP! Appreciate it.

[Enigma]

Per the Lock On Falcon question....

Theres alot of mods out there, and alot of flyable aircraft as a result, but if there is an F-16, that would be news to me.....

[Cpt. Stewker]

Per the Lock On Falcon question....

Theres alot of mods out there, and alot of flyable aircraft as a result, but if there is an F-16, that would be news to me.....


Here's the original L0:MAC forum post of a flyable F-16. There may be more mods like this so I'll keep looking.

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=38610606&m=785101026

EDIT: AHHA!!! I found a whole slew of them. http://www.lockonfiles.com is where they are at. Register there (it's free) and search for F-16 if you're interested. An F-16 cockpit still evades me though.

[Cpt. Stewker]

Lil update on flight training:

A-A radar modes and all that comes with them are very... oh how should I describe this... wordy? In other words it's slow going as I want to be able to understand what I am doing. I don't want to just memorize what buttons to press to do this or that so once I get up against real enemies I won't just freeze because the situation is different from training and I don't know what to do. I suppose from here on this is where the sim begins to raise its technical side!

[Dives back into the manual and tuts]

[CCIP]

It's fun when you get it right though! :D

Falcon is great to learn, and better when it all comes together. I remember when I reached the point when I got that coveted SA (situational awareness), it's like a big 3D picture that builds in your head from all the information that gets thrown at you. Very satisfying!

Took me a good year to get there, though :doh:

[The Noob]

I have it but i haven't played in a while. Mabye i should again... :hmm:

[Cpt. Stewker]

I have it but i haven't played in a while. Mabye i should again... :hmm:

mmhmm :yep:

[Enigma]

That fighter Ops in your sig looks siiiiick......:up:

[Cpt. Stewker]

That fighter Ops in your sig looks siiiiick......:up:
Yeah I stumbled upon it by accident last night while looking for different mods for Falcon.

Last week when I first started to get interested in flight sims again I looked and looked and looked for any upcoming modern combat flight sims and I was surprised that I came up dry. After that I was afraid that LO:MAC and Falcon were (at least for the foreseable future) the last of a dying breed.

But it seems that Flight Ops just slipped under the radar, and by the lack of information out on the net about it and the lack of buzz so far, a lot of people, even those in the flight sim community have hardly heard of it. At least not yet.

The community over there is great and they have a TREMENDOUSLY informed forums. Seems like a few of the forum members that are frequent posters are within some branch of the military, both U.S. and foreign. With that in mind, it makes me even more excited about this sim because those people know their stuff and should know what's hot and what's not when it comes to military flight simulations. Also the devs appear to have a great working relationship with the USAF, many of the dev crew have had the chance to tour US bases and take rides in a variety of US military jets, so they are getting first hand knowledge right from the source. The Devs are involved within the community as well, posting frequently throughout the day on a variety of topics, not just related to their game even.

There is also a special section of the forums, which does cost some coin to get into, which gives you access to all sorts of cool stuff that everyone else doesn't get. Day by day updates on the project and how they do things, teamspeak discussions with various members of the military or naviation industry giving lectures on interesting topics relating to the game, their job, etc. I'm seriously considering popping for it, not to mention that you get a special discount for a TrackIR4 just for joining. I think it's $25 to join and then the discount for the TrackIR is $35, so if you are considering a TrackIR, hell you might as well just go for it, which I am considering ;).

They are making some pretty big promises, but so far I have faith. If you (or anyone for that matter that are interested in flight sims), haven't check out their page, check their features and FAQ section and hit up the forums. Just check my Sig.:up:

[Cpt. Stewker]

Finally starting to get the A-A radar down. Everything just sort of "clicked" tonight. Being able to realize that a paticular radar mode would be good for this or that while in the heat of combat is a good feeling. :up:

Definitly going to have to get a HOTAS setup or at least a joystick with alot of buttons though. I hate using the Keyboard for anything in the cockpit and having to use the mouse to click stuff in the 2d pit is to slow, at least in the A-A radar training mission it is. By the time you are able to lock on to a target (you can pause the sim, or "freeze" it and use the radar, but I want this to be realistic) using the mouse you are already dusted. Oh and that brings to mind, using the keyboard (or my gamepad's D-pad for that matter) to look around your pit is IMPOSSIBLE, it is impossible to dogfight this way as you can't keep track of where the bogies are while doing the other 1000 things. The Saitek comes with a hat switch that is hopefully going to be better, and I may splurge for a TrackIR, but I haven't decided yet.

I read a guy's post about this mission in another forum, and he had a good point in regards to the difficulty.
Paraphrased: The mission should have been against bombers or drones and not fighters coming at you hot and beginning the merge before you even have time to change views. It's your first mission against live targets. Why the heck should you be able to be shot down if it's a training mission, we'd kill off all our pilots before they got to the real show if that was RL. That mission doesn't even include the firing of weapons to return the favor!

But anyways not ranting against the game per say, just commenting.
Off to 20mm Cannon (Air-Air) training!

I'll post some screenies!

[Cpt. Stewker]

Air-Air Radar/Missile Training Mission photo overview!


Now that's a target rich environment.
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/30/radarpitsmalljw7.jpg


Picked my target and he is "bugged"!
http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/723/pitradarbuggedsmallug3.jpg

Locked and loaded!
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/4427/lockedsmallds1.jpg

Missile Away!
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/5331/missilelaunchac6.jpg

First Kill of many!
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/6108/firstkilluv5.jpg

[CCIP]

Flying high now, I see :up:

I love the detail on that Sidewinder, but to be honest I somehow don't like that AF cockpit - it's a lot smoother, but I just have a thing for the scratchier, more photo-looking pit of the SP heritage.

[Cpt. Stewker]

Flying high now, I see :up:

I love the detail on that Sidewinder, but to be honest I somehow don't like that AF cockpit - it's a lot smoother, but I just have a thing for the scratchier, more photo-looking pit of the SP heritage.
Yeah mate, I'm getting there. :D

I love the ordinance texture pack I picked up. Covers almost all the externals in the game, including fuel tanks. The Cockpit that I managed to get ahold of (it is not stock) is something that I like, I like how it is... "newer" looking than the stock pit. Because, bah, I don't want a used jet, I want a new one! Maybe by the time I get done with all the training hops I'll switch back to the original, by then I'll have put quite a few miles on my bird. ;)

EDIT: I'll post some more pics later, I'll put in a few with the stock pit as well so you can get an idea of what it looks like.

[Cpt. Stewker]

Some pics before I log for the next few days. When I get back I'll just edit this post and add the rest of what I have for training done. A-G radar and bombs! Merry Christmas!

My Plane and I, cruising along:

Hi Rez click HERE (http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/2779/menmyplanebigir0.jpg)
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/3986/menmyplanesk9.jpg

Keyboard command madness:
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/2200/f4afkeysee5.th.jpg (http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/2200/f4afkeysee5.jpg)

[CCIP]

Guess what I've been playing :88)

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/Otohiko/f04.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/Otohiko/f05.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/Otohiko/f09.jpg

First mission in a long time and it went over reaaal well. Went on a SEAD strike; took out two radars and had my 2nd element bomb out the launchers, and on the way also popped two Mig-19s. The debrief reported that the SAM batallion was down to 2% strength after our strike! (playing Korea 2005 campaign, 1st day)

[CCIP]

And oh, there's my comparison shot now!

Yep, I love the quality of the top one, but the 'scratchiness' of the old one still has me for some reason :p

http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/723/pitradarbuggedsmallug3.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/Otohiko/f09.jpg

[Cpt. Stewker]

Well, I've managed to find some time to log in. I'm at my Aunt and Uncle's house and everyone went off trooping to the nearest convienent store in search of ribbon candy and egg nog. I got stuck babysitting so here I am.

About that picture though, what I do like about that pit is the reflections on the gauges. That's really cool, and I never noticed that on the stock pit that came with the game. I assumed that the pit that I have now (which is payware) would have better than what stock had though. I'll have to check that out. I like the other pictures too, looks like you had a first good sortie of the campaign. I can't wait till I can so effortlessly tear it up like that.:up:

We should fly together sometime, CCIP. After I get back home tomorrow we can plan something.

[CCIP]

That'd be great. Although if I ever plan to really get out online, I either need to get AF or have the current install a bit tweaked/re-done. I don't have many changes, but among them is the BaZT Korea high-res mesh which isn't compatible for playing with non-patched users.

Actually for all the 'tearing through', I've learned to be a very conservative pilot and not do anything crazy. My flying nowadays tends to be less seat-of-my-pants, but it's satisfying to have a good chance to bring the bird back after dodging the bad guys! :smug:

And nah, I'm not selling or un-selling any cockpits here. I love the reflections on it too. It's just 'old timers disease' - hard to change 'the office' that has grown on you over the years :yep:

[CCIP]

Grah, my second mission did not go as well as I would've liked!

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/Otohiko/fal01.jpg

I went on a SEAD strike to the Wonsan area, which was expectably a hornet's nest. Cautious not to stir it up too much, I fired off my HARMs from safe distance, and not being able to get my wingies to use their weapons from afar, I decided to get out. I hit the wrong SAM site and thus had the mission counted as failure.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/Otohiko/fal02.jpg
(SAM flying through the sky)

On the way home, I had a mouth-watering encounter with a flight of unescorted Tu-16s. All my weapons hit - but alas - the bombers were tough and none was taken down by MY missiles. Imagine my frustration when I even went in for a gun kill, and it was scored to someone else who popped the plane at the last moment with a missile :damn:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/Otohiko/fal03.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/Otohiko/fal05.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/Otohiko/fal06.jpg

But the most frustrating thing came right at the end. With the start-of-campaign overload of targets, it's easy to let something slip by... So, one of my wingies was killed by a stupid MiG-19 while on his landing approach. The perpetrator was taken down by a nearby Patriot battery immediately thereafter :x

[Cpt. Stewker]

Props on the Kill shots. Those are impressive. :up:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/Otohiko/fal03.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/Otohiko/fal05.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/Otohiko/fal06.jpg

[CCIP]

Flying any more, Stewker? :)

I've been back in the air. Re-started my campaign on 'ace' difficulty for a bit more challenge; my latest mission was the most successful in a while. Flew one of my usual SEAD sorties and ended up with every missile on my plane fired - and each scoring a kill. Killed two SA-5 radars and four old fighter planes (MiG-19s and their bretheren), and my wingies put down another four. Luck was on my side of anything!

Picture of my latest AIM-9 kill:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/Otohiko/aim9.jpg

[SUBMAN1]

I've just recently gotten into this sim and it's AWESOME! I have the HiTiles and cockpit mods as well, which help with the graphics quite a bit.

I like how indepth and utterly complicated it is, lol (an 800 page manual). Been playing for a couple nights and the only thing I can reliably do so far is, start the jet from a cold start (I think starting from a ramp start is essential for the immersion factor, switching all the toggles and etc really helps you feel like you are in a F-16), taxi, takeoff, fly around for a bit (flying seems easy but I am sure I suck still) and then crash and burn as I can't land yet. But I like it like that, I like the challenge. I've set a goal to get into one of these hard-ass virtual fighter wings that have check flights and stuff before you can join, by the end of the month.

Also have to get myself a HOTAS setup by then too. Because, now don't laugh, I am using a gamepad for flight (hat switch, aielron control and rudder control), I know, it sucks. I would use my dinosaur joystick but it requires a joystick port, which my newest computer doesn't have. Besides even if I were able to use it, I probably would upgrade anyways.

What I have now:
http://www.ne.jp/asahi/techno/ostra/game/photo/pc_flight.gif

What I plan on buying:
http://www.saitekusa.com/USA/images/product/pcp/x52.jpg

But anyways on to why I am posting this little blurb, I am looking for some guys to fly around with and help me learn the ropes of the sim. You all seem to be a fun lot, and it appears that some of you fly this sim a bit, so let's go flying!

Don't buy that stick, buy the real one (Trust me, you want it - I bought it specifically for this sim):

http://www.thrustmaster.com/product.aspx?ProductID=11&PlatformID=5

http://www.thrustmaster.com/Upload/1/thrustmaster/products/11/8/Hotas762x227.jpg

[Corsair]

I am in the Falcon series since Falcon 3.0 and it is the flight sim where I spent the most time offline and online. After going thru all the SP and E-falcon patches for Falcon 4, I recently switched to Falcon 4 AF and I like it very much. Just downloaded a couple days ago the desert terrain with Desert Storm campaigns, will be having a go at it shortly.

[SparrowHawk]

Finally starting to get the A-A radar down. Everything just sort of "clicked" tonight. Being able to realize that a paticular radar mode would be good for this or that while in the heat of combat is a good feeling. :up:

Definitly going to have to get a HOTAS setup or at least a joystick with alot of buttons though. I hate using the Keyboard for anything in the cockpit and having to use the mouse to click stuff in the 2d pit is to slow, at least in the A-A radar training mission it is. By the time you are able to lock on to a target (you can pause the sim, or "freeze" it and use the radar, but I want this to be realistic) using the mouse you are already dusted. Oh and that brings to mind, using the keyboard (or my gamepad's D-pad for that matter) to look around your pit is IMPOSSIBLE, it is impossible to dogfight this way as you can't keep track of where the bogies are while doing the other 1000 things. The Saitek comes with a hat switch that is hopefully going to be better, and I may splurge for a TrackIR, but I haven't decided yet.

I read a guy's post about this mission in another forum, and he had a good point in regards to the difficulty.
Paraphrased: The mission should have been against bombers or drones and not fighters coming at you hot and beginning the merge before you even have time to change views. It's your first mission against live targets. Why the heck should you be able to be shot down if it's a training mission, we'd kill off all our pilots before they got to the real show if that was RL. That mission doesn't even include the firing of weapons to return the favor!

But anyways not ranting against the game per say, just commenting.
Off to 20mm Cannon (Air-Air) training!

I'll post some screenies!

Hey Cpt. Stewker!

Yeah, the feeling is great...after being so elusive and frustrated by the various Radar Modes and Submodes. I am still batteling with them.

Last night I put the difficulty level up to Veteran, went into the Instant Action, pluged in my TM HotAS and let her rip!:|\\

Downed everything in sight, including mig 21 and a couple of 23's when flying on vapour. Finally had to ditch when the engine cut out with nothing to burn, and no missles left! Best sortie so far.

A great feeling...now possibly I may try the Campaigns with some confidence, but still have miles to go for Avionics and Radar.

This was done in SP4 by the way just for sentimental reasons. I'm gonna try dogfights in F4AF at Ace level tonight ...hehe :D

[SparrowHawk]

Don't buy that stick, buy the real one (Trust me, you want it - I bought it specifically for this sim):

http://www.thrustmaster.com/product.aspx?ProductID=11&PlatformID=5

http://www.thrustmaster.com/Upload/1/thrustmaster/products/11/8/Hotas762x227.jpg

Wow.... now that's a flight stick / hotas combo I can only dream of. My TM combo is the younger brother of this one. I'm not buying any other trash and until I can afford 180 Pounds Sterling for my 'Pro' gear the one I got will have to do.

By the way, I 'm at that stage also, but have manged some dogfight sorties with some success (and a lot of crashes). As far as landing goes, try touch and go like for 4-5 times in a row - or until you run out of fumes.

As you come in to land, say 200-300 feet off the Run way, at 100 feet above ground level, swith to HUD only mode (press 1). The focus should be on your Flt Path Marker, your AOA and rate of climb/descent. All too often I would flare just seconds before touch down and scrape my nozzel across the tarmac! The engine does not like that at all....... :har:

Now, all I do is stay level and line up the zero horizontal with the horizon and level the FPM at just inside the runway...this is where you need your landing gear to gently kiss the tarmac :cool:. Easier said than done..... and I still crash but it's happening less frequently and touch & go gives you added confidence.

Hope this helps. Also need more help myself with Avionics/Radar (AA/AG).

Happy flying

SH

[SparrowHawk]

I am in the Falcon series since Falcon 3.0 and it is the flight sim where I spent the most time offline and online. After going thru all the SP and E-falcon patches for Falcon 4, I recently switched to Falcon 4 AF and I like it very much. Just downloaded a couple days ago the desert terrain with Desert Storm campaigns, will be having a go at it shortly.


Hi Corsair!

Nice to meet you here! I just joined this forum recently. I've been away from F4 since 2001/2. Now looking for wingmen to do formation flying and wotnots with.

Have F4AF but no clue how to go online in Falcon4. Have intalled various Theatres but DS seems the most difficult and will not appear in the list :wah:.

It seems when I added 3-4 Theaters I may have messed up something so had to reinstall F4AF, and just left the default ones.

By the way I just patched SP4, BMS2 with new cockpits and Toms Free HiTile Terrain mods and they work great!

Anyone interested in taking on a new rookie as a wingman?

Happy Flying:salute:

SH

[Snake Man]

PMC theaters come with executable installer, in fact when you have F4AF installed alone (no "old" Falcon 4), if I'm correct the installer wont even ask other than to accept EULA and then it installs.

If you cant find the theater after the install is completed... well dunno, never heard of such problem from anyone.

But to get the basics right...
Did you have F4AF only or older F4 also installed?
What version of the theater(s) are you trying to install?

[Raptor1]

Quad-post thread necromancy? I'm impressed...

[Schroeder]

Actually just a triple post necromancy.;)

[Raptor1]

Actually just a triple post necromancy.;)

Oh, right.

Still beats the usual single-post necromancy...