What will they ban next?

[waste gate]

Often the health police say they must "protect the children." But children are the responsibility of their parents. When the state assumes the role of parent, it makes children of all of us.

Imagine this country with national health care.

Once the government starts providing health care, it becomes a state interest how well you take care of yourself. Your behavior becomes a factor in government expenditure. If you smoke, drink, eat fatty foods, don't exercise, you are costing the government money, and therefore, subject to government sanction.

Its a brave new world we are heading into. A world of socialism that can give you everything you need, or take it away.


http://www.townhall.com/columnists/column.aspx?UrlTitle=what_will_they_ban_next&ns=JohnStossel&dt=12/20/2006&page=full&comments=true

[dean_acheson]

Thank God for the nanny state!

What a joke.

Vote for Hillary, b/c it takes a village to tell us how to eat!

New York wonders why the rest of the county doesn't like them.....

A brave new world, no doubt.... egad!

[STEED]

It's the soft end of the wedge fat food, cigarette's and alcohol once they get there way with them what next? You guys could be going the same way as us Brits to few over here can see what's really going on, I hope more of you guys are wide awake.

[tycho102]

Imagine this country with national health care.

"Rich" people will be flying to Brazil, Columbia, Japan, Australia, and Singapore to have operations and diagnostics.

Everyone else will wait their turn. It's kind of like "Selective Breeding" when you think about it.

[waste gate]

Imagine this country with national health care.

"Rich" people will be flying to Brazil, Columbia, Japan, Australia, and Singapore to have operations and diagnostics.

Everyone else will wait their turn. It's kind of like "Selective Breeding" when you think about it.

Modern eugenics.

[CCIP]

If you smoke, drink, eat fatty foods, don't exercise, you are costing the government money, and therefore, subject to government sanction.


Why not?

I guess I'll never understand the other side of it, myself. As a self-professed socialist and anti-libertarian, I'm personally all in favour of a government that sanctions sustainability. Being a rational socialist, I can also see where the limits of these things should be.
Before you poke your finger at [reasonable degrees of] socialism, find me a better way to deal with the mess that present-day consumer societies have dug us into :hmm:

[Bort]

Quote:
Originally Posted by waste gate
Imagine this country with national health care.


"Rich" people will be flying to Brazil, Columbia, Japan, Australia, and Singapore to have operations and diagnostics.

Everyone else will wait their turn. It's kind of like "Selective Breeding" when you think about it.


Well, in the US the really poor more often then not never get treatment at all...:hmm:

[waste gate]

Quote:
Originally Posted by waste gate
Imagine this country with national health care.


"Rich" people will be flying to Brazil, Columbia, Japan, Australia, and Singapore to have operations and diagnostics.

Everyone else will wait their turn. It's kind of like "Selective Breeding" when you think about it.


Well, in the US the really poor more often then not never get treatment at all...:hmm:

That's not true. If it were the case dead bodies would be in your street. As it is you or I suspect your parents are paying for them without realizing that you do.

[waste gate]

If you smoke, drink, eat fatty foods, don't exercise, you are costing the government money, and therefore, subject to government sanction.


Why not?

I guess I'll never understand the other side of it, myself. As a self-professed socialist and anti-libertarian, I'm personally all in favour of a government that sanctions sustainability. Being a rational socialist, I can also see where the limits of these things should be.
Before you poke your finger at [reasonable degrees of] socialism, find me a better way to deal with the mess that present-day consumer societies have dug us into :hmm:

B/C if you let the government give you something without you working for it for yourself they (gov't) can take it away just as easily.

EDIT; let people work for it themselves instead of being slaves to the state.

[Fish]

Everybody here has compulsory healthcare assurance. Around 1400 dollars a year.
Only when you can't afford, the local government will pay a part of the money for you.
When you didn't go to the hospital that year, you can go to the locall doctor when you need him, you receive about 300 back.
With a new government in the make, I don't know what will happend in future of course. ;)

[Konovalov]

I remember the time when I was a kid at my first school swimming carnival. My dad took photos of me whilst diving at the start of the race, swimming, and then touching the wall at the finish. I have heard that these days schools don't allow parents to take photos of their children because of paedophiles. This is just crazy. :damn:

[Torpedo Fodder]

Once the government starts providing health care, it becomes a state interest how well you take care of yourself. Your behavior becomes a factor in government expenditure. If you smoke, drink, eat fatty foods, don't exercise, you are costing the government money, and therefore, subject to government sanction.

I actually have a few thoughts on how to reduce or eliminate that problem in a universal healthcare system: simply mandade that any self-inflicted illnesses (such as emphysema from smoking) must be paid either out of your own pocket or by private health insurance. Also, I would allow private healthcare providers to continue to function alongside the public system, and there would be incentive to use the private system via some kind of tax credit, the idea being to encourage people who can pay for medical services to do so, while ensuring that anyone who can't pay can still get medical care. Also, to prevent the formation of a "two-teir" system (where you have a shining private system and a grossly underfunded public one that has vastly lower quality of care), I would make it manditory for all public servants and politicians (and their families) to use the public healthcare system exclusivly.

[PeriscopeDepth]

I certainly don't like the direction things are headed in now. People are getting fired for testing positive for tobacco.

PD

[U-533]

The driving law of evolotion is only the fittest will survive.
Why then would athiests want a government run health care system?
:roll:


Heres a whole new can of worms..........

[VON_CAPO]

Imagine this country with national health care.

Once the government starts providing health care, it becomes a state interest how well you take care of yourself. Your behavior becomes a factor in government expenditure. If you smoke, drink, eat fatty foods, don't exercise, you are costing the government money, and therefore, subject to government sanction. If everybody pays taxes, it is logical that that money return to the people, do not you think? :hmm:

Moreover, the government is just a group of citizens (our employes) with the necessary extraordinary powers to comply its purpose.

Is it the government money??? No Sir, it is our money!!! :|\\

I mean, is the government destinated to serve the people, or, the people to serve the government??? :hmm::hmm::hmm:

Edit: I think that the national health care would be selective.
It would be available only for those that made a choice to destinate part of their taxes to the common good (the population interest).
And it would be denied to those that made the vile choice to oppress the weak (antisocial behavior).

[dean_acheson]

Oh my, the whole idea of more government, and more government control, is athema to me.

[geetrue]

I vote for Von_Capo ... I mean this quote is from Von_Capo:


If everybody pays taxes, it is logical that that money return to the people, do not you think? :hmm:

Moreover, the government is just a group of citizens (our employes) with the necessary extraordinary powers to comply its purpose.

Is it the government money??? No Sir, it is our money!!! :|\\

I mean, is the government destinated to serve the people, or, the people to serve the government??? :hmm::hmm::hmm:




Let the government keep ten (10) percent and spend the rest on us ... :lol:

[STEED]

I remember the time when I was a kid at my first school swimming carnival. My dad took photos of me whilst diving at the start of the race, swimming, and then touching the wall at the finish. I have heard that these days schools don't allow parents to take photos of their children because of paedophiles. This is just crazy. :damn:

Yep you got to be very careful, I think it's deadful that parents can not take pictures of there children without falling prey to these loonies. It's a sad reflection on the times we live in. :nope:

[The Munster]

I remember the time when I was a kid at my first school swimming carnival. My dad took photos of me whilst diving at the start of the race, swimming, and then touching the wall at the finish. I have heard that these days schools don't allow parents to take photos of their children because of paedophiles. This is just crazy. :damn:

Yep you got to be very careful, I think it's deadful that parents can not take pictures of there children without falling prey to these loonies. It's a sad reflection on the times we live in. :nope:

Totally agree with STEED on this.
Anyway, must dash .. UKTVGold is showing 'Only Fools' [and Horses] Top 40 Moments Hosted by the Cast ! 25 years of :rotfl:

[Tchocky]

Once the government starts providing health care, it becomes a state interest how well you take care of yourself. Your behavior becomes a factor in government expenditure. If you smoke, drink, eat fatty foods, don't exercise, you are costing the government money, and therefore, subject to government sanction.
I actually have a few thoughts on how to reduce or eliminate that problem in a universal healthcare system: simply mandade that any self-inflicted illnesses (such as emphysema from smoking) must be paid either out of your own pocket or by private health insurance. Also, I would allow private healthcare providers to continue to function alongside the public system, and there would be incentive to use the private system via some kind of tax credit, the idea being to encourage people who can pay for medical services to do so, while ensuring that anyone who can't pay can still get medical care. Also, to prevent the formation of a "two-teir" system (where you have a shining private system and a grossly underfunded public one that has vastly lower quality of care), I would make it manditory for all public servants and politicians (and their families) to use the public healthcare system exclusivly.

So you'd punish people for being sick? What about drug addicts?

[The Avon Lady]

Once the government starts providing health care, it becomes a state interest how well you take care of yourself. Your behavior becomes a factor in government expenditure. If you smoke, drink, eat fatty foods, don't exercise, you are costing the government money, and therefore, subject to government sanction.
I actually have a few thoughts on how to reduce or eliminate that problem in a universal healthcare system: simply mandade that any self-inflicted illnesses (such as emphysema from smoking) must be paid either out of your own pocket or by private health insurance. Also, I would allow private healthcare providers to continue to function alongside the public system, and there would be incentive to use the private system via some kind of tax credit, the idea being to encourage people who can pay for medical services to do so, while ensuring that anyone who can't pay can still get medical care. Also, to prevent the formation of a "two-teir" system (where you have a shining private system and a grossly underfunded public one that has vastly lower quality of care), I would make it manditory for all public servants and politicians (and their families) to use the public healthcare system exclusivly.
So you'd punish people for being sick? What about drug addicts?
What about them?

If you intentionally wreck your car to claim the insurance and, if this can be proven, you'll never see a penny and lose your policy.

Now, I think self-inflicted addicts of these kinds should be given a certain amount of time to sober/shape up but once the clock runs out, let them cough up the money themselves or beg for charity.

This should be obvious for most cases of smoking and narcotics addiction but is more complicated for dealing with obeisity, diabetes, etc.

[KLARCH]

Thank God for the nanny state!

What a joke.

Vote for Hillary, b/c it takes a village to tell us how to eat!

New York wonders why the rest of the county doesn't like them.....

A brave new world, no doubt.... egad!

Hey, not everyone here in NY likes this witch being here. I vote against her every chance I get.

Ok, sorry.

[U-533]

Where are you people from?

I have been to state run hospitals and watched as crack whores and drug addicts and other individuals of chosen alternate lifestyles get preffered treatment to a law abiding citizens.
If the above mentioned keep getting patched up for free whats to deter them from continuing the path of destruction they have chosen? (CHOSEN being the key word here, if a gun is held to your head and your told to be a crack addict or die ... you still make a choice) [yes I have had a gun held to my head and I chose to fight]

So if you really believe that a state run heath plan is the way to go for my tax dollar please take harsh offense to this comment

"-- ---- --------" (edited to be more PC)

You fill in the blanks.

[Konovalov]

get preffered treatment to a law abiding citizens.

Do hospitals not treat people in the US by priority of who needs medical treatment first or is critically ill? How do you define "preferred treatment" in this instance as you describe it? :-?

[U-533]

get preffered treatment to a law abiding citizens.

Do hospitals not treat people in the US by priority of who needs medical treatment first or is critically ill? How do you define "preferred treatment" in this instance as you describe it? :-?

Yes... NON-STATE run Hospitals ,where the patients that can afford Insurence or have enough credit, will take say a gun shot wound over a broken arm.

On the other hand... A crackwhore and her pimp get in to a fight and the crackwhore shoots her pimp and the pimp takes an ambulance to the state run hospital the pimp will get preferred treatment over a law abbiding person who is shot defending his home and loved ones.(if I haddnt passed out from loss of blood I would still be in the waiting room):roll:

If you need more examples I can give.

opps... Preferred Treatment.... Taking a useless ,nontax paying, never held a job for long, drug dealing,flesh peddelar and treating him until he is healthy for free.

I could rant on but I feel the Christmas Spirits {Rum} taking effect and the party beginning.

[The Avon Lady]

I remember the time when I was a kid at my first school swimming carnival. My dad took photos of me whilst diving at the start of the race, swimming, and then touching the wall at the finish. I have heard that these days schools don't allow parents to take photos of their children because of paedophiles. This is just crazy. :damn:
Yep you got to be very careful, I think it's deadful that parents can not take pictures of there children without falling prey to these loonies. It's a sad reflection on the times we live in. :nope:
I have just read something far crazier (http://www.pantagraph.com/articles/2006/12/12/wtf/doc457de3ed145e0488034828.txt). :nope:

Sad stupid world.

[Cpt. Stewker]

I remember the time when I was a kid at my first school swimming carnival. My dad took photos of me whilst diving at the start of the race, swimming, and then touching the wall at the finish. I have heard that these days schools don't allow parents to take photos of their children because of paedophiles. This is just crazy. :damn: Yep you got to be very careful, I think it's deadful that parents can not take pictures of there children without falling prey to these loonies. It's a sad reflection on the times we live in. :nope: I have just read something far crazier (http://www.pantagraph.com/articles/2006/12/12/wtf/doc457de3ed145e0488034828.txt). :nope:

Sad stupid world.

My god, he's like 4 and was just hugging his teacher!!

Thank god, that my sister-in-law lives in Montana with my brother where most of this crap hasn't infiltrated yet. She's a pre-kindergarten teacher and talks all the time how they like her so much and when she comes in they run to hug her. And when they get hurt she picks them up to comfort them. There's nothing wrong with that!

[The Avon Lady]

I remember the time when I was a kid at my first school swimming carnival. My dad took photos of me whilst diving at the start of the race, swimming, and then touching the wall at the finish. I have heard that these days schools don't allow parents to take photos of their children because of paedophiles. This is just crazy. :damn: Yep you got to be very careful, I think it's deadful that parents can not take pictures of there children without falling prey to these loonies. It's a sad reflection on the times we live in. :nope: I have just read something far crazier (http://www.pantagraph.com/articles/2006/12/12/wtf/doc457de3ed145e0488034828.txt). :nope:

Sad stupid world.
My god, he's like 4 and was just hugging his teacher!!

Thank god, that my sister-in-law lives in Montana with my brother where most of this crap hasn't infiltrated yet. She's a pre-kindergarten teacher and talks all the time how they like her so much and when she comes in they run to hug her. And when they get hurt she picks them up to comfort them. There's nothing wrong with that!
Thanks for the tip. Montana State Troopers are on their way.

Fool's 'em every time.

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[The Munster]

I remember the time when I was a kid at my first school swimming carnival. My dad took photos of me whilst diving at the start of the race, swimming, and then touching the wall at the finish. I have heard that these days schools don't allow parents to take photos of their children because of paedophiles. This is just crazy. :damn: Yep you got to be very careful, I think it's deadful that parents can not take pictures of there children without falling prey to these loonies. It's a sad reflection on the times we live in. :nope: I have just read something far crazier (http://www.pantagraph.com/articles/2006/12/12/wtf/doc457de3ed145e0488034828.txt). :nope:

Sad stupid world.
My god, he's like 4 and was just hugging his teacher!!

Thank god, that my sister-in-law lives in Montana with my brother where most of this crap hasn't infiltrated yet. She's a pre-kindergarten teacher and talks all the time how they like her so much and when she comes in they run to hug her. And when they get hurt she picks them up to comfort them. There's nothing wrong with that!
Thanks for the tip. Montana State Troopers are on their way.

Fool's 'em every time.

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'something far crazier' .. ended up reading all the comments on this but I think 'think' was just out to antagonise everybody. I liked the comments 'YadaYada' made. I thought it was only here in the UK that madness reigns; I stand corrected !

[STEED]

I thought it was only here in the UK that madness reigns; I stand corrected !

Plenty of PC Madness to come in 2007 along with other madness. :down: