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kiwi_2005
12-11-06, 06:54 PM
Some facts taken from the book "U-boat far from home" by David Stevens about the Type IXD2 U-862 voyage around Australia/New Zealand. Most your probably already know but its a first for me about the Bachstelze :o:)

IX U boats -Solitary Raiders
Being comparatively slow to dive and hard to manoeuvre, the Type IX was
unsuitable for convoy battles, but this was never intended to be its role. It
was instead to be a solitary raider, laying mines off foreign coasts or using
its high speed and endurnace to catch the fast,
independently routed merchant ships encountered in distant waters.

Donitz suggested the need for a boat that could apply 'strategic pressure in very remote territores'.
The development of a completely new U-boat
would have entailed significant delays and further stretched the building
yards, already overloaded with wartime production. Instead, it was decided
to enlarge the existing Type IXC. This solution would offer cost advantages
and have far less impact on the overall contruction schedule. The result
was the Type IXD2 Officially designated a U-Kreuzer (U-Cruiser),
the Type IXD2 U-boats were commonly known as UberseeKuhe (Super or oversea cows)
Twenty nine of this type were eventually commissioned.

The Bachstelze
IXD2 - came with the FockeAchgelis FA-330, more commonly known as
the Bachstelze (Water-wagtail). The Bachstelze was an unpowered,
single-seat autogyro. The Pilot sat on metal frame against an aluminium
mast on top of which were three cloth-covered blades, each about 3m long.
Before being launched, the machine first needed to be assembled on a small
platform abaft the storage containers. When ready the U-boat would head into
the wind until the relative velocity was suffient to turn the rotor
blades at between 130-360rpm. As the Bachstelze rose, a towing cable
would be pulled slowly from a third container beneath the launch platform.
Thus tethered, this precursor of the helicopter effectively gave the U-boat
a 100-150m viewing platform. The pilot was provided with a parachute
and passed messages to the tower on a telephone. Though it had potential
to extend the U-boats's from diving quickly and hence could only be used
in remote areas, where allied air patrols were unlikely.

The FuMB 26 Tunis was fixed on top of a wooden rod and attached to the
periscope standands or into the D/F loop. The Tunis provided
counterdetection at ranges between 50km-70km, but the aerial was not
watertight and had to be dismounted before diving. (Does SH3 have the FuMB 26 for the IXD2?)

It should be kept in mind that even after modification there was nothing
revolutionary about the Type IX U-boats. Developments between the wars
had provided improvments in fire control, torpedoes, communications,
diving depth and shock resistance, but the basic design remained
conventional. In most areas the Type IX was only slightly superior to
Germany's large ocean going U-boats of the previous war. Thus the boats
that Germany had in service in September 1939 were submersibles rather
than true submarines and could not complete with the rapid advances in
anti-submarine techniques that occurred during the course of the conflict.
By August 1943, with U-boats forced to spend longer and longer periods
submerged, all the pre-war types were recognised as obsolescent.

_Seth_
12-12-06, 02:46 AM
nice read, Kiwi!!!:up:

Myxale
12-12-06, 04:06 AM
Agree a good read. and so true! The IX is the best thing ever. It may be an ugly bastard but a fine boot!:hmm:

Jimbuna
12-12-06, 06:45 AM
Well posted Kiwi :yep:
The IX is not your usual 'pack animal'...she's definitely a 'lone wolf' :yep:
She aint ugly Myxale:nope: ...she's beautiful :yep: :D:up:

melnibonian
12-12-06, 06:46 AM
I enjoy the lone patrols and the vastness of the ocean. I don't change my beloved IXC for anything:cool:

von Zelda
12-12-06, 07:04 AM
IIRC from my reading, the Type IX's held most of the records for tonnage.

melnibonian
12-12-06, 07:05 AM
IIRC from my reading, the Type IX's held most of the records for tonnage.
Which is probably reasonable if you think that it carried twice the amount of torpedoes of VIIs. Great boat. Once I can afford it I finish the war with it (either way):yep: :yep:

Jimbuna
12-12-06, 09:37 AM
IIRC from my reading, the Type IX's held most of the records for tonnage.
Which is probably reasonable if you think that it carried twice the amount of torpedoes of VIIs. Great boat. Once I can afford it I finish the war with it (either way):yep: :yep:

Elementary my dear mel lol :D :up:

bigboywooly
12-12-06, 01:37 PM
Not so when you consider the amount of other boats built

Only 14 IXB ever commisioned and the most victorious class

A mere 568 VIIC commisioned :oops:

Check out U 107

http://uboat.net/boats/u107.htm

Near on 87000 tons in one patrol

Sailor Steve
12-12-06, 05:33 PM
Yeah, but he was playing on an easy level, and without any supermods.:rotfl:

stabiz
12-12-06, 05:37 PM
Dönitz and myself have a special thing for the VIIC, but I like the IX too.

plastik
12-12-06, 05:51 PM
@ kiwi_2005

nice read! always learning in this forum... ;)
makes me want to get a class ix...

kiwi_2005
12-12-06, 06:18 PM
The Kapitan of U-862 is that avatar in SH3 commander wearing the white suit Heinrich Timm who earned the knights Cross. When i get the IXD2 im choosing him as my avatar then will sail around AUS/NZ:):roll:

Nikolaus Heinrich Timm, U-862's first and only commander, remains something of an enigma. Few documents exist, and with the passing of the years the memories of the men who served under him have mellowed. Undeniably, Timm earned the undying loyalty and devotion of his crew, and those who survive still regard him as 'one of the best German U-boat commanders of the Second World War.

Jimbuna
12-13-06, 04:40 AM
@ kiwi_2005

nice read! always learning in this forum... ;)
makes me want to get a class ix...

Don't be shy...get one...travel the worlds oceans...see places...visit/raid ports...SINK EM ALL !! :arrgh!:

Konovalov
12-13-06, 05:46 AM
Excellent read. Of course I'm biased because I'm a Type IXb driver and I'm loving it. :rock:

hyperion2206
12-13-06, 10:37 AM
I agree: The IX are are fine boats with a lot of firepower, but they are ugly as well! I hate their rising bow!!!:down:

Jimbuna
12-13-06, 02:58 PM
Shame on you sir...they are truly graceful :arrgh!:

melnibonian
12-13-06, 03:00 PM
I agree: The IX are are fine boats with a lot of firepower, but they are ugly as well! I hate their rising bow!!!:down:
IXs are gorgeous. I can't see what is not to like about them;)

Hartmann
12-13-06, 04:06 PM
I love IX-B and C boats and their rising bow but is its speed and torpedo load that makes difference. with the correct tactics is a killer.

is very similar to U.S boats and i´m using big boats since SH1 and AOD . :up:

Dietrich
12-14-06, 04:41 AM
The result
was the Type IXD2 Officially designated a U-Kreuzer (U-Cruiser),
the Type IXD2 U-boats were commonly known as UberseeKuhe (Super or oversea cows)
Nice find, kiwi_2005

However, I would dispute the use of the term U-Kreuzer for the Type-IXD2.

According to http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unterseekreuzer , a U-Kreuzer was an historical U-Boat (up to the end of WWII) with a displacement of 2000+ tonnes. The IXD2 did not qualify (1600 surfaced, 1800 submerged).

According to http://uboat.net/types/projects.htm , the U-Kreuzer was the name given to the Type-XI. Four of these, U 112 - U 115 were planned, but never built.

I'd never heard of "Überseekuhe" before, and neither, does it seem, had the Internet either. Does anyone have any information about this?


Further references:


http://www.deutsches-museum-shop.com/buecher/schifffahrt/9783763762460

PS: Finally, and most curiously, while researching this, I came across a reference to a movie, titled: "U-Kreuzer. U-Deutschland. 105 Tage Kreuzerfahrt".

http://www.deutsches-filminstitut.de/filme/f035485.htm

kiwi_2005
12-14-06, 08:57 AM
The result
was the Type IXD2 Officially designated a U-Kreuzer (U-Cruiser),
the Type IXD2 U-boats were commonly known as UberseeKuhe (Super or oversea cows)
Nice find, kiwi_2005

However, I would dispute the use of the term U-Kreuzer for the Type-IXD2.

According to http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unterseekreuzer , a U-Kreuzer was an historical U-Boat (up to the end of WWII) with a displacement of 2000+ tonnes. The IXD2 did not qualify (1600 surfaced, 1800 submerged).

According to http://uboat.net/types/projects.htm , the U-Kreuzer was the name given to the Type-XI. Four of these, U 112 - U 115 were planned, but never built.

I'd never heard of "Überseekuhe" before, and neither, does it seem, had the Internet either. Does anyone have any information about this?


Further references:


http://www.deutsches-museum-shop.com/buecher/schifffahrt/9783763762460

PS: Finally, and most curiously, while researching this, I came across a reference to a movie, titled: "U-Kreuzer. U-Deutschland. 105 Tage Kreuzerfahrt".

http://www.deutsches-filminstitut.de/filme/f035485.htm
Can't really help you there, all i know is the author is a former naval officer who served for 20 yrs in the Royal Australian Navy. On retiring from the RAN in 1994 he was appointed director of Naval Historical Studies within the Department of Defense. (Navy) The Book Uboat Far From Home was dedicated to his Grandfather William Crawford a survivor of SS City of Simla sunk by U 138 on 21 Sept 1940. He did a lot of research on Uboats & interviewed surviving crew members of U-862.
BTW Nice shot of your sig!:up:

Dietrich
12-15-06, 04:02 AM
Given your research, Kiwi_2005, you'll not need any tips for things to read, but for the others, you may want to look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ships_sunk_by_Axis_warships_in_Australian_ waters


I must admit that I'm always impressed that U862 sank a ship somewhere between Australia and NZ.


PS: Thanks for the sig compliment.

JScones
12-15-06, 04:25 AM
When i get the IXD2 im choosing him as my avatar then will sail around AUS/NZ
I know this may be considered spamming, so I apologise in advance.

If you plan on playing GWX, and you happen to be in "the right place at the right time", you will actually get to witness the RAN, RN and RAAFs response to U-862's sinking of Robert J Walker. In other words, 8 RAN Bathurst Class Minesweepers (4 from Freo and 4 from Sydney), 4 RN Q Class Destroyers and 1 King George V Battleship (from Colombo via Freo then Melbourne) and a number of aircraft all looking for U-862 off Victoria/Sthn NSW.

Suffice to say, not successful. ;)

hyperion2206
12-15-06, 05:44 AM
Shame on you sir...they are truly graceful :arrgh!:

Graceful???:rotfl:Their bow is ugly as hell and if you see them from above they don't look like mean wolves, they look like some lazy manatees!:lol:

melnibonian
12-15-06, 05:47 AM
Shame on you sir...they are truly graceful :arrgh!:

Graceful???:rotfl:Their bow is ugly as hell and if you see them from above they don't look like mean wolves, they look like some lazy manatees!:lol:
Beauty is in the eye of the Beholder my friend;)

But I do believe that IXs are not beautiful they are Gorgeous:D :D

U-104
12-15-06, 02:03 PM
IX boats:rock::rock::rock::rock::arrgh!:

Grell
12-15-06, 02:25 PM
I like IX's myself, very gracefull.

Regards,

Grell

Jimbuna
12-15-06, 05:19 PM
I actually married one :arrgh!:

kiwi_2005
12-17-06, 11:46 PM
When i get the IXD2 im choosing him as my avatar then will sail around AUS/NZ I know this may be considered spamming, so I apologise in advance.

If you plan on playing GWX, and you happen to be in "the right place at the right time", you will actually get to witness the RAN, RN and RAAFs response to U-862's sinking of Robert J Walker. In other words, 8 RAN Bathurst Class Minesweepers (4 from Freo and 4 from Sydney), 4 RN Q Class Destroyers and 1 King George V Battleship (from Colombo via Freo then Melbourne) and a number of aircraft all looking for U-862 off Victoria/Sthn NSW.

Suffice to say, not successful. ;)

:o Wow now thats going to be good!:yep:

kiwi_2005
12-17-06, 11:59 PM
Shame on you sir...they are truly graceful :arrgh!:
Graceful???:rotfl:Their bow is ugly as hell and if you see them from above they don't look like mean wolves, they look like some lazy manatees!:lol:

They are lone wolves, that roam the seas without a need for wolve packs. They're like snipers find their target get in a good position and take him out. ;)