WW3?

[STEED]

OK, I know a bit of a dramatic title.

Right to the issue in question, if us Brits and Americans pull out of Afghanistan and Iraq out right this would be the sign for a global war as the muslims will rise up though out the world. The reason for this, we have shown we are weak and there time has come.

I would like to point out this is not my point of view, this point was raised on a radio discussion. Dose anyone here think this could happen?

[CCIP]

Muslims are rising up alright. So far against each other more so than anyone else, just look at Iraq.

I would say the War on Terror is global enough, if we go to that.

I see it as another Cold War with the accompanying paranoia. In part thanks to some of the more extreme views expressed on this forum, I had a moment a few months ago where I lost all faith in the idea of this East vs. West thing as anything but another onset of dehumanizing paranoia. I'm back safely in the camp where I'm as opposed to right-wing Western paranoia as I am to Left-Wing hippieretardedness as I am to Islamic cartoonophobia. Not going back until someone gives me an argument which isn't fundamentally medieval (or worse) in its ethical basis and/or implication.

Counting posts to the next Jihadwatch reference already :88)

[The Avon Lady]

I would say the War on Terror
Stop saying that (http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/014358.php). :roll:

"“how the English speaking peoples through their unwisdom, carelessness and good nature allowed the wicked to rearm.”
- Winston Churchill, title page, The Gathering Storm

[Cpt. Stewker]

If I'm not mistaken I believe it was I that instigated that discussion. Obviously I think it is a very good possibilty especially with the mentality the people have over there. It would be a very different kind of war though. It would not be your typical army vs army conflict, which in this day and age would be stupid, it will be this guerilla and terroism BS. And I believe WW3, at this point, would be for the majority consist of what people call terrorism. The worst kind of war, not being able to see friend from foe, until it is to late and the guy is running into the restaurant with bombs strapped to his chest.

Which actually is the reason why some believe we are in or at least in the beginning days of world war 3 already. The world vs radical Islamics (the new Nazis of our day: death to none believers, death to Jews). The Coalition pulling out of Iraq and Afganistan before we can secure peace in those areas would only be seen as weakness by our enemies and would act as a catalyst. Not only for those countries involved but the entire civilized western world. And please see that I wrote "radical" when I mentioned Islamics, I do believe that Islam actually is an alright religion, but in the wrong hands though it can be twisted, as it has.

[Kapitan_Phillips]

This is probably going to rile up a fair few people, but its my opinion that they're just poking us until we lash out. :shifty:

[The Avon Lady]

This is probably going to rile up a fair few people, but its my opinion that they're just poking us until we lash out. :shifty:
Who would that "rile" and why do you think they're poking?

[Kapitan_Phillips]

Hippies, and because they seem to find little somethings to complain about all the time ;)

[The Avon Lady]

Hippies
Photoshoot from the crashing of terrorist lawyer Lynn Stewart's 'gloat party' (http://s97.photobucket.com/albums/l217/suzannyc/Wall%20Rally/Lynn%20Stewart%20Gloat%20Party/?action=view&slideshow=true).

Heh. :D

[Sailor Steve]

I would say the War on Terror
Stop saying that (http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/014358.php). :roll:

"“how the English speaking peoples through their unwisdom, carelessness and good nature allowed the wicked to rearm.”
- Winston Churchill, title page, The Gathering Storm
:rotfl:

Way back when President Johnson first announced the "War On Poverty", a cartoon appeared showing two bums talking on the street: "I don't know about you, but I'm fighting back!"

[Tchocky]

World War Three? I don't think so.

Would pulling out of Iraq and Afghanistan really cause radical Islam to rise up more so than iit has already? Seems to me that it's the "Western" presence in those places that's doing it at the moment.

[Safe-Keeper]

Right to the issue in question, if us Brits and Americans pull out of Afghanistan and Iraq out right this would be the sign for a global war as the muslims will rise up though out the world. The reason for this, we have shown we are weak and there time has come.Right. Radical Islam's a global threat that can only be stopped through the combined efforts of all people on Earth, and requires the curbing of as many civil liberties as possible in the name of victory.

You have to realize why your enemy is fighting. You make it sound like all these radicals are battling just because they're evil and hate your guts. Breaking it down, though:

Palestinian Intifada: Fighting for a free Palestinian State, devoid of Israeli apartheid and other forms of oppression.
Chechen Rebels: Fighting for a free State.
Kurdish Mountain Guerillas: Fighting for a free Kurdish State.

And so on and so forth.

Sure, if you're ignorant as to their objectives, it might seem as if they're all out to get you, convert you to Islam, and impose Sharia law. Especially if that's what your politicians of choice want you to believe. If you look a little closer, though, you'll see that very few of them are up to any such thing. Common to all of them is that they use religious doctrine to get followers and that they're not afraid of hurting innocents, but that's pretty much it.

Sure, there are fanatics who want Islam to take over the rest of the world. There are fanatics like this in all ideologies. If you have an ideal that you believe good enough, of course you'd like the entire world to have it. It's only natural. It's like we love democracy and freedome and thus would love it if the entire world was democratic and free. To turn that into an actually existing conquest, however, is a non-sequitur.

It'd be rather like a German in World War II saying, "are you nuts, we can't pull out of Europe. See, there are all these partisans fighting there, just look at the heavy water sabotage in Norway, the railroad bombings in France, the submarine sabotage in our ports! If we pull out of Norway now, the MILORG (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milorg) terrorists there will be free to attack the rest of the world and force their culture of porridge-eating, fjord-worshipping, and Jante law onto the rest of us! The German-led War on Terror must not be lost due to liberals' petty cowardice!" - when in reality the partisans are only fighting to rid their lands of German rule.

I'm not defending the killing of civilians. At all. But to say they're a threat to the whole world is a huge overstatement. As a side note, I'm not saying Israel or the US are as bad as Hitler either. It's just that being from Norway, the German occupation was the first one that came to mind (however, of course I could just as well use, say, British colonialism, Japanese imperialism, or one of thousands of other examples).

I would like to point out this is not my point of view, this point was raised on a radio discussion. Dose anyone here think this could happen?No.

"“how the English speaking peoples through their unwisdom, carelessness and good nature allowed the wicked to rearm.”
- Winston Churchill, title page, The Gathering StormAre you guys still not tired of comparing this to the Appeasement?

I see it as another Cold War with the accompanying paranoia.It's exactly the same thing - McCarthyism all over again, only with terrorists instead of commies. Not that it can only be attributed to the Cold War. Scare tactics and accompanying overrating of the enemy to further said tactics have also been implemented in the fight against global warming, the witch hunts, and a million other causes justified and unjustified.

As a side note, this fear of doing the right thing due to the perception that it'll lead the enemy to think you're weak and ripe for attack is ludicrous. It's akin to a heavily polluting factory facing a horde of environmentalist demonstrators outside of his factory
- and the CEO deciding to pollute more, lest the evil demonstrators will consider them weak and demonstrate even more. "Irrational" is to weak a word.

[AG124]

If there was a Third World War along the lines described in this thread, do you think the West would have serious 5th column concerns?:-? Not trying to be paranoid or xenophobic - I know there were unreasonable 5th column concerns in WW2 in the US and Canada.:o Just asking.

[August]

A couple of things:

Palestinian Intifada: Fighting for a free Palestinian State, devoid of Israeli apartheid and other forms of oppression.
Yeah like the freedom to drive the Jews into the sea as they have said many times.

Kurdish Mountain Guerillas: Fighting for a free Kurdish State.

Unless of course you want the freedom to change your religion to Christianity or your wife doesn't want to walk around covered in a sack from head to toe and act like a sub species of human, in which case you'd both be executed in some horrible manner.

- when in reality the partisans are only fighting to rid their lands of German rule.
I'm sure that if the Germans had just walked away the partisans wouldn't have just gone back to their farms and businesses. Certainly the Allies would have immediately put up air bases and station an army or two in Norway in preparation for opening a northern front...

I'm not defending the killing of civilians. At all. But to say they're a threat to the whole world is a huge overstatement.
People said the same about the Bavarian Corporal with the funny mustache. You may not like the analogy but the fact of the matter is that's exactly what many of them did and we all know what happened.

I see it as another Cold War with the accompanying paranoia.It's exactly the same thing - McCarthyism all over again, only with terrorists instead of commies. Not that it can only be attributed to the Cold War. Scare tactics and accompanying overrating of the enemy to further said tactics have also been implemented in the fight against global warming, the witch hunts, and a million other causes justified and unjustified.[/quote]

Except as we found out once they opened up the KGB files, that the Soviets weren't exactly the peace loving carebears the other side made them out to be either. Alger Hiss was a soviet spy. They did steal our nuclear technology. They did run a networks of spies, assassins and saboteurs (and apparently still do) throughout the world and they were bent on world domination.

As a side note, this fear of doing the right thing due to the perception that it'll lead the enemy to think you're weak and ripe for attack is ludicrous.
What exactly is the right thing do you think? Should we Americans pull all of our army and navy back to our home territory, fortify our borders, severely restrict immigration, eliminate foreign aid and leave the Europeans and Israelis to deal with the Muslims?

Because that's one way to give you what you want and still preserve for ourselves some degree of defensibility.

[geetrue]

Right to the issue in question, if us Brits and Americans pull out of Afghanistan and Iraq out right this would be the sign for a global war as the muslims will rise up though out the world. The reason for this, we have shown we are weak and there time has come.

What does rise up mean? Don't tell me your talking about from within. I don't even want to hear that.

I know what weak means, but just my state (California) alone could defeat the muslims with a little help just from the US Navy, US Marines, US Army and the US Airforce that are stationed here.

Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Saudi Araba all combined only have three items they don't have to import ... Men, oil and drugs :lol:

[SUBMAN1]

OK, I know a bit of a dramatic title.

Right to the issue in question, if us Brits and Americans pull out of Afghanistan and Iraq out right this would be the sign for a global war as the muslims will rise up though out the world. The reason for this, we have shown we are weak and there time has come.

I would like to point out this is not my point of view, this point was raised on a radio discussion. Dose anyone here think this could happen?

Steed - not saying that the radical muslims don't need to be crushed, but as a world power, they are a thorn in the side that might not even be noticed if people paid attention. You probably can't get rid of them all, but they are not the big worry to any state other than Isreal.

Start looking many miles away to a growing power called China. China is guaranteed to tick someone off at some point to the degree of a switch getting flipped. I haven't figured out if nuke war will happen between the US and China, or between Russia and China, or maybe even between Russia and the US in which China will launch against Russia and the US at the same time, but still, it probably doesn't matter in the end. We all die, or probably half the world population within days or weeks of the catastrophy. Things are very unstable between these three nations at this very monent. Not to the degree of the Cuban missile crisis, but more so that any country lets on. If you talk to anyone of them, they will tell you how everything is fine, but that is so far from the truth.

China writes articles that are state sponsered about how the US can be defeated and is doing everything to undermind the US economically at the same time trying to grow itself.

Russia is constantly looking to gain against the US in some form or fashion and will crush anyone who gets in its way regardless of morals.

The US is constantly trying to hang on to its leadership regardless if that means walking on someone else's toes.

Don't think for a second China and Russia are friends either - it's all political showmanship.

What you have here is a triangle of nuke laden countries that will do whatever it is neccesary to be the top dog between them.

North Korea means nothing.

Iran means nothing.

Al Queda = who is that? Forgot they were even there. These guys just focus your energy away from what really matters.

All I can say, learn how to clean a firearm because your day is coming, if you survive the initial strike. It won't be tomorrow. It will probably be within 10 years, especially if the US develops some form of all world dominance technology in that 10 years - ie. nanotechonoly. If that happens, the end of half the world will happen since it undermines every other nation that does not align with the US.

Just my thoughts on the subject.

-S

PS. Nanotechnology is not far off for the US. Mark my words.

[TteFAboB]

Although you're about 553 years late STEED, the pretext will always be given. Leave, stay, do or don't. Two opposed or even contradictory allegations will be used consecutively in a matter of months, weeks, days or even simultaneously. Muslims have found reasons to call for your destruction before you were even born.

Global terrorism has been on the offensive for almost a decade now, it has existed before and even back in a more distant past and will continue to exist and attack as long as the necessary conditions to plan, set up and carry out a terror attack are found, the most important being the collaboration and support of apprently legitimate and unsuspecting agents.

It is true that Ahmadinejad believes the time has come and is willing to sacrifice himself and Iran for martyrdom. But if he's wrong then there should be no further consequences, other than a short period of death and destruction.

The question lies indeed with the 5th column. I don't see a Muslim rise in Europe, USA and etc. unless this is indeed the end of times. The Muslims are the minority and only the younger would look forward to sacrifice as their chances of achieving anything is truly minimal. In the US in special a Muslim uprising would be met by armed civilian resistance. But the best example is France as that is the country of the most rebellious Muslim gangs. If there isn't treason in the Army itself, these violent Muslim gangs can be easily suppressed due to the infrastructure of where they live. Even though I don't think this is the end of times I cannot personally challenge Ahmadinejad nor can he contest me so only time will tell if this is the time for the Muslim Armageddon or not. If it isn't then there'll be no large-scale Muslim uprising. If anything, it would be the minority of the minority rising for their death. What could be of use are agents infiltrated in the intelligence services, army, police, etc. But no Armageddon, no revolution.

Radical Islam's a global threat that can only be stopped through the combined efforts of all people on Earth, and requires the curbing of as many civil liberties as possible in the name of victory.

[...]You make it sound like all these radicals are battling just because they're evil and hate your guts

Really? That's exactly what an Islamist would preach though, that all the other people on Earth are the enemy. But do you know if that is the opinion or desire expressed in STEED's radio show? You listen to it too? Hey STEED, did anyone on the radio called for the curbing of as many civil liberties as possible or would that be the consequence of anything that was asked for or suggested?

Palestinian Intifada: Fighting for a free Palestinian State, devoid of Israeli apartheid and other forms of oppression.


Oh yes, now that is a state free of oppression and full of civil liberties. Apartheid? Not at all, afterall women are permitted and welcome to blast themselves up just like the men.

Sure, if you're ignorant as to their objectives, it might seem as if they're all out to get you, convert you to Islam, and impose Sharia law. Especially if that's what your politicians of choice want you to believe. If you look a little closer, though, you'll see that very few of them are up to any such thing. Common to all of them is that they use religious doctrine to get followers and that they're not afraid of hurting innocents, but that's pretty much it.

That is pretty much it indeed. What holds Islam together outside Sharia states is the 5 prayers a day. But in any war very few soldiers actually get to do the fighting. Most people are back in logistics, working at the factories, raising the morale or planning the strategy in secret.

Sure, there are fanatics who want Islam to take over the rest of the world. There are fanatics like this in all ideologies. If you have an ideal that you believe good enough, of course you'd like the entire world to have it. It's only natural. It's like we love democracy and freedome and thus would love it if the entire world was democratic and free. To turn that into an actually existing conquest, however, is a non-sequitur.

An Islamic ideology needs to base itself on Islam as a religion. A religion is much different from an ideology. It is not the belief in an ideal that imputes in a Muslim the desire to expand the Sharia state but the knowledge that that is the will of Allah. "All" ideologies are different from Islam because Islam is the construction of a religious state based on the verb of Allah. It is not natural, but super-natural. And it was turned into a conquest afterall. The history of the expansion of Islam is that of military conquest and subjugation. A democrat or free spirit doesn't turn his ideals into a conquest because such a thing is in direct contradiction with his beliefs. Muslims can believe in anything they want, that convertion by the sword is correct, that it isn't, who is going to settle this issue? Who can give a definite answer? The Ummah. When was the last time the Ummah gathered and sat down to discuss and settle anything? Never. So when a Muslim says that Sharia must be expanded and forced into Europe he is correct, when another Muslim says that only if Europeans are converted first, he's also correct, and when a third Muslim who barely cares about the subject says live and let live he is also correct. With what authority can any one question the other? The only figure of authority is the nearest or closest Imam or Mufti and even then they can be questioned as long as Islamic moral is not touched.

It'd be rather like a German in World War II saying, "are you nuts, we can't pull out of Europe. See, there are all these partisans fighting there, just look at the heavy water sabotage in Norway, the railroad bombings in France, the submarine sabotage in our ports! If we pull out of Norway now, the MILORG (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milorg) terrorists there will be free to attack the rest of the world and force their culture of porridge-eating, fjord-worshipping, and Jante law onto the rest of us! The German-led War on Terror must not be lost due to liberals' petty cowardice!" - when in reality the partisans are only fighting to rid their lands of German rule.

The Germans conquered Europe leaving a legacy of terror and totalitarianism everywhere they passed. The Norwegian, French and whoever sabotaged "our" ports never stated or had as a goal the expansion of their culture and law to the rest of the world or even to Germany. They wanted whatever level of freedom and democracy they had before back. It was the Germans who imposed their Nazi culture and law upon the other people, destroying their legal systems and subverting their institutions. Germans never led a war on terror either, they spreaded it from Spain to Russia. In reality the Norwegians and French never built extermination camps where all opposition and ethnical and religious minorities such as the Jews were massacrated like cattle.

Also, this terrorism is different from Islamic terrorist. It was justified as the last resort to regain freedom and democracy as you've said it yourself. All Muslim terrorists aim for the destruction of freedom and democracy in the location of their attack. It is also important to note that in the case of Nazism this ideology was present in France and Norway and the Germans found their share of collaborators to sustain the Nazi foreign governments. Al-Qaeda or any terrorist cell also have collaborators around the globe but an Islamist ideology and the support for it is far from being large enough to sustain an Islamic government in Norway or France for example. This point is to remember that the Nazist ideology has nothing to do with the German nationality just like Islamic terrorism is not particulary Saudi or Syrian or Pakistani or anything else, neither depends on nationality.

As a side note, I'm not saying Israel or the US are as bad as Hitler either. It's just that being from Norway, the German occupation was the first one that came to mind (however, of course I could just as well use, say, British colonialism, Japanese imperialism, or one of thousands of other examples).


Of course not because that would be a lie. It would minimize German terror tremendously and be a disservice to everybody involved in the battle against Hitler. It is understandable for the nationality to become a first reference. That is the case with Islam, your first reference is that of being a Muslim.


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I see it as another Cold War with the accompanying paranoia.
It's exactly the same thing - McCarthyism all over again, only with terrorists instead of commies. Not that it can only be attributed to the Cold War. Scare tactics and accompanying overrating of the enemy to further said tactics have also been implemented in the fight against global warming, the witch hunts, and a million other causes justified and unjustified.

Islamists, terrorists or Muslims never had one of the greatest nuclear arsenals on Earth, nor the greatest Army on earth, nor a navy or an airforce as powerful as the Soviet nor did they ever built Gulags or murdered 30 million of their own. Most of the Muslim world is not even totalitarian but dictatorial and the mistrust of the Sunni nations towards Iran creates a situation quite different from the centralized union of the soviet union. More, except for one all other individuals accused by McCarthy were proven guilty of having connections with the KGB. Or should we start releasing and granting amnesty to the terrorists arrested in the US, Europe and etc.?

As a side note, this fear of doing the right thing due to the perception that it'll lead the enemy to think you're weak and ripe for attack is ludicrous. It's akin to a heavily polluting factory facing a horde of environmentalist demonstrators outside of his factory
- and the CEO deciding to pollute more, lest the evil demonstrators will consider them weak and demonstrate even more. "Irrational" is to weak a word.

Does the CEO and the demonstrators are subject and obey the same laws? Are they inside the same country? Do they seek the extermination of one another? And in what does the power of the CEO lies, be it weak or strong? Does the demonstrators have a record of videotaped beheadings?

[HunterICX]

''The Greed of World leaders will kill the ones who just want to live their lives''

this hasnt change from the day we where here on earth. The greed for power has always been a sin of humanity that we cant cure.

nuff said.

[STEED]

Only one other caller called in on the radio station along the lines of the caller I have mention. This caller said he was an expert on all things muslim and so on, he agreed with the other caller if the west pulls out of Iraq and Afghanistan this is the sign showing the muslims we have lost.

We have become weak and this is the sign the muslims have been waiting for as they rise up in the far east, they will order western muslims to rise up. Result a global war in every country and they believe they will win this war!

Other callers were making more general remarks.

I’m not to sure if this will happen because in my book it’s a big what if situation and I’m not really convinced by these two callers.

[mapuc]

Discussion is a good thing for the democracy, but yes steed is somehow right.

Iran, Iraq and Syria will "melt" together and this country together with to former Soviet satellite countries, will make the westen world tremble.

Markus

[The Avon Lady]

I’m not to sure if this will happen because in my book it’s a big what if situation and I’m not really convinced by these two callers.
Ask Tony (http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/014378.php). :yep:

[STEED]

The whole country has had it with Tony Blair's madness and lies and sooner he goes the better.

[The Avon Lady]

The whole country has had it with Tony Blair's madness and lies and sooner he goes the better.
But it's not just Tony.

And it's not just Labour.

:nope:

[geetrue]

Hey, old man ... I thought you were tired and busy doing homework ...
no wonder you can't get anything done, but I like the way you think ...
Well, not everything of course. :D

Whoops! I got you mixed up with safe-keeper.

I didn't know there were two old man's with the same avatar ... Your personal info reads N/A
Does that spell CIA? You sure know a lot about the enemy, though.


The question lies indeed with the 5th column. I don't see a Muslim rise in Europe, USA and etc. unless this is indeed the end of times. The Muslims are the minority and only the younger would look forward to sacrifice as their chances of achieving anything is truly minimal. In the US in special a Muslim uprising would be met by armed civilian resistance. But the best example is France as that is the country of the most rebellious Muslim gangs. If there isn't treason in the Army itself, these violent Muslim gangs can be easily suppressed due to the infrastructure of where they live. Even though I don't think this is the end of times I cannot personally challenge Ahmadinejad nor can he contest me so only time will tell if this is the time for the Muslim Armageddon or not. If it isn't then there'll be no large-scale Muslim uprising. If anything, it would be the minority of the minority rising for their death. What could be of use are agents infiltrated in the intelligence services, army, police, etc. But no Armageddon, no revolution.

I highlighted the red part, because France is the best example of what the Muslims are trying to do ...

They are taking over France ... Any French highschool senior could do a computer generated analysis of
what is going to happen to a country giving birth to muslim extremist ...
Required by law to hire and not fire ...
The baby boom among muslims will swallow the French and leave the culture intact.

Muslims already look like the French, act like the French,
make love like the French and have already become the police chiefs,
the major's and soccer stars of France.

I'm starting to think that the only reason we (the US) saved France is because it was between us and Germany.

Don't think I hate France ... Lordy me what would we do without them ...
I love their food, Bridget, Binki's, coastline's, hemlines and
Dufour Sailboats are my favorite.

I just feel sorry for people that can't hate what is evil and cling to what is good.

[tycho102]

Right to the issue in question, if us Brits and Americans pull out of Afghanistan and Iraq out right this would be the sign for a global war as the muslims will rise up though out the world.

The reason for this, we have shown we are weak and there time has come.

No.

If they form a CALIPHATE, then they will "rise up throughout the world because we have shown weakness". And al-queida knows it. That is their goal, and that is the goal set by Osama, because only together can they stand against other regions which have collected their resources.

That is their wonderful, fractured, ambitious, barbaric world. You can count on the ambition of every imam to be the gang leader and depose the previous ruler by force. Just like a Chicago or Sicilian gang.

GWB de-stabilized the region, and it is beginning to look like a damn fine call. What we need to do is get the heck out and let islam take care of itself a bit. Let the Saudi channel some of that money to protect their own feudal structure, rather than funneling it to the surviving families of Palestinian suicide bombers.

As an ancillary reward, it may finally break America from arab oil. Indeed, from crude oil entirely.

[Kapitan_Phillips]

I highlighted the red part, because France is the best example of what the Muslims are trying to do ...

They are taking over France ... Any French highschool senior could do a computer generated analysis of
what is going to happen to a country giving birth to muslim extremist ...
Required by law to hire and not fire ...
The baby boom among muslims will swallow the French and leave the culture intact.

Muslims already look like the French, act like the French,
make love like the French and have already become the police chiefs,
the major's and soccer stars of France.

I'm starting to think that the only reason we (the US) saved France is because it was between us and Germany.

Don't think I hate France ... Lordy me what would we do without them ...
I love their food, Bridget, Binki's, coastline's, hemlines and
Dufour Sailboats are my favorite.

I just feel sorry for people that can't hate what is evil and cling to what is good.



I totally agree with this. To some extent, its happening here aswell. I dont think its quite as bad as some say (Islamification and all that jazz), but it is getting out of hand. In my opinion, this country (the UK) has lost all of its ability to be assertive with other cultures, for fear of a rebellion or losing face. Thus, we're letting other cultures slowly engulf our own, sacrificing traditions to keep migrants happy. Gets kind of depressing after a while. We used to have an empire, you know!

[STEED]

We used to have an empire, you know!

Will still got it, hang on just checking..........









Falkland's and Gibraltar and ????? :damn:

[Iceman]

What you have here is a triangle of nuke laden countries that will do whatever it is neccesary to be the top dog between them.

North Korea means nothing.

Iran means nothing.

Al Queda = who is that? Forgot they were even there. These guys just focus your energy away from what really matters.

All I can say, learn how to clean a firearm because your day is coming, if you survive the initial strike. It won't be tomorrow. It will probably be within 10 years, especially if the US develops some form of all world dominance technology in that 10 years - ie. nanotechonoly. If that happens, the end of half the world will happen since it undermines every other nation that does not align with the US.

Just my thoughts on the subject.

-S

PS. Nanotechnology is not far off for the US. Mark my words.

Now your learning boy O ... 6 6 6 :up:

Mark 13
[20] And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

Thank God...for the way out.
Jesus Christ

[Tronics]

Any fears about a grand unification of muslim countries against the western world is highly unlikley.

The future aplications of nanotech will determine if it is to become the greatest weapon since the bomb or the next penicillin.

With nanotechnology you have a tool that will somewhat effectively phase out the modern concept of special forces operations entirely, (itself being a byproduct of WWI). Small machines with the potential capability to modify human cells. Who needs bullets when you can unleash hordes of viral building nanomachines upon your neighbor and rather unsuspectingly eradicate entire urban populations in mere days.

Of course that is given you have nanomachines that can adapt to the job of replicating themselves enough times to create the manpower for genetically 'tweaking' a city out of existence.

Reminds me of this far fetched article I came across years ago about Israel trying to build some sort of anti-arab chemical weapon, that would somehow use some psuedo-science chicanery to only kill arabs, as if there is some 'magic' genetic marker that seperates an arab from an israeli.....


Well anyways with nanomachines you could very well do this, given you eiher program them to kill everything in zone X between times Y and Z, or just implant 'your guys' in 'your bases' (for lack of a better term) with some sort of RFID chip that flags them as being 'out of bounds' for the nanomachines.

[The Avon Lady]

Reminds me of this far fetched article I came across years ago about Israel trying to build some sort of anti-arab chemical weapon, that would somehow use some psuedo-science chicanery to only kill arabs, as if there is some 'magic' genetic marker that seperates an arab from an israeli.....
Welcome to the wonderful world of Zionist schemes (http://www.israellycool.com/blog/_archives/2005/8/1/1097192.html)! :88)

[ASWnut101]

We used to have an empire, you know!

Will still got it, hang on just checking..........









Falkland's and Gibraltar and ????? :damn:

The British Virgin Islands!:up: :D

[Cpt. Stewker]

Reminds me of this far fetched article I came across years ago about Israel trying to build some sort of anti-arab chemical weapon, that would somehow use some psuedo-science chicanery to only kill arabs, as if there is some 'magic' genetic marker that seperates an arab from an israeli..... Welcome to the wonderful world of Zionist schemes (http://www.israellycool.com/blog/_archives/2005/8/1/1097192.html)! :88)

OT:Thanks for that link Avon. It led me to The Jerusalem Post website. Found a lot of good articles there. :up: